The Clintons are still latently racist

[Prism]

I was reading an article on Politico about Julian Castro's VP prospects in a potential Clinton general election campaign.

And then this shit turns up:

At home, Julián Castro’s been spending more time reading and watching television in Spanish, trying to get his speaking skills up to speed.

. . .

Along the way, Castro’s inner circle of aides and advisers have come to see Clinton’s running mate decision as a pretty simple math problem: it’ll be a white man, a black man or a brown man, they figure.

And then they run it down from there: the white man’s Sen. Tim Kaine, and though he’s got a lot of good government experience and the geography that could help with Ohio and Pennsylvania on top of his own Virginia, they say that at 58 he’d be too old to provide a generational contrast to the 68-year old Clinton, and too white for a campaign being defined by immigration reform and Black Lives Matter and Donald Trump’s attacks on minorities. Yes, Kaine speaks Spanish—and fluently, from his days as a missionary in Honduras, as opposed to Castro, who like so many first-generation Americans, had parents who only spoke English with him—but they don’t think it’ll go over too well for Clinton to try explaining to Latinos that at least the white guy she picked over a Latino speaks their language.

Don't you see? All Latinos speak Spanish! You can't possible be a real Latino if you don't speak Spanish. Learn Spanish to trick people into thinking you're part of them!

This is just so weirdly offensive. I have a lot of Latino family members. Not least among them, my sister-in-law, who is a Mexican immigrant. She aced ESL and speaks perfect English, but then came the question of my niece and nephew. She tried to teach them Spanish. They won't have it. All their friends speak English. So, they speak English and don't pick up on Spanish at all.

I do speak Spanish and have the best of times when her family comes to visit (they don't speak a lick of English, and they always bring the best tequila. Wonderful people). But this idea that you're not really Latino unless you speak Spanish. Bullshit.

My niece and nephew are Latino. They look Latino. Everyone in this country with a racial bias will treat them as if they are Latino. Their lack of Spanish doesn't affect that in the slightest.

The idea, "Uhm, could you crack open a Rosetta Stone to pretend to be more Latino?"

Jesus effing Christ. So offensive.

And a nice keyhole into how Clintons think about race and racial experience.

(and for people saying, "Well, Clinton isn't making him do it!" Read the article, and the implications)

[nashville_brook]

1. it's the commodification of identity that i find offensive.

i'm not sure if there's a difference btwn that and any kind of racism...but it makes me ill. it's cynical.


plus, it's lazy politics.

[Prism]

3. It's so damn cynical

"Well, you only work if you can Latino it up a bit more."

Aaaagggghhhh.

[ucrdem]

4. How on earth does this make Clinton a racist

[Prism]

7. A latino candidate is only valuable if he speaks Spanish

Pretty straight forward.

[ucrdem]

10. Where does the excerpt attribute this sentiment to either Clinton?

And where's the link?

[Prism]

12. Did you read the story?

Of course, no one ever outright says anything, but there's the heavy subtextual understanding. If he is to be Latino, he must learn Spanish.

And that, of course, begs the question. If this is important, why doesn't Hillary learn Spanish?

[ucrdem]

15. Fine, prove it. Provide the statement.

Or your "heavy subtextual understanding" is nothing but projection.

[Prism]

19. Subtext!

It's this thing in language where . . .

Hmm.

I don't think you know what this is. (Or you're pretending not to).

Watching movies must be fun for you.

[ucrdem]

22. In other words you made it up.

[Prism]

25. Again, read the article. I'm not your English professor

Do I honestly have to sit down and explain to you context, subtext, and how to interpret what is being said and implied in language?

Because, you know, this was 12th grade English class. Actually, I think we covered this earlier.

[ucrdem]

44. I read it. Your OP is dishonest and you should self-delete it. nt

[synergie]

53. Since the article doesn't say what you state that it does without your own

projection of context, subtext and racism based on your failure to read or comprehend text.

