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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:43 AM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders campaign spokesman urges Bernie supporters to be respectful

mike casca – Verified account ‏@cascamike

if you support @berniesanders, please follow the senator's lead and be respectful when people disagree with you.

8:47 PM - 25 Jan 2016
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cascamike/status/691844891652001792


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mike casca – Verified account ‏@cascamike

agree with @joanwalsh. no one should apologize or face abuse for supporting any candidate. let’s work to create a more inclusive politics.
1:43 PM - 27 Jan 2016
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cascamike/status/692462875676393472


From Joan Walsh :

When I’ve disclosed that my daughter works for Clinton—in The Nation, on MSNBC, and on social media—we’ve both come in for trolling so vile it’s made me not merely defensive of her. It’s forced me to recognize how little society respects the passion of the many young women—and men—who are putting their souls into electing the first female president. It’s one thing to note that Sanders is winning among millennials; that’s true. It’s another to impugn the competence and dignity of the literally millions of millennials who support Clinton. Social-media trolls have had several fascinating and stunningly sexist reactions to the news of my daughter’s position. Obviously, she can’t be competent; I must have gotten her the job (in fact, she got it through a high-school friend who worked for Clinton and recommended her.) Obviously, she can’t think for herself; I must have indoctrinated her to support Clinton over Sanders. Or the flip side: Obviously, I have no integrity, and I support Clinton over Sanders only because my daughter is on her payroll.


