Official Iowa Presidential Forum Thread 1 - Bernie Sanders

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Bernie Sanders thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1066052
Hillary Clinton thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511066758

[elleng]

1. THANKS, Renew Deal!

[Renew Deal]

2. You're welcome.

Someone had to.

[femmocrat]

3. Thank you!

I'm already annoyed at the moderator for asking Bernie if he is "up to the job"! Is he supposed to say "no"?

[Gregorian]

4. FEEL

[Gregorian]

5. THE

[Gregorian]

6. BERN

[MissDeeds]

10. Love Bernie!!!!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. Chill

[aikoaiko]

226. Feel the Bern and Chill.

As the kids say.

[firebrand80]

8. Bernie conducting his imaginary orchestra as usual nt

[Armstead]

206. I've seen Hllary do her share of conducting -- and finger pointing

[liberalnarb]

239. In what way does Bernie have an "imaginary orchestra" ?

[firebrand80]

243. his arm movements when he speaks

It looks to me like he's conducting an orchestra

[liberalnarb]

244. Hillary seems to be imitation President Obama with her hand movements.

[2pooped2pop]

247. At least the band plays the right song when he's the conductor

[liberalnarb]

242. I see Hillary pandering to the rethugs again.

[Punkingal]

9. Bernie did a good job describing what Democratic Socialism means to him.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

223. Yes

[ucrdem]

11. "Corrupt campaign finance system allowing SuperPacs to spend millions"

Right, like Rove's AmericanCrossroads SuperPac, which has been spending millions to develop anti-Clinton messages. But he didn't mention that.

[Fawke Em]

32. Because it doesn't involve him.

That said, he means we should get rid of ALL SuperPACs. What's not to understand?

[ucrdem]

41. It benefits him. He's also in them.

Go to AmericanCrossroads-dot-org and enjoy a déjà vu moment.

[2pooped2pop]

248. We all are anticipating the big deja vu moment of this primary

You know, the one where everything is snatched away from Hillary as the people see right through her.

[artislife]

120. Lets wait to hear h defend her SuperPacs. nt

[INdemo]

159. She did ..She gets less than 3% from corpoate funding and 60% from women.

She lied

[Joe Shlabotnik]

204. Bet ya the question never comes up. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

12. Wow, Bernie just said his plan would raise taxes. nt

[Fawke Em]

40. And reduce costs for the average family by $5,000.

Try it out: https://valadian.github.io/SandersHealthcareCalculator/

I am one of the lucky few who does not pay health insurance premiums (but I do have high co-pays and deductibles) as a perk from my company, I would STILL save nearly $1,000 a year and my company would save about $9,000.

[Duckhunter935]

44. and end private premiums for individuals and businesses

Resulting in overall savings. Forgot that little part, lol

[marlakay]

72. You know they did that so ads can say

He is raising taxes and wont mention second part.

[trueblue2007]

240. BERNIES PLAN WILL KILL MY HUBBY AND MYSELF

[Renew Deal]

13. Bernie is doing a great job explaining what the increased taxes will be for

Ending private insurance premiums and corporate taxes

[ProudToBeLiberal]

14. Bernie is just repeating stuff from his stump speech.

It might wrk for a debate format, but it doesn't look god in a town hall etting.

[Gregorian]

17. Yes, but with the exception of it's degree of importance.

[firebrand80]

23. Not necessarily a bad thing

Sticking to your talking points like glue can work

I can damn near answer these questions for him, and I don't even listen to him all that much.

[Fawke Em]

49. He's fine.

At least he doesn't talk down to people like some other, ahem, candidates.

And, he's being very personable, joking about gaining weight, winning votes and mugging with the audience.

[Samantha]

173. Of course it does work well in the townhall format

This is not a debate. Sanders is repeating his position on issues in the same manner as he does while campaigning because in many, many cases this is the first time people are hearing his ideas. He is introducing himself for the first time to thousands of people, and this is how he says, this is who I am.

Sam

[Gregorian]

15. Pretty good questions.

Great answers.