Let's be honest here, this isn't that sophisticated and were this a 4th grade English class you'd be failing pretty hard because you don't seem to understand who is speaking here in your rush to proclaim racism that seems to be your own and no one else's.

[Prism]

57. No, you don't win

And I have this awesome stuffed kangaroo waving an Aussie flag given to me by a friend from Melbourne.

You missed the context ring toss. Sorry.

[synergie]

62. And you failed the reading comprehension test, but way to fly the racist smear flag.

Cuddle that kangaroo in celebration for either your deliberate dishonesty or to console yourself about your poor reading skills. The text itself proves that your insinuations are simply not based in reality.

[Prism]

63. Ask the obvious question

Why, after 41 years and a political career of being just fine with English, is Julian Castro suddenly watching telenovelas to learn Spanish?

[synergie]

67. Why do you need to ask any questions at all when you pasted the answer?

It's in the text you ignored as you made up subtext that betrayed your own bigotry. Try reading all the words in order for comprehension, you're not doing yourself any favors by digging in stubbornly rather than reading what you pasted to see if you might have missed something. You missed a lot.

[Prism]

70. Subtext

When a submissive and a dom love each other very much . . .

Wait, that's not right.

But it makes for a lot of videos for some reason.

[George II]

123. Well, since you failed to provide the link to the "article" there's no weigh to judge the context.

[okasha]

79. +10.

San Antonians (minority_majority city) seem to have found Julian and Joaquin both "Latino enough."

Why some white guy has a problem over it--very strange.

[riversedge]

98. Posting vile foolishness makes YOU look foolish.

[synergie]

47. Before you go for the subtext, perhaps you could start with comprehending the text?

They people who were making those calculations you bolded but apparently did not read were CASTRO's advisers, not anyone related to the Clintons or their campaign. You seem to be expressing your own rather blatant racism here, which begs the question, why didn't you bother to learn reading English before you got into the 'subtext' that seems to be your own heavy dose of racism and Clinton hate?

[ucrdem]

51. Thread win.

[Prism]

77. Nah, you've misfired

Here's not racism:

Latinos who don't know Spanish are ok, and their lack of knowledge of Spanish doesn't diminish their Latino heritage.

Here's racism.

Latinos are only authentic if they know Spanish.

That's actually super simple. Do you no comprende?

[riversedge]

101. You are making up crap again. Shame on YOU!

[uponit7771]

116. +1

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Castro needs to learn Spanderish.

[Prism]

23. Yo soy you!

*facepalms*

I cannot wait for this hot mess.

[merrily]

29. His abuela will teach him.

[Mufaddal]

59. Ouch. Well played. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. LOL!

I can see his breakout speech... "Hello Las Vegas! Yo soy... yo soy... (looks off stage) yosoyjustlikeyou!"

[Ken Burch]

103. (Removed by poster because he didn't know their actual abuela was dead).

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:30 PM - Edit history (1)

(And because he never would have made that joke if he had. OK?)

[merrily]

108. Nicely done.

[Tanuki]

132. I'm sure he and his brother would love to have a cup of chocolate with her

if she were still alive. RIP, Victoria Castro.

[Ken Burch]

135. No disrespect to their actual abuela was intended.

n/t.

[Tanuki]

136. I understand.

It was classy and decent of you to delete.

[Tanuki]

130. His abuela is dead. She did speak Spanish to him, and he understood her perfectly well.

It's not as if he doesn't speak a word of Spanish. He has said he does, and that he understands Spanish but that he doesn't speak it as fluently. His abuela was also named Castro, as you may know. She was a single mother who cleaned white people's houses and probably never dared to dream how successful her grandsons would become (even so far...and they are still young). His mother, La Raza Unida activist Rosie Castro was the first of her family to go to college. Note that she also has the same last name, as she too raised her sons as a single mom, at least after she and their father split up when they were young children. Despite the contempt some have shown on this thread, I think she did a damn good job. Rosie Castro has said that when she was in school, speaking Spanish was discouraged and children were fined 25 cents each time they were caught. She has also said that the price of a school lunch was 25 cents, so it was pretty effective. As some have noted, immigrant families often have complex reasons for the choices they make in a society in which a strong message is constantly being sent about what is necessary to succeed.
I would think long and hard before making jokes about Julian Castro's abuela, who is Rosie Castro's mama. This is not Rosie's first rodeo, and she would be an awesome asset to the campaign. She is in the lower right in this old photo:


