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Omaha Steve

(99,497 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:12 AM Jan 2016

The Nation: Why Is Hillary Clinton Using Republican Talking Points to Attack Bernie Sanders?


In a troubling failure of imagination, her campaign paints Sanders as naive for wanting to pursue better relations with Iran.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-hillary-clinton-using-republican-talking-points-to-attack-bernie-sanders/



 Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton during the Democratic presidential primary debate, Saturday, December 19, 2015, at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire. (AP Photo / Jim Cole)


By Ali Gharib

Campaigning in Iowa recently, Hillary Clinton, who is facing tightening primary races in key early states, made a shift. She went after her rival for the Democratic nomination, Bernie Sanders, and she hit him on foreign policy. “Senator Sanders doesn’t talk very much about foreign policy,” Clinton told the crowd in Iowa. “And when he does, it raises concerns because sometimes, it can sound like he hasn’t really thought it through.”

So far, I’m in agreement with the former Secretary of State. Sanders doesn’t talk much about foreign policy. Who, for example, are Sanders’s foreign policy advisers? I pay some attention to these things, and I have no idea. When he’s asked about global affairs, Sanders often steers his answers back to his domestic bêtes noires, such as inequality, and applies the concepts abroad. Not the worst sin in the world—certainly, issues like inequality affect global and geopolitics as much or more than then do at home—but the lack of depth about the specifics of global affairs has long been on display.

The Clinton attack, however, went farther, hitting Sanders on the topic of Iran. Her campaign released an ad featuring Clinton foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan almost mockingly describe Sanders’s various position on Iran. The ad raises three issues: Sanders’s purported proposal to invite Iran to send more troops to Syria to battle the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS); his notion of an anti-ISIS coalition that would include Iran and Saudi Arabia; and his comments during last weekend’s Democratic debate calling for moving toward warmer relations with the Iranians.

Without delving into the details, on the first score, the Clinton camp is basically right; on the second, they’ve got a point. But they fail on the third point, which seems to be based on a willful distortion of Sanders’s position. Here’s what Sanders said on warming relations with Iran:

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The Nation: Why Is Hillary Clinton Using Republican Talking Points to Attack Bernie Sanders? (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2016 OP
Because the needs the DINO vote in the primaries? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #1
Is this a rhetorical question? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #2
No. Just realistic. asuhornets Jan 2016 #23
Scared that your candidate will veer even further right, sure. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #27
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.... Proserpina Jan 2016 #3
Why wouldn't she? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #4
Because she is no Liberal. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #5
Her mindset is that of a Conservative. She is just liberal on a few social issues. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #6
That's exactly it. pangaia Jan 2016 #21
Because that's who she is. cali Jan 2016 #7
Perhaps she learned them while making millions giving "speeches" to Wall Street. jalan48 Jan 2016 #8
To think in November I'll have to vote for her! Herman4747 Jan 2016 #9
Once a Goldwater Girl always a Goldwater Girl. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #10
It's funny that any effective attack against Sanders is simply dismissed as a "Republican talking Freddie Stubbs Jan 2016 #11
any effective attack against Sanders is simply dismissed as a "Republican talking point AlbertCat Jan 2016 #14
Because she's half a Republican? Vinca Jan 2016 #12
She helps pay for them so why not use them? nt raouldukelives Jan 2016 #13
Better Question is... Cryptoad Jan 2016 #15
You mean like Social Security? n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2016 #17
No, Like Federal Income tax Cryptoad Jan 2016 #25
Because it's markedly cheaper than what they pay now AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #20
must not be able to read his new Federal income tax plan Cryptoad Jan 2016 #24
You have to have a Clear Distinction from your Opponent in the GE andrewv1 Jan 2016 #16
exactly. when you an authentic version, restorefreedom Jan 2016 #22
Because "whatever it takes". They'll do ANYTHING. 7962 Jan 2016 #18
Because she believes them? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #19
Another replay from 2007 Jarqui Jan 2016 #26
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
1. Because the needs the DINO vote in the primaries?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:18 AM
Jan 2016

That Iran nonsense seems to have come straight from Debbie's agenda.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
23. No. Just realistic.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jan 2016

Actually I believe it is you and your fellow Bernie supporters who are scared. But you try and project your fears onto Hillary supporters.
We are very comfortable and excited about supporting Hillary and so are a million others. And she was awesome in the Town Hall Monday night.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
27. Scared that your candidate will veer even further right, sure.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jan 2016

That's why we support the progressive, I'm glad it's so obvious, we get tired of having to explain it to you guys.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. Why wouldn't she?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jan 2016

What is hysterical is the willingness of her supporters to march lock-step with her off into rightwing-world.

You could support Clinton and agree with Sanders that single payer universal health care is a better policy.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. Her mindset is that of a Conservative. She is just liberal on a few social issues.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jan 2016

I expect her to act like a Republican most of the time, and I am usually right.


pangaia

(24,324 posts)
21. That's exactly it.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jan 2016

By being allowed by TPTB to support a few 'liberal' social issues here and there, one can give the appearance of being something one is not.

In fact, I believe she actually does support liberal positions on a few social issues.

But that does not make her a progressive, or even a liberal.

And last night when asked by a "Sanders supporter" ( hummm), why many younger people think she is dishonest, she actually, AGAIN, referred to herself as a progressive.

BELCH !!!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. any effective attack against Sanders is simply dismissed as a "Republican talking point
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

As is pointing out Clinton's record.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
12. Because she's half a Republican?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jan 2016

The party has moved right over the years as the wingnut Republicans have gone off the edge of the flat earth and we're now somewhere to the right of Dwight Eisenhower. I think it's time to bring the party kicking and screaming back to its roots.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
15. Better Question is...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jan 2016

Why would anybody that calls themselves a Democrat. create a Federal tax plan that taxes people who are living in poverty???? Bernie Has! Check out his new tax plan!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. Because it's markedly cheaper than what they pay now
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jan 2016

As has been explained a gazillion times already

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
24. must not be able to read his new Federal income tax plan
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jan 2016

Bernies Plan not mine. if u make $1 to $18K , u will be taxes 10%. People who live in poverty should not be taxed on what little income they have.

andrewv1

(168 posts)
16. You have to have a Clear Distinction from your Opponent in the GE
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jan 2016

to win....

Hillary does not & if she is the Nominee, I expect the true Republican to carry the election.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. Because "whatever it takes". They'll do ANYTHING.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jan 2016

Waiting for some kind of corruption accusations to appear out of nowhere

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
26. Another replay from 2007
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jan 2016

Clinton: Obama is naive on foreign policy
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19933710/ns/politics-the_debates/t/clinton-obama-naive-foreign-policy/#.VqeTn5owhiw

Barack Obama’s offer to meet without precondition with leaders of renegade nations such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran touched off a war of words, with rival Hillary Rodham Clinton calling him naive and Obama linking her to President Bush’s diplomacy.

“I thought that was irresponsible and frankly naive,” Clinton was quoted in an interview with the Quad-City Times that was posted on the Iowa newspaper’s Web site on Tuesday.

In response, Obama told the newspaper that her stand puts her in line with the Bush administration.
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