[Renew Deal]

16. More substantive than the debates so far.

[ecstatic]

31. yep. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. Hey Chris Cuomo... shut the FUCK up. Read the questions and STOP EDITORIALIZING.

[AtomicKitten]

25. He is really awful.

[AtomicKitten]

95. Oh look. He aired her ad in his segment.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

205. +100 n/t

[Duckhunter935]

47. yes he is

Bet he will not do that to Hillary

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Oh you know he won't!

[book_worm]

19. I respect Bernie for conceding that taxes will need to be raised, but

how will that work in the general election? Other candidates who said that taxes needed to be raised or who later raised them after pledging not to (Bush I) were defeated? Can Bernie overcome this?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

24. Yeah, I was pretty shocked that he just came and aid he would raise taxes.

How is that going to work in swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida?

[Duckhunter935]

50. yes lying is so much better

[Samantha]

180. It will work great when people learn the government takes those taxes

instead of people paying premiums to health insurance companies, netting an average of savings of $5,000.
Who wouldn't like that?

Sam

[Renew Deal]

27. Obama did it

He promised tax hikes and won big

[rufus dog]

70. Shhhhhhhh

Don't let facts get in the way

[Punkingal]

20. "I demand that Wall Street pay their fair share of taxes."

[ecstatic]

28. Moderator raised a good point. Speculation on wall street would decrease, which means

revenue / taxes based on speculation wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of some of his proposed programs.

[cali]

39. How do we know it would decrease?

[ecstatic]

48. Because they'll move on to another money making / headache free scheme? nt

[Fawke Em]

75. Headaches?

How?

Just add an automated algorithm to the transaction. That's what we have computers and computer programmers for.

[INdemo]

186. that would never happen

Speculation will never end because that is the financial market at work..good or bad.
Investors will lose money today with speculation or bet on the makets to do down..that is the way it works..
They make millions with the market rising and then make millions on that same market going down..

there has always been always will be speculation in the Market place.

[JackRiddler]

245. It would definitely decrease and that's a good thing.

Models of financial transaction taxes take into account that there will be about half as many deals as a result. Basically you'll be cutting all these extreme short term arbitrage deals where the fuckers are trying to clear a quarter percent in an hour or a microsecond, and lots of other bullshit besides.

[livetohike]

21. He's not good at one on one interactions. He looks mean and preachy. N/t

[Gregorian]

30. He comes off that way here. I think he's nervous as hell. And curmudgeonly looking. Go Bernie!

[roguevalley]

154. wow. what's next? 'crusty old Jew' like someone already said on list?

[pangaia]

177. Let them spew whatever they like.

I love the crusty old Jew.

[roguevalley]

182. Me too, pangaia and so would my yiddisha great granny, Minerve Schlegelmilch

I kid you not.

[pangaia]

216. That made my day.

Now I can go upstairs, get in bed and read about Napoleon's invasion of Russia.


He had had a lot of experience, also.

OK little story, before I go.


I was born in NYC, 1943....Presbyterian, I later learned. :&gt )... lived just off Riverside Drive near 125th street. In the next door apartment lived an older Jewish couple. Rose Kahn, as much a caricature of an old Brooklyn Jewish grandmother as you could get-- dumpy, bossy, obsessive compulsive, big fleshy hands, blubbery kisses, old ratty apron, , whom we loved dearly and whom we called Nana, would baby sit me.. When I was like 2-3 years old she would feed me.... pickled herring !!! I kid you not.. pickled herring !!!

And to this day I LOVE pickled herring.. In fact the SAME, exact same brand, VITA, in the same jar !!!

Go figure...

So, here is a toast to Minerve Schlegelmilch

[roguevalley]

219. :D

to nanas everywhere. Mazel Tov!

[pangaia]

232. Mazel Tov

[Gregorian]

241. So do I! I like his garden gnomeishness.

[JudyM]

214. You need to keep repeating that?

It's been dredged up too many times already and it is at the point of becoming a meme here.

