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Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:44 PM

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Goldman Sachs.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the TPP at the expense of American workers.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for ever increasing profits of HMOs, drug companies, "non-profit" hospitals, and medical device manufacturers that make healthcare increasingly unaffordable and "health insurance" increasingly worthless.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East in the name of corporate profits.

I cannot accept any of these things, that is why I am voting for Bernie Sanders. If you want more of the same pro-corporate BS we have seen for the past 35 years vote for Hillary. If you want real change, vote for Bernie.

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Reply A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Goldman Sachs. (Original post)
Odin2005 Jan 2016 OP
Metric System Jan 2016 #1
brentspeak Jan 2016 #3
TDale313 Jan 2016 #7
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2016 #42
hifiguy Jan 2016 #62
Gene Debs Jan 2016 #86
sammythecat Jan 2016 #89
Victor_c3 Jan 2016 #99
Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2016 #110
hifiguy Jan 2016 #130
EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #127
hifiguy Jan 2016 #128
deathrind Jan 2016 #129
Metric System Jan 2016 #8
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #9
Metric System Jan 2016 #13
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restorefreedom Jan 2016 #10
ish of the hammer Jan 2016 #18
Odin2005 Jan 2016 #20
draa Jan 2016 #76
restorefreedom Jan 2016 #39
artislife Jan 2016 #14
Metric System Jan 2016 #24
snoringvoter Jan 2016 #27
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artislife Jan 2016 #31
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hifiguy Jan 2016 #63
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:46 PM

1. Good for you, but don't insult me or who I choose to vote for. Thank you for providing yet another

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:48 PM

3. Look up the word "insult" in the dictionary

The OP didn't "insult" anyone. Please don't insult our intelligence.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:51 PM

7. Apparently pointing out policy differences are "insults"

While Hillary supporters only speak in glowingly positive terms and talk up their candidate and never go negative. wtf?

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:07 PM

42. This is such a great point. Both sides have all kinds of supporters, but the Hillary side

inexplicably cling to this myth that only Sanders supporters "insult" the other side. The behavior of many of the Hillary supporters here have seriously strengthened my support for Sanders.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:24 PM

62. I have yet to see a Clinton supporter

 

refer to her policies. Ever. I suppose it's because they are in essence Republican policies on 90%+ of the issues.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:40 AM

86. They can't, and they know it. Sanders' supporters can point to a

 

decades-long list of committed fights for working people, minorities, and progressive causes. All Clinton's supporters seem to have to offer is some breathless, vague sense that she's awesome. They can't hold up her record on public policy, because it's an embarrassment. Their enthusiasm for her seems to be completely visceral, and it makes me wonder what the real, deep-down reasons for their enthusiasm are. Is it because they just want a woman president? If that's the case, I have to assume they'd be equally happy with Carly Fiorina.

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #86)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:59 AM

89. You summed it up perfectly

Well said, and just in case it hasn't been said, welcome to DU!

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #86)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:32 PM

99. As you are, I'm completely stumped as to why anyone would think Clinton is the better candidate

I just don't get it. I could understand how people could support Trump and Cruz and even bush, but support for Clinton boggles my mind. Clinton stands for or has stood against so many things that are important to democrats. She has only "evolved" on certain issues after it was clear that the majority of Americans had already evolved as well.

There is no way in hell I could bring myself to vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War Resolution and then took more than a decade to realize that it was a mistake. She is either lacking adequate insight into serious issues or she is just going along with whatever the zeitgeist at the time is as it seems to be the politically expedient thing to do. Either of those make her an unacceptable option to me.

As a 23 year old Infantry Officer in 2002 and early 2003 I was boggled with what I saw going on in the Middle East. I never once understood the connection between Iraq and September 11th or believed we should have invaded that country. In found myself shooting, killing, and stuffing body bags in Iraq from February 2004 through March 2005. I knew before that war and I knew when I was in the war that it was a huge mistake. For someone who is aspiring to be our president to have taken more than a decade to realize the same thing a naïve and young kid could realize in an instant is a mistake says a lot about the poor judgement of the person aspiring to be our leader.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #99)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

110. The horrors of war

that you describe validate my own feeling from the beginning that the Iraq war was a cynical endeavor to enrich powerful interests. I am very glad you survived to tell about it.

