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angrychair

(8,690 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:03 PM Jan 2016

NARAL attack on Sanders unnecessary

NARAL makes a deeply vicious and nasty attack on Sanders after the Town Hall meeting last night in Iowa.

Stating in a release:
"He’s made it clear that, in his mind, the economic critique at the center of his campaign trumps the importance of any identity politics, including gender.

But as Hanson points out, access to health care—and especially to birth control and abortion, which allow women to time their families around their economic situations and their careers—“is an economic issue, and one that's fundamental to a woman's ability to succeed.” Sanders had a great opportunity to make that point last night, and thereby to signal that he really deserved Planned Parenthood’s endorsement. Once again, he passed."
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/01/26/bernie_sanders_just_can_t_get_it_right_with_women_s_groups.html

I don't get the point being made here by NARAL. What long term advantage is gained by casting Sanders as someone that doesn't care (enough) about women's issues?
He has advocated for women's health and pay for decades.

Sanders talked about women in the context of health care, equal pay for equal work and income inequality in general during the Democratic Town Hall on CNN last night.

In fact, Sanders said the word "women" more than any other candidate last night:

Sanders: 12

Clinton: 4

O'Malley: 1 (on edit...missed it)

Transcript from town hall: http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/01/26/cnn-iowa-democratic-presidential-town-hall-rush-transcript/

The attack is very disingenuous and a deeply unfair characterization of Sanders based on his words, his actions, his existing policy statements and his historical record.