Watching people trash your daughter on social media isn’t fun. It got worse when Hillary Clinton’s Twitter account retweeted her, and worse again when she tweeted about Planned Parenthood’s Cecile Richards, a woman she admires, in the wake of the group’s controversial decision to endorse Clinton. It turns out Richards’s daughter works for Clinton as well, and that began a new round of insults to both our daughters. Either they were beneficiaries of our nepotism, or they somehow used their influence to corrupt their dimwit mothers into ignoring Sanders’s obviously superior feminist qualifications. It is interesting to me that none of the ladies—not Clinton, not me nor my daughter, not Richards nor her daughter—are credited with competence or integrity when the Berniebot keyboard warriors break it all down.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-im-supporting-hillary-clinton-with-joy-and-without-apologies/
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Bernie Sanders campaign spokesman urges Bernie supporters to be respectful (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP
Does it apply to Hillary supporters too? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #1
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Jan 2016 #102
Hillary supporters don't swarm social media like assholes every time some endorses KittyWampus Jan 2016 #115
Should probably start that sentence with "No one notices the few remaining..." Android3.14 Jan 2016 #126
Hey Kitty Kitty Kitty............. bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #128
No, they do other obnoxious things AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #133
It just seems like swarming because there's just so damn many of us.. frylock Jan 2016 #137
Because there's no enthusiasm for her. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #153
Just shows Bernie's surrounded himself by better people WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #116
Agree! Rockyj Jan 2016 #146
For the most part I think many are respectful, that is a great reminder from the Sander's campaign. slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #2
Tell that to Gabby Giffords, Planned Parenthood, Paul Krugman and Sybrina Fulton. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #3
Explain and remember most people do not even know of DU. nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #7
Right, because telling someone that you respectfully disagree with them.. frylock Jan 2016 #44
Short excerpt of John Avignone in Salon Des Moines De Mon Jan 2016 #80
Ridiculous attack on Bernie supporters CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #103
I always back up my defense of him with facts. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #154
LOL! No, Sanders supporters aren't respectful and one shouldn't excuse the behavior. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #117
Right, every last one of them. frylock Jan 2016 #121
Ah. I was wondering why Barack asked Bernie to step into his office this morning. ucrdem Jan 2016 #4
Looks like somebody was called into the principal's office. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #9
So you think that the President CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #14
And we're the ones who live in a fantasy world.. frylock Jan 2016 #46
This is the pathetic cycle of the silly season! nt artislife Jan 2016 #55
I'm having a blast! frylock Jan 2016 #58
Okay, THAT made me laugh.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #65
Hi. SamKnause Jan 2016 #66
Yes. Sanders requested the meeting to ask Obama to scold Sanders' Supporters. merrily Jan 2016 #81
You just posted an article calling on Sanders' supporters to be respectful and then femmedem Jan 2016 #99
It had been scheduled for a month. This Karma13612 Jan 2016 #100
Respectfully catnhatnh Jan 2016 #11
There are no coincidences in politics. ucrdem Jan 2016 #12
This is true. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #27
Then DWS running HRC's 2008 NH campaign isn't a coincidence. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #69
+1 BeanMusical Jan 2016 #79
LOL! If you say so, it must be gospel! merrily Jan 2016 #82
you guys have spent way too much time contemplating the majesty of your own navels, I think. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #15
I defer to DU's unofficial navel commander. ucrdem Jan 2016 #16
I know a ship that is dangerously close to sinking when I see one, that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #19
For reals. frylock Jan 2016 #139
Navel gazing passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #71
+1. It couldn't of had anything to do with Sanders blocking Obama's FDA pick, right? FSogol Jan 2016 #120
Omg, you're serious. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22
Wow.. Just.... wow. frylock Jan 2016 #50
It's best just to smile, wave and nod. merrily Jan 2016 #86
What? artislife Jan 2016 #48
"should have had no one run against her" - that's it, right there. That's the whole enchilada. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #59
and projection of victimization passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #72
Yeah. I am very happy with Bernie, but I certainly wanted Warren to run early on. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #95
I think it would be really great if Warren was chosen as VP passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #149
I agree. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #150
I agree with your point too passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #151
Hi. SamKnause Jan 2016 #64
love the responses - seems a sense of humor has evaporated for some DrDan Jan 2016 #106
They're dead serious. frylock Jan 2016 #138
You don't know shit about what the talked about. morningfog Jan 2016 #107
This is long past due KingFlorez Jan 2016 #5
That can cut both ways, where is the statement from the Clinton campaign? I applaud the Sanders slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #8
It could, but it usually doesn't. There is much more Hillary hate than Bernie hate. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #67
I don't mind the criticism of her record rpannier Jan 2016 #73
Exactly. What she did in high school pnwmom Jan 2016 #97
This^^^I've experienced it myself and at 19 was President of Nixon's Young Republicans in libdem4life Jan 2016 #108
She has the blood of a million innocent dead Iraqis on her hands. Or are KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #122
You do realize that you have said absolutely nothing and cannot backup your assertion, but try nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #93
You know it as well as I do. pnwmom Jan 2016 #98
Statement?... you mean this one?... cue crickets... chirp chirp... chirp chirp... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #85
I would be fine with that ticket, oh what a wonderful world it would be... but slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #96
Says someone who likens themselves to a "king"...nt artislife Jan 2016 #49
It's a username KingFlorez Jan 2016 #129
Good, Hillary should call on her supporters to be respectful as well Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #6
No, that's okay. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #17
The worst offenders will kick and rec this thread, too. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #20