[roguevalley]

221. given that someone said it at all, yes. It should be shouted given the

propensity for HRC supporters to act like they are so pure.

[JudyM]

224. Ok but it's ageist and it's a slight against Jews. It hurts to hear it, it's disrespectful of Bernie

to keep it going. I understand what you mean but but really, the image is hurtful to keep referring to. Let them bring it up, we don't have to extend it. It's like saying "they called Obama a N****" ... none of us would keep repeating that.

Peace.

[CoffeeCat]

198. If I wanted a blow-dried, slick,

charmer with a twinkle in his eye and a Disney-like personality--I'd be begging Mitt Romney to run.

[Gregorian]

238. Really. Yay Bernie! Hillary is now rambling and rambling...

[Punkingal]

33. No, he looks serious and passionate.

[Fawke Em]

94. The audience is loving him!

Are you watching something else?

Yes. He looks serious when he's talking about serious things. So what?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

210. For sure! n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

229. yes

[Renew Deal]

22. Asking Bernie about Bill Clinton quote "the era of big government is over."

Bernie is answering on the issues, but not getting sucked into the "big government" question.

[Punkingal]

29. I would like to smack Cuomo...hounding on the big government question.

[valerief]

52. He's very dickish, isn't he?

[Punkingal]

65. Talking like a Republican about government.

[valerief]

73. Exactly. "Big government" is Right Wing framing. nt

[Renew Deal]

63. There's no good way to answer the question.

Democrats don't buy into the big government notion.

[Armstead]

213. Actually, he should be asking questions like that

It's good tyo ask tough questions that are on people minds, so candidates should have a chancer to answer them

[Duckhunter935]

26. Chris is an ass

Let's see if he is this condescending to Hillary

[SamKnause]

34. Punish, punish, punish.

What an ass Cuomo is.

[Matariki]

189. just skirting the Republican catch phrase "punish success"

blah and bullshite.

[valerief]

35. Enough is enough!

[ViseGrip]

36. Time to donate to Bernie!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

37. I might be biased, but Sanders demeanor seems off. Not sure if its the format or the questions

This isn't a really good venue for him.

[ecstatic]

45. He toned it down, but earlier he was almost yelling at Chris.

I hope he keeps this tone of voice for the rest of the segment.

[valerief]

54. I think you're biased. nt

[Duckhunter935]

58. yes, we know you have no bias

[Fawke Em]

108. You're biased.

He's fine.

[Arazi]

125. So biased and transparent

[Autumn]

222. Yeah your biased.

[Gregorian]

38. OK, now I know Bernie has it handled. He's got his second voice.

[joshcryer]

42. Sanders nails it with regards to Planned Parenthood.

Not one call to divert donations away from them!

[KentuckyWoman]

43. He's missing it on "big government".

The question was do we really want bigger government than ever.

He needs to remind everyone government needs to be big enough to serve the general welfare.... which is a primary role of government as listed in the US Constitution.

The REASON we want MORE government involvement in the delivery and payment of medical care is because we tried the route of trusting the private market to do so to the benefit of our citizen. Private Sector has utterly failed to provide medical care to our citizens in a fair and efficient manner. Because medical care is a basic need for a human being we CAN'T treat it as a privilege only for the wealthy. This is one of the exact areas of general welfare that government SHOULD be involved.

I post this in case by some miracle on of his people see it. Please oh please. We need to counter the idea that government is a bad thing. He dances around it by reminding us the government we have is only working for the billionaires... but he's a plain spoken man and really needs to lay it on the line for the simplest voter.

[valerief]

56. "Big government" is such a right wing framing. nt

[KentuckyWoman]

149. I agree but....

that's the framing we have. And I know he "gets" it. He knows we need a government that is big enough........ not bloated..... but big enough. It's WHY he bills himself as a Democratic Socialist.

Even if he saves it for the general election up against the Republicans that's cool by me...... but I'd just really like to see him just tackle that whole "framing" issue.

[ecstatic]

59. I agree. He should be as direct and specific as possible.

You can never go wrong by "keeping it real."

