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Art Garfunkel Net Worth: 45 MILLION (Original Post) boston bean Jan 2016 OP
And his top supporters are uber-rich capitalists Ben and Jerry. DanTex Jan 2016 #1
I thought all successful people were evil oligarchs redstateblues Jan 2016 #4
You thought wrong. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #75
The point is that these rich guys are volunteering to pay more taxes.... Human101948 Jan 2016 #53
So are the wealthy people who support Hillary, since she is proposing to raise taxes on the wealthy. DanTex Jan 2016 #65
not the hedge fund people Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #78
Soros is a hedge fund person. DanTex Jan 2016 #80
let's see the speeches she gave Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #83
I'll put you down for "no evidence". Not surprising. DanTex Jan 2016 #84
I will not support Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #91
The problem is that Hillary only says she's going to Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #177
Ihave a simile hollysmom Jan 2016 #69
Exactly. +1,000,000 Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #147
"Volunteering to pay more taxes". Not so much. oasis Jan 2016 #152
So, you're against ice cream karynnj Jan 2016 #70
Umm, I was being ironic. I like ice cream. DanTex Jan 2016 #71
You do understand the difference between Ben, Jerry and Jamie Dimond, don't you? pangaia Jan 2016 #114
Well, there are a lot of differences. DanTex Jan 2016 #118
you are gonna need a ladder to get out of that rabbit hole questionseverything Jan 2016 #129
There's also the difference that Ben and Jerry have never screwed over workers or entire countries Ken Burch Jan 2016 #131
It's funny that you call Dimon Hillary's "bff." Just another example of how detached Bernie DanTex Jan 2016 #134
And did so out of pure goodness. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #138
Of course, because supporting Bernie is an act of "pure goodness." DanTex Jan 2016 #139
It is. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #143
In your opinion. In Trump's opinion, supporting Trump is an act of pure goodness. DanTex Jan 2016 #149
Trust me.. pangaia Jan 2016 #87
Oh no! The Evil Ben and Jerry...I thiught Bernie was a commie who hates success Armstead Jan 2016 #97
I think the term is "champagne socialist". DanTex Jan 2016 #99
I think the term is successful people who are also decent human beings Armstead Jan 2016 #102
So it's OK as long as they support Bernie. DanTex Jan 2016 #104
Your usual bullshit Armstead Jan 2016 #106
Seems to be the yardstick when it comes to HRC supporters. Or Hillary herself, for that DanTex Jan 2016 #107
Hillary is a decent human being Armstead Jan 2016 #111
It's different if you support a candidate who backs the people instead of the rich. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #117
You're talking about the GOP. Both Hillary and Bernie back the people. DanTex Jan 2016 #119
Why are you so obsessed with rehabbing rich folks who back HRC? Ken Burch Jan 2016 #121
Just pointing out hypocrisy. DanTex Jan 2016 #123
There is no hypocrisy. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #125
Of course there is. Rich people who don't back Bernie get bashed, rich people who back Bernie DanTex Jan 2016 #132
It's different when a rich person puts their self-interest second. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #126
if you are rich and support hc questionseverything Jan 2016 #133
Quite the opposite. Supporting Hillary means improving the healthcare system, DanTex Jan 2016 #136
the aca was pretty much exactly what hc campaigned on in 08 questionseverything Jan 2016 #156
If I won a lottery worth $200 million dollars, would I be SamKnause Jan 2016 #2
hmmmmmm.... I know all the millionaires who support Bernie are just different boston bean Jan 2016 #3
Hi. SamKnause Jan 2016 #9
Art Garfunkel didn't win the lottery.. Why are you asking me this? boston bean Jan 2016 #10
I want you to clarify what part of the establishment means to you. SamKnause Jan 2016 #16
Well, I guess I would need to know yours, cause everyone else but bernies millionaires seem to fall boston bean Jan 2016 #21
If you have political clout because of your wealth. SamKnause Jan 2016 #26
They are just the evil 1% enabling the establishment to keep screwing us over, right? boston bean Jan 2016 #28
wealthy people DO have political clout hfojvt Jan 2016 #154
Getting rich as a musician isn't the same as getting rich by exploiting people. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #124
yes, they become part of the establishment over time. MariaThinks Jan 2016 #94
Any idea what those ratio's are? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #62
I would just say... quickesst Jan 2016 #8
You think lottery winners have access SamKnause Jan 2016 #13
Really? quickesst Jan 2016 #66
I guess I am naive. SamKnause Jan 2016 #74
I don't think you're the oddball out... quickesst Jan 2016 #158
What does that have to do with the OP? mcar Jan 2016 #11
They must have come up with this new meme at their morning meeting. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #31
This is what the newspaper looks like in the bottom of the bird cage. nt artislife Jan 2016 #145
Sigh. You are misinformed, uninformed or playing games. cali Jan 2016 #5
And here I thought I was talking the right lingo! nt boston bean Jan 2016 #6
Lingo? Lol. cali Jan 2016 #17
slingo??? boston bean Jan 2016 #19
Okay, now you seem intent on embarrassing yourself. Go to it. cali Jan 2016 #23
Thanks for your permission.. nt boston bean Jan 2016 #24
:-) Well said. riversedge Jan 2016 #27
Always. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #48
All three, actually. Wilms Jan 2016 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #12
Hello ~ Stoolbend In_The_Wind Jan 2016 #108
Yep. RiverLover Jan 2016 #18
Coo coo ca choo Mrs Robinson Fumesucker Jan 2016 #14
Art Garfunkel = the establishment? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #15
They don't want to know the difference, scottie... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #54
Definitions mean nothing, it's truly bizarre. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #56
Being in Congress for how many years? Having your family work for you? Having your wife benefit? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #60
LMAO! I rest my case! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #63
........ polly7 Jan 2016 #73
#berniesotablishment he does his own laundry! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #76
They really don't have anything at all compelling against him, do they? polly7 Jan 2016 #81
Nope, that's why they have to manufacture smears. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #85
OK. Got it. Successful people who support HRC-Evil redstateblues Jan 2016 #159
This is what you've actually "got": beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #160
.......... boston bean Jan 2016 #77