Yeah, isn't that something? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #37
There's a huge difference between people critiquing Bernie on a public ecstatic Jan 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jan 2016 #51
Cyber stalking? Like conspiring on another website against DUers? frylock Jan 2016 #52
So far, I've only seen stalking /cyber bullying coming from Bernie's side. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #74
Here's 3 from today Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #84
Nice try, but none of them have been kicked under the bus, insulted, or bullied. ecstatic Jan 2016 #157
Hillary supporters are no slouches on facebook and twitter. merrily Jan 2016 #88
Talk about too little, too late. n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #10
Orpheus got off easy compared to what they did to Chelsea. ucrdem Jan 2016 #13
And what about Amy. nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #24
The "kid" is 34, chose to make herself a public figure and lied. merrily Jan 2016 #89
Bringing up that speech by Chelsea even surprised me. She was jumped on immediately libdem4life Jan 2016 #109
I'll take things that no longer matter for $100, Alex. merrily Jan 2016 #112
For real. And it's still embarassing as hell that things are so out of hand that the campaign had Number23 Jan 2016 #33
A definitive statement from Bernie himself ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #38
That's what I was expecting back in JULY when his "supporters" first started sliming BLM and random Number23 Jan 2016 #40
Like you, I also "expected" something ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #45
Agreed, and it stll continues Iliyah Jan 2016 #70
Sanders indicated months ago that he knew this was coming. DFW Jan 2016 #83
"Last fall he said for the record that he expected ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #156
That, of course, is another matter DFW Jan 2016 #161
Yes, he did fire staff ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #162
I'm sure all those self-identified Bernie supporters are real supporters and not other campaigns Skwmom Jan 2016 #18
Will Hillary call on her supporters to stop acting like Republicans? Prism Jan 2016 #21
I do believe your post is just the sort of thing Mike Casca was talking about. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #23
Fortunately for me, Bernie isn't a religious figure Prism Jan 2016 #25
So sorry ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #34
Having this issue in my family...2 nieces in their 50s, it is much better than it was. libdem4life Jan 2016 #111
Definitely better than it was ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #163
Well on cue you have made the op's point, congrats Iliyah Jan 2016 #77
Since we are in the same thread again, proof of the Feb 1st scheduled debate, still waiting? nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #26
As I said, he made no conditions when he agreed. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #31
So you admit you were wrong, thank you!!! There was nothing in the link you provided as proof ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #39
I made no mistake about Sanders going back on his word. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #47
You did make a mistake and now you are compounding and confusing that mistake with another date ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #56
I made no mistake about Bernie flip flopping. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #61
Yes you did, the "unsanctioned debate' and never agreed upon date, do you get it ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #68
Bernie agreed with Rachel to another debate if HRC & MOM were in. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #62
You know DNC involvement is a condition Hillary has set, right? merrily Jan 2016 #90
Perhaps if Bernie will call on his to stop using Republican tactics to attack his synergie Jan 2016 #57
Please see Reply 11. merrily Jan 2016 #91
Oh, please give it a break, geez. Iliyah Jan 2016 #75
Ridiculous post. redstateblues Jan 2016 #132
No. Anyone who espouses Republican talking points is a Republican.. frylock Jan 2016 #140
Best message possible libodem Jan 2016 #28
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #32
Good luck with that here. longship Jan 2016 #29
Not sure what happened to get you banned and thanks for realizing that if you think you were slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #43
I'll go along with you there. ;-) longship Jan 2016 #135
Fair enough! BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #127
Yep, and again and again its ugly. Iliyah Jan 2016 #30
Perhaps they realize that it is hurting Sanders' campaign Empowerer Jan 2016 #35
Of course it is. Look at all the ugly comments on FB & twitter and other social media against Iliyah Jan 2016 #60
Yeah, his campaign is in freefall. frylock Jan 2016 #141
Good to see this. elleng Jan 2016 #36
Your obsession with Sanders supporters is fascinating. frylock Jan 2016 #42
As in 24/7 trashing HRC by them on mostly every thread? Iliyah Jan 2016 #53
As I said. frylock Jan 2016 #54
And the double standards are hilarious. merrily Jan 2016 #92
OH, NO! KID PRO QUO UPSETS A BRO!!!!!!!111!!!! mhatrw Jan 2016 #63
Joan Walsh is editorializing quite a bit. Maedhros Jan 2016 #76
You didn't miss the part where she said her daughter works for Hillary, did you? merrily Jan 2016 #94
Joan's vitriolic screeds on Salon are things of pathetic beauty. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2016 #136
I have a feeling that this is indicative MrChuck Jan 2016 #78
+1 Well said! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #87
Good post. I'm older than you and I see the same thing. yardwork Jan 2016 #125
Too late! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #101
sound advice . . . and falling on deaf ears I am quite confident DrDan Jan 2016 #104
Too late! /nt yardwork Jan 2016 #105
Six months too late. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #113
The Joan Walsh article was great Gothmog Jan 2016 #110
lol. That ship has sailed. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #114
Judging from the responses, it looks like the request from the spokesman is falling on deaf ears. SecularMotion Jan 2016 #118
Too little, too late. The damage has been done. Alfresco Jan 2016 #119
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #123
Good, but when they started making Ann Coulter sound sane R B Garr Jan 2016 #124
Wbat a crock... DUbeornot2be Jan 2016 #130
Will Hillary be urging her supporters to be respectful? I don't think so. Autumn Jan 2016 #131
#WeWontBeErased: How Anti-Clinton Trolls Are Firing Up Women and Handing Hillary the Nomination Alfresco Jan 2016 #134
Bernie Sanders campaign spokesman urges Bernie supporters to be respectful workinclasszero Jan 2016 #142
k & r lovemydog Jan 2016 #143
Why in the world would they start now? Orrex Jan 2016 #144
Thank you! (nt) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #147
Complete hypocrisy and you know that. Phlem Jan 2016 #145
K&R Alfresco Jan 2016 #148
How many people who reced this are pushing the new fake scandal about Bernie and the Nevada union? jfern Jan 2016 #152
What a steaming pile of horseshit. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #155
Good luck with that one. Beacool Jan 2016 #158
When hell freezes over. Maybe but highly unlikely. William769 Jan 2016 #159
K&R betsuni Jan 2016 #160

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
128. Hey Kitty Kitty Kitty.............
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

Are you calling me an asshole. Hillary supporters say stuff that is over the top. Rude or what.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
153. Because there's no enthusiasm for her.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jan 2016

People don't feel the need to rush to her defense. They figure she can pay for it given all the millions she collects from the oligarchs.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
116. Just shows Bernie's surrounded himself by better people
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jan 2016

...Hillary surrounds herself with douche bags like David Brock.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
146. Agree!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

I have been watching the vitriol here, on twitter, blog comments, etc. & it always starts with very nasty Hillary supporters! As soon as Bernie started catching up with her in the polls & his crowds grew bigger & bigger the thin skin Hillary supporters started to get worse! I just got tired of it & fought back. On several occasions I just pointed out the differences between them on DU & I was voted off threads. I seldom comment on anything here anymore.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. Right, because telling someone that you respectfully disagree with them..
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:06 AM
Jan 2016

is considered to be a vicious attack.

 
80. Short excerpt of John Avignone in Salon
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:31 AM
Jan 2016
Sanders doesn’t have supporters as much as he has believers. Sanders’ supporters cannot call on facts to support their fervent belief that his message of radical change is possible, because the facts do not support this belief. They become belligerent and hostile any time anyone questions this belief.

That Sanders is right — and so his followers are right — is taken as an elemental matter of faith. Sanders represents the light and all that is good; anyone who questions this must be an agent of the dark and all that is bad.

Link

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
103. Ridiculous attack on Bernie supporters
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jan 2016

With so many lies about Bernie's ideas, policies and who his supporters are.

There is no stereotypical Bernie supporter, despite the attacks on them.

Looks like we're at the point in the campaign when the supporters are being attacked and mocked. They tried this before. Clinton can't build herself up, so we must be torn down.

Ridiculous.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
154. I always back up my defense of him with facts.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

Like how the establishment and their lackeys in the media have lost their collective shit because it finally looks like a liberal might win.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. Ah. I was wondering why Barack asked Bernie to step into his office this morning.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

I think I know what was on his mind.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
14. So you think that the President
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jan 2016

interrupted Sander's presidential campaign--5 days before the Iowa caucuses to tell Bernie to please make sure that his Twitter followers and FB friends are being kind and respectful?

I mean...you could be right.

I'm so intrigued by this meeting. It's just surreal beyond measure.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
46. And we're the ones who live in a fantasy world..
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jan 2016

Obama met with Bernie because Berniebro was mean to Al Franken?!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
65. Okay, THAT made me laugh....
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:57 AM
Jan 2016

The idea that the President of the United States called in a United States Senator who is running for President to scold him because his supporters are rude.

