HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Retired » Retired Forums » 2016 Postmortem (Forum) » Why Bernie Enthusiasm is ...

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:04 PM

Why Bernie Enthusiasm is important: down-ticket coat-tails.

Hillary may will the presidency, but she will be stuck with a GOP-run Congress. Only Bernie has the enthusiasm to get out enough voters to overwhelm GOP gerrymandering in the US House and in state legislatures. This is what the Bernie-Bashers howling about "realism" don't understand. The "realists" just meekly accept a GOP-ruled Congress, missing the point that the "delusional" enthusiasm for Bernie is exactly what is needed to take back Congress and the state legislatures.

Bernie will bring out a lot of people to vote that WILL stay home if Hillary is the nominee.

13 replies, 1646 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:06 PM

1. Yes it is.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:09 PM

2. I think she's fine with the GOP running congress.

It will definitely make most of her donors happy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:14 PM

3. There is that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:17 PM

4. It also allows her to more forcefully "stand" for something when she knows it can't pass. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:21 PM

6. Exactly. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:20 PM

5. So the guy running on the idea that in general Democrats

 

Aren't liberal enough, is going to spark people to vote for those same Democratic candidates? How does that work exactly?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mythology (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:22 PM

7. There are no down ballot Socialists

Candidates in swing states would be putting as much distance between themselves and Bernie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:23 PM

8. Bernie is our big chance for Dems to defeat the GOP and take back much of Congress

 

Not to mention to throw-off the shackles & blinders of 3rd Way Corporatism for good.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:57 PM

9. Will Bernie's revoloutionary supporters back establisment Democrats?

It seems that his supporters have nothing but contempt for elected Democratic politicians. They are the establisment after all. I don't think Bernie has any coat tails.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:34 PM

12. Will establishment Democrats back Sanders on Social Security and trade?

If yes, then I can't imagine many Democrats voting for someone who doesn't, or third party. In 2016 winning will be more about motivated voters, and not as much about motivated big donors. Woe unto the candidate who doesn't see that reality affecting their chances.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:58 PM

10. HIllary's coat tails wil be eneggizing the right wing to come out and vote against her.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:26 PM

11. That, and some R's crumbling and backing specific, popular, parts of what Sanders is running on

Expanding Social Security and Medicare aren't actually unpopular ideas among all Republican voters. Pound away on those issues and if some R's think it will keep them in office, they'll claim to be open to it. It's only a start to developing a wedge, but it is one way to get that going.

IIRC even the usually indefensible Huckabee said nice things about Social Security. OK, I just googled, and he did. National Review link, but that's what I get for googling Huckabee and Social Security.

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee is setting out on a populist course in hopes of securing the Republican nomination for president in 2016. Among other things, he has come out against the next round of free-trade agreements. He also wants to be seen as the GOP defender of middle-class entitlement programs. In announcing his candidacy, he said, “If Congress wants to take away someone’s retirement, let them end their own congressional pensions — not your Social Security.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418842/what-huckabee-plan-social-security-james-c-capretta


Right, so arguably there's some kind of wedge, on a few issues, that can be driven. Many Republican voters don't like our free trade agreements and Sanders has credibility on that issue. This can help us if our candidates for the House and Senate stick with Sanders on that.

Many of these Republicans, and most are older, take more than a passing interest in Social Security. Sanders has credibility in preserving it, and our down-ticket candidates can benefit by being on Sanders side on this. We need to force these issues, and with credibility. Just giving them a nod in our platform is not nearly enough.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:47 PM

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Odin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread