2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWith all of the indignation around here - Sanders people must think Hillary did well
Well at least you're predictable.Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)
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CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)You can tell how well Hillary did in a debate or town hall by how the number of paranoid posts we get on GDP about how no one was fair to Bernie or how the event was rigged for Clinton. The more greater the number of hysterical posts, the better Hillary must have been.
It speaks to how Sanders supporters need to take a reality check once and a while.
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artislife
(9,497 posts)Deep breath in
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)they resort to using emoticon's, the more the better, so as to distract people from the fact that they have no good answer to a poster's point. So typical.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Sid's a big Hillary fan but hasn't been around much lately.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)yesterday, he's ba-a-a-ack.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)on, beg for more opportunity, more debates? Now that Hillary needs an appearance, it is granted and hosted by a huge Hillary supporter? We're cranked up because this just smacked of rigging the game for the opposing team.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Of course anyone saying that Bernie didn't win can't be objective, right? It's so obvious. If this were a football game and Bernie's team got beat 35-0, Sanders people would claim it was because because the game was rigged or the referees cheated. It is so predictable, it's sad.
You know what the they call you when you claim everyone is out to get you?
Bernie is lucky there weren't ten more debates in prime time. The voters would be so tired of Johnny One Note, Bernie would be toast by now.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Clinton would have dropped out by now.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)not to believe our own eyes or ears.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).... it's just when you process what you saw and heard though your highly prejudiced brain that the messages get distorted. Dealing with reality is not a strong suit of of many Bernie people.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)that we like what our candidate does in much the same way you like yours.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Self deception is not my strong suit.
By the way, I thought Bernie did very well - and I don't believe he can complain about getting the "got ya" questions which everyone was worried about. Yes, he got some push back questions from Cuomo, but so did the other two candidates.
However, Bernie needs to diversity his message. He is Johnny One Note. Every time I time I hear him speak it is exactly the same message. But, why not, he has been beating the same drum for 50 years. It's almost like he is less concerned with being President than he is with pushing the debate and Hillary to the left. And he didn't have a Commander in Chief moment.
Other than that I thought he did very well.
californiabernin
(421 posts)The choice is between the system or something else. The system presented itself well, and so did the something else.
My vote is for something else.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Oh, so you think differently? Too bad you will never get a chance to find out if you are right.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)But misses the largest point.
Nothing of true significance will ever get done without the revolution. We must begin, and begin with what we truly believe in and shout it from sea to shining sea.
Many still don't get that a potential Trump supporter will have more respect for, and more likely to be swayed to vote for Sanders than Clinton over Trump.
This is the end of the establishment as we know it in American politics, one way or the other. Better take heed.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... unless the far left teams up with the far right - those two segments of the popoulation are the most angry, and are far more alike then they would ever believe possible.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)More billionaire handouts the Republicans will vote for, or nothing?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).... of his agenda - which will be absolutely nothing. Not one of his socialist proposals will pass Congress and everyone knows it. He might as well promise free trips to the stars.
californiabernin
(421 posts)Alway start negotiating from a position of strength and what you really believe in, and get others behind you.
You'll end up getting more in the compromise and in time you might even get it all.
AOR
(692 posts)and one who puts very little stock in the currently constructed electoral process as a vehicle for any meaningful change for the struggling working class and those already driven to poverty...I think Clinton did herself no favors tonight and will be crushed in Iowa and New Hampshire by large margins. This from someone who thought Sanders had no chance whatsoever in this election. Clinton is in serious trouble. Clinton supporters truly do not understand the level of anger on the ground for business as usual and the status quo. If I didn't know better - and thought Sanders as political savior might be the answer - I might be Feeling The Bern myself after Clinton's antics and narcissistic arrogance tonight. What a tool.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)It could be a very costly experience.
And yes we understand the level of anger of the far left and the far right. Fortunately neither decide elections in this country, but they are a large part of the problem which makes them so mad.
AOR
(692 posts)is coming from far more of the populace than what you imagine to be the far left or far right. The functionaries of the 1% and the status quo are the only ones who claim such a narrative.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Most of the anger that exists is not fixated on the economic condition of the country. It has been a long road, but the country is finally getting back on an even keel economically. The employment rate is now back into the historically normal range. The underemployment rate is quickly improving. No longer are lower paying jobs the only new jobs coming open; good jobs have really started coming back. Average wages are rising for the first time in a decade.
So where is the anger coming from? That's easy. It is coming from those dissatisfied with the political situation and strangely it is coming from those most responsible for that situation in the first place - the far right surely, but also the far left. These two groups seem intent in pulling their parties further to the extremes. Given the balance in our government mandated by our Constitution, this polarization means that little gets done in Washington, which in turn breeds more anger.
However, the people that I see who are the most angry are relatively well off white liberals, Tea Party zealots, and the far right conservatives. The zealots on both the far left and the far right have more in common than just their anger.
The dissatisfaction on the political extremes on both sides is driven by political leaders who are constantly banging their drums and claiming that country is going to hell in a hand basket and that the system is rigged against them.
Both extremes represent a large very vocal minorities of their respective parties and these groups are both determined to make up for what the lack in numbers with enthusiasm and shear determination.
Both are more inclined to pursue their ideals than to deal with problems common to us all.
Both claim they cannot compromise because to do so would betray their principles.
Both are dead set on nominating politicians who, for the most part are unacceptable, to the those who will decide the Presidential election.
It is time for those of us in the realistic, rational, very wide ranging center of the political spectrum to get equally as dedicated to taking our country back from the extreme elements and nominate people who represent the sane people in this country.
AOR
(692 posts)on how anyone of any political stripe - who doesn't live in an upscale bubble - can buy into such a narrative. There is fiction being peddled as Barack Obama said, but it is Barack Obama and those like yourself who are doing the peddling of fiction. What you profess is easily provable as a completely false narrative. The economic situation of the majority of the working class and millions already driven into poverty is not improving at all. Nearly 50% of Americans are existing on less that $ 27,000 a year, close to 40% of Americans have zero retirement savings and 1 out of every 7 Americans over 65 lives in poverty. Add in child poverty and the expropriation and redistribution of wealth created by the workers to the top and these simple facts don't even begin to tell the story of the realities of destruction on the ground.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Clinton can't compete on a fair and level playing field, that's obvious enough.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Any blind person could see it.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I think she was excellent on that.