[nolabear]

46. It's going to be impossible to parse this out until everyone has been heard from.

I hear a lot of complaining about how Chris is treating Bernie but it sounds to me as though he's trying to move him from talking points to answers. I'd hope he would do the same for Hillary. People need to know details.

[TCJ70]

55. I'm withholding judgement until it's all over...

...I will say that I thought this was supposed to be between the candidates and the viewers, not the moderator.

[nolabear]

76. Me too. But I think the mods take their jobs seriously.

[johnnyrocket]

60. Yea, it's called devils advocate...it's GOOD for Sanders...

...you have to have an answer to the critics.

[ecstatic]

64. Agreed. nt

[nolabear]

80. Also agreed.

[femmocrat]

51. "Lifting the cap on taxable income" -- can someone give me a brief explanation, please?

He has used that phrase several times.

[Motown_Johnny]

68. At about $210K a year (I could be wrong on that number) you get a tax cut.

Because the payroll tax does not apply to income above that level. People making $400,000 a year pay the same dollar amount as those making $210,000. The same for people making more than that.

If you remove the cap then people continue to pay that same tax on the income above $210K/yr.

Sorry if that was not very clear. I hope you got the idea.

[femmocrat]

82. TY! Nice and clear nt

[Gregorian]

71. So that people with higher incomes pay a fair tax, instead of some stunted amount.

It raises the cap that says you only pay this much if you make any more. But I could be full of shit. That's my understanding.

[Avalux]

79. For 2016, $118,500 is the taxable income cap.

This means that if income is earned OVER that amount, it isn't taxed. Lifting the cap to say - $250,000 would create a lot more tax dollars and needs to be done. Hell, it needs to be raised to a million.

[questionseverything]

86. social security taxes only go up to 109 grand (or therebouts)

after that people do not have to pay ss taxes on their income

[johnnyrocket]

92. 6.2% of your income up to $118,500 is SS tax...

...after that, you pay no more tax. He wants to eliminate the cap...so all your income is subject to the 6.2% tax.

[Zen Democrat]

190. People pay into Social Security only up to wages of about $119,000 a year.

If it were raised to include those making between $119,000 and $200,000, Social Security would have a surplus and benefits could be raised. It's lifting the cap on income taxable for Social Security.

[femmocrat]

195. Thanks.... that is what I thought in relation to SS.

I wanted to make sure I understood it as Bernie was referencing it.

[hedda_foil]

192. Sure. He's talking about Social Security taxes (FICA) which are taken out of the first $108,000.

It applies to income earned from work only, not from investments. So people whose salary is $150,000, 200,000, $500,000 or millions, but they only have to pay FICA taxes on the first $108,000. Raising that cap would greatly increase the money available to pay tobeneficiaries.

[RoccoR5955]

53. Bernie is Bernin' it up!

So far he is right on the money there.

[Gregorian]

57. We're talking about single payer/increased social security/Citizens United on TV!

On a major network. I never thought I'd see the day.

[valerief]

61. and only people who have cable can see it. nt

[Gregorian]

78. Yes. I have Directv (fascists) haha.

[Renew Deal]

69. It's a nice change

[ProudToBeLiberal]

62. Ok, Sanders please stop shouting. He needs to tone it down a bit. nt

[rufus dog]

111. DUDE STOP IT

We got it the first three times, his style annoys you. HRC annoys people with her style. I don't give a fucking damn about style, focus on substance.

[Arazi]

136. NOT fooling anyone. Incredibly lame and transparent assaults nt

[Duckhunter935]

151. Indeed so

Figured that out after the first few attacks

[Fawke Em]

121. He's not shouting.

His tone is fine.

[cali]

160. You seem determined to embarrass yourself. Carry on.

[Autumn]

228. Anything Bernie does you would find fault with.

You are hilarious.

[Purveyor]

67. Bernie is doing great. I'm so glad he got to go first, indeed. eom

[cherokeeprogressive]

74. What some people (guess who) try to describe is mean, I see as passionate.

[Punkingal]

90. Yep, that's what I see.

[TCJ70]

85. Yeah...

...come on CNN. This is ridiculous.

