Those Millennials? Not only will they vote, they've made

[cali]

themselves into a veritable army of volunteers

Every few days, I check out the subreddit Bernie for President. I've been impressed, not just about the enthusiasm and level of discourse, but the structure set up by the 24 year old kid who runs it. They've raised over 800 grand. Sanders announced on reddit and did a AMA; staffers do AMA's not infrequently.

I was just checking it out and I thought I'd post a couple of links:


https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/42g7ih/assembling_an_army_of_berners_to_reinforce/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/42lzld/make_no_mistake_bernie_is_not_winningfight_like/

And this reflects a lot of reddit Bernie supporters:

Even if bernie loses the primary, he should campaign for progressive democrats/greens/dem socialists all across the country. We need to parlay this primary season into a real liberal grassroots movement to take the democratic party back from the third way pro corporate democrats (i.n.o.)


Anyway, I highly recommend checking it out


https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/

[Jefferson23]

1. So encouraging, truly. I love where this is now and where it can go. K&R

[draa]

2. That's a great sign. Such enthusiasim.

K+R!!!

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[Odin2005]

4. Cue the Hillary supporters shitting on us Millennials...

...as "naive" and "unreliable".

[retrowire]

12. lol we millennials and our netflix and stuff. nt

[Fawke Em]

23. Don't forget how you can take 10 seconds and two clicks to vote in an online poll!

For some reason, that's especially hard for Clinton supporters!

[retrowire]

25. omg yeah

We're all so good at maintaining fluid IP addresses, clearing caches and deleting cookies that one of us can vote a total of 100 times a minute!

lol

[Betty Karlson]

49. Debbie took care of that: we are "complacent", remember? eom

[white_wolf]

66. My personal favorite is when they call us lazy and entitled..Makes me want to punch my computer.

[LiberalArkie]

5. I Love their domain. http://TheRevolutionStartsWith.us

[Le Taz Hot]

7. These are the same guys

that are organizing Californians to trek to Iowa this weekend to knock on doors for Bernie. But they won't show up to vote.

[Le Taz Hot]

6. I laugh my ass off

every time I hear the Hillary supporters claim that the millennials won't show up to vote. Riggghhhht. These guys are out there working their asses off campaigning, phone banking, hosting events, registering people to vote and donating and, after all that, they think the millennials won't show up to vote?

[Ichingcarpenter]

54. Millennials won't show up to vote

For Hillary by a 10 - 1 ratio but will show up to vote for Bernie
They think Hillary is a poser, and Bernie is the real deal.

Be sure to check out Hillary's redditt's forum it has just 2,000 subscribers.......... Bernie has 160,278 subscribers..........

That's the real deal.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

63. It looks that way, but she will still win the general if she wins the primary.

Of course, a big problem will be the seats in congress that will not be won if Sanders isn't in the general. I think some will still show up regardless, but a lot less and it will costs seats, IMHO.

[Fawke Em]

65. I don't think she would, to be honest.

There's next to no enthusiasm for her, Millennials won't show up and Independents can't stand her. I think she loses Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and Colorado.

Hard to win without getting any of those.

However, I do agree with you, absolutely, on the down-ticket races.

[hill2016]

8. about that level of discourse

show me where they have analyzed the costs of Sander's health care plan and free college plan?

Where have they thought about what kind of limitations (e.g. who qualifies, what is paid) these plans would have?

[cali]

9. I don't need it anymore than I need your Hillary's plans

for improving Obamacare- And she has nothing but vague generalities. No one expects, that if elected, he'd rush into trying to enact single payer. He's been quite clear that we need a sea change in Congress before that happens. They, like I, expect Sanders to fight against corporate control and influence, riddling our politics.

[hill2016]

14. so basically

there hasn't been any critical analysis of Sander's plans or stump speech?

Why then do you say there's a high level of discourse? Everyone agreeing with one another isn't "high level of discourse".

[cali]

22. Your deliberate obtuseness has reached the point of performance art

And you have the rather sad habit of making uninformed pronouncements. It's clear you have no knowledge of the discourse or activities there. All this makes having an informed or intelligent exchange with you, damned hard.

And you have an ugly double standard.

[hill2016]

26. why don't

you point me to a substantive discussion of any of Sander's major platform positions on Reddit?

[cali]

27. Are you that obtuse?

I find it impossible to have an honest, intelligent conversation with you. You filter out what you don't want to discuss. You go off on tangents. You don't appear to understand fairly clear responses.

In other words, discussion with you is a Sisyphean task.