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NARAL attack on Sanders unnecessary (Original Post) angrychair Jan 2016 OP
I can't believe it's come to this. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #1
Because "establishment." Fawke Em Jan 2016 #2
+1 (nt) enough Jan 2016 #3
yet these corrupt slaggers expect us to donate to them, No. roguevalley Jan 2016 #53
Whatever It Takes(tm) arcane1 Jan 2016 #54
Disappointing Plucketeer Jan 2016 #66
Facts NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
Not to mention that this wasn't an "attack" Empowerer Jan 2016 #26
disingenuous navarth Jan 2016 #40
The transcript you posted proves you are wrong. O'Malley did mention women: FSogol Jan 2016 #5
My mistake angrychair Jan 2016 #7
Yeah, sorry about that. Crappy day & seeing a lot of total lies about O'M being spread on DU n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #21
AFter what O'Malley did last, I will do all I can to help him raise $ if he doesn't get 15% in Iowa! Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #33
Awesome, OS. Keep up the good work. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #36
No problem angrychair Jan 2016 #34
Thanks for that. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #35
NARAL has done a lot of damage to its image with this emsimon33 Jan 2016 #6
There was nothing dishonest or unprofessional here, why attack her personally? Because synergie Jan 2016 #38
If Sanders did not address reproductive choice for women, MineralMan Jan 2016 #8
Just as you ignore his 100% pro-choice record. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #9
Yes, that is his record. MineralMan Jan 2016 #10
I thought championing something meant you actually vote for it gyroscope Jan 2016 #13
Voting for something is supporting it tammywammy Jan 2016 #14
Abortion is legal in the country gyroscope Jan 2016 #16
btw, what bills has Hillary drawn up gyroscope Jan 2016 #18
There's more to supporting something than simply voting for it. Empowerer Jan 2016 #28
Acknowledge reproductive choice when discussing MineralMan Jan 2016 #19
Sanders mentioned his 100% Naral voting record gyroscope Jan 2016 #22
I'm pretty sure he did mention it. sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #47
Taking passive votes is pretty much paying lip service women want to see synergie Jan 2016 #41
Apologies, I did not mean to imply that. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #15
It's not for me to say how people will react to MineralMan Jan 2016 #23
He mentions it in nearly every stump speech, and at every rally I've ever seen. PotatoChip Jan 2016 #73
He has addressed it and he's been a strong ally. cali Jan 2016 #20
The leadership of NARAL is "being stupid and shortsighted?" MineralMan Jan 2016 #24
Yes, it's fine to endorse her. It's stupid to alienate millennials cali Jan 2016 #29
Yes they are "being stupid and shortsighted" Autumn Jan 2016 #72
Again angrychair Jan 2016 #32
On a side note, moondust Jan 2016 #11
That's kind of what endorsing a candidate actually means. synergie Jan 2016 #42
Not really. moondust Jan 2016 #48
I see, you seem to think that Planned Parenthood is a newspaper and must thus synergie Jan 2016 #52
IGNORED. moondust Jan 2016 #61
Ignoring incovenient facts and clinging to your ignorance about how things work synergie Jan 2016 #65
NARAL cut a deal with the Clinton Campaign. Maedhros Jan 2016 #12
Really? You have evidence for that? MineralMan Jan 2016 #25
I'd allege as much too if my bias depended on it. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #39
It seems that you're putting identity politics ahead of telling the truth. synergie Jan 2016 #49
What about my post is not true? Maedhros Jan 2016 #70
Yeah, the deal is they share a commitment to women's reproductive rights BainsBane Jan 2016 #59
Here's the issue frazzled Jan 2016 #17
Do you have any examples that don't just involve Clinton speaking? jeff47 Jan 2016 #31
Really? angrychair Jan 2016 #46
Your premise that Sanders is a one-issue candidate Z_California Jan 2016 #55
+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #81
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #27
National NARAL execs are the same bozos who endorsed Joe Lieberman Larkspur Jan 2016 #30
thanks for that info. Human Rights Campaign did the same thing, endorsed Lieberman over Lamont! nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #57
Your last line Lordquinton Jan 2016 #37
NARAL is hearing about it on facebook! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #43
I took a look and no they do not like NARAL's choice one bit azurnoir Jan 2016 #45
Love the blowback from NARAL supporters against this. senz Jan 2016 #56
"The women" BainsBane Jan 2016 #60
Thank you for this. Needed to be said. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #68
Thank you. This is awesome! R B Garr Jan 2016 #71
Oh, how you nailed it. Number23 Jan 2016 #74
Bingo! NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #85
NARAL will support Bernie Sanders when he's our Democratic nominee.. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #44
And at that point, who will care? Proserpina Jan 2016 #64
But it will be picked up and repeated. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #50
100% NARAL rating? Not good enough, Bernie! jfern Jan 2016 #51
What do you expect when a candidate calls PP "establishment" BainsBane Jan 2016 #58
Interesting angrychair Jan 2016 #69
NARAL spokeswoman who spoke against Bernie is also a DNC Regional Press Secretary Arazi Jan 2016 #77
What's more establishment than that? BainsBane Jan 2016 #89
It's Establishment politics Arazi Jan 2016 #90
+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #82
AMEN, BainesBane. Bullseye. Hekate Jan 2016 #83
Amen, sister. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #87
SPOT ON. Sanders and his fans continue to attack progressive orgs that do not fall into lockstep NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #88
All I can think about is when Susan Komen got political & went after PP Women were outraged. jillan Jan 2016 #62
NARAL went off the rails quite some time ago Proserpina Jan 2016 #63
Short-sighted and STUPID. AzDar Jan 2016 #67
How was that "vicious and nasty"? George II Jan 2016 #75
First angrychair Jan 2016 #79
Unnecessary is the nicest possible word for it. merrily Jan 2016 #76
Seems wealthy private interests are controlling a lot of non-profit Zorra Jan 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #80
I get that postatomic angrychair Jan 2016 #84
You don't see why, because you don't want to see Cary Jan 2016 #86
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. I can't believe it's come to this.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

Progressive organizations attacking arguably the most progressive candidate in Congress because...reasons.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. Facts
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

1) Sanders is running against the "establishment."
2) Sanders supporters are anti-establishment and attacking everything they can define as "establishment."
3) Sanders called PP a part of the "establishment" giving his supporters the green light for a full offensive against PP.

Sanders knew exactly what he was doing. That is why you won't see me get pissed at the attacks on him. Damn straight. Sanders went after the progressive establishment that is PP. This is necessary to fight back at the verbiage Sanders knowingly used against great progressive organizations.

Whoever you got your numbers("women&quot from is wrong as well.




navarth

(5,927 posts)
40. disingenuous
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie was referring to the leadership of PP because the rank-and-file had no say in the endorsement. But you knew that.

FSogol

(45,470 posts)
5. The transcript you posted proves you are wrong. O'Malley did mention women:
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016
How about this, the long deferred promise of equal pay for equal work for men and women?


The attack is very disingenuous and a deeply unfair characterization, blah, blah, blah

Omaha Steve

(99,573 posts)
33. AFter what O'Malley did last, I will do all I can to help him raise $ if he doesn't get 15% in Iowa!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

I have already kicked in $70 for him. I did a $50 match the Hillary people treated like leprosy and could have had for Hillary. I gave $10 when the NRA went after him. And $10 when I opened the DU Act Blue account.

OS

Donate to O'Malley here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforomalley

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
34. No problem
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jan 2016

I get it and understand. We are good. There are things a I like about O'Malley and see him as my second choice of the three we have this cycle.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
6. NARAL has done a lot of damage to its image with this
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jan 2016

I would have expected more honesty and professionalism from Ilyse Hogue, who was formerly with MoveOn.org.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
38. There was nothing dishonest or unprofessional here, why attack her personally? Because
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

she's not on board with your chosen candidate?

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
8. If Sanders did not address reproductive choice for women,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

he missed a chance to demonstrate something. I didn't watch, so I don't know firsthand whether he mentioned it or not, but according to this, he did not.

Few issues are as crucial to many women as reproductive choice. It's a fundamental issue that is only really faced by those who will carry and bear children. To ignore that is to ignore one extremely important thing.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
10. Yes, that is his record.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

I'm aware of it, and do not ignore it. However, if you're seeking support from women, it's worth mentioning when you have an opportunity. It's one thing to vote for reproductive choice. It's another to champion that issue.

I ignore nothing. I'm as aware of Bernie Sanders' record in the Senate as anyone here. Please do not assume anything about me. My choice of a candidate support is not based on ignorance. It never is.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
13. I thought championing something meant you actually vote for it
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jan 2016

not just pay lip service. What else do you expect him to do exactly?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
14. Voting for something is supporting it
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

A champion would be an advocate for an issue. Someone that draws up a bill, goes on a talk circuit drumming up support for the cause, etc.

There's supporters and then there's champions/advocates for a cause.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
19. Acknowledge reproductive choice when discussing
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jan 2016

issues important to women. Championing something means speaking out in favor of it or otherwise making your support publicly known. Many women expect the politicians they will vote for to be vocal about reproductive choice and their support for it. Hillary Clinton is outspoken on the issue. It's no wonder, then, that she has the support of women for whom that is a crucial issue.

Does Bernie Sanders support reproductive choice? Yes, he does. He consistently votes for measures that protect it. Did he speak about it at that opportunity? No, he did not. So, people who care deeply about the topic noticed that.

I'm a man. I can't get pregnant, and I've never caused a pregnancy. However, my support for reproductive choice is supported by my actions and words over the years. I don't get to vote on such measures often, but I can show up to support PP when a protest against it is going on and serve as an escort. That I have done many times over the years.

Sanders' lapse in not mentioning that issue at that town hall may well have cost him the support of some people. I can't say, but apparently someone did say that. Someone with a strong voice that is heard by many women.

It was a mistake for him not to speak out on that topic. People make mistakes. Maybe he'll correct it soon.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
22. Sanders mentioned his 100% Naral voting record
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

when the lady in the audience asked him about his support of women's rights. how can you say he didn't mention it?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
41. Taking passive votes is pretty much paying lip service women want to see
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

leaders who will take an active stance in promoting women's basic rights, not just passively playing defense. He has a 100% pro-choice record, so did Hillary, she just took it further by actively introducing bills that dealt with issues women face.