Not like S&G run Bechtel Corp. or sell Junk Bonds. This meme is insipid leveymg Jan 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author leveymg Jan 2016 #22
deserves twice that for serving up the soundtrack of this campaign reddread Jan 2016 #25
Such a beautiful song... SMC22307 Jan 2016 #86
$45 M delivers the 1%'s newspapers and shines their shoes underpants Jan 2016 #29
$45M does that, huh? Are they hiring? DanTex Jan 2016 #68
This may not be the stupidest post I've ever seen but it's right up there tularetom Jan 2016 #30
I know... How could have I ever come to that conclusion! LOL boston bean Jan 2016 #32
Seriously. polly7 Jan 2016 #89
Despicable IGNORE - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #33
He's got a ways to go before matching Hillbot $200M Katy Perry. closeupready Jan 2016 #34
Thanks for this! LOL boston bean Jan 2016 #35
Well that's just poor compared to the Clintons. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #36
Ignorance is forgivable elias49 Jan 2016 #37
You're right! nt boston bean Jan 2016 #38
And to think we all fought Bush together. Gregorian Jan 2016 #39
Sniff. Is that smell desparation? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #40
I love the smell of flop sweat in the morning Fumesucker Jan 2016 #120
LOL Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #150
Oh, you didn't go there! ucrdem Jan 2016 #41
This is another demonstration of someone who has never listened... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #42
Art should give up 44 M of those earnings in taxes, is that what you are saying? boston bean Jan 2016 #43
Art should give $44 million to Hillary then? elias49 Jan 2016 #45
Why would you think I said THAT? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #46
Is Art a member of the 1%? boston bean Jan 2016 #50
I don't think she gets it. polly7 Jan 2016 #72
I don't either, polly.... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #101
You're a good soul. polly7 Jan 2016 #105
Thanks, polly! MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #110
I could never serve as you did in any political or community leader position. polly7 Jan 2016 #122
Bernie is not against people making money, its about fairness. trash this tread is an easy one litlbilly Jan 2016 #44
I'm about to do that, based on the ridiculous nature of arguments from these posters... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #47
I hear ya. It just shows their desperation, they got nothing. litlbilly Jan 2016 #51
Actually, they DO.... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #57
He should only be licensing music from starving artists KingFlorez Jan 2016 #49
"Fools" said I, "you do not know, Silence like a cancer grows" Sunlei Jan 2016 #52
This is ridiculous karynnj Jan 2016 #55
Actually, not sad at all. boston bean Jan 2016 #58
I'll take Rep. Lewis, Gwen Carr, Sybrina Fulton, Lucia McBath, Gabby Giffords, Dolores Hueta's lunamagica Jan 2016 #88
If you do not understand the difference between Art Garfunkel and Jamie Dimon, pangaia Jan 2016 #59
^^^^^^ Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #79
+100 Armstead Jan 2016 #100
He earned it honestly with his own hard work and talent. What's the problem? nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #61
+1 (NT) Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #64
Stupid post. Here's what I think about that... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #67
What a crock. Fail. Wealth does not disqualify one for agreeing that there is income libdem4life Jan 2016 #82
SUCK OF THE DAY! Ron Green Jan 2016 #90
That's what he said. demmiblue Jan 2016 #96
Thanks for posting Gothmog Jan 2016 #92
Is he trying to get corporate or billionaire welfare, etc.? No of course not.n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #93
Paul Simon gives back in a very big real way karynnj Jan 2016 #95
Your distortions are astounding sometimes Armstead Jan 2016 #98
This is dumbest thing I've ever read whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #103
You know, I'm getting very tired of Clinton supporters assuming we are complete morons. jeff47 Jan 2016 #109
I'm actually coming to enjoy the desperation they exhibit Fumesucker Jan 2016 #142
I couldn't have said it Aerows Jan 2016 #164
+1 SixString Jan 2016 #170
So now we're throwing Artie under the bus? Ken Burch Jan 2016 #112
I guess this means tha Bernie is even making head roads into the top 1% awake Jan 2016 #113
Before Sanders' "America" ad, did you even know who Art Garfunkel was? SMC22307 Jan 2016 #115
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #116
Bernie's distortions that all rich people are bad has come back to bite him. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #127
Put up or...... cali Jan 2016 #130
What a crock. Did you get that POS talking point in your daily email? nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #135
No, the distortions you express are right wing nonsense Armstead Jan 2016 #137
You do know that people in the poorest countries RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #141
Man, some of you Hillbots are losing your fucking shit spectacularly. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #128
^^^This. artislife Jan 2016 #148
Wait until Hillary loses a couple of actual primaries Fumesucker Jan 2016 #162
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #140
Sunday morning funnies? artislife Jan 2016 #144
identical to right wing attacks Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #146
Wow no wonder he is a Bernie supporter! workinclasszero Jan 2016 #151
Remember "The Mummy" when the scientist goes mad and laughs closeupready Jan 2016 #153
Just Wow Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #155
Oh it is silly season for sure. Newsflash Boston Bean, Simon & Garfunkle ain't Goldman Sachs bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #157
Paul Simon is worth considerably more, why go after Art? Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #161
LMAO! This is hilarious! R B Garr Jan 2016 #163
This is better than any comedy routine. Bonobo Jan 2016 #165
LOL! Is the latest: smearing Art Garfunkell??? Bernblu Jan 2016 #166
SIMON AND GARFUNKEL GO UNDER THE BUS! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #169
THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THIS IS SAYING R B Garr Jan 2016 #176
Demi Lovato net worth: 20 Million Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #167
45 million isn't one percent. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #168
I think that moniker for the billionaires has a %# at less than .001 nolabels Jan 2016 #171
Some families are worth trillions. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #173
Well maybe you might get some scared enough to run from it but that does not solve the problem nolabels Jan 2016 #175
It's true. Garfunkel has special access to the Sanders campaign... Orsino Jan 2016 #172
The Clinton's net worth - $111 million wavesofeuphoria Jan 2016 #174

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. And his top supporters are uber-rich capitalists Ben and Jerry.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

A couple guys who made a fortune selling ice cream to a country with an obesity epidemic.

You can only imagine if those two introduced Hillary at her campaign kickoff speech.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
53. The point is that these rich guys are volunteering to pay more taxes....
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jan 2016

Something you rarely hear from the Wall Street banksters and corporate crooks.

Artie or Ben and Jerry could impoverish themselves and donate all their money to the government (as I have often heard right wingers demanding) but it would be a futile gesture, a momentary blip on the radar screen.

However, if we have a system where all rich people pay more taxes than they do now, we just may be able to have some things we ream about now and pay down some debt that has been created by outrageous tax cuts for the wealthy.

How many of Hillary's wealthy supporters are calling for higher taxes on their incomes? That's a serious question, because there may be some.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
65. So are the wealthy people who support Hillary, since she is proposing to raise taxes on the wealthy.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

Of course, that doesn't stop Hillary bashers from demonizing them solely because they are wealthy. Warren Buffett (I have no idea who he supports) has proposed higher taxes on the wealthy. The "Buffett rule" was his idea. George Soros is routinely demonized (I don't know who he supports either), and he's been very vocal about believing that he and other rich people should pay more taxes.

And so on.

The real question is are there any wealthy supporters of Hillary's who don't think that there should be higher taxes on the wealthy. Can you think of any?

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
177. The problem is that Hillary only says she's going to
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

raise taxes on the wealthy. But her actions speak louder than her words. She proposes raising taxes on the rich while accepting millions in speaking fees from wall st. firms. Saying it and meaning it are two different things.

Obama also said he would rein in wall st., and look how that turned out.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
69. Ihave a simile
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jan 2016

My youngest brother and his wife knew my husband and I earned more than they did and we were generous with gifts to their kids, but the wife got the idea I should just give them money because they wanted it. I put up with listening to her for years, but when my brother got a large settlement for asbestos exposure and they bought a 50 inch TV 20 years ago when it costs more than a lot for people without a pot to piss in, I realized that I had a toilet I could throw money in and flush and no longer needed to give them anything.

give money to corporatists to help people = flushing money down the toilet. It would mean another tax break for the rich, a lot like the balanced budget at the end of the Clinton admin, went into Bushes tax break for the rich, no matter what the complaints about the deficit.

oasis

(49,338 posts)
152. "Volunteering to pay more taxes". Not so much.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

Uber rich supporters of Bernie knew the score before they threw in with him. They get to look "cool" and "with it" by supporting the "leftist" of the left Democrat, with full knowledge of Hillary's
inevitably.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
70. So, you're against ice cream
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jan 2016

I know someone who worked for Ben and Jerry's when it was a young company in Burlington . Everything she says speaks of the type of respect for workers that we would want in all companies. By the way, it is entirely possible to eat any ice cream - even Ben and Jerrys - and still have a healthy diet. Every year, B & J in Burlington has a long line of people waiting to get their free cone on the company's anniversary.