I'm done.

[hill2016]

31. you're the one who said

you're impressed by the level of discourse which usually means critical analysis.

I just wantedd to know what is this level of discourse that has impressed you so much...

[fbc]

41. Are you what they call a false flag?

Like someone who only pretends to be a Hillary supporter in order to make Hillary supporters look bad?

[VulgarPoet]

61. I thought the term for that was either "agent provocateur" or "poe"

poe being shorthand for "parody or extremist"

[pangaia]

33. You know, you are absolutely right.

None of it will ever work. Nobody has figured out any of it.
It just can't be done.

Lets just fuck it all.

I'll just go back and see if I have any notifications on FB.

[Autumn]

38. Sander's health care and college plans are free. Did ya forget?

JFK: "Let's go to the moon!". Sanders: "free college free health care!"
JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."
Sanders: "Ask what you can get from your country!

"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511061225

[Odin2005]

44. Policy wonks have been analyzing how Single Payer would work in the US for decades.

I doubt Sanders pulled his college tuition plan out of his ass, either.

And That is the point. Any "analysis" that is outside the conventional thinking of the Establishment Bubble (that is, "ideology" in the Marxist sense of the word) does not exist in the minds of Clinton supporters.

[hill2016]

45. yeah

but policy wonks and commentators like Ezra Klein and Paul Krugman say that Bernie single payer plan doesn't add up in terms of the numbers.

And Sander's high frequency tax won't raise nearly as much money as he wants it to to pay for free public college tuition.

[libdem4life]

48. What's Robert Reich? Chopped Liver? Whatever you want to call it, health care for all

is a Democratic Value.

Not NOPE. Too Hard. Won't Work. Can't do it. Can't afford it. Oh, and I'm fairly sure everyone that disses it "already has theirs". That is a Republican value...I've got mine...sucks to be you.

[jwirr]

10. I love their idea for campaigning for down ticket candidates.

[cali]

13. Yeah, these guys are on it for the long haul

[jwirr]

19. I have started a list of candidates on the down ticket that I

will be donating to. Whenever I see someone has donated to Bernie they go on it.

[Volaris]

21. They saw what happened to their gen-x parents,

And the Internet and social media provided them an alternate platform to traditional forms of broadcast propaganda.

They grew up in an age where military conflict has serious consequences, and who gives 2 fucks if the neighbor is a lesbian if the bills aren't paid cause the interest on the house, credit card, car AND student loan are all 20%.

This the non-violent revolution that Democracy PROMISES us, and our job as their parents and grandparents is to facilitate, NOT HINDER, their acceptance of the responsibility that they're the ones that will save the world.

If we don't facilitate that energy, it will be out of fear of losing political power that we (mostly) took a generational pass on anyway.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. If Hillary wins the FIRST thing that will happen is a PURGE of Liberals from the Party.

[zentrum]

20. I agree.

It will start right after the primaries. She's 3rd Way and they have always regarded the liberal wing of the Democratic party as the worst nuisance.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. I know,...they can't be bribed.

[zentrum]

35. Haha. True!

[dflprincess]

36. No - not until after the election

up until then she'll throw us a few verbal crumbs (that will promptly be forgotten after the election). As much as it pains the Third Way, they know they need us in November.

If she wins they purge us; if she loses they blame us and purge us. Never mind that liberals tend to be the most reliable voters in terms of working for candidates, showing up to vote and voting for the Democratic candidates.

[zentrum]

42. That's true. We're

…the worker bees.

Will not be able to work for her however. Will vote but it's impossible to go door to door for the status quo and for those who are undermining Democratic Party values from within.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Yep.

[zentrum]

15. It's such an insult to

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Millennials to say they won't vote. Are too frivolous to show up.

They don't care about college debt?
Or global warming?
Or BLM?
Or LGBT rights?
Or equal pay for women?

They care about the future as much as Boomers.

Millennials weren't born or were very young when the Clintons were in charge so all they really know is the two candidates right now. And in comparing them as they appear side by side right now—it's clear that Bernie is the more trustable one.

[Le Taz Hot]

53. "They care about the future more than Boomers because they'll be living in it longer."

Careful . . . the Boomers are right there with you. Divide and conquer is what the other side does. Bringing people together is what the Bernie campaign is all about.

LTH,
Acivist, bleeding-heart, bed-wetting liberal since 1968. and I'm Bernie all the way

[zentrum]

55. Good point.

I fixed it!