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. Chris Clinton (oops I meant Cuomo) even used it to ask Bernie a question. Town hall? Nah.

[ViseGrip]

227. Well do you see now? Cumo talked to Bernie most of the time to use up his time.

[nolabear]

93. But that was the question. How do you address those points. Geez.

Maybe they'll play one of his during her questions.

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. Town hall. Audience asks questions.

Instead we have CNN playing a Hillary ad (unpaid I might add... free air time) and force Bernie Sanders to speak to it.

Town hall my fucking ass.

[nolabear]

115. *sigh* Okay. And if the same happens to her? Will you be outraged?

[artislife]

142. I might go into shock! nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

209. Here's my prediction... Cuomo will say "Bernie Sanders said" and give her a chance at rebuttal.

That's NOT how Town Hall type meetings are supposed to work.

Hosts don't editorialize. Audience members as questions. THAT'S how Town Hall meetings go.

[Punkingal]

100. Think they will play Bernie's ad for her?

[Mufaddal]

193. Actually I kind of think they might

It would be the only way to look even-handed, and it would certainly be interesting to get her reaction. But we'll see. I'm not exactly holding my breath.

[Motown_Johnny]

101. I hope they do the same to Hillary. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

188. Free market.

[Warren DeMontague]

202. I thought i was the only one who noticed that.

Sure, give her 2 free minutes of his time. Fuck.

[cherokeeprogressive]

220. Next up: Hillary's rebuttal (at Cuomo's insistence) of Bernie's points.

"Secretary Clinton, Bernie said..."

Softball meant to allow Hillary to swing for the fence.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

81. The biggest take away so far "Yes we will raise taxes. Yes we will." -Bernie Sanders

This was a huge faux pas

[ProudToBeLiberal]

87. Uhh, Bernie Sanders is standing up. wtf...nt

[Autumn]

231. Oh no!!!!!!!! He stood up!!!! OMG WTF...

[femmocrat]

109. It will probably be used against him. But....

when he explained that insurance premiums will be reduced or eliminated, it made sense. And he wants to raise taxes on Wall Street.

[Arazi]

156. Lol!

Arent you "brave"?

Transparent!

[Duckhunter935]

165. bullsh**

He gave a very good explanation. Just because you fail to listen to it is not our problem. So what else did he say in that answer?

[brentspeak]

83. HRC's ad: "Leading the diplomacy that keeps us OUT of war..."

Unintentionally funny and sad at the same time.

[Gregorian]

84. UH OH, PREPARE FOR DELIVERY OF BERN

[Renew Deal]

89. Bernie just got out of his chair to answer Hillary Clinton ad question

And I don't really understand why.

[valerief]

96. Well, you'd better fret over it. nt

[Renew Deal]

97. lol

[nolabear]

103. I don't mind that though. He just might think well standing up.

I'm not a fan of it myself. It sounds like a speech rather than Q&A.

[Motown_Johnny]

107. The chair had him facing the moderator.

He wanted to face the audience directly.

[Fawke Em]

135. Yep. He was having to turn in contorted positions to talk to the questioners.

He nearly had to do a Linda Blair from the Exorcist to answer that young lady's question.

[ViseGrip]

230. Was the format to sit? Why is O'Malley allowed to break format? Trying to look presidential?

Their last dying gasp, to stop Bernie.

[pangaia]

194. He explained it very clearly.

"OK, I have to stand up to answer this one."

[Ferd Berfel]

98. Bernie is nailing it

of course

[ram2008]

102. BERNIE JUST WON IT!!!

WOW!!! Stand up Bernie!

[nolabear]

105. Won what?

[Motown_Johnny]

116. The experience argument.

I don't know that he won it, but he answered it very well.

