Hillary seems manic

[CoffeeCat]

It's like the accelerator is all the way to the floor.

Maybe she'll calm down.

[elias49]

1. You're right! Loud.

Aggressive.

[CoffeeCat]

4. Well, she's behind the eight ball

And she's coming into this trying to regain losses.

[elias49]

16. Now she's shouting again

getting carried away playing the Israel card!

[AgingAmerican]

110. Manic doesn't mean loud

It means hyper

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. It means inauthentic. Go Bernie... the real deal!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. It's just Hillary trying to discover her inner-Bernie!

... I'd rather have the real thing!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[DiehardLiberal]

22. Strident.

[zazen]

45. noooooooo--you're kidding, right? she's passionate & revved up & her policies are wrong

Let's not call her strident or criticize her for being animated and passionate when we don't apply the same standard to men.

[Punkingal]

58. I just thought she wasn't acting like herself. It seemed weird.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. ikr... and what was up with all that weird arm-waving? It was like she was on the deck of an aircraft carrier directing F-16's.

[merrily]

76. Animated and passionate? LOL! She's come across as decidedly unpleasant in 2 primaries now.

"You're likeable enough, Hillary."

Apparently, she confuses authoritarian droning in a loud voice with strength.

[zazen]

88. "strident" and "powerful woman" are dangerous to use in same sentence

I don't like a different standard being applied to her high spirits, even if they're just caffeinated or something (and we've all been there, right?), and I especially don't like the term strident, which was used against so many feminists for so many decades that it basically became associated with telling women to shut up.

I don't think our poster meant that, but I believe it is very important to focus on our policy differences with her and not get any where near double standards where a powerful woman's strong voice or animated physical gestures are criticized as "over the top."

[merrily]

91. I did not use those words, and I don't see her as "high-spirited" AT ALL.

[zazen]

94. poster #22 did, not you, to whom I was originally responding

Look, I agree that it seemed out of character, but our commenting on her "tone" is a losing strategy here. If I had the friggin energy I'd start on OP on this.

And frankly, and the CT accusers on the HRC side will be all over me for this one, but if there were ever a trap it'd be this--intentionally coming out on stage and being loud and animated and passionate and then people accuse her of yelling or whatever.

Were I her consultant and someone had assigned me to do Machiavellian tricks I would analyze his voice cadence and volume clip for clip and tell her exactly how fast and loud she could go while still within his parameters.

Then, after the fact, you play the clips side by side with a speech analyst on CNN and voila, it proves to the research-wonk-leftists they indeed they've been rejecting her because of unconscious sexism. THAT would be the gotcha and if I were her paid analyst I'd be screaming it to the rooftops.

Frankly, and this is hard to do because I find her manipulation of feminism for personal gain so odious, her critics almost got me sympathetic last night.

People need to be quiet about her tone and focus on her comments. There's plenty to rip apart there.

We both support the same candidate and I dislike having to openly disagree like this, but does this make sense?

[merrily]

96. "People need to be quiet about her tone." Sanders' tone gets criticized every time!

I think double standards--saying we cannot criticize female candidates for the same things for which we criticize male candidates-- are damaging to women. As far as posting to me about words or anything in some other poster's post, I really don't see the point. I am willing to be accountable only for what I post.

[polly7]

98. If women want to be viewed as having the same strengths and capabilities as men

we need to be held to the same standards - including behaviour in public. I've read so much about about Bernie Sanders' 'screaming', 'pointing', 'waving his arms' - totally hypocritical to not be able to comment on the same from a woman. Makes women look like weak, soft little flowers who can't withstand the slightest breeze. It's insulting.

[merrily]

106. I agree, polly, but think the damage is greater than your post suggests.

If US employers are sexist, they can be liable. Even if they are wrongly charged with sexism, they need to defend themselves, which requires them to divert time and energy, even if they don't hire lawyers. If they do hire lawyers, add financial expense to their downside. If charges of sexism come up every time people hear something about Hillary that they would prefer not to hear, it makes headlines. As an employer--or someone who makes hiring decisions in a business, male or female, sexist or not, reading those headlines, what might you think to yourself the next time a woman applies to you for a job?