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #86)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:35 PM

130. A woman president would be a fine thing.

 

But not the reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher - bellicose/warlike and dedicated to piss-down economics amd tje 1%.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:26 PM

127. ?!?!

Wait! She has policies?????

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #127)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:32 PM

128. Well, sort of. Depends on the day and who she]s talking at.

 

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:32 PM

129. Interesting.

You make a very good point. Most of the posts I see that involve HRC and a position on any given issue is mostly her position in reference to a Sanders position and how "out of touch" he is on a position.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:52 PM

8. A vote for Hillary is a vote for endless war? What does that say about Hillary supporters?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:55 PM

9. That was an excellent rebuttal

I couldn't be prouder than to stand with you.





Earnestly and respectfully,
DSB

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:59 PM

13. Thank you. It's telling they can't see the insult in the OP.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:02 PM

16. Never try to get somebody to believe something their whole world view hinges on not believing.

DSB

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:56 PM

10. well, how DO you feel about libya, iraq, and syria

and her positions on them?

can't say THATS not an issue question

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:04 PM

18. don't forget Honduras and Guatemala

but all I'm hearing is crickets....

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Response to ish of the hammer (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:06 PM

20. Yep. Make no mistake...

...Hillary is a tool for the 1% and the rapacious Capitalist elites that rape and pillage the developing world.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:25 AM

76. Keep preaching it Odin

As a veteran I can safely say Clinton is not fit to be Commander in Chief.

Her Iraq War vote is enough to disqualify her completely.

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Response to ish of the hammer (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:57 PM

39. really would like someone to weigh in. nt

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:01 PM

14. Do you need more pearls to clutch?

 

I am sure we can have a whip around to get some more for you.



There, there.

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Response to artislife (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:20 PM

24. Typical nasty response.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:28 PM

27. Truth.

 

It's what is hurting you.

Truth.

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Response to snoringvoter (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:29 PM

29. If that's what you call it, go ahead.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:36 PM

31. No not nasty...."concerned".

 




We are here to help if you need any more!

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:05 PM

19. Truth hurts, huh?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:15 PM

23. The truth

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:27 PM

26. That they are perfectly fine with endless wars.

 

We are not.

It's time to change priorities.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:57 PM

38. Exactly what I ask.

How can you support a hawk?

Doesn't it bother you that she is for regime change at the expense of so many lives?

Doesn't it bother you that she says we can not afford healthcare for all and free public college but we can afford to depose elected leaders of other countries?

Why do you support continued war?!

Please, if you do one thing, get her to back off of the needless killing.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #38)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:26 PM

63. The heat death of the universe will come to pass

 

before you get any attempt at a serious answer. They have nothing. Zip, el zilcho, nada, bupkis.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:40 PM

50. I don't think it says anything about her supporters

other than they will vote for her because of, or in spite of, her history on foreign policy and national security and privacy. They may agree with her, or maybe think it's not that important because some of her other positions are more important to them.

Pointing out what they are voting for, is not attacking them. It's pointing out who Hillary is and what she represents.

What do you think it says? Does it make you feel embarrassed or ashamed to be connected with her, knowing her aggressive stance on dealing with countries like Syria, Iran, Libya, Iraq?

If you feel shame, or attacked because you support her, that may be something you should look at more deeply.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #50)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:58 PM

59. Amen!

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:32 AM

81. Well said.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:46 PM

55. There some reason to believe that Hillary is for endless war

Vote for Iraq war, close ties to Henry Kissinger. There's also good reason to believe that Hillary is more concerned about the needs or desires of wall street than for actual, non-incorporated people. What does that say about Hillary supporters?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:56 PM

72. An opinion

 

Of the candidate's foreign policy.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:30 AM

80. Not much imo.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:35 AM

85. It says what the person believes

based on the person's analysis of past actions and currently stated positions and Hillary's association with the Bushes, Trump, and even worse Kissinger. The poster never said you favored war. Get over it.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:09 PM

90. It says they're making a mistake

supporting Hillary. Nothing more than that, and nothing less. Trying to imply that it's some sort of hateful insult is ridiculous, and also pathetic. That's an insult. See the difference?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

98. you're way too sensative

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

107. She is a hawk, that is no secret. Iraq war vote was her judgement call.

She is beholden to moneyed interests, those that stand to gain by war.