Seriously?

You really want to go with that?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
81. Yes. Sanders requested the meeting to ask Obama to scold Sanders' Supporters.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:34 AM
Jan 2016

What part of Cali Democrat's insightful point is escaping you?

femmedem

(8,197 posts)
99. You just posted an article calling on Sanders' supporters to be respectful and then
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:28 AM
Jan 2016

you liken a leading Democratic presidential candidate to a child being called in to the principal's office?

How would you react if a Sanders supporter had referred to Clinton that way?

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
100. It had been scheduled for a month. This
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jan 2016

Was not a last minute scolding, at least according to some DU member couple days ago.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
79. +1
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:29 AM
Jan 2016

And Nathaniel Pearlman (NGP VAN) was chief technology officer for Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
82. LOL! If you say so, it must be gospel!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:37 AM
Jan 2016

This thread is the funniest I've read this week. Love it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. you guys have spent way too much time contemplating the majesty of your own navels, I think.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jan 2016

There's no friggin' way the POTUS called Sen. Sanders into his office to say "tell your supporters to stop being mean on facebook!"



Sorry to burst ye olde bubble.

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
120. +1. It couldn't of had anything to do with Sanders blocking Obama's FDA pick, right?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jan 2016

It has to be some grand anti-Sanders conspiracy!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
48. What?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jan 2016

The fact that he met with H earlier? Are you implying that he threatened Bernie in some way? Because running for office is not something that should be considered wrong.

Or is it your interpretation that your gal should have had no one run against her?

What a silly post. And yes, silly is not the word I am saying in my head.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
59. "should have had no one run against her" - that's it, right there. That's the whole enchilada.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:28 AM
Jan 2016

It would have been acceptable to have a pretend candidate or two, the charade of an actual primary contest on the way to the inevitable result; but to REALLY challenge her, when it is clearly her turn?

UNACCEPTABLE.




And that's what is at the root of all the "unhinged" loathing of Sanders and those who support him, in some corners.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
72. and projection of victimization
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:18 AM
Jan 2016

Even in this OP, they can't help but prove it.

It’s forced me to recognize how little society respects the passion of the many young women—and men—who are putting their souls into electing the first female president.


But you are right (in another thread)...it's not just any woman. It's this woman.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
95. Yeah. I am very happy with Bernie, but I certainly wanted Warren to run early on.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:30 AM
Jan 2016

It would have been interesting to see how those arguments would have been spun had that come to pass. I actually suspect we still would have heard the same bargle- even back then when there was real hope to see a EW candidacy, when she was the clear preferred choice of those of us here who wanted a more progressive alternative, the same rumblings were there ---- about how opposing Hillary meant "misogyny".

"How can it be Misogyny if I want Elizabeth Wa---" LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
149. I think it would be really great if Warren was chosen as VP
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

I wished she would have run too, but Benrie does have a stronger record on the issues...he's been for it longer than Warren.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
150. I agree.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jan 2016

I also think there was serious in-party Pressure on Warren not to run, which Bernie wasn't subject to or didn't care about.

But if he gets the nomination I would think that might not apply, in which case maybe EW would go on the ticket. Which would be awesome.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
151. I agree with your point too
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

It is surprising that she is suddenly coming out more strongly in support of Bernie's policies and platform, after seeming to side with Clinton...I wonder if she just decided to slip the throat hold and be herself.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
8. That can cut both ways, where is the statement from the Clinton campaign? I applaud the Sanders
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jan 2016

campaign for putting this out there.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
73. I don't mind the criticism of her record
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:20 AM
Jan 2016

It's fair and I criticize it

But the Vince Foster, Whitewater, the Clinton's Kill People, etc grows really annoying and it angers
It happened in 2008 as well
I just hoped we had moved past that

Oh... and the Goldwater Girl thing
Unless you can tie that to more recent behavior it's old and antiquated and irrelevant

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
97. Exactly. What she did in high school
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:02 AM
Jan 2016

while she was being raised by her Republican parents, has zero relevance. It's easy to be a progressive if you were raised by progressive parents and that's all you've ever known. I'm more impressed that she rejected the politics of her parents even though she continued to love them.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
108. This^^^I've experienced it myself and at 19 was President of Nixon's Young Republicans in
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jan 2016

his home town. Then I went to college, began to think for myself, and voted for McGovern. But once I switched, I never looked back.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
122. She has the blood of a million innocent dead Iraqis on her hands. Or are
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jan 2016

we not supposed to mention that little fact?