Ben and Jerry have supported financially and verbally many many progressive, liberal efforts for years. Either would have been a major catch -- but I doubt HRC would have allotted them the honor of introducing her at her rally - it would not have satisfied any of the campaign team's planned optics.

They WERE Bernie's friends for decades.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
71. Umm, I was being ironic. I like ice cream.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016

Just pointing out that, while super-rich people routinely get bashed here, apparently being super-rich isn't so bad if you're a Bernie supporter.

Ben and Jerry seem like great guys. Good for Bernie for having them as friends for decades. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy -- two of Bernie's apparently close friends are worth upwards of $100M each. When Hillary has even acquaintances like that, it's bash bash bash.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
118. Well, there are a lot of differences.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

For example, Hillary is nowhere near as close with Dimon as Bernie is with Ben and Jerry.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
131. There's also the difference that Ben and Jerry have never screwed over workers or entire countries
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

like HRC's bff Dimon has.

Ben and Jerry have never done anything negative to anyone(other than inadvertently raising the cholesterol levels of people who eat too much of their products).

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
134. It's funny that you call Dimon Hillary's "bff." Just another example of how detached Bernie
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jan 2016

fans have gotten from reality. Ben and Jerry introduced Bernie at his first campaign event, there's simply no comparison.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
138. And did so out of pure goodness.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jan 2016

Rich people who back HRC do so because they know she will put their class first...that's what "pragmatic" is code for.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
139. Of course, because supporting Bernie is an act of "pure goodness."
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jan 2016

LOL. It's weird how you seem to think you have such insight into Hillary supporters.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
143. It is.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jan 2016

You have no reason to be belaboring this. It's not an injustice to point out the self-interest of rich people who back the rich people's candidate.

It's silly of you to act like rich HRC supporters are somehow victims here.

Why feel sorry for people who have everything?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
149. In your opinion. In Trump's opinion, supporting Trump is an act of pure goodness.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

I certainly don't feel sorry for Hillary's wealthy supporters. Again, I'm just pointing out the staggering hypocrisy in the assumption that Hillary's supporters are acting in self-interest, while Bernie's are acting out of "pure goodness."

Like I said, supporting Bernie is more likely to help them financially, since if he gets the nomination, the odds of the GOP winning shoot way up. The real selfless rich people are the ones supporting Hillary, because she can actually win, and after that, she will actually be able to raise taxes on the wealthy. Rich people supporting Bernie are just having fun because they won't personally be affected by a GOP presidency.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
87. Trust me..
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jan 2016

There is no way in hell Ben and Jerry would introduce Hillary Clinton at her campaign kickoff speeeeech.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
104. So it's OK as long as they support Bernie.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jan 2016

That seems to be the general theme. If you're rich and support Hillary, you're an evil 1%er, but supporting Bernie gives you a free pass.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
106. Your usual bullshit
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

It is okay for wealthy people who are decent human being to support Hillary. That is not the yardstick.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
111. Hillary is a decent human being
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

Just not as president.

As for hr supporters, it depends on how they make their money, what they do with their money, and the motivation for donating to Clinton -- actual belief or purchasing influence.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
117. It's different if you support a candidate who backs the people instead of the rich.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

None of the rich people who back HRC are taking that stand.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
121. Why are you so obsessed with rehabbing rich folks who back HRC?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

Of all the things you could care about, why THAT?

Or is the real argument here that Artie and Paul somehow owed HRC their support?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
125. There is no hypocrisy.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

To back Bernie is to act purely on ideals and to utterly renounce self-interest in the choice.

It's different when the rich guy got rich as an artist(which means no exploitation was involved) and is being, in effect,, a traitor to his class.

Artie isn't expecting Bernie to protect him from any and all sacrifice.

This thread was an absurd stretch in the service of the most conservative candidate in the race.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
132. Of course there is. Rich people who don't back Bernie get bashed, rich people who back Bernie
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

get lauded. It's hilarious. It's almost like a religious thing. Accept Bernie as your savior and everything is OK.

People who back Hillary also do it for the sake of ideals, obviously, and since nominating Bernie is the quickest way to a GOP presidency, they are the ones who are truly sacrificing personal wealth for the better of society.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
126. It's different when a rich person puts their self-interest second.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

Only the tiny handful of rich people who back Bernie do that.