More about Rosie Castro:
http://keywiki.org/Rosie_Castro

[merrily]

137. My post was not about any relative of Castro, living or dead, as everyone else who replied knew.

My guess is that you knew that as well. Just in case you did not know:

www, salon.com/2015/12/23/not_my_abuela_twitter_explodes_in_outrage_over_hillary_clintons_hispandering/

[marble falls]

110. We call it Spanglish downhere. Raul Castro will go far. He or his brother will...

be at least a governor or Senator or both. One of them will kick Cruz' ass.

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. Spanderish and Spanglish would be two completely different things. Worlds apart.

Whereas Spanglish is a mixture of Espanol and English, spoken by recent immigrants, Spanderish is a mixture of Spanish and pander, spoken by American politicians.

[DFW]

120. Raúl Castro has already gone far. He is president.

Of Cuba.

Did you mean Joaquín or Julián of San Antonio?

[George II]

124. You don't know much about Julian Castro, do you.

[Sheepshank]

125. Are you attempting to say that running mates are never picked for what voters they bring?

The most assinine attempt to twist political strategizing I've ever heard.

[mcar]

27. Because, that's why

[Lucinda]

5. Oh good grief. It was advice to Castro - to be able to communicate

directly with people who speak Spanish, which is actually good advice for anyone in public office. Especially anyone with Latin roots who is looking towards a long career in public service.

[Prism]

8. Spanish is awesome

And, I think, necessary in future America. It's just good practice to be able to communicate with people.

But the idea that, "Hrm, I appreciate you're Latino, but you don't speak Spanish, and that's not Latino enough . . . ."

It's implied heavily there.

[Lucinda]

13. No it isn't. Looks like you'd like it to be there. But it was just bloody good advice.

I like that our political leaders are mentoring the next generation of Democratic leaders. But that's just me. I'm perverse that way.

[Prism]

16. Good advice. Hmm.

You're a latino politician who has succeeded just fine to date.

But suddenly, in the past year, you have this dire need to rapidly learn Spanish out of a clear blue sky.

Uh, yeah.

[Lucinda]

45. There is a difference between local and national politics, and

any skill thats gives you a broader base to communicate with is an excellent use of time. If I were seeking national office, you can be sure I would be digging back in to my Spanish lessons. Wouldn't you want to be able to reach more people?

[pangaia]

21. If Hillary wants someone on her (hoped for) ticket who speaks Spanish,

why doesn't SHE learn Spanish?

[Prism]

28. Amen! n/t

[Lucinda]

30. You assume a lot there. Castro is from a good part of the country

for consideration, but even with his HUD position, he may have too thin a resume for the job. There are a lot of people floating Castro to Hillary, hence articles like this raising his public recognition, but that doesn't mean she will make that choice.

[okasha]

81. I think she will.

And his job will be not to "be Latino enough" but to deliver Texas.

And after that quite possibly to work on Latin American communications and policies, in which case Spanish would be quite useful to him.

[Lucinda]

87. I do think he'd be on the short list

just not certain he'll be selected. His HUD experience is certainly helpful, as well as his popularity back home. I've watched him since the convention speech. He and his brother both are great public servants.

[okasha]

89. I truly don't see anyone else likely.

It has to be a man because the US hasn't caught up with the Irish, who chose one woman as Prime Minister and another as President.