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
98. You know it as well as I do.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:05 AM
Jan 2016

Many people even here blame her for Bill's affairs, Vince Foster, Rose Hill law firm, and all the other garbage that the Rethugs have thrown at her over the decades -- with the updated empty accusations surrounding Benghazi.

How can you not be aware of this?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
85. Statement?... you mean this one?... cue crickets... chirp chirp... chirp chirp...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:07 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
96. I would be fine with that ticket, oh what a wonderful world it would be... but
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jan 2016

might need someone to be bring in the southern vote.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
20. The worst offenders will kick and rec this thread, too.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:07 AM
Jan 2016

Every Hillary supporter who slimed Bernie from day one will make an appearance. I'm waiting for the ones who posted anti-Semitic slurs and called his wife a felon to show up.


ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
41. There's a huge difference between people critiquing Bernie on a public
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:03 AM
Jan 2016

message board and people cyber stalking / bullying specific Hillary supporters who they don't agree with.

So far, I've only seen stalking /cyber bullying coming from Bernie's side. The moment a person or organization endorses Hillary, all hell breaks loose. It's disgusting and immature. BTW, I haven't seen one example of someone thrown under the bus for endorsing Bernie.

According to the polls, the vast majority of Sanders supporters also like Clinton--so I know it's only a few Sanders supporters who are guilty of bullying and harassment. I guess it's all the new millennial types who are also attracted to Trump.

Response to ecstatic (Reply #41)

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
74. So far, I've only seen stalking /cyber bullying coming from Bernie's side.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:21 AM
Jan 2016

Could it be because that is specifically what you are looking for?

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
157. Nice try, but none of them have been kicked under the bus, insulted, or bullied.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:33 PM - Edit history (1)

But the list of people under the bus for not giving 100% glowing reviews to Bernie has been growing exponentially: Al Franken, Planned Parenthood, HRC, NARAL, Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Ta'nehisi Coates, the entire Congressional Black Caucus, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Paul Krugman, Lena Dunham, Joan Walsh, Anita Finlay, Emily Nussbaum, etc.

These people are receiving vile and vicious attacks, and the funny part is, some of them haven't even endorsed anyone yet!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
109. Bringing up that speech by Chelsea even surprised me. She was jumped on immediately
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jan 2016

by the press... not just Sanders' folk ... for saying "millions and millions of Americans would be without health insurance..." That was a lie...straight out. She hasn't learned the art of dog whistles yet.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
33. For real. And it's still embarassing as hell that things are so out of hand that the campaign had
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jan 2016

to say anything at all, even if what they did finally say is too little too late.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
38. A definitive statement from Bernie himself ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

... the minute the stories started circulating about how vile BSers are on-line, would have gone a long way - not only among his True Believers, but in terms of making himself look like he was aware of the situation and addressing it.

So the questions remain: Is Bernie aware of what's going on and ignoring it? Or is Bernie unaware - and why doesn't he know what's going on?

Either way, it doesn't come off as an example of leadership.

The swarming of the FaceBook pages of Democrats who endorsed HRC - where BSers left some of the vilest comments imaginable - is well-known by people who don't even use FB. Why didn't Bernie speak up then? And if he didn't, why not? And if he didn't KNOW about it, why didn't he know?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
40. That's what I was expecting back in JULY when his "supporters" first started sliming BLM and random
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:59 AM
Jan 2016

black folks on Twitter and Facebook. I kept saying "they'll stop all this crap when he tells them to" and he never did. Some clued in Sanders supporters resorted to making videos saying that Sanders needed to be saved... from his own supporters. It's only gone downhill since.