No hypocrisy.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
133. if you are rich and support hc
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jan 2016

you support millions of people going without healthcare....which yes, seems evil to me

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
136. Quite the opposite. Supporting Hillary means improving the healthcare system,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jan 2016

and expanding access to more people. Supporting Bernie means either ushering in a GOP president or else keeping the status quo in place while wasting years trying to push a pipe dream through congress.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
156. the aca was pretty much exactly what hc campaigned on in 08
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

she is the embodiment of the out of touch politician...what she considers affordable for us is ridiculous

for the 55 plus set that pay 3 times as much for coverage the aca is undoable ...for a couple over 55 an 8% premium plus another 10% a piece for the out of pocket is 28%...working people do not have that kind of disposable income

we lost what should of been a permanent democratic majority in '10 because of the corporate sponsored ideas that hc campaigned on which were no public option,mandates and penalties

her idea to limit prescription costs to 250 bucks a month? still much too expensive and if that cap is subsidized then it is just another tax payer give away to big pharma

<shrugs>

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
2. If I won a lottery worth $200 million dollars, would I be
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jan 2016

part of the establishment ???

I think our definitions of what constitutes 'the establishment' differs.

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
3. hmmmmmm.... I know all the millionaires who support Bernie are just different
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jan 2016

than the all the other millionaires out there....

But any who don't support Bernie are just evil incarnate... OK.

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
21. Well, I guess I would need to know yours, cause everyone else but bernies millionaires seem to fall
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jan 2016

into a different category according to his supporters.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
26. If you have political clout because of your wealth.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

If you are the CEO of a corporation or organization that gives endorsements.

The owners of Wall Mart, Monsanto, Boeing, GM, etc.

The lobbyists for Wall Street, for the pharmaceutical corporations, for the MIC, and for the war profiteers.

Not all wealthy people are part of the establishment.



boston bean

(36,219 posts)
28. They are just the evil 1% enabling the establishment to keep screwing us over, right?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jan 2016

I mean, that is what I am hearing...

PP HRC Unions who endorse and help Hillary are also NOT establishment. Yet the candidate calls them that, and his supporters lap it up.

The POST was sarcasm btw. Sorry, you missed it.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
154. wealthy people DO have political clout
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

Once I got invited to a $500 per person fund raiser - for a Democrat.

That made me wonder - what kind of people can afford to give $500 to a candidate?

Not necessarily CEOs, but some fairly rich people, people making say, over $100,000 a year.

I tend to support tax increases on those kind of people. So the question is - if I am getting money from those people, am I likely to support increasing their taxes? Are they likely to keep supporting me if I do?

I think it is naive to discount the political clout of the 80th to 98th percentile. They have more income than the legendary 1%. They probably put themselves first in many ways - without even thinking about it. That's only human, after all.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
124. Getting rich as a musician isn't the same as getting rich by exploiting people.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

Simon and Garfunkel's success never once involved inflicting injustice on anybody.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
62. Any idea what those ratio's are?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

The millions who have supported him (hint: large... VERY LARGE number in the ratio) are just working class.

Any idea who the millionaire and billionaires or corporations are supporting HRC? Of course, we can't know that since Citizen's United. Gee...

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
8. I would just say...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jan 2016

.... that if a person did win 200 million dollars in the lottery, the odds are that he or she would soon be.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
13. You think lottery winners have access
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jan 2016

to political leaders, CEO's, Wall Street insiders, the MIC, etc. ???

I guess our definition of establishment differs.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
66. Really?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

According to many Bernie supporters, money is the root of all evil, because without money there is no influence. Who is to say that a person coming in to that kind of money would not use it to gain political favor? 200 million dollars would buy a great deal of it. With money comes power, and none but the naive would believe that most would not take advantage of it in some form or another.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
74. I guess I am naive.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

I dream of winning the lottery all the time.

I have been playing on and off since the 1980's.

I spent $1.00 on Tuesday and on Friday.

I have typed up a list of family members, friends, acquaintances,

and charities that I want to give to.

Never once, not once in all my years of dreaming have I ever dreamed

of attaining any kind of power.

Maybe I am the oddball out.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
158. I don't think you're the oddball out...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jan 2016

And I think there are many people with intentions similar to yours, but I also think there are many people including those with similar intentions who abuse their windfall once it is attained. Spreading money around for selfish gains and influence is something we don't often hear about.... because we're not supposed to know. Money changes a lot of people. As for winning a lottery, don't get me started. I dropped a few bucks on a wish and a prayer myself.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
31. They must have come up with this new meme at their morning meeting.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jan 2016

I hope HRC supporters are getting paid big $$. Cause they're certainly working overtime these days.