I'm sorry you don't like the outcome, but they're were pretty open and honest about WHY they chose to support the candidate that they did, attacking them for doing so kinda shows the tone-deafness on this issue by the Bernie supporters. Even those who are 100% pro-Bernie are annoyed by these attacks.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
15. Apologies, I did not mean to imply that.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

What i mean to say is that one shouldn't look at a tactical campaigning error (failing to mention reproductive choice in a speech) as any evidence that he is not a fierce ally on women's health issues.

There is campaigning errors and then there are policy errors. This one goes into the first category and it would be a mistake to read into the second based on it.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
23. It's not for me to say how people will react to
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

"tactical campaigning errors." Every individual has agency to react as they react. This thread is about NARAL's statement. Apparently, some members and leaders of that organization noted the error and have reacted by speaking about it and praising Clinton.

I have nothing to do with what anyone at NARAL says. There is a campaign going on right now. Errors in campaigns may have consequences, as has been demonstrated on many occasions.

I did not read anything into this. I'm simply discussing the OP.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
73. He mentions it in nearly every stump speech, and at every rally I've ever seen.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jan 2016

The quotes below are just a few of them.


1) “At rallies in Vermont and across the country this weekend, our message was clear. We are not going back. Not only are we not going to retreat on women's rights, we are going to expand them. We are going forward, not backward.”

2) “I have a lifetime 100% pro-choice voting record. I understand that people disagree on this issue, but I believe that it is a woman's decision, it's a difficult decision, but it's a decision between her and her physician. I will do everything that I can in 50 states of this country to make sure that women have a choice.”

3) "Not only are we going to expand policies that advance gender equality, we are going to fight to pass the long-overdue Equal Rights Amendment and vigorously defend the critical laws and programs which protect all working people in our country.

4) “The current attempt to discredit Planned Parenthood is part of a long-term smear campaign by people who want to deny women in this country the right to control their own bodies.”

5) “The right wing in this country is waging a war against women, and let me be very clear, it is not a war that we are going to allow them to win.”

6) “Today's House vote to defund Planned Parenthood is nothing more than a right-wing attack against women. Part of a war we won't let them win.”

7) “We are going to fight to pass the long over-due Equal Rights Amendment.”

8) “We aren't going back. Not only are we not going to retreat on women's rights, we're going to expand them. We are going forward, not backward.”

9) “We are not going back. We are not returning to the days of back-room abortions, when countless women died or were maimed. The decision about abortion must remain a decision for the woman, her family and a physician to make, not the government.”

http://www.betterworld.net/quotes/bernie/bernie41.htm
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. He has addressed it and he's been a strong ally.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

Mostly they're being stupid and shortsighted. If their hope is to diminish his support among young women, which is much stronger than Hillary's, they'll fail. And though Bernie probably won't win the nomination, he'll return to the Senate with greatly increased power and influence- on the level of Warren.

This is a guy who has a 100% rating from NARAL.


And I think you, a man, lecturing women about the vital importance of reproductive rights, is mansplaining at its ugliest.

You know jack about having an abortion. No man can.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
24. The leadership of NARAL is "being stupid and shortsighted?"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

Really. That seems like an odd thing to say. I certainly admit that I can know nothing about having an abortion. Nor have I ever impregnated any woman. I am, however, 100% for full reproductive rights of all women. I always have been.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
29. Yes, it's fine to endorse her. It's stupid to alienate millennials
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

Surely you can figure out why that is.

And great that you support abortion rights, but don't lecture women on how important those rights are to us. You seem clueless about why that's offensive.

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
72. Yes they are "being stupid and shortsighted"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

To attack a man who has stood with them 100% as Kaylie Hanson did goes well beyond stupid and shortsighted. I have no problem with NARAL endorsing hillary but she crossed the line when she lied about Bernie.