If that concept troubles you, perhaps you need to take another look at who you are supporting.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:49 PM

4. THAT was an insult to you? Good lawd. Some thin skin around here.

 

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:51 PM

6. Hillarians are easily offended, apparently.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:02 PM

15. Apparently.

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:34 AM

82. As is their candidate.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:34 PM

30. +1

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:41 PM

34. excellent article, thanks and keep up the good fight...

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:03 PM

40. Behavior detailed in this article

you mean like this?

I posted this on the Primary board - it's wasted there
No use talking to the Sanders folks

They are true believers who are more interested in ideals than common sense. They are more interested in reaching for the moon than getting incremental things done to further the cause. The are more interested having a totally ineffective Bernie Sanders in the White House, who talks a good game, but will get nothing done then someone who deal with the Republicans' BS and can take small steps forward. They seem to have little understanding of how government actually works.

Worse yet they seem to be a small minority of mostly decently well off white people who isolated in their communities, out of touch how the average American thinks, and who believe that everyone has their frame of reference. They believe that their lovable but angry little socialist will be embraced by the centralists in this country who decide Presidential elections. They don't understand or simply don't care that their little crusade could hand the White House, both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court to the Republicans.

They believe that it is more important to vote their convictions than to win. Having a discussion with them is a waste of time and energy.


You are absolutely and 100% correct on all points and you said it better than I ever could have.

And, yes, having a discussion with a Bernie club member is a waste of time and energy.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #40)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:34 PM

46. That is some quality Establishment delusion you found, there.

The "centrist swing voter" is a myth, elections are decided by turnout of the base.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:52 PM

56. I see no insult in the OP. Read it again, please.

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:11 AM

75. I figure you must hit refresh a dozen times to get in the first response. To bad you don't

 

do more with it.

Sanders represents the 99% and Clinton represents the 1%. All Democrats should back the 99%.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 09:25 AM

79. It insults you to hear that Clinton supports endless war?

 

Does that mean you put fingers in your ears every time her "experience" is detailed?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:55 AM

88. thanks for reinforcing why I'm going for Sanders

face palm. seriously you need a head check quit insulting others about BS

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:47 PM

2. This is an excellent synopsis.

I stand with you and with Bernie Sanders.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:51 PM

5. Thanks, Peggy!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:45 PM

35. If Peggy does,

so do I.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:35 PM

65. Same for me! nt

 

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #65)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:57 AM

78. Me 2

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:57 PM

11. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:58 PM

12. A vote for Hillary is a vote to pull our party further to the right.

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Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:14 PM

91. That's exactly what it is,

and I sincerely hope it's just that her supporters haven't realized that yet.

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Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:38 PM

112. That's a vicious lie! Hillary has always been in the vanguard fighting for progressive causes.

You want specifics? Here ya go:

1) Hillary was among the first progressive politicians to fight for marriage equality. OOPS! She was against marriage equality in 08 and only switched positions after the vast majority of Democrats voiced support for gay marriage.

2) Hillary stood against the horrible decision to go to war in Iraq which has caused so much turmoil and suffering in the Middle East. OOPS! She voted for the war and supported it until it turned sour. She's against it now though so what's the diff.

3) For years Hillary has defended alleged sexual abuse victims. OOOPS! I guess for years she has actually defended an alleged sexual abuser.

4) Hillary was against the NAFTA trade agreement that shipped so many American jobs overseas. Even though her husband fought for and signed it into law, you just know Hillary was vehemently against it and mad at Bill for signing it into law. What do you think all those rumors of fighting and flying lamps in the White House were all about.


UMMM. Maybe I need a RESET button for this post

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Response to Akicita (Reply #112)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:17 PM

120. +1

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:04 PM

17. A vote for mega death and corporate greed.

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:11 PM

21. From Goldwater to Goldman Sachs. The evolution of Hillary in a nutshell.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:12 PM

22. And for the TPP.

The Tyrannical Power Play.