[polly7]

111. I hadn't thought about it so in depth,

great point merrily, you're right .... the headlines would be very damaging. Of course I'd think "why put myself through the potential trouble and loss". It does make you wonder why any woman stand by and allow these claims to be made in the first place.

[merrily]

112. I've never owned a big business but I served as part of a hiring committee in a big

business. I know the kinds of things that people who make hiring decisions discuss among themselves. I also know that discrimination while on the job is much easier to prove than discrimination at the hiring stage---unless you give a prospect really stupid reasons for not hiring them.

[polly7]

119. I imagine there are a lot of things considered during the hiring stage.

This is one I'd never even considered though .... being in the position of even a possible lawsuit for gender discrimination, but it makes sense that it would be. That's so sad to think about, that many women probably are refused jobs they're well qualified for because of it. There definitely is unequal treatment of women in the workforce .... these headlines would just fuel the fire, once again, why would any woman stand by and allow it when it's untrue in the first place, let alone push it.

[merrily]

127. In fairness to my former employer, I should add that we tried FOR diversity.

So we did treat minorities and women differently by outreach and by favoring them, all other things being equal or near equal.

However, if we had legitimate reasons not to hire a candidate who happened to be in a protected class, the concern about being wrongly accused of discrimination if we did not hire him or her came up often. Same for when we had legitimate reasons for dismissal. Businesses don't like to be accused of breaking the law, period, especially over something like telling people to watch their tone with clients or other employees.

[polly7]

129. I'm glad there are people like you and your employer that did value diversity and made it happen.

Such a tough situation to be in.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. Couldn't have said it better Polly... what is more sexist than holding women to a different standard than men?

Hillary is toast... and everyone knows it! Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[polly7]

122. Hey, you DID say that better.

[zazen]

131. You are mis-using the concept of double standards and minimizing women's reality

When you respond to my response to someone else, the context is important. You jumped into my conversation with poster #22.

You are mis-using the concept of double standards according to the same line of thinking that critics of affirmative action use (one unfair criticism has happened to a man's behavior! therefore we can criticize women all we want!). You're acting blind to centuries of history, just like people who get furious because one qualified white student is turned down for a program so that a minority person can get the slot.

You're acting like the level playing field only should begin at the point that the injustice to the majority person occurred (in this case, mocking Bernie's passion as "yelling&quot and ignore everything prior to that.

Constricted standards of tone, behavior and appearance are overly applied to women every day of our lives (and to minority males to some extent).

To pretend otherwise is minimizing the very real silencing that African Americans get for showing human anger (another angry Black person!--God forbid Obama show 1/10th the anger of Donald Trump) and the daily tightrope that women have to walk so that they are "just right"--not too cold, not too warm, not too demure, not too angry, not too soft-spoken, not 'yelling.'

Go right ahead offending women with this line of attack if it's that important to you. You and the other posters doing this are hurting our cause.

[merrily]

132. No, I've not done anything you've accused me of, and you are doing women no favors.

Stop digging, stop directing ad homs at me and stop false accusations. And, btw, Hillary is white.

[polly7]

133. What cause? Portraying women as not able to be held to the same standards?

That's no cause - it's 'sexism' you're promoting yourself.

[zazen]

138. Yeah, me and a scholarly tradition on gendered expectations. It's a conspiracy.

[polly7]

140. No, not a conspiracy at all, just the reality of not holding her to the same standards

Sanders has been subjected to (mercilessly) here, and even in the MSM.

[zazen]

145. THAT I can agree with--however, I think it might have been natural nervousness

That's why I wish we'd be quiet about it because it's only fueling the Clinton argument that we don't support her because of unconscious sexism.

I know she's pandered and lied and the insinuation that Sanders was sexist with that whole "people are shouting about guns thing" infuriated me more than anything. I've been blasted by the Clinton camp here on several occasions and was banned from their group after one posting and called a misogynist!

However, what I saw last night struck me as partly uncontrolled. Whether it was a bad execution of a strategy of seeming animated, or just natural frustration, or as the poster above said, too much Red Bull, the reality is, as a woman, she had a tighter bandwidth within which to operate. She's still facing near impossible standards for her behavior--different and tougher ones than he's facing. And Sanders knows this and calls out the inappropriate comments.