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
32. Again
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

He mentioned women 12 times, more than anyone else. He talked about the importance of PP and the amazing work they do. He talked about his own lifetime rating with those organizations supporting women's rights and health. He talked about equal pay and social security benefits for women. As well as the difference his healthcare plan will make for everyone, including women.

Lastly, if that is so important, why not level the same criticism on Clinton? I went back through her entire part of the Town Hall transcript and found no mention of women's reproductive health rights. Again, she only said the word "women" 4 times during the Town Hall, none of they about reproductive health care.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
11. On a side note,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jan 2016

Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood is in Iowa campaigning for Hillary (as of last night on Chris Hayes). I think it's one thing to endorse somebody but something else to travel quite a distance to actively campaign for somebody when many of your clients no doubt endorse another candidate. And when you're so close to an establishment candidate that you're traveling quite a distance to actively campaign for them, you might as well go ahead and consider yourself part of the establishment.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
48. Not really.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

Many newspapers and other organizations endorse candidates all the time but do you see their employees out actively campaigning for their endorsees?

I suspect Cecile Richards may be using the opportunity to advance her own career, possibly in politics like her mother. That may be the case for some other endorsers as well.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
52. I see, you seem to think that Planned Parenthood is a newspaper and must thus
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

behave like one of them? The unions who endorse and many other organizations only have valuable endorsements because their members and leaders do the actual work of canvassing etc.

That's why you see all the other people and organizations and their leaders on the stump, it works that way for Bernie too.

I suspect that you don't understand much about Cecille Richards nor do you understand much about how endorsements work or who is out there doing the active campaigning in general on any side.

Cecile Richards is already high profile, she doesn't need this to advance her career or to go into politics like her mom, and stating such uneducated things, selectively about the people who endorsed a candidate you don't like really doesn't make for a very good argument, and it's rather lame for a conspiracy theory as well.

Why don't you turn your attention to those who have not endorsed, but are still pretending to be unbiased journalists who are using the opportunity to advance their own career by blatantly supporting your favorite candidate?

Endorsers are doing their job, the journalists are not.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
65. Ignoring incovenient facts and clinging to your ignorance about how things work
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jan 2016

in reality is not a rational way to live life. I'm sorry that you choose to dig into false beliefs and conspiracy theories that suit your emotions better than simple facts do. This does not change how endorsements work, nor does it excuse attacking NARAL, PP, and Cecile Richards based upon that lack of understanding.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
12. NARAL cut a deal with the Clinton Campaign.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jan 2016

In exchange for access and support, they agreed to attack Sanders. A standard Inside-the-Beltway business practice. In this particular case, NARAL is placing identity politics ahead of the best interests of women.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. I'd allege as much too if my bias depended on it.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

I'd allege as much too if my bias depended on it. Granted, we'd both dramatically fail to provide objective evidence to support our creative and imaginative allegations; but if asked to, all we need to do is scream "third way!" and then quickly change the subject.

Buffoonery can only be met with more buffoonery.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
70. What about my post is not true?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

Does quid pro quo not apply to the endorsements of national political organizations?

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
59. Yeah, the deal is they share a commitment to women's reproductive rights
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

You can't reason with people like that.



frazzled

(18,402 posts)
17. Here's the issue
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jan 2016

And it goes back to arguments we were having at the very beginning of this race.

Sure, Bernie Sanders (usually) raises his hand to vote. That's a necessary but not sufficient condition. It's what we expect of any Democrat (or Democrat-for-the-purposes-of-running candidate). And he pays the expected, nominal lip-service to issues of race or gender when they arise. He says the right things when they become issues in the campaign (or when there is a vote in Congress). But he does not go far enough. Sanders's singular focus on banks and the "billionaire class" as the answer to any issue misses huge swaths of reality for the majority of Americans. Getting rid of banks and billionaires will not help African American job seekers get interviews (or god forbid, actual job offers). It won't end being stopped by police (even if they are world famous tennis stars or politicians). It won't address inequality in primary education. It won't reverse states' incursions into women's ability to make their own reproductive decisions--decisions that are HUGELY significant to their ability to secure their economic futures.