Does anybody really buy her 11th hour conversion on this issue, given her record of talking out both sides of her mouth on corporatocracy issues?

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Response to forest444 (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:39 PM

32. Shillary is a compulsive liar.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:50 PM

36. The always crucial swing voters agree.

This is why, whatever else could be said about her good or bad, she can't be the nominee if we're to have any hope of keeping Führer Donald and the Tealibans out of the White House.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:46 PM

54. This is what the Hillary supporters are complaining about

Shillary? Come on...do you like it when Bernie is called names?

I wish both sides would be a little less nasty and a lot less defensive.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:15 PM

96. Agreed!

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:25 PM

25. So True

But hard core Hillary people keep those blinders on. They will rarely even try to refute directly the points made by the Bern Brigade.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:05 PM

41. Yup. Just look upthread

It must be in the textbook.

Claim that Bernie supporters are being insulting. Have a Bernie supporter respond with a question about an issue. Let an hour go by until somebody makes a comment that can be seen as another insult. Respond to insult and IGNORE THE ISSUE.

Textbook.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:28 PM

28. Hillary Goldman Clinton

That has kind of a cash register ring to it ..

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:40 PM

33. Aint it the sad Truth!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:57 PM

37. +1,000,000

Go Bernie!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:23 PM

43. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Hillary Clinton. What are you trying to prove, Odin?

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Response to George II (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:28 PM

45. I'm not "trying" to prove anything.

It is a fact that she is Wall Street's friend.

It is a fact that she opposes Single Payer.

It is a fact that she supports American imperialism.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #45)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:39 PM

49. Sanders supports "American imperialism" too -

- he never saw a military funding bill he couldn't refuse.

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Response to George II (Reply #49)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:40 PM

66. Bernie is against American Imperialism but when the nation fights a war even against his

best admonitions, he's not then going to turn around and leave the troops unfunded in hostile territory.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:04 PM

74. +1

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:47 PM

93. Ding ding ding! Best answer award!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:26 PM

44. I'm with Odin2005

 

HRC is unscrupulous and immoral. Given the laundry list of irrefutable facts that support this assertion, it's distressing that so many so-called democrats still support her. She's the epitome of the "two party" sham, working tirelessly to fool people that she really cares about progressive issues.

Will she release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speeches, or any of the others that payed her millions over the past few years?

Follow the money

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Response to Got it (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:22 PM

60. I have always thought about what Bill Clinton would have

had to do the get elected Governor of Arkansas. Arkansas is a southern state, a state that has conservative ideals even when they vote Democratic. It is the type of state we get our blue dogs and conserva Dems from.

Then he moves to help create the DLC so that we can elect Democrats again. Right leaning Democrats. IMO what they created was a southern strategy to elect Democrats. Lean right and win.

But that has never really worked in northern states that were traditionally blue states. But the results of the right turn have not produced an economic win for the country. It has kept the south very poor under conservative governors while it has allowed Congress to depress the economies of the northern blue states.

Hillary is still using a southern strategy that does not work for any of us. She still leans right and thinks it works. We need to turn back to what did work before 1980. We need to stop following a strategy that does not work.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:38 PM

47. Picture of Hillary greeting Goldman Sachs' CEO, Lloyd Blankfein

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:38 PM

48. *GAG*

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:44 PM

52. Her real running mate.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:42 PM

51. And it doesn't get any clearer than that. It's unspinnable.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:49 AM

83. OMG!

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:59 PM

94. Fucking incredible!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:53 PM

57. K&R

Great post. Those things and so many more are why I too am voting for Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:55 PM

58. You'll be interested in this I think...

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:22 PM

61. And Citibank, and Northrop Grumman, and Boeing

 

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

and every mercenary outfit like Xe or whatever the fuck it's called now, and the MIC and the NSA, and the Secret Government, abd Billionaires Everywhere, and every other thing that is rotten in and about this once-proud republic.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:27 PM

64. K/R

This is also the reason why I am voting for Bernie.