So when she seems over the top in some way I just wish we'd drop it, because we can't be sure what's unconscious sexism and what's the recognition of some familiar pandering strategy.

since we have more than enough material on which to criticize her, we're better just leaving it alone. I'm sure that's what Senator Sanders is doing.

[kath]

144. Hmmmm - I don't see "strident" as being a sexist term applied to women. "Shrill" yes, "strident" no.

YMMV, but historically I think people have had much more of a problem with "shrill". "Strident" I see as being pretty gender-neutral.

[zazen]

146. long history of "strident" being used disproportionately against strong women

Words don't have an inherent authoritative meaning--just what a dictionary snapshot says plus general cultural usage--so I'm good with some people trying "to take it back." But yes, there's a long history of it being used against strong women. Just FYI.

Amanda Hess in Slate:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/09/06/jennifer_weiner_tweets_that_strident_is_a_sexist_term_is_it.html

"Historically, the word has been conspicuously applied to women who are characterized as “obtrusive” or “discordant” for airing their opinions (particularly, their opinions about being women). In the 1930s, books referred to a “strident feminist” more than it did a “strident critic.” Now, they refer to a “strident critic” much more frequently, but the gender of the critics to whom the term is applied is unclear. Caitlin Moran, in her book How to Be A Woman, suggests that women take back “strident feminist” as a badge of honor. “It’s been so wrong for so long that it’s back to being right again,” she wrote. “They have used it to abuse us! Let’s use it right back at them!” Of course, that kind of reclamation only really works when women are using it to refer to themselves."

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. She sure is waving her arms around a lot.

[John Poet]

68. She stole the arm-waving from Bernie,

thinks that might be what's making him rise in the polls...


or maybe she's trying to fly to New Hampshire,
and save money on airfare because her campaign is going broke...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

121. Okay... now THAT was funny! Gotta love Bernie... often imitated...but neva duplicated!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Purveyor]

3. Very.

[Awknid]

5. She's defensive as hell!

She is chewing out the questioners.

[winter is coming]

10. I guess the softballs aren't soft enough.

TIme to break out the Nerf balls!

[cwydro]

6. O'Malley was pretty hyper too.

But of course he's a man...

[PyaarRevolution]

43. That kinda creeped me out too.

So don't think I gave him a pass. While Bernie could be intense, most of the time he was just concise and strong.

[CoffeeCat]

7. She seems angry and desperate (nt)

[KittyWampus]

12. Sexist crap. Sanders was authoritative though, right?

[CoffeeCat]

14. I'm a female, I assure you I'm not sexist.

You're being ridiculous.

[KittyWampus]

30. Your sex has nothing to do with your spouting sexist crap. She sounds perfectly normal

as the other two.


But tell us all Coffeecat, how did Sanders sound? Hmmmm?

[CoffeeCat]

39. Saying that someone is being/acting

hyper is sexist?

Wow. You don't like someone's opinion, so you cry sexism?

[John Poet]

69. Remember the one where someone said Hillary

was "chicken" about something,
and another poster kept saying that was "sexist"?

Not just one post either, they kept posting it over and over and over...

I guess ya gotta keep that "sexist" card handy,
you can play it in almost any situation....

evidently...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

123. No worries CoffeeCat, crying "sexism" is the last refuge for those on a sinking ship... the U.S.S. Hillary.

They'll be on the Bernie bandwagon soon enough!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Matariki]

70. Really, I think Clinton and O'Malley both sounded like they were snorting Red Bull

while waiting their turns.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Bingo

A person saying I can't be such and such because I'm such and such is as lame an excuse as I can't be such and such because my wife, best friend, whatever is such and such.

[BainsBane]

75. You certainly aren't commenting on anything substantive.

And women are not exempt from sexism toward other women.

The fact that many people display more animosity toward Clinton than any figure in public life, including Republicans and genocidal dictators, has everything to do with misogyny. People can have legitimate disagreements about policy, but I see virtually no interest in that. The criticism is all about how people here don't like her. They take statements out of context and then express great glee in declaring her a liar. Social science research demonstrates that women are far more likely to be distrusted than men. That has to do with sexism in society and not because there is some chromosomal determination making women less honest.

Then when they insist the only reason people support her is because she is a woman, when no other candidate approaches her experience, breath of knowledge, or intelligence, it becomes obvious their opposition has everything to do with gender.