[jalan48]

17. They see the lack of a future for themselves and their kids.

Having a woman as President isn't enough for them. They have a lot of years left to vote and they know it will happen in their lifetime. A lot of older boomers want it to happen now so they can see it take place. I can't blame them but there's too much at stake to vote for a Wall Street cheerleader just because she happens to be a woman.

[WillyT]

18. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[redstateblues]

29. Let's check back when the midterms roll around

That's when it really counts. Nothing changes until we win back the state houses and and then Congress

[LiberalCatholic]

28. Think back to the enthusiasm of the Baby Boomers.

We may be seeing that in this campaign.

[BeanMusical]

32. Kick and R

[OxQQme]

43. Love your shoes Bean /eom

[libdem4life]

58. Took me a minute...LOL.

[hughee99]

34. Is it just me or does it seem like every 4 years we hear

"This time, THIS TIME, the young people are going to show up in big numbers and really make a difference!" And then after the election, when it doesn't happen, pundits pretend like it was no surprise they didn't show.

I'd love to see it happen, but I'm not buying it right now.

[cali]

37. You realize they showed up in 2008, right?

That isn't so long ago

[Mbrow]

39. also occupy did not disappear

they quietly started doing other things like this thing on reddit and other places. Our local UU minister (an activist from way back) keeps in touch with a bunch of the people from occupy in our area and a lot of them are working for Bernie now.

[hughee99]

46. Not in the numbers they were projecting at the beginning, but yes,

it has been trending in a good direction. The problem is, the "youth" vote from 2008 is now older, so it's a constantly moving target.

[Betty Karlson]

51. No: every 4 years after the election, the elite doesn't WANT to hear us anymore.

And this time, they are going to find out that ignoring isn't a one-way street.

[arikara]

40. Millennials

made the difference in the Canadian election. They were instrumental in getting rid of our wingnut Harper, and electing a bright young PM who was a teacher instead of lawyer or economist. Hillary underestimates them at her peril.

[Betty Karlson]

50. Hillary only wants us for window-dressing.

All her platform screams: status quo. And Millennials feel very uncared for within the status quo.

[VulgarPoet]

62. Her platform is "kneel to the corporate overlords"

which is something most millennials i know refuse to do

[Babel_17]

47. The press will notice if they come through at the caucuses

It's something of a gauge for commitment to the process.

[MuseRider]

52. Thanks cali.

It is so amazing to witness on this site the Hope vs Nope campaigns.

Millennials are certainly not thinking things through or even bothering to investigate, all they see is the word FREE! Run for the hills people, they are showing up to take over from what we did when we were their age! I think I remember hearing the very same things when we were trying to move the country to a more equal and peaceful place.

At 62 I thought I would have become like those we fought against then, isn't that how it is supposed to happen? That is my NOPE.

As a country we have HOPE and that is the true motivator to be a better, more equal nation.

[llmart]

59. I am the quintessential baby boomer......

born after WWII back in the '40's and I'm here to agree with you that I am just as liberal now as I was back then. I am not underestimating the millennials. I saw my first Bernie bumper sticker in my area and a youngish guy got out of the car. I was thrilled to see that.

A lot of people my age have given up on politics and are focusing on their last decades/years of life. I used to live and breathe the news, but not so much any more. This is true of many of my neighbors and friends who are my age. They'll still vote (maybe) but don't have the passion they used to. That's normal. So, it really is up to younger people to take control of the process and steer the country in the direction they want it to go for the rest of their lifetimes. They have so much more time left than my generation does.

I hope they come out in droves and vote progressively.

[MuseRider]

60. It is so encouraging isn't it?

To see them get involved and excited after so much disinterest. Hell, I have not been really engaged for a very long time. Issues yes, but elections? I am a bit tired of writing in, "someone who will use peace as an organizing principle" but there it is. I believe in this campaign. I truly believe in it.

It is amazing to finally see a group of young people really become involved. I love Occupy, BLM and this campaign. I am so excited to be the old person in the group. It is refreshing to hear them and listen to them hash through ideas. A group of them organized a fund raiser to purchase a billboard for Bernie. They have just gotten the money needed and are now finalizing the way it will look. It makes me really happy.

[farleftlib]

56. That was refreshing

Thanks for the links.

[MgtPA]

57. Those kids just broke $1 Million in donations, with 37,365 contributions!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/42sdfp/rsandersforpresident_broke_1_million_in_donations/

[Luciferous]

64. I'm a millennial and I will be caucusing for Bernie in IA. It's really insulting that people think

we can't be bothered to get off our butts and vote.