I seriously do not believe America can take another tour to eight years of neoliberalism, whether the neoliberal is Hillary of one of the Republicans, and still be America.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:43 PM

67. Odin, it's damn good to see you around again (and a Sanders supporter)!

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Response to EvolveOrConvolve (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:47 PM

69. Hiya!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:45 PM

68. and health insurance companies!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:55 PM

71. I listed to a Minnesota Public Radio program a week ago about the cost of healthcare...

...And they were saying that the prime driver of the ever-increasing healthcare costs is less the insurance companies and more with hospitals, drug companies, and medical device manufacturers essentially price gouging because they can get away with it. In the US, unlike in other countries, there are no regulations preventing such gouging and those companies like it that way.

I was very disappointed that Senators Klobuchar and Franken gave in to the medical device manufacturers (who have a huge presence in Minnesota) in suspending the medical device tax that was supposed to pay for some of the ADA subsidies. This is the kind of corrupt power we are dealing with in the medical industry, everyone in the industry is fleecing patients and taxpayers.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #71)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:57 PM

73. They don't like it when they get found out

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:50 PM

70. Go Bernie, but even more importantly...

Go all the volunteers and voters that will actually pull this revolution off!

Just imagine a President that uses the bully pulpit to make it legal for the federal government to negotiate drug prices with big pharma. Imagine all the health care dollars saved! I don't remember the big H calling for price negotiations. Someone feel free to tell me where my abuela suggested it.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:48 AM

77. I just wish she would post the transcripts

 

Instead of laughing at by request. (If she has nothing to hide)

I will not hold my breath though.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:56 AM

84. A vote for Clinton is a vote for H-1B and other guest worker program outsourcing?...

 

Based on her statement in 2008 election asking for expansion of H-1B some would say yes. Based on her absence of any kind of comment since that time, some would say "We don't know"...

But an interesting article just now here with comments from the current ambassador to India on relations with India now, might hint what is to come.

Note that the article here states that this ambassador, Richard Rahul Verma, has been on Hillary Clinton's presidential election team in the past. Does he speak for her and her current policy? That is a big question.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-to-remain-priority-for-us-no-matter-who-rules-us-ambassador/articleshow/50688302.cms

India to remain priority for US, no matter who rules: US Ambassador

By MEERA MOHANTY, ET Bureau | 22 Jan, 2016, 09.40PM IST



BHUBANESHWAR: India will remain high priority for the next president of the US irrespective of who wins the 2016 presidential elections, US Ambassador to India, Richard Rahul Verma, said on Friday.

"I actually think it is not just a bipartisan support US-India relations enjoys, it is now a non- partisan issue. If you look at the House of Congress the single largest bipartisan group, of 350 members, is the India Caucus. I do not think any other issue brings 350 members of the House of Congress together," Verma said during his first visit to Bhubaneshwar.

...

Verma, formerly assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, has served on Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's team in the past.

On the recent increase in visa fees for H1B visas, from $2,000 to $4,000, Verma said it was a congressional decision, to raise funds for 9/11 victims, and not aimed at any particular country. "There is an ongoing conversation between companies and members of the congress going forward on the impact of these fees," he said, adding that India which got the "lions shares of H1B visa and majority of L1 visa" has no need to worry.
...

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:47 AM

87. Remember that as YOU vote for Hillary in November.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #87)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:48 PM

103. I will not vote for her.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #103)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:24 PM

111. So you prefer to abstain and vote for the R by proxy.

This is Democratic Underground, you know.

Thinking like yours - check, make that nonthinking - will elect an R.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #111)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:40 PM

113. Voting for her is voting for R by proxy.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #113)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

114. Delusional.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #114)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:50 PM

115. Yes, having principles is considerd delusional by the Estasblishment.

Because they have all sold their souls for $$$ And could not comprehend principles even if it hit them in the ass.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #115)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:53 PM

116. I'm not impressed by your pouty, foot-stomping principles.

I've been voting D since 1972, and frankly, I'm not impressed with the cry babies who are attaching themselves to Bernie. He deserves better, as does the person who gets the D nomination, whoever that is.