Patriarchy could not have survived for thousands of years without collaboration from women. People can rail about Wall Street, but its power is temporary, whereas patriarchy is far more entrenched precisely because so many benefit from it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. +1 ...

One would think that "liberals"/"progressives" would have that concept down ... but I see things have changed.

[BlueMTexpat]

78. +1 eom

[Starry Messenger]

81. This.

And it's pretty funny since Bernie's whole act is yelling.

[betsuni]

83. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Your nemeses won't touch you or your argument.

To grab a metaphor it would be like walking up to Brock Lesnar and sucker punching him.







KUDOS





P.S. Braying about one's unyielding antipathy to billionaires and millionaires does not make one a progressive.

[Empowerer]

89. This, indeed ˆˆˆ

[treestar]

117. good post

and Strident and Shrill are buzzwords. Whoever hears them used describing men?

[polly7]

126. She's invited every 'well-earned' criticism upon herself.

People here have posted articles and proof day after day of her involvement with big-money, her unwillingness to abandon it for the radical change needed to improve the lives of millions of people, her 'it's hopeless' attitude when it comes to single-payer health-care, her warmongering history and intent to continue it in the future - despite the world seeing the horror it's resulted in so far.

You do women everywhere a disservice trying to hide this all away behind your dishonest claims of 'sexism!'.

It's pathetic, actually and you are the one being sexist, in reality, for trying to shelter her by using it.

[Segami]

29. Very plastic and hollow.....scripted cliche!

.....continue...

[virtualobserver]

35. she doesn't know how to do it any other way....short of crying....

old habits are hard to break......

[winter is coming]

55. She's saving that for later in the week. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

124. ikr... can't wait for the coming tear-fest.

Think I'll stick with the true passionate progressive in this race... Berniiieeeeee!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Empowerer]

90. Wow

[Bonobo]

8. This will feed into people's (already) negative impression of her.

She doesn't seem to be able to stop herself though.

[Divernan]

72. Dave the Handler at town hall rehearsal: Dial it back.

HRC (aka HAL 9000): "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"

[Avalux]

9. It's phony showmanship. n/t

[KittyWampus]

11. Delusional. She appears normal as did O'malley & Sanders

[elias49]

18. She DOES seem a little delusional

or going through a manic swing. Jeez!

[CoffeeCat]

21. She's toned it down now

...and she's doing better.

She's more measured and effective now.

[trueblue2007]

22. Hillary is not yelling, they are making stuff up

[MariaThinks]

24. She's doing great. All our candidates are doing great.

[berni_mccoy]

13. The fake laugh and wiggling are OTT

[Sunlei]

62. Like her,yes, the long & hardy laugh & who ever coached her to 'open your eyes!', those should go.

I'd rather she just smile or smurk and relax those eyes, take a lesson from Obama

[Autumn]

17. What was with the yelling and arm waving??

[elias49]

20. Too much coffee?

[Autumn]

27. She was excited for sure.

[Segami]

49. LOL!

.......

[KittyWampus]

33. Yeah,it's not like Sanders doesn't point constantly

[Autumn]

38. Oh he does it all the time, I find it endearing. Hillary doesn't do that

it looks strange

[winter is coming]

34. Showing us her PASSION! n/t

[trueblue2007]

19. you didn't say that when BERNIE WAS YELLING !!!!

[Awknid]

25. It was normal for Bernie

But out of character for Hill.

[trueblue2007]

50. bull shit. your comment seems SEXIST to me.

all 3 of them can be dramatic. bernie is not the only one who has the right to act like that.

[Empowerer]

26. When he does it, it's passion. When she does it, she's manic.

When he's soft-spoken, he's cool. When she is, she's low-energy.

Got it?

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. Funny how that works, huh?

[BlueMTexpat]

80. And they insist it is not

misogyny.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. +1/nt

[zazen]

134. Agreed: I'm embarrassed of some of my candidate's supporters right now

I suspect the candidate himself would be as well.

Oh well--it's a big tent. That's the point.

[arcane1]

28. The word "Energized" did well in focus groups n/t

[Paulie]

32. Was there a big bass drum on stage?

[silenttigersong]

31. Man

She is so loud I feel like shutting her off ,still listening though yet she calming down a bit.She is very fake.