Hillary Clinton has seen inequality in broader terms, and she even addressed that well last night, defining inequality to include issues beyond those narrowly focused on the financial sector. And she details a few of her actions that have gone beyond votes or speeches into actual action

I think it's fair to say that I have a 40-year record of going after inequality. And not only economic inequality: racial inequality, sexist inequality, homophobic inequality. The kinds of things that go after people to put them down and push them back.

So since I was a young lawyer my first job in the Children's Defense Fund, I took on the problem of juveniles in adult jails. What kind of inequality can you imagine that's worse than that, taking a child and putting them in with adult prisoners? And we went right after that to change that.

I went after schools that were being turned into private schools that were really there because they wanted to escape integration in the south. I went by myself down to Alabama to do investigations because again, inequality stalks our education system.

I was on the Legal Services Corporation. I chaired the board. Inequality's also about not being able to get a lawyer. You can't afford them. You can't stand up and have your voice heard and have your case adjudicated.

So I have a really long history of taking on all kinds of inequality. And when I went to Beijing in 1995 and said human rights were women's rights and women's rights were human rights that was a statement about inequality: economic inequality, education inequality, cultural inequality ... every kind of inequality you can imagine.

Now, when you focus just narrowly on economic inequality, I've also been in that fight. I was in that fight during my husband's administration. And let's remember what happened there.

At the end of eight years, we not only had 23 million new jobs, what was most important is incomes grew for everybody, not just those at the top, more people were lifted out of poverty, incomes rose, in the middle and working people.


http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/01/26/cnn-iowa-democratic-presidential-town-hall-rush-transcript/








jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. Do you have any examples that don't just involve Clinton speaking?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jan 2016

Perhaps actually doing something? Say, introducing legislation to push back against TRAP laws? Trying to get more reproductive care into Medicaid?

Statements are easy. Easier than votes. What hard work has she done?

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
46. Really?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

Haven't people like you beat a hole in that drumhead yet? This"Bernie is stuck on a single issue" falsehood is so last month.

Bernie has spoken, often and with great passion, on LGBTQ rights, women's rights and the rights of people of color. Not just his words but in his deeds. PP, NARAL, Human Rights Campaign, NAACP all give him a 100% rating, he was the co-founder of the Progressive Cacus in Congress.

He mentioned the word "women" 12 times during his portion of the Town hall. Sanders programs, enacted as written, will do more to advance women, especially disenfranchised women, access to healthcare than any other in modern history. It matters and it is a big deal.

Z_California

(650 posts)
55. Your premise that Sanders is a one-issue candidate
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

is false. He has an extensive record on all of the issues in word and deed and to suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest (also known as dishonest).

Response to angrychair (Original post)

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
30. National NARAL execs are the same bozos who endorsed Joe Lieberman
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jan 2016

over Ned Lamont in 2006; whereas, the CT NARAL and CT Planned Parenthood presidents endorse Lamont that year. National PP also endorsed Lieberman in 2006, so yeah PP and NARAL are part of the corrupt Democratic establishment.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
37. Your last line
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

"The attack is very disingenuous and a deeply unfair characterization of Sanders based on his words, his actions, his existing policy statements and his historical record."

Sums up the campaign against Sanders from all angles.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
56. Love the blowback from NARAL supporters against this.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

Not all prochoice women are as unthinking as the current NARAL leaders, and now NARAL knows it.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
60. "The women"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016

You mean all "the women" who agree Bernie's career matters more than their basic reproductive rights?

I'm sure NARAL is well familiar with the tactic, given the PP, the Human Rights Council, one progressive legislator after another and the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, and James Garner, and many dozens of unions have all experienced it.

