Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:04 PM
Odin2005 (53,521 posts)
Why Bernie Enthusiasm is important: down-ticket coat-tails.
Hillary may will the presidency, but she will be stuck with a GOP-run Congress. Only Bernie has the enthusiasm to get out enough voters to overwhelm GOP gerrymandering in the US House and in state legislatures. This is what the Bernie-Bashers howling about "realism" don't understand. The "realists" just meekly accept a GOP-ruled Congress, missing the point that the "delusional" enthusiasm for Bernie is exactly what is needed to take back Congress and the state legislatures.
Bernie will bring out a lot of people to vote that WILL stay home if Hillary is the nominee.
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Odin2005 | Jan 2016 | OP |
JRLeft | Jan 2016 | #1 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #2 | |
peacebird | Jan 2016 | #3 | |
Lucky Luciano | Jan 2016 | #4 | |
TIME TO PANIC | Jan 2016 | #6 | |
mythology | Jan 2016 | #5 | |
redstateblues | Jan 2016 | #7 | |
99th_Monkey | Jan 2016 | #8 | |
comradebillyboy | Jan 2016 | #9 | |
Babel_17 | Jan 2016 | #12 | |
Ferd Berfel | Jan 2016 | #10 | |
Babel_17 | Jan 2016 | #11 | |
Uncle Joe | Jan 2016 | #13 |
Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:09 PM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
2. I think she's fine with the GOP running congress.
It will definitely make most of her donors happy.
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Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #2)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:14 PM
peacebird (14,195 posts)
3. There is that.
Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #2)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:17 PM
Lucky Luciano (10,997 posts)
4. It also allows her to more forcefully "stand" for something when she knows it can't pass. nt
Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #4)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:21 PM
TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)
6. Exactly. n/t
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:20 PM
mythology (9,527 posts)
5. So the guy running on the idea that in general Democrats
Aren't liberal enough, is going to spark people to vote for those same Democratic candidates? How does that work exactly?
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Response to mythology (Reply #5)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:22 PM
redstateblues (10,554 posts)
7. There are no down ballot Socialists
Candidates in swing states would be putting as much distance between themselves and Bernie.
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:23 PM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
8. Bernie is our big chance for Dems to defeat the GOP and take back much of Congress
Not to mention to throw-off the shackles & blinders of 3rd Way Corporatism for good.
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:57 PM
comradebillyboy (9,718 posts)
9. Will Bernie's revoloutionary supporters back establisment Democrats?
It seems that his supporters have nothing but contempt for elected Democratic politicians. They are the establisment after all. I don't think Bernie has any coat tails.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #9)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:34 PM
Babel_17 (5,400 posts)
12. Will establishment Democrats back Sanders on Social Security and trade?
If yes, then I can't imagine many Democrats voting for someone who doesn't, or third party. In 2016 winning will be more about motivated voters, and not as much about motivated big donors. Woe unto the candidate who doesn't see that reality affecting their chances.
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:58 PM
Ferd Berfel (3,687 posts)
10. HIllary's coat tails wil be eneggizing the right wing to come out and vote against her.
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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:26 PM
Babel_17 (5,400 posts)
11. That, and some R's crumbling and backing specific, popular, parts of what Sanders is running on
Expanding Social Security and Medicare aren't actually unpopular ideas among all Republican voters. Pound away on those issues and if some R's think it will keep them in office, they'll claim to be open to it. It's only a start to developing a wedge, but it is one way to get that going.
IIRC even the usually indefensible Huckabee said nice things about Social Security. OK, I just googled, and he did. National Review link, but that's what I get for googling Huckabee and Social Security. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee is setting out on a populist course in hopes of securing the Republican nomination for president in 2016. Among other things, he has come out against the next round of free-trade agreements. He also wants to be seen as the GOP defender of middle-class entitlement programs. In announcing his candidacy, he said, “If Congress wants to take away someone’s retirement, let them end their own congressional pensions — not your Social Security.” Right, so arguably there's some kind of wedge, on a few issues, that can be driven. Many Republican voters don't like our free trade agreements and Sanders has credibility on that issue. This can help us if our candidates for the House and Senate stick with Sanders on that. Many of these Republicans, and most are older, take more than a passing interest in Social Security. Sanders has credibility in preserving it, and our down-ticket candidates can benefit by being on Sanders side on this. We need to force these issues, and with credibility. Just giving them a nod in our platform is not nearly enough. |
Response to Odin2005 (Original post)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
Uncle Joe (54,878 posts)
13. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Odin.
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