[restorefreedom]

36. its what stark raving panic looks like. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Take a fucking BREATH, Hillary. My goodness.

[marlakay]

40. At first I thought she was on something but now

I think she is just trying to copy Bernie with anger and passion.

[CoffeeCat]

47. That's probably right

Whatever her initial hyperdrive was, it seemed fake.

She did calm down and she seemed to find her stride.

[Nyan]

52. Looked like it.

But you have to have something to be angry/passionate about, if it were to come off authentic and in character. That was not the case for her.

[retrowire]

41. I just want to point out that CNN

made a big deal of Bernie's booming voice in the intimate setting, but they won't point out Hillary's yelling at all. FFS

[Ferd Berfel]

42. She had to sit there for 45 mins drinking red bull

and watching her candidacy fade away in front of her eyes

[pangaia]

48. :>))))))))))))))))))))))))

This deserves to be an OP>>>

I almost lost my yamakake...

[draa]

53. Turn this into an OP please.

It's a perfect explanation of what she stands for. Nothing.

[Segami]

54. BWHAHAHAHAHA.....

[Segami]

57. One more Red Bull and she was ready for launch...

[840high]

65. Heeheheheh!!!!!

[FrenchieCat]

63. That's what the congress will be saying to Bernie Sanders...

Not that I expect that he will be elected,
if he wins the Nomination!

Hardy har-har!

[Betty Karlson]

71. Is that the new slogan? "No we can't"? I thought it was "It's my turn or else"

Bit I agree: the new slogan can be used in connection with specific proposals.

[Ferd Berfel]

149. They aren't mutually exclusive

[asuhornets]

44. Hillary Clinton is not only Presidential

but smart as hell!!! I can't wait to vote for HER!!!

[840high]

66. Pray tell - how is one presidential? What

the dickens does that even mean?

[BlueMTexpat]

82. +1! eom

[retrowire]

46. Staged? well of course but you know.

Iowa Starting Line
@IAStartingLine

"I can see why they gave you this question" Uh... did that young man just admit CNN wrote all these questions? #DemTownHall

[zappaman]

51. Ok. n/t

[Punkingal]

56. Yes, thank you! It was bizarre.

[FrenchieCat]

59. She was assertive and in good spirits.....

But then, I don't dislike any of the candidates, so I don't judge them like that....

If she were a man, I don't know if she would have seemed manic!
Bernie seemed as wired and his volume was about similar....IMO!

[lovemydog]

61. That's how I saw it too.

She looked to me like someone who has a lot of energy and will continue fighting to expand and improve upon President Obama's great legacy.

[Sunlei]

60. Shes ready and focused. We're so used to Obamas 'style', I'm going to miss him!

[quickesst]

64. Hilary seems magic

There, fixed that for you.

[840high]

67. Oh yes - especially when she

gets her coughing spells.

[quickesst]

84. Oooooh...

That's really telling me!!!:

[Kentonio]

73. I don't think she looked manic.

I think her media team are trying copying some of the mannerisms and tone that Bernie uses. Politicians have their mannerisms and vocal pattern drilled into them these days, and for her to suddenly completely change the way she behaves on stage is extremely telling.

[BainsBane]

74. Ah, yes, another "policy" disagreement

What disturbs you? Not enough anger and pesimmism? She didn't spit and snarl enough to make you feel she was "honest"? Or was it that she demonstrated an ability to talk about more than one subject rather that stick to a set script for five debates in a row? I know I just hate it when a candidate actually answers questions and demonstrates a breadth of knowledge. I want my president repeat the same slogans regardless of what is asked. After all, the job isn't about competence. How can that compare to cable TV sound bites?

[Empowerer]

92. This thread is a sure sign that Hillary did a good job

All of the candidates were very good.

[NCTraveler]

93. So the lady is manic and needs to calm down.

I might buy this as not being nefarious coming from an O'Malley supporter, but considering Sanders personality, there is only one way to take it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. "By their fruit you will recognize them..."/nt

[Armstead]

120. Please explain

[MineralMan]

97. Why should she "calm down."

She sounds fired up. There's no need for her to "calm down." That's a really sexist sort of thing to say, I think. Do you think she's "hysterical?"