The Bernie supporters enemies list is extensive, and includes virtually every individual and organization who champions social justice, equal rights, and working-class organizations have all experienced it. Woe be to those who imagine their democratic rights matter in this current climate where a group of internet thugs are certain that none of the lives, concerns, or interests of anyone who fails to endorse Bernie could possibly matter compared to their own impenetrable sense of self-entitlement. That they share that enemies list with the GOP is itself illuminating.

When supporters make clear organizations like PP and NARAL are their enemies, they provide absolute evidence that those organizations were right to endorse another candidate.

I will now prepare myself for another series of posting linking to pro-life organizations celebrating attacks on organizations that champion women's equal rights. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=992133

Number23

(24,544 posts)
74. Oh, how you nailed it.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

I laugh every time I see someone crowing about how someone's Facebook/Twitter has been shat on because they dared to not support Sanders.

But reading your post and your accurate characterization of the people who engage in this kind of crap as "internet thugs," I realize it's alot more pitiful than funny. And it's incredibly counter productive as well.

That they share that enemies list with the GOP is itself illuminating.

Ain't it though?

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
44. NARAL will support Bernie Sanders when he's our Democratic nominee..
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

they all will. I've always supported NARAL and always will. I disagree with this choice, but they'll be with me soon enough.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
64. And at that point, who will care?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jan 2016

Their support will not stand out and be counted. That kind of Me-too-ism is cowardly.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
58. What do you expect when a candidate calls PP "establishment"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

and some of his supporters link to and support pro-lifers in working to defend the only organization that provides reproductive healthcare in great swaths of the country? I heard the dog whistles loud and clear, and so did NARAL. Attacks on PP, the Human Rights Council, and the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and James Garner, in conjunction with the attacks on Black Lives Matter last summer--all convince me that I cannot count on Sanders or many of his supporters to defend my rights.

Sanders is politically astute at tapping into white rage, especially white male rage. He's made clear he is working to attract those voters. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/27/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-middle-class-voters/ That is his right, but you can't expect the rest of us not to take that as a clear message.

NARAL is absolutely right. He does not stand with me, and I do not stand with him.

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
69. Interesting
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jan 2016

You've created as divisive and disingenuous reply as you can and managed indignant fortitude in your stance to never support Sanders.

I use words like "divisive" and "disingenuous" since you reference a link as your source and have either never read it or deliberately misrepresented it.

From your own source link:
"What I'm suggesting is that what Trump has done with some success has taken that anger, taken those fears -- which are legitimate -- and converted them into anger against Mexicans, anger against Muslims," Sanders said.

But while he made the case that both candidates had tapped into a similar frustration, Sanders was careful to underline the different approach he offered -- a sharp contrast to Trump's often controversial or demeaning rhetorical spasms.

"For his working class and middle class support," Sanders said, "we can make the case that if we really want to address the issues that people are concerned about...we need policies that bring us together, that take on the greed of Wall Street the greed of corporate America and create a middle class that works for all of us rather than an economy that works just for a few."

Not sure where you got "white male rage" but terminology like that is unbefitting someone that has worked their entire life for the healthcare and rights for women, LGBTQ and people of color and has a 100% rating from PP, NARAL, Human Rights Campaign and the NAACP and was a co-founder of the progressive caucus. He has fought for these things for decades, not just words but action.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
77. NARAL spokeswoman who spoke against Bernie is also a DNC Regional Press Secretary
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jan 2016

doesnt get anymore a part of the "establishment" than that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511072779

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
90. It's Establishment politics
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jan 2016

A NARAL spokeswoman is also a DNC spokeswoman.

Establishment politics writ large.

There's a difference. Sorry it's too subtle for you



NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
88. SPOT ON. Sanders and his fans continue to attack progressive orgs that do not fall into lockstep
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

with their very narrow worldview.

It is absolutely disgusting to witness.

I just wonder what the next Progressive organization will be thrown under the Sanders bus.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
62. All I can think about is when Susan Komen got political & went after PP Women were outraged.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

Komen is still trying to recover. They ended up losing support & donations from the very women they were there to help.