It also pretty much has to be a person of color, because a minority-majority electorate won't stand for a lily-white Executive branch, ever again. I don't believe Hillary will take any Democrat of any color out of Congress. It gets down to a Hispanic Southwesterner pretty rapidly, and someone with federal-level experience narrows it further.

[Lucinda]

90. Your logic is sound to me! I just haven't looked at other possibilities yet, and there

are groups pushing really hard for him, which could work in his favor or not. I think they often wait to see how they can counter the Rep ticket before they really make a final decision.

[Travis_0004]

6. Isnt it racist enough to say he has to be Latino or black?

Just choose whoever is best for the job regardless of their ethnicity.

[Prism]

9. Demographic and regional calculations

Are just part of that process.

And I don't have any real objection to that.

But to "make him more latino" is just fucking ugh.

[JonLeibowitz]

91. +1

Heck, if Tulsi Gabbard were from any state in real contest she'd be a great VP. Just not for Clinton, maybe Sanders, she isn't a warmonger like Hillary.

[ucrdem]

11. "Castro’s inner circle of aides and advisers." NOT the Clintons.

This is cheap and foul.

[Prism]

14. Do you honestly think these are separate universes?

That thoughts and ideas aren't telegraphed around inside political circles?

That a latino politician who has succeeded just fine until now, suddenly needs to learn Spanish?

Because I've the eastern span of the Bay Bridge on fire sale . . .

[ucrdem]

18. You're making an offensive false statement. The article is about Castro's inner circle,

not Hillary's, not Bill's. And where the link?

[Prism]

20. Here's the article

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/julian-castro-possible-vice-president-218119

And enjoy all the implications that Castro has to be more Latino than thou to be the right kind of latino for political office. It's wonderful.

[ucrdem]

33. The remark is attributed to CASTRO'S inner circle, NOT Hillary or Bill:

Here's the section. The referent of "they" and "their," as in "their language," is "Castro’s inner circle of aides and advisers," unless the Clintons are Spanish speakers. Misattributing to the Clintons and then starting a thread to call them racist because of it is anti-Democratic and offensive:

Along the way, Castro’s inner circle of aides and advisers have come to see Clinton’s running mate decision as a pretty simple math problem: it’ll be a white man, a black man or a brown man, they figure.

And then they run it down from there: the white man’s Sen. Tim Kaine, and though he’s got a lot of good government experience and the geography that could help with Ohio and Pennsylvania on top of his own Virginia, they say that at 58 he’d be too old to provide a generational contrast to the 68-year old Clinton, and too white for a campaign being defined by immigration reform and Black Lives Matter and Donald Trump’s attacks on minorities. Yes, Kaine speaks Spanish—and fluently, from his days as a missionary in Honduras, as opposed to Castro, who like so many first-generation Americans, had parents who only spoke English with him—but they don’t think it’ll go over too well for Clinton to try explaining to Latinos that at least the white guy she picked over a Latino speaks their language.

If it’s a black man, they say, then it’s Deval Patrick or Cory Booker. Patrick’s out, the Castro circle figures, because Massachusetts doesn’t help Clinton and that Bain Capital job he took after leaving office is a killer. Booker’s possible, though maybe a New York-New Jersey ticket’s a bit much.

[Prism]

36. Subtext

It's like text. But sub.

[ucrdem]

42. So you're doubling down on your Clinton bash.

There's a subtext alright.

[pangaia]

24. Jeeze, I had a rental car break down on the Eastern part of the Bay Bridge!!

Please delete your post. It give me the shakes!!

[Prism]

26. I'm sorry!

And also, I'm not.

You were probably why it took me 20 mins and not 15 mins to get home from the Castro.

You witch!

[pangaia]

31. Well it happened in...... wait, I'm thinking.......

I'm 72, give me a minute........

In 1992-- just before I went to New Zealand. So I doubt I am at fault. But it IS always possible.



You mean you got from The Castro to Oakland in 15-20 minutes?

I live in upstate NY, but that still surprises me.