You want her to speak with a soft, "womanly" voice? Is that it?

[polly7]

99. What's good for the gander should be good for the goose, no?

Criticism of Sanders' on the trail speaking - "he screams, he points, he waves his arms!" shouldn't be considered in the same way against a woman? THAT is sexism. Women shouldn't be held to the same standards - we aren't tough enough to take it.

[MineralMan]

100. I haven't criticized Sanders' demeanor.

He is who he is. Hillary is who she is, as well.

People who would be President are generally strong-willed, intense personalities. I see that as a plus, not a minus.

[polly7]

102. Maybe you haven't ............ there have been hundreds of posts on here of others doing so.

You probably missed those.

[MineralMan]

105. I do not read every post on DU. Nobody does.

I am responsible only for my own posts on DU. Telling me what others say is irrelevant.

I won't participate in discussing what others are saying in a third-party way. If I object to someone's post, I will reply to that person and express my concerns. Why would I talk to anyone else about my concerns with someone's post? Why would I discuss "hundreds of posts" at all with anyone?

Such conversations have zero value, in my opinion. No doubt it would be easy enough to find examples of just about anything on this website. I neither have time for nor interest in doing that.

I replied to a poster here. I objected to a specific characterization of a candidate that was written by that poster. How on Earth does that concern you? Right now, I'm replying to you. I reply directly to people, rather than discussing what they say with others endlessly.

[polly7]

107. Yeah whatever. nt.

[MineralMan]

108. Thank you.

[merrily]

136. Oh, come on, now. No one has to read every post on DU to know that Sanders has been criticized for

shouting, gesturing and maybe a thousand other things.

[MineralMan]

137. Not by me. I like energy from candidates.

I'm supporting Clinton, because I believe that Sanders cannot win in November. That doesn't mean that I don't like him. Politics is serious business, and I want the best possible chance of putting a Democrat in the White House.

You might feel differently about the campaign. That's up to you.

[merrily]

139. Your reply has nothing to do with my post. I'll take that as indicating you agree with my post,

but rather not say so.

[MineralMan]

142. All sorts of people are making all sorts of statements

about candidates. I'll agree with that, certainly. I can only speak for myself, though.

[merrily]

143. My post was indeed about you, though you chose to reply about candidates.

[Bonobo]

101. Silly Polly. The charge of "sexism" means that no woman could ever be referred to as

"emotional". "manic", "angry", "shrill", "weepy", "sad", "furious", "bitter" or just about any description of an emotional state that could be deemed negative.

[polly7]

104. Heck, I feel most of those things at least once a week, not sure what other terms

could be used to correctly describe them.

I love your gif, cracks me up every time I see it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

130. Hillary doesn't sound normal is how I would describe her... like she's taking acting classes or something... doesn't sound genuine, like Bernie.

[FlatBaroque]

103. I felt like I was scolded, commercial free, for 45 minutes

by the district school superintendent.

[Bonobo]

109. "Scolded"?

Prepare to be called sexist.

[FlatBaroque]

113. PC Principal!!

my favorite character on the teevee.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

128. Seriously... I'm gettin tired of being talked down to by Hillary.

We need a candidate with a positive vision for the future... we need Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[libdem4life]

125. Syracuse online poll.... I know, I know, but it does show inclincation

Thank you for voting!
Bernie Sanders 89.41% (15,560 votes)


Hillary Clinton 8.11% (1,412 votes)


Martin O'Malley 2.48% (431 votes)



Total Votes: 17,403
Return To Poll

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/poll_who_won_mondays_democratic_2016_presidential_town_hall_forum.html

[Rosa Luxemburg]

135. She was squawking at her questioners last night

[LanternWaste]

147. Sanders seems shrill and hysterical.

Sanders seems shrill and hysterical.

There-- one irrelevant, petulant, biased bumper-sticker answered with another just, as irrelevant, petulant and biased.

Hopefully (and let's keep our fingers crossed on this one, 'kay?) we'll both move on to posts of actual substance and relevance rather than repeating ourselves in our poor imitations of third grade school children (unless of course, you desire to rationalize your post as somehow adding to a well-educated discourse... which would bemuse me until I peed).

[Segami]

148. kick!