This is so similar.
I'm 60 - I have been an advocate for women's rights ever since my college days. I always donate to PP because they were there for me when I needed them. When my daughter was a teenager I told her that I didn't want to know when she became sexually active but I made her promise me she would go to Planned Parenthood first & I told her where they were located. I told her they would take care of her.... That's how much I believe in them.

Now they did this. To attack a democratic candidate that has a 100% rating from their organization? This is not right. It's infuriating when the GOP uses women's healthcare as a political talking point. This is not much different! I would hope that Hillary supporters would agree.

Our breasts and vaginas are NOT political.
Shame on NARAL & PP!!

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
63. NARAL went off the rails quite some time ago
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

around Reagan, I think. They had a collective stroke or something. Have been speaking gibberish since.

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. How was that "vicious and nasty"?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jan 2016

So now when anyone or any organization comments on Sanders' statements it's "vicious and nasty"?

How is that compared to the stuff that has been thrown at Hillary Clinton over the last three decades? Or what's been said about her on this very site the last year or so?

By the way, one's level of support support fir women isn't measured by the number of times a person uses the word "women".

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
79. First
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016

We are talking specifically about the NARAL spokeperson response to Bernie Sanders part of last night's town hall in Iowa. It has nothing to do with what some teapublican operative said about HRC 10 years ago. You will get no arguement from me that HRC has faced far more criticism than most and most undeserved.

The spokesperson's comments were vicious and nasty because the insinuation is either he doesn't care or doesn't care 'enough' about women's health to talk about it 'enough' during the Town Hall.
As I have stated several times in my OP and responses, Sanders talked about the importance of PP and the amazing work they do. He talked about his own lifetime rating with those organizations supporting women's rights and health. He talked about equal pay and social security benefits for women. As well as the difference his healthcare plan will make for everyone, including women and most importantly disenfranchised women who face significant healthcare challenges.

Sanders has spoken, often and with great passion, on LGBTQ rights, women's rights and the rights of people of color. He has for years. It is reflected not just in his words but in his deeds. PP, NARAL, Human Rights Campaign and the NAACP all give him a 100% rating, he was the co-founder of the Progressive Cacus in Congress.

His credibility and dedication to the causes of women's healthcare and pay equity are above reproach.

Lastly, I never stated his use of the word "women" was a measure of his commitment to women's healthcare, only to point out that, in the specific case of this town hall, his comments were heavily focused on answering questions related to conerns that focused on women.

Sanders actions, policy statements and voting record speak to that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
76. Unnecessary is the nicest possible word for it.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jan 2016

According to another post here, the person who attacked was a DNC official.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1072779

They are supposed to be neutral.

Her question made it about endorsements.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1072075

Sanders has had a 100% rating from NARAL throughout his career and has been to Hillary's left on choice, at least at times. (Sorry. I am only human. I have only so much time and energy. Therefore, I don't keep up with the details and timing of all the evolutions on one issue after another.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511072034#post5

This reeks.





Zorra

(27,670 posts)
78. Seems wealthy private interests are controlling a lot of non-profit
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jan 2016

organizations these days.

The HRC is another example.

Response to angrychair (Original post)

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
84. I get that postatomic
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

I understand her comments and very aware of Sanders' statements as well.

In the case of this NARAL spokesperson statement, it goes further than minor criticism on a specific policy issue or this particular event. It attacks his commitment to women's healthcare, which is a ridiculous attack that is unwarranted and crude.

Bernie has spoken, often and with great passion, on LGBTQ rights, women's rights and the rights of people of color. Not just his words but in his deeds. PP, NARAL, Human Rights Campaign, NAACP all give him a 100% rating, he was the co-founder of the Progressive Cacus in Congress. He has fought the fight of women's reproductive rights and access to healthcare and pay equity for decades.
Sanders programs, enacted as written, will do more to advance women, especially disenfranchised women, access to healthcare than any other in modern history.

To your last comment, I get it but not what I'm doing or what I have ever done.

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