[Prism]

34. There's a secret!

My place in El Cerrito (next to Berkeley) is close to an exit of 80. So I can get home from the city in 15-20 mins as a matter of course. It's amazing.

And to think, tech hasn't figured out where I live yet!

(Please don't tell them. I'd like my rent to not increase 500%)

[pangaia]

40. it is amazing.

I won't say a word.

[blue neen]

95. Again. It's Castro's inner circle, not Clinton's.

Is it not possible that he could also be preparing to be VP candidate with Bernie?

[Metric System]

118. Exactly! WTF does this have to do with the Clintons? Oh right, they get blamed for anything

said or done by anyone ever connected to them.

[MeNMyVolt]

32. You're losing it.

I know you're better than this.

[Prism]

35. Based on?

Please cite any rational posts I've submitted in the past.

Otherwise, please withdraw your slander.

[MeNMyVolt]

38. OK, that was good.

Peace.

[ucrdem]

39. You falsely attributed a remark to the Clintons and then started a thread to call them racist.

That's dishonest.

[MeNMyVolt]

41. You have to admit, Prism did have a killer comeback!

One I'll never forget, in a good way.

[ucrdem]

46. A better comeback would be to self-delete the OP.

[MeNMyVolt]

49. Hmm. there's always that.

[Prism]

55. Tch, silly posters

I'm two bottles of wine in. You think I'll bother now?

But seriously. I'm still pretty offended (as much as one can be who doesn't give a shit). I move within the Latino community, and that article is no fun for anyone. The guy is learning Spanish in order to pretend to be more authentic. It's goofily offensive.

[MeNMyVolt]

56. Two bottles?

I figured there was a reason I liked you.

[Prism]

58. Well, I ate

I can do more.

The fact I'm coherent is a testament that I'm clearly at least several ounces under my limit.

[MeNMyVolt]

61. You're killing me!

Thanks Prism. You're great!

[Prism]

65. Don't take any of this seriously

And also, Trader Joe's Pinot Grigio remains $2.49 a bottle!

How is everyone not drunk all of the time?

[JonLeibowitz]

92. This thread is awesome, thanks Prism!

And by the way, Trader Joe's has a Chateau St Jean Cabernet that is excellent for getting drunk on. I think you can get it for $6, at least I can where I am in Cali.

And yes, this Castro guy seems offensive. Never mind that he eschews government service positions (Homeland Security) because it might hurt his career if something goes wrong. Or ponders using a government jet as a reason to take a position. And naked ambition. He is everything that is wrong with Washington.

In fact, He and Hillary Clinton seem made for each other.

Cheers!

[riversedge]

109. I agree. The OP SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN-CALLING THE CLINTONS RACIST BECAUSE

JULIAN CASTRO IS RE-LEARNING SPANISH IS VILE AND UN-CALLED FOR. THE OP IS SHAMELESS.

[Lucinda]

48. LOL

[MeNMyVolt]

54. No kidding!

"Please cite any rational posts I've submitted in the past." It has me giggling so much that I want to hug Prism.

[Prism]

60. It's a political pub

Seriously. I won't convince you. You won't convince me. We just say things and then throw fists. Which I admire, because I'm Irish.

I don't take any of this very seriously. It's just a good time, either way.

Now, get the fuck over here, because I'm this close to slaughtering your ass at Connect Four.

[ucrdem]

37. Yep. Completely false and shown to be so. nt

[seabeyond]

43. So your premise is false, no bases for your accusation while the evidence states otherwise.

[Prism]

50. This thread is already an argument for better public education

How to read subtext. It's this thing where no one overtly says a thing, but underneath, you understand exactly what is being said.

So, from the overt statements, you can perceive and understand what no one is outright saying. You learn what is being said from what is being unsaid.

Or, what, you thought Julian Castro, after 41 years of speaking English, suddenly decided being able to hablo espanol rapidly was just, you know, because he's really into telenovelas?