Response to Wilms (Reply #7)

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
54. They don't want to know the difference, scottie...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jan 2016

GO FIG-Yah! (It's a REAL dilemma that there WOULD be one)

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
60. Being in Congress for how many years? Having your family work for you? Having your wife benefit?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jan 2016

Yeah, that's Establishment.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
81. They really don't have anything at all compelling against him, do they?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

I bet Clinton's campaign headquarters if frustrated beyond belief that a completely honest, trustworthy man is running against her.

But ........... hmmm, maybe not. It does make for good, imaginative slander campaigns where anything goes and you can just throw all sorts of shit at the walls to see what might stick. Racism, sexism, his 'allegiance' to Israel, etc. etc. - this thread.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
85. Nope, that's why they have to manufacture smears.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

And you're right, that's why she's sending her surrogates after Bernie, she's panicking.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
159. OK. Got it. Successful people who support HRC-Evil
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jan 2016

Successful people who support Bernie-Good folks. Glad that BSS have sorted that out for us.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
20. Not like S&G run Bechtel Corp. or sell Junk Bonds. This meme is insipid
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jan 2016

There are those who earn their money and those who kill people for wealth. Hillary and the GOP want both to keep it and make more, so they'll make another war or two.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
25. deserves twice that for serving up the soundtrack of this campaign
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

so glad we were able to see them nearby with the Everly Bros.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
30. This may not be the stupidest post I've ever seen but it's right up there
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

I don't know jack shit about Art Garfunkels politics but I do know Sen Sanders asked him if he could use that song in an ad and he consented.

How the hell you can make a leap from that fact to your ridiculous statement that it proves that the 1% supports Bernie is beyond my comprehension.

You should count to 1000 before you post anymore drivel like that.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
42. This is another demonstration of someone who has never listened...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jan 2016

Whether Art Garfunkel acquires a net worth of $1 or $45 million isn't the issue. It's the fair distribution of any wealth, and why that has over the last 40 years been RE-DISTRIBUTED to the upper 1%?

I see you haven't listened to the message yet. It's there for you. You might stop your insults and false analogies long enough to listen to it.

Does the message offend you? Tell me that when you've actually listened to it.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
45. Art should give $44 million to Hillary then?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jan 2016

Bwahahaha!

Maybe Art will get as position in Hill's cultural attache?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
46. Why would you think I said THAT?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jan 2016

I believe you just said that, and now you should explain why.

See how this works? You don't make up things that I've said, and meanwhile explain the things that you've said. Are you going to play games? Are you all about non-sequiturs today?

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
50. Is Art a member of the 1%?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jan 2016

I guess my question came from your words:

It's the fair distribution of any wealth, and why that has over the last 40 years been RE-DISTRIBUTED to the upper 1%?


What should be done to be sure wealth is fairly distributed and should Art be a part of that?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
101. I don't either, polly....
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

But, I've decided over the last several weeks that I would follow suite as I do when I phone bank. I've gotten a sense of who is struggling out there, getting bashed over the head with endless corporately run TV ads. They then get a call from a real person, and there's a real sense of ... "huh?" there... If someone wants to engage me, I listen. They're being prodded to be scared to death. Let's hope whatever made them a Democrat will pull them through this endless advertising from the 1%.

I'm asking people here to do the same, almost fully understand that they don't wish to. I have to assume that it really hurts them now. I'm going through this with my own sister, who's reached the point in her support of HRC that she wants to turn everything off. She can't identify where the hate is coming from, but it is not coming from Bernie Sanders, for sure.

I'll at least I can try to have the decency to ask them to think. I'm not sure how long I can be that way. I notice that all the usual comments, when I respond to in this manner, are never answered. That tells me that it's very difficult for them.

They're going to need healing of some widening wounds they are inflicting upon themselves.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
105. You're a good soul.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

You're trying to help people sort out the reality of what so many are suffering and the confusion over what's caused it. Sanders points out in every speech exactly what's caused it but is never followed by the corporate run media that spews the same old propaganda it always has. I don't envy you for your hard work in trying to help others at least try to, as you say ... think - but I admire you greatly for it.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
110. Thanks, polly!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jan 2016

It's actually therapeutic for me. I ran a clean campaign myself and served honestly x 5 years as a councilwoman. The hate (almost constantly around me, believe it or not, mostly from Dems who didn't like my questioning wrong doing or cronyism) caused an internal evolution, so to speak.

I have grown a good skin around this one person's role in this campaign. Now it makes sense to me to go through that kind of shit in real life. It clarifies MUCH!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
122. I could never serve as you did in any political or community leader position.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

I wouldn't have the patience to put up with that kind of hate.

Sanders is very lucky to have people like you and I completely believe he's going to win!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
57. Actually, they DO....
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jan 2016

But, the authority jones is pretty strong.

They have to be told, and they lack doing the services of listening to the message. We have to be prepared for a LOT of mending after it's clear that ALL THIS deception .... ALL THIS POLITICALLY CONTROLLED corporate grabbing the established mouth pieces by the short hairs... It will not get anywhere, and there will be lots of wounds that have to be healed.

