I think Clinton made a HUGE Logistical error

[berni_mccoy]

Most people are not going to stay up until 10pm on a Monday night in January to hear her make her case. Obviously she or her campaign had a hand in going first or last but someone in her campaign is going to lose their job over this choice. This is much like the Patriots winning the coin toss in overtime and letting the other team receive the ball first.

[hrmjustin]

1. I thought it was a cnn conspiracy that made her go last.

[MrMickeysMom]

23. With Wasserman-Shultz setting it up???

What kind of logic is THAT?

[hrmjustin]

24. I was being sarcastic.

[pangaia]

2. In CST it ends at 10

MST- 9 and PST -8.

But, I hope you are right..
I'm in NY and can not stand to watch er anyway.


Also my Youtube stream is too spluttery.
:&gt )

[berni_mccoy]

6. CST it ends at 11 evidently

[pangaia]

13. Shows you what I know, eh..

[berni_mccoy]

16. You could be right but she's only getting half the time Sanders got

And it's late.

[brooklynite]

14. Are you saying CNN isn't broadcasting this live?

[ecstatic]

3. Iowa is in central time zone

It might not be too bad. She'll be up shortly.

[berni_mccoy]

7. Then Sanders got more time than her or O'Malley

[virtualobserver]

8. What are you talking about....Iowa farmers have to get up at 3am

They stayed up late for Bernie, then went to bed.

[ecstatic]

9. Fine, but I think people have made up their minds at this point

Sanders still hasn't provided enough details to satisfy the realist wing of the party.

[virtualobserver]

11. Don't you mean surrealist?

[ecstatic]

22. Surrealists would be the ones shouting revolution amidst a

rethug stacked congress and senate (and the ones who talk about revolution but don't vote in mid term elections).

[daleanime]

29. And do you want to leave it that way?

Or would you like to change it?

[artislife]

39. *chortle

[stevil]

34. Every Iowan is a farmer

Really?

[virtualobserver]

36. it was a joke

[stevil]

37. Funny

.

[hoosierlib]

4. Ditto...

I was thinking the same thing...

[draa]

5. I think people will.

Especially if they lock the doors to the auditorium.

[Mike__M]

10. She could help us all and

re-use that five minute speech from the other day

[senz]

15. I appreciate this, berni_mccoy

and hope hope hope it is true.

Unless she fouls up really badly.

[Empowerer]

17. Earlier today, folks were claiming that the closing position was the best spot

and it was no fair that Hillary got it.

I pointed out that, no matter what order she got, people would complain - but, of course, was told that just wasn't true since the closing slot is prime.

[Kalidurga]

30. I had a good laugh at those

I thought Hillary got shafted on this one. But, we will see how the polls go in a couple of days.

[cwydro]

18. I'm awake and watching.

At least four others I know are watching as well.

People who care will watch.

[NanceGreggs]

19. Perhaps you are unaware of the polls.

HRC is still the front-runner - so her case has already been made, and the majority of Democrats are in her camp.

Just out of curiosity, exactly "when" is the right time for a debate or town hall? I've read here that thus far, every debate has been scheduled at the "wrong time" or on the "wrong night". Is Bernie only capable of responding to pertinent questions at certain times on certain nights?

Along with looking at the polls, you might also want to check out the ratings of TV shows that air at 10 p.m. - it would appear that a lot of people stay up past that hour. And those who are interested in politics will watch tonight's broadcast in real time - and those who, for whatever reason, can't watch at this hour will record the program to watch at their convenience.

And BTW, if you have any evidence that Hillary is the one who made the decision - or the "logistical error", as you've called it - to have tonight's town hall aired at precisely this time on precisely this night, I invite you to provide the evidence thereof.

"Obviously she or her campaign had a hand in going first or last ... Well, if it's so obvious, you should be able to
provide the proof that that's what happened here. And again, I invite you to provide same.

[kristopher]

21. Do you actually think that is a meaningful rebuttal?

Demanding that type of proof for what is obviously an opinion is an inapt reply, don't you think? The opinion is obviously based on a set of biases (accurate or not) that you don't share with berni. Why not leave it at that?

ETA: BTW, the polls in IOWA (site of the debate) do not have Hillary winning.

[NanceGreggs]

25. Berni stated ...

... that "I think Clinton made a HUGE Logistical error ..." in having the town hall on at 10 p.m. tonight.

He also stated that "Obviously she or her campaign had a hand in going first or last ..."

Those were presented as statements of fact, not opinions. In the case of the latter, saying "obviously" denotes fact, not opinion. And if it's so "obvious", the proof thereof should be readily available to be posted here.

But it's become par for the course here that such statements are made - and when challenged to provide the proof that underlies those statements, they suddenly become "opinions".

If I posted that Bernie had obviously had a hand in deciding the timing of tonight's broadcast, or in the decision of who went first, I sincerely doubt that BS supporters would have dismissed such statements as "opinion", and not demanded I provide the proof thereof.

[kristopher]

31. No, they were clearly opinions.

Just like your judgment about his comment is an opinion.

ob·vi·ous
adjective
easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent.

o·pin·ion
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint;

the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.

an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.

[NanceGreggs]

32. An "opinion" ...

... doesn't begin with "obviously" this is what happened.

Again, if it's SO obvious, the underlying facts should be easily accessible.

"Obviously, Bernie Sanders decided who would go first tonight."

Does that sound like an opinion to you?

[kristopher]

33. Sure it can.

You re making up a 'rule' that doesn't exist. I know you are better than this pettiness.

[NanceGreggs]

35. I don't think this is petty at all.

For months now, I have seen this tack used - make a statement like "obviously HRC had a hand in this, or dictated that, and insisted on this - and when called on it, the reply is: "I was like just stating an opinion, man."

I think the problem here is that there are so few HRC supporters left on this site, the BS supporters have become too complacent in their belief that they can say absolutely anything without being challenged as to the veracity of their statements.

An opinion is expressed as just that - an opinion. It is not expressed as an absolute statement - only later to be claimed as an "opinion" when proof is asked for.

[kristopher]

38. It sounds to me that you are simply intolerant.

I've read your stuff (with pleasure) for years so I know that you are either aware that your claim is bunk.
You are 100% aware that context is extremely important and that this is a discussion forum, not an academic journal.
You are 100% aware that most of what is written here is, by default, opinion.
You are 100% aware that the OP BEGINS with the words "I think".
You are 100% aware that this marks an opinion.
You are 100% aware that there is nothing within the piece where this opinion is segregated from the perceptions you are labeling fact and demanding documentation on.

In short, you know better.

[NanceGreggs]

40. "You are 100% aware that the OP BEGINS with the words "I think"."

The full statement is "I think Clinton made a HUGE Logistical error ..."

That statement presupposes that tonight's meeting was Clinton's "logistical error" to be made. Unless HRC had control over tonight's meet-up, she could not be held responsible for "logistical errors", could she?

As I've said, this tack has been used before - Make a statement. If called on it, insist it was only an opinion.

Tiresome - to say the least.

[kristopher]

41. Yes clearly you are the superior human.

[NanceGreggs]

42. I don't think ...

... one has to be a "superior human" to know the difference between expressing an opinion and making a statement of fact.

[kristopher]

43. Riiiiiight....

[MariaThinks]

20. is there anything about her that you like?

[LettuceSea]

26. The selective sound bites will sound good

I actually think she performed well in that context. Softballs for everyone!

[stopbush]

27. Hillary did great tonight.

She's able to offer tangible examples of her effectiveness in the public arena on the national level.

She has walked the walk.

[DanTex]

28. Conspiracy gone awry!