[nolabear]

133. Okay, that's different. He did do well.

[pangaia]

198. That was REALLY dynamite...

[ram2008]

117. The hearts and minds of the American people.

Sitting here with my grandparents, and they're extremely impressed with Bernie. before the town hall started they said he didn't have a chance.

[nolabear]

137. Some no doubt.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

104. Bernie is attacking Hillary Clinton. He is looking pretty bad doing it.

Lots of nervous laughter in the audience.

[TCJ70]

110. Stating his record...

...contrasted with hers is not an attack unless he's lying about the record. That's HRC's territory not Bernie's...

[JTFrog]

112. That Dick Cheney comment was pretty fucked up.

Just sayin...

[nolabear]

122. Slid it in there, didn't he? "I like her...and I'll now connect her to Darth Vader."

It's politics, but he does it.

[Renew Deal]

127. I agree

[rufus dog]

128. So was the three AM ad

And stating McCain was better prepared.

[OrwellwasRight]

148. Actually not.

Doesn't it make the point?

If experience is what counts, Cheney would have been great. He wasn't great, ergo, experience is not the key.

[Duckhunter935]

181. agreed

[azmom]

106. I'm loving Bernie. He looks great.

[Renew Deal]

113. It's one of his better nights.

[Matariki]

114. He's doing great!

[azmom]

132. He really is. Nobody can beat him in

Authenticity. The guy comes accross as smart, well informed, caring and HONEST. He is going to win this thing.

[Gregorian]

118. Beautiful reframing: experience needs judgment.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

119. Again, Bernie goes and attacks Hillary Clinton before he answers the question.

Why is he changing his style? It doesn't suit him.

[Motown_Johnny]

124. Pointing out that she is wrong is not an attack.

If he falsely claimed that she had worked for a slum lord, that would be an attack.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

126. This is the most negative I have seen Bernie Sanders. I don't like this version. Where's the lovable

grandpa?

[Fawke Em]

144. When Clinton comes out and preaches in her flat, nasally tone, what will you say?

He's fine. Contrasting their records is not going negative. She'll do it, too, but the difference is that she'll lie about his record to do it.

[Autumn]

236. I love this Bernie, he hit her good on experience

Dick Cheney

[nolabear]

130. Nervous? Advisors? Politics? Since it's his first time doing this I don't know.

[Deny and Shred]

183. He ignored attacks for months

He endured amped-up attacks from all corners this week. He explained how little he desires to pivot away from issues and address the recent attacks. He changed his style in response to a change in how he's been attacked lately. It's called a response to criticism.

Continue to side with those that have mischaracterized his positions, though. I guess those attacks don't matter. Hillary can play the victim now and it suits you just fine.

She's up soon. We can compare the fairness of tonight's questions tomorrow, then compare the sincerity of their answers.

[firebrand80]

123. Bernie be like, "Fuck your chairs."

[Motown_Johnny]

129. Chairs are for Billionaires and Oligarchs !!!!!

[Paulie]

212. He's no Clint Eastwood

[ProudToBeLiberal]

131. His gun response is pretty convoluted. This is his weakest answer so far. nt

[TCJ70]

138. The problem is there's so much misinformation about his initial vote...

...but there's an element of the left that painted it as blanket immunity and it isn't. Any question about that subject has to be filtered through the little known reality.

[Duckhunter935]

191. not really

If you listen to his answer. Sure seemed to answer her question as she seemed quite impressed.

[aikoaiko]

233. Not if you understand the issues involved.

I'm confident Iowa voters understand them.

[Gregorian]

134. Great gun vote question. Not a simple answer, but Bernie obviously thought it through.

Then he's challenged, and still pulls out of it.

Bernie's got it!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

139. No one is capping at his answers...you can see he has lost the audience on this point. nt

[Duckhunter935]

196. the person who asked the question

Was very impressed

[OrwellwasRight]

140. This woman was just trying to gotcha Bernie.

Look at her face. She is mad that he didn't crumble in the face of her question.

[marlakay]

150. Its pretty obvious

And you can tell the questions that were planted they had both people act like they were ok with his answer so it wouldn't look planted.