You knew that anyway, though.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
55. This is ridiculous
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jan 2016

The values that Paul Simon, in particular, has shown over a lifetime are good -- you are just sad that these two wonderful men aren't with Hillary like Demi Lovato.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
88. I'll take Rep. Lewis, Gwen Carr, Sybrina Fulton, Lucia McBath, Gabby Giffords, Dolores Hueta's
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

Endorsements over anyone who endorses Sanders

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
59. If you do not understand the difference between Art Garfunkel and Jamie Dimon,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jan 2016

there is nothing I can do to explain it.



 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
82. What a crock. Fail. Wealth does not disqualify one for agreeing that there is income
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

inequality...and is willing to join in? Are you kidding me? Maybe those who are not wealthy can not understand why those who are wealthy would like to see income inequality disturbed and made at least a bit more equal. It's not g oing to make him poor, but it will improve the life of a poor person who was not so blessed.

Does it makes this his music bad? ...similar knee jerk.

Remember, there are tons of voters who had been chided regularly for voting against their own needs. Those, we like to call Republicans.

Well, Art is intelligent, talented, socially conscious and fully aware that his needs can become more in line with the general population. Many give generously to Progressive causes. How someone can frame that as an "Aha...See There?" is beyond me.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
95. Paul Simon gives back in a very big real way
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

OVERVIEW: Paul Simon cofounded the Children's Health Fund (CHF), which donates and staffs mobile medical vans that bring health care to poor and indigent children in urban and rural locations around the United States. Simon has also raised funds for groups such as amfAR, The Nature Conservancy, Fund for Imprisoned Children in South Africa, Autism Speaks, and Joe Torre Safe At Home Foundation.

<snip>

ISSUES:

CHILDREN'S HEALTH FUND: Paul Simon and Dr. Irwin Redlener founded Children's Health Fund in 1987 after touring Martinique Hotel, a shelter for homeless families in New York City. The New York Children's Health Project was the first program in what would eventually become Children's Health Fund's national network of programs. The program began with one big blue bus, "a state-of-the-art mobile medical clinic that would bring care directly to those children with the least access." Over the years, Children's Health Fund has applied this formula across the country and provides care through innovative pediatric care programs and affiliates that serve children in poor communities across the country.

Children's Health Fund has also "campaigned in support of expanding health insurance coverage for low-income children, as well as public health programs that provide a critical safety net for millions of medically underserved children." In the 1990s, Children's Health Fund launched Kids First, Kids Now!, "a public education and advocacy campaign that focused national attention on the need for a true health care safety net for all of America’s children." The fund has also assistes those affected by natural disasters, including Hurricane Andrew, and more recently, Hurricane Katrina.

OTHER: Simon has also raised funds for outfits such as amfAR (which works in AIDS research), Nature Conservancy, Fund for Imprisoned Children in South Africa, Autism Speaks, and the Joe Torre Safe At Home Foundation, which aims to end the cycle of domestic violence.




http://www.insidephilanthropy.com/glitzy-giving/paul-simon.html

Ben and Jerry's has long donated a portion of their profits to charity - http://benandjerrysfoundation.org/

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
98. Your distortions are astounding sometimes
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jan 2016

First of all Bernie is not about punishing success or abolishing wealth. It is about shifting the balance that has become skewed towards the upper brackets at the expense of everyone else. That does not mean no one will be allowed to be wealthy under a Sanders administration.

Art made his money by writing and singing songs that a lot of peope have enjoyed over the years. He didn't make his mioney by screwing over workers, consumers, messing up the environment or skewing our laws and policies.

Third, I am pretty sure he is smart enough to realize that taxes might eat into his income somewhat, and he still gave his blessing. Being wealthy does not automatically make one a selfish jerk.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
109. You know, I'm getting very tired of Clinton supporters assuming we are complete morons.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jan 2016

Over and over again, their "gotcha!!!!" is as shallow and stupid as the one in this OP.

Most rich people being out to fuck over the 99% is not the same as all rich people being out to fuck over the 99%. You know this. Yet here you are, trying to claim the opposite because you think it's a wonderful "gotcha!!!".

Please stop pretending the rest of us are utter fucking morons. It is utterly insulting, and creates discord that will last LONG past the primaries.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
142. I'm actually coming to enjoy the desperation they exhibit
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

I mean everyone slows down and stares at the fatal car crash as the cops wave them by, few of us can resist the temptation to ogle something really hideous with horrified fascination.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
164. I couldn't have said it
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jan 2016

better myself.

And you are absolutely right that this will create discord that will last long past the primaries. Look at what happened in 2008. Many, many people have not gotten over the dirty tricks, racist comments, and outright lies Clinton spewed at President Obama.

I would imagine that there are more than a few Bernie Sanders supporters that resent her for that, too.


awake

(3,226 posts)
113. I guess this means tha Bernie is even making head roads into the top 1%
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

Soon 99.5% of America will come together for "the Bern" he is becoming unstoppable when even a 1%er backs him, that is the point of your OP right?