*facepalms*

I feel like this thread is about to be some kind of bizarre English class litmus test between people who read and people who don't.

[seabeyond]

52. You made up a story. You are even stating repeatedly that is what you did, and present it as fact.

[Prism]

68. So . . .

I can put you in the don't category.

[seabeyond]

75. You can do whatever, even accuse Clinton when it states otherwise.

[Prism]

76. Did it state otherwise?

You say this, so I'll ask for evidence.

Where in the article did it state, "Please, Julian, only have knowledge of English!"

I'll await you evidence.

[Prism]

69. Welcome!

To DU!

Again.

Maybe.

Or for the first time!

Statistically.

[okasha]

82. Seven years of Spanish, you said elsewhere,.

yet you can't use the correct form of a simple regular verb.

I perceive subtext.

And I love telenovelas. When I was stuck in the hospiral for a few days, my choices were Fox, and Univision out of Monterrey. Guess which one I picked.

[Prism]

83. Irony/parody are also forms of language

This message board really is humorless, innit.

[okasha]

88. But, but, but. ...

I said there was subtext! .

(And the subtext in your posts is "I make shit up.&quot

[Autumn]

71. Julián Castro es como mi hermano.

The ad almost writes itself.

[Prism]

72. I've already ordered retinal reinforcements

For when he's picked and starts giving Spanish language speeches.

Which, as someone noted above, is actually kind of extra racist. The Latino will have to do Spanish, but Hillary can't?

Hmm hmm hmm.

[artislife]

73. My father was bilingual, his mom was Mexican

But he had this idea that the mother taught the languages..so when we asked why we weren't raised bilingually he said this. " I don't think your mother knows Gaelic." She is Irish, about 5 generations here.

So I can read it and follow some conversations but I don't really know the grammar. When my brother and his girlfriend and I went to Mexico about 3 years ago, we stayed with her friends. By the end of 17 days, both of them said they thought I should take grammar classes because what I picked up in those twoish weeks was crazy.

Aside, I wish Spanish Hulu would have English subtitles because I think that would be a great way to learn the language. I got some phrases in Swedish due to watching Swedish programs.

[Prism]

74. And your life is the point

How language knowledge devolves is interesting. I took seven years of Spanish, and I reinforced it a lot after my sister-in-law came here and didn't know English (I still have no idea how she and my brother got together - neither of them spoke the other's language, and they were communicating with dictionaries. I assume the sex was amazing. But I often played interpreter whenever I was over. Nowadays, she's awesome at English).

But, she speaks Spanish. Her kids do not. They don't want to either. She has tried, but there isn't an environment where it is necessary, so they'll probably just be English speaking kids with a smidgen of Spanish knowledge. I still come through the door and declare, "Mi sobrina!" and she looks at me like I've had a stroke.

Same with my mom. Her immigrant father was an interpreter for the court system. He spoke seven languages. He tried to teach my mom at least her native language. It never took. My mom knows words and phrases here and there, but she has no idea. And she's passed a bit onto us, but I really have no idea.

But, to get back to you point. My partner is half-Chinese. His mother is Irish, his father Chinese. His father wanted his children to be American. He never taught them Chinese. He wanted the mother's culture to prevail. So my boyfriend and his brothers identify far more with being Irish than Chinese. (Hilarious irony, my bf ended up a Japanese major, of all things).

Sometimes, first generations simply don't know their parents language, for whatever reason.

So it is with Castro. But now he's being asked to pretend. To play the part. That's offensive as hell. I feel like that diminishes my niece and nephew. Like they're less Latino because they don't speak Spanish. That their ethnicity is less authentic.

Fuck that, and all that saddled up with it.

[artislife]

78. There is a Latina h supporter

that tried to shame me about it back when I was swarm bait. She posted entirely in Spanish and I answered in English. I got what she posted but I also got her intent.

We go back and forth on the Latinos and who they will end up supporting. I think her generation will be with h while the younger will go to Bernie. That is if they show up, we are a hard group of people to show up anywhere near our numbers.