Whatcha gonna do if Hillary wins and Bernie urges his followers to vote for her? Ignore him?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #116)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:54 PM

117. The only cry-babies I see are the ones defending Clinton.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #117)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:56 PM

118. So if Hillary wins and Bernie asks his supporters to vote for her

what will you do? Call Bernie part of the establishment, part of the problem?

Try thinking beyond 5pm today.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #118)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:02 PM

119. I don't let other people tell me who to vote for.

I'd rather keep my conscience clear that vote for a warmongering corporatist, and nothing is going to change my mind. Nothing.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #119)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:43 PM

121. You're a naive enabler of the Rs.

Idealism ignorant of its real-world consequences.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #121)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:45 PM

122. That overused meme doesn't work, anymore.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #122)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:46 PM

123. Not on you. More's the pity.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #123)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:48 PM

124. Not just me, most people.

People are sick of being scolded and shamed for voting for the lesser of the two evils. The corrupt fucks in the Establishment are not entitled to our votes. If the Dems lose that is THEIR fault for forcing a corrupt, warmongering, pathological liar on us.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #124)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:24 PM

125. DU TOS:

"In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side."

Does this mean anything to you? If not, what the hell are you doing at DU?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #125)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:26 PM

126. I'm not telling others not to vote.

I'm telling you what people WILL do. Big difference.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #126)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:35 PM

131. Bullshit. Read the TOS again.

What part of "must support D nominees" don't you get?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #113)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:46 PM

132. All of this. What few policies she has deigned

 

to inform the proletarians of are 90+ Republican.

Endless War everywhere, continuing to coddle the banksters/MIC and let them run amok, TPP to deligitimize and privatize government, no progress towards Medicare For All, let students keep drowning in debt and double down on the drug war so the for-profit prisons continue to rake in the $$$.

Who in their right mind can support horseshit like that?

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:37 PM

92. K&R

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:01 PM

95. Kicked and recommended!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:27 PM

97. And a vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote to ensure the Republicans sweep November

He's painted himself into a corner with his "no superPAC money" stance. Which would be admirable and doable in a $100 million race, but not in a $2 billion one.

Without superPAC money he won't be able to counter the inevitable barrage of negative ads from the Koch Brothers, the NRA, the National Right to Life Committee and anyone else whose pocket is going to get a lot lighter after Sanders' election.

And God, Buddha, Cthulhu, Allah, Vishnu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster all together won't be able to save him when the GOP remembers the East German Communist Party's post-reunification new name was the "Party of Democratic Socialism."

If he takes superPAC money, a lot of the people who love Bernie because he isn't beholden to big donors will bolt because he will have become a member of "the establishment."

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #97)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:47 PM

102. Your lack of faith in the American people is sad.

It seems like you have given up and accepted rule by money.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:44 PM

100. Right..

And a vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for any Republican candidate. When did a 74-year old Independent become the messiah of the Democratic Party?

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #100)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

101. (71 posts) your "concern" is noted.

Lots of low-post members defending Hillary, I wonder why that is...

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #101)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:09 PM

104. Yep, I've heard that from Bernie supporters, but

if I was a Bernie supporter I would be welcomed with open arms.


GO HILLARY!!!!

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #100)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:15 PM

105. Probably when a Republican disguised as a Democrat in a pantsuit started pushing Republican policy.

 

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:16 PM

106. Hilliary has a big decision to make. Will she choose Goldman or Sachs to be her running mate?

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:28 PM

108. K + R!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:39 PM

109. More Ridiculous Talking Points for Hillary

I just heard former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm use the same line Hillary used in one of the debates. It was on The Week ABC.

"Why should we pay for Donald Trump's children's college tuition?"

In reality, it would be Donald Trump paying for Americans who can't afford a college education.

I was listening with interest what she had to say, until she quoted Hillary's very misleading assertion about paying for Trump's children. It was then I realized she was just a talking head for Hillary.

Jennifer Granholm. Claire McCaskill. There is an army of them out there trying to take down Bernie.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:59 PM

133. Over and over and over again,

this is beginning to be a really big drag.
Over and over and over again,
this is all you guys can say.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #133)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 09:01 PM

134. The truth hurts.

It is a fact that she is the Goldman Sachs candidate.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 09:12 PM

135. Yup

 

K and R

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