[OrwellwasRight]

175. Let's see if Hillary has as many planted questions.

(Why don't we have an impatience smilie?)

[marlakay]

184. I am thinking the same thing

They sure seemed to go after him, not just ask questions.

And asking about guns at the end, like they wanted that to stay in peoples minds.

[Renew Deal]

141. Answer about holding gun shop owners and manufacturers is a bit of a mess

It makes sense if they sell a lot of guns, but not a few guns.

[TCJ70]

147. The issue is a bit of a mess...

...as there are a lot of misconceptions about his initial position and the bill he voted for.

[Nanjeanne]

162. It made sense if you actually listened

He said if a gun shop sold a lot of guns to one person or group, that is something a gun shop or manufacturer should know and be concerned about and in that case should be liable.

[Renew Deal]

203. Wouldn't it make sense if they were always potentially liable?

Is there a difference between an underage driver buying 1 beer and having an accident compared to several beers? The answer is no and it should be the same for guns.

[Nanjeanne]

234. Except

In your example to make it fit gun manufacturer liability you would be saying the car manufacturer is responsible not the driver.

Personally I'm not sure where I stand on this particular point. I hate all guns so I'm not the best person to be rational about gun control. But I see his point. If a gun is sold legally and the buyer shoots someone, why should the gun seller be liable? But if a gun seller sells 100 guns to one person and they take over a government building and shoot a bunch of people -- perhaps the gun seller should be liable. Even if the guns were sold legally, wouldn't selling that many guns to one person tick a level of suspicion?

It's pretty nuanced but then Bernie doesn't talk down to people. He isn't slick and doesn't use sound bites. He is being asked to explain his votes on specific bills that are complex. That makes e planning in a minute or two pretty difficult.

[DaGimpster]

185. Okay, let's take Iowa as an example (since it's where I live).

To purchase handgun in this state, you must first go to the county sheriff in which you reside and apply for a handgun permit (or do it online these days).

If a gun store then legally sells me a handgun after inspecting this permit and running the NICS check, flawed as it may be, why is the onus on them to determine if I'm going to become unhinged with it?

Now, if that gun store is pushing hundreds of low-quality/low-cost guns though, then yes I believe they are culpable. It's an older graphic now, but look at where the guns that are being used in Chicago are coming from. It was a select small minority of FFL gun dealers.

This is my take on the situation.

[azmom]

143. Bernie has more energy than a 20 year

Old.

[questionseverything]

145. he is a hoop star too

wozers

[nolabear]

146. Boy I'd LOVE to hear how he plans to fix the mental health care crisis.

What he's saying is lovely but it's FAR more complicated than that. Not that he can give a good answer in this forum.

[Motown_Johnny]

152. SEVENTY FOUR!!!

ROFL

[azmom]

155. That was adorable.

[femmocrat]

163. What is it with the ageism tonight!

Again! It's obvious that Bernie still has all his marbles and enjoys good health. Fer cryin' out loud.

[azmom]

153. Bernie is soooo cute. And healthy too.

[Renew Deal]

157. I wonder if it would be effective for Bernie to answer the age question be referring to the Pope

He started his service at 76

[Mufaddal]

197. Or Joe Biden

Bernie is only a year older.

[Renew Deal]

200. Biden will end his service at 74

[Mufaddal]

217. Yeah, and he was considering a run for prez

and now seems to regret not doing it.

[elias49]

158. I think Chris Cuomo is doing a good job!

I await him asking follow-ups of the other candidates.

[rufus dog]

174. Agreed

He isn't being a Dick, if he is consistent with the other two he will have done his job.

[Duckhunter935]

201. big "if"

[Gregorian]

161. Bernie is super sharp. I'm only 60, and he runs circles around me.

[RoccoR5955]

164. Bernie is solid as a rock tonight!

I am so glad to hear the next president speak here.

[valerief]

171. I know. I'm not sure if I want to hear the others now.

I don't think I'll hear anything new.

[RoccoR5955]

187. What you will hear

are a couple of parrots.
That's all.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

211. 10:04 I'm done watching.