You two sound like a fun, open and cross culture couple!

[Prism]

80. You keep being you

Why the fuck should any of us pretend just to prove we're "real"?

I'm a gay man. God damn. Am I supposed to run around with a pink feather boa to prove it?

[artislife]

84. They like to label us and put us in a box!

And trot us out for photo ops.

[steve2470]

104. "Am I supposed to run around with a pink feather boa to prove it?"

BWAHAHAHAHA! That made me chuckle this morning, thank you Prism! You're one of my favorite posters here, as you know.

To your point: Yes, I think speaking Spanish, in general, is a good thing for anyone in public office in this country today. That applies to everyone, not just Latinos. It would be interesting to know exactly how all this went down. Did anyone in the Clinton camp say anything at all ? Was it all cooked up in the Castro camp ? Did Castro come up with this idea all on his own ? None of us know anything except what the article says. As we all know, published articles very rarely have all the details, especially in politics.

I agree with your main point about Latinos having to speak Spanish.

[bigwillq]

85. The Clintons are just awful. Period.

They are politicians to the core. They only care about what is in it for them.

I have never liked them, and never will.

[steve2470]

106. wtf dude

Ok, you need to prove your points, with links. I'll wait, thanks.

Senator Sanders is NOT actively racist, that's complete bullshit. Prove that.

Nuclear waste ? WTF. Prove that.

Fantasies of gang rapes ? Again, prove that.

For the record, if anyone said something outrageous about Secretary Clinton or Governor O'Malley, I'd say the same thing!

[seabeyond]

122. '72 he wrote to a newspaper, men fantasize abusing women and women gang raped.

Where have you been that you are not aware of this article he wrote for a Vermont newspaper? There has been plenty of conversation.

He voted to send waste to a small Texas town on the Mexico border. Again, something else that has been discussed on DU.

Both of these are easy enough to google, if you are interested.

[steve2470]

126. I wasn't aware of all this. I don't make politics and DU my life, unlike some of you

Ok, he said something horrible 45 years ago or so in a newspaper article. I'm sure he would renounce it today.

The nuclear waste, without digging into the details, I'll simply declare that a mistake during his legislative career.

Secretary Clinton's record is not perfectly spotless. No one on her team can say that with a straight face and a clean conscience. I'll still take Senator Sanders.

[seabeyond]

128. You called the poster out as lying. He wasn't. I pointed it out. He got a hide telling a truth.

Now, you insult me a couple ways because I am informed.

[beam me up scottie]

129. He got a hide for calling Bernie a racist. Are you saying that's the truth?

[R B Garr]

134. OMG, again with this?! First sentence of the OP:

"I wasn't aware of all this." She pointed out that it had been discussed and it's hard to see how someone could not be aware if they read here. Hard to believe you are manipulating this simple exchange, too.

[beam me up scottie]

127. Oh ffs. He wrote a badly worded essay about gender stereotypes.

Michael Briggs, Sanders' newly minted campaign spokesman, said the article was a "dumb attempt at dark satire in an alternative publication" that "in no way reflects his views or record on women."

"It was intended to attack gender stereotypes of the '70s, but it looks as stupid today as it was then," Briggs told CNN.

***

Sanders analyzes the dynamics of sexuality and relationship between men and women, including a seemingly made up conversation between a couple about their deteriorating relationship.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/politics/bernie-sanders-rape-essay-1972/index.html

Women do fantasize about rape, it's a fact. No intelligent adult woman that I know is offended by that essay because they understand what he was trying to say even if it came out dumb.

[madaboutharry]

93. The OP is inaccurate

It fails to demonstrate the alleged racism. Julian Castro working on his Spanish skills in order to communicate better with Spanish speaking voters does not make Hillary Clinton a racist.