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
115. Before Sanders' "America" ad, did you even know who Art Garfunkel was?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

Based on the ignorance on display in the OP, I'm guessing not...

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
127. Bernie's distortions that all rich people are bad has come back to bite him.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

The far left has some hatred of wealth, yet they love smartphones, computers, cars, etc.....

Hypocrites.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
130. Put up or......
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie has fucking never said that crap.

You are a picture perfect hilly supporter. Honesty is dispensable. Just make stuff up blithely. Ugh. Sickening.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
141. You do know that people in the poorest countries
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

in Africa today have cell phones, they drive small cars, and have tablets, don't you?
Just because someone has an issue of the rich owning this country, does not mean that we do not want technology that could not be brought about without the workers, or the 99%.

If you love the rich so much, I suggest that you join the opposition to the Democratic Party. It is more where you belong.

We actual Democrats don't hate the wealthy, we just hate when the legally steal it from the rest of us, and want EVERYTHING!

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
128. Man, some of you Hillbots are losing your fucking shit spectacularly.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

You are really starting to embarrass yourselves.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

Roy Ellefson

(279 posts)
146. identical to right wing attacks
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

this attack is identical to what right wingers did to Al Gore and his support for environmental causes...or any wealthy person who supports truly progressive causes. Is this Free Republic?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
153. Remember "The Mummy" when the scientist goes mad and laughs
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

hysterically at lots of nothing, subsequent to witnessing the reanimation of Amenhotep's mummy?

Why am I reminded of that now?

Threadstarter is laughing at her own jokes now, and the parallels are scary.

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
155. Just Wow
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

Why are Clinton supporters trying to make this a class war? Bernie never said people shouldn't have wealth. He just said they should pay their fair share of taxes. Bernie never said we should denounce people who have wealth. Only stop the uber wealthy from buying elections, from scamming people through greedy Wall Street tactics, and to encourage wealthy business to pay taxes and fair wages instead of all profits going yo their CEO and exec management.

Democrats used to embrace those issues.

I don't know why it surprises me but it continuously does that some Clinton supporters seem to grasp onto the most simplistic things and make such blatantly silly and disingenuous statements.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
157. Oh it is silly season for sure. Newsflash Boston Bean, Simon & Garfunkle ain't Goldman Sachs
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

It is true that Simon and Garfunkle (Simon in particular) are rich. They made their money by creating music that people wanted to hear. They were the right group with the right music at the right time. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe they have some clout in the music industry but that's about it.

Saying that the wealthy should pay more in taxes is not exactly "From each according to his ability to each according to his needs."

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
161. Paul Simon is worth considerably more, why go after Art?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

Methinks you know nothing of their music. This is one helluva pant load.

Any credibility you may have once had has just blown out the door.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
166. LOL! Is the latest: smearing Art Garfunkell???
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

What a campaign tactic! Did David Brock approve? Perhaps, Hillary can run an ad in Iowa and NH. I don't think it would work because unlike your candidate, Art actually earned his wealth.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
176. THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THIS IS SAYING
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jan 2016

It is mocking the phony talking points about 1%ers since BS and his supporters have no problem hobnobbing with REALLY RICH people. As long as they support Bernie.

Another deceptive FAIL for you.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
167. Demi Lovato net worth: 20 Million
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:20 AM
Jan 2016

I leave it to the gentle reader to determine for themselves whether they believe Ms. Lovato's contributions to the universe of music and entertainment are really worth 44% of those of Art Garfunkel.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
171. I think that moniker for the billionaires has a %# at less than .001
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jan 2016

And as far as i can surmise that .001% are not the evil incarnate but rather the end result of a bad system that was built to get them there. This kind of thing has happened many times before so do we learn from it this time or have to keep it, tear it down, get angry at it or cogently figure out ways to just make it not work that way anymore? It's going to have to be our collective choice if it's going to change.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
175. Well maybe you might get some scared enough to run from it but that does not solve the problem
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

The structures that those billionaires dwell in some cases have been built over or a century or more. That in fact mucks up a lot of things. It is something that has to dealt with and that cannot be disassembled even with an assembled power with just a few notices. As a matter of fact that structure if it were to made less it will have to stay erected till any of it is replaced because all the money that is off shored. Placing an evil sign on something just makes it unapproachable and unsaleable to change

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
172. It's true. Garfunkel has special access to the Sanders campaign...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016

...and will push his infrastructure agenda of building bridges over troubled water.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
174. The Clinton's net worth - $111 million
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

Art's money is from being an artist, musician, etc.

The Clintons have been in "public service".

Corporate feminist just don't seem to get. Perhaps some intersectional feminists might enlighten them about the effects of oligarchy on women, POC, children. Until then, keep pushing these memes ...

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