Its a work day tomorrow, and I've seen Hillary's shtick before.

[firebrand80]

166. Did a good job talking about his parents

It's the kind of thing he doesn't do nearly enough of

[azmom]

167. Great job Bernie!

[Renew Deal]

168. I think Bernie had a very good night

One of his better ones. He's not as strong in the debate format as he was here.

[nolabear]

169. Is this break a good time to make a Thread 2?

[Renew Deal]

178. Already done

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511066380

[elleng]

179. Yes

[Motown_Johnny]

170. He is going to be a tough act to follow.

[azmom]

172. Donate, donate, donate

[Gregorian]

176. So no Kafkaeque metamorphasis. Bravo!

His head didn't open up and Marx come sauntering out. Nope.

[FrenchieCat]

207. I think Bernie Sanders did really very, very well in this Town Hall....

I like his ideas fine. I like Bernie Sanders fine.

I didn't see it all, so I will ask now....was he asked how we would pass these laws he is championing?

Note: I'm an Hillary supporter because I just don't think the redistribution of wealth part, and other of Bernie's attributes will play in Ohio during the general Election vetting process, and I don't want a President Rubio (as that is who will be the GOP nominee, once all is said and done)

PS: I wish that supporters would be as gracious to other supporters as Sanders and Clinton seem to be to each other. It does not good to say I'm gracious if the people who are advocating you are not.

[Armstead]

215. Hi Frenchie -- We've often disagreed in the past but was wondering where you had gone

[Matariki]

218. He did address that.

with a two fold answer. First, he cited his record of getting thing though Congress and having worked with Republican on common ground issues - and more importantly he cited the need for people to get engaged in the political process and demand change. Obama said pretty much the same thing, if I recall. It's not a magical answer but it's definitely the truth, it's what it will take.

[Mufaddal]

225. Bernie's perspective is a little different here.

And you've raised a great issue that illustrates the difference between candidates. When Bernie talks about a "political revolution," he's not using it as a catch phrase. He's talking about him getting elected as Step 1. Step 2 is that, during that time and after, a mass movement needs to be built to bring heretofore unseen pressure on elected officials to get his agenda done. That's the most critical part, and that's also why he says it doesn't matter if he gets elected and then everyone else just bails. He doesn't mean a mass movement to get him elected, he means a mass movement to change the country and fight to have a representative and responsive government. And he's right: short of that kind of mass movement, real change is not going to come, and disparity will continue to grow as we slide farther along into the hole of corporate oligarchy. So in the end, it's a two-pronged plan. Without one piece, the other doesn't work so much. If he was advocating exactly the same positions, but his message about his agenda was, "just get me into office, I'll take care of it," I would agree actually agree with you. There would be zero chance of meaningful structural change--just like the last couple of decades--in terms of benefit to ordinary working people. Thankfully, he gets it: it's not really leaders who make history, it's the people. His campaign is our campaign. It's everyone's campaign.

[FrenchieCat]

246. Obama asked for help. He wanted people to pressure their Representatives, call radio....basically..

fight the Republicans and those moderate Democrats that needed pressure on them....
but very few actually followed through.....and the ones that did, there weren't enough of them!

What I saw instead were most pointed their fingers at Obama throughout, and criticized him!

That's why I stopped posting here! I was literally dispirited by the mean and judgmental approach
those who didn't get what they felt we should get....


They acted like their job was dissing the President on the Internet;


So good luck with the Revolution.....
as I hope it will be much more productive than hurling insults at one person day in, day out!

Peace

[OrwellwasRight]

208. Actually the ACOs

are not working well. http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2015/10/20/do-accountable-care-organizations-work

And this is about all they have to reduce costs in the multiple payer model.

You have to get the profit motive out. O'Malley should go farther on this.

[SheenaR]

235. I could care less about the taxes comment

Because I'm not an idiot and can do simple math.

3 mins in the fear mongering begins for the final candidate

[Triana]

237. Experience is important, but so is Judgement