[MisterP]

133. identitarian might be the better word--to boil voters down to one label and make them

content with not ever looking past that: Castro's therefore chosen to appeal to Latinos because he is one, at least in name and physiognomy

it's the same way they figure that this year there's no Black guy running unlike in '08, so the South's a lock

[underthematrix]

94. Twitter is now mocking Bernie supporters for this kind of madness

And I'm re-tweeting as often as I can.

As regards, Sec Castro, I would love it if he were HRC's VP pick because I could see this as a segue into a presidential run in 2024. I also think they would make a great team. HRC could truly trust Sec Castro. she wouldn't have to worry about him stabbing her in the back.

Now about HRC's and BJC's latent racism. Hillary's two closest confidantes are a smart, beautiful fierce Muslim woman named Huma Abedin and the always brilliant fabulous Cheryl Mills, who is African American. Bill Clinton's closet confidante is the very powerful and rich Vernon Jordan, who was also his attorney during the Lewinsky drama.

[riversedge]

96. Sanders fans who post such vile crap should be mocked. Thanks for the post

[underthematrix]

97. This place may be restrictive but Twitter is a a truly open forum

[riversedge]

99. There are no restrictions here on DU in calling the Clintons racist over and over . Sometimes I

Think I am on RW site here.

[underthematrix]

100. This does feel like a right wing site.

[riversedge]

102. Posts like the OP makes does it for me.

[JonathanRackham]

105. Apparently Hillary missed the Dyngus Day parade last year too.

[Fumesucker]

107. Greetings fellow Latinos

[lunamagica]

112. This Latina is not offended

So there are Latinos who don't speak Spanish (and apparently are quite proud of it.) there are many who do.

There are many, particularly among the elderly who have problem with English, and feel more comfortable speaking Spanish...How can it be offensive to try to reach out to them in their own language?

I just think that some are worried that Hillary will get an even bigger support from the Latino community, and are desperately lashing out about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. I wish I could speak Spanish.

EOM

[lunamagica]

114. Selena grew up not knowing a word of Spanish. By the time of her murder she was pretty fluent

Same with Jennifer Lopez (except for the murder part, of course).

They never felt the need to learn it while growing up, but they learned in order to reach out to the Latino community who felt more comfortable communicating in Spanish.

I guess the Latino community should have been insulted and never forgiven them over that.

Man, this is so unbelievable.

As for you, DSB, you are very intelligent and you have a way with words. I'm sure you'd pick up the language in no time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. Being bilingual is a good thing.

Please rate Jeb Bush's and Marco Rubio's mastery of the Spanish language on a scale of 1-10.

BTW, I am listening to Mayor DeBlasio talk about the NY snow storm preparations in Spanish.

[lunamagica]

117. Marco Rubio speaks like a native Spanish speaker

I'm sure it was his first language at home while he grew up.

Many families do that. They only speak their native language at home so the kids are fully bilingual. They still learn English from TV and from even just going out. Some people think that using this method their kids English won't be good, but I've never seen that happen. These kids prefer English by the time they are in first or second grade, but they are fluent in Spanish.

So, long answer to say that Marco Rubio is a 10.

Jeb is pretty fluent, with a soft accent. I'd say he is an 8 or 9 -unlike his brother W, who murdered the language every time he tried to speak it.

I've heard rumors that Jeb's wife Columba won't allow anyone to speak English in their house. I don't know if this is true or not.

[Sheepshank]

119. Disgusting, misleading bullshit. Op, Bernie supporter should be ashamed nt

[George II]

121. Where did this stuff come from?

[NCTraveler]

131. I have heard both Clintons....

Delve into what I would define as dog whistles. Similar to the manner in which this op is being used in a flawed attempt to make a point. I wish we were allowed to have a robust debate on this topic. Unfortunately, any further than I just went will get hidden. It would be nice if that would change.


BTW: "Castro’s inner circle of aides and advisers." NOT the Clintons.

Communicatiin is so important in this world. It is so important in our country. We should all be putting a similar effort forward to improve communication with others.