This week alone, Ta-Nehisi Coates and Joan Walsh have both released pieces in response to the harassment they've received from some Sanders supporters. It is so NOT a good look.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
45. Like you, I also "expected" something ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

... from him back then. I thought it was the perfect opportunity to step up to the plate and say, "This is NOT what I'm about, and this is not what my campaign is about."

It was a truly golden opportunity to show true leadership - and it would have been more than noticed.

Given the negative publicity surrounding the behaviour of BSers, how could you NOT SEE how damaging your own supporters are to your campaign? How could you NOT be aware of it - and determined to address it?

DFW

(54,302 posts)
83. Sanders indicated months ago that he knew this was coming.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:39 AM
Jan 2016

In an interview in TIME last fall he said for the record that he expected that some of his followers would do or say some things he'd have to disavow. From Howard, I know how an intense campaign can result in a candidate being practically shut off from the rest of the world by well-meaning staffers. A Republican I know met Bob Dole during the 1996 campaign and asked him if he was planning to swing by Dallas some time during the campaign. Dole replied that he didn't even know where he was supposed to be the following day.

I'm sure that Sanders saw (or someone close to him showed him) some Facebook page, or maybe even a thread from DU (remember, he and Thom Hartman are close and Thom reads DU), and someone figured out that some of their supporters (or people who claim to be, anyway) might be doing them more damage than good. But I can indeed imagine that Sanders and some of his higher-ups might have really gone this long without having seen what everyone else (both friend and foe) has been seeing on a daily basis.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
156. "Last fall he said for the record that he expected ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016
... that some of his followers would do or say some things he'd have to disavow."

The problem is that he hasn't.

I certainly don't expect anyone maintaining a grueling campaign schedule to be aware of every single detail of what's going on around them. However, there's been ample evidence that Bernie's campaign has been a classic case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing. Remember that BS's campaign issued an apology to BLM after that fiasco - which Bernie immediately stated he did not authorize or agree with.

If he can't keep track of what's going on with his own staff (like the fact that they'd illegally accessed HRC's computer data), it doesn't exactly scream "leadership".

Somehow I think that if HRC supporters were swarming the FaceBook pages of anyone who endorsed Bernie and leaving vile comments, she'd be made aware of it and would address it immediately.

I have little confidence in a potential POTUS whose response to anything is, "Gee, I had no idea. If only I'd hired some staffers who would have let me know." It makes me wonder what kind of advisors a president Bernie would rely on to keep himself informed.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
161. That, of course, is another matter
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

It is his decision as to whom he hires, and how forcefully he reacts to what goes down "on his behalf." I do give him credit for foreseeing that some of his supporters would go overboard. It is obviously not enough to shrug his shoulders and say, "I told you so." He did fire staff after the file accessing. If that is the only reaction he has to offer to excesses on his behalf, including verbal ones, I would indeed find it disappointingly underwhelming.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
162. Yes, he did fire staff ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

... after the file accessing - including a worker described by his campaign as a "low level" employee, who was actually the campaign's director of data.

If you can't keep track of who's who in your campaign, I doubt you can keep track of who's who in your administration.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
18. I'm sure all those self-identified Bernie supporters are real supporters and not other campaigns
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jan 2016

up to "mischief." Now why would I think that based on what I've seen to date..
 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
21. Will Hillary call on her supporters to stop acting like Republicans?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jan 2016

Tax cuts!
Single payer is the devil!
Neoconservative foreign policy is amazing!
Wall Street just needs some stern eyebrows!

And on. And on. And on.

I'm this close to believing if Clinton said various forms of abortion were bad, her supporters would tie themselves into knots to explain why it was right and proper and logical to think so. God knows, many of them have taken massive right turns on every other issue.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
25. Fortunately for me, Bernie isn't a religious figure
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jan 2016

He's not my Jesus. I didn't agree to abide by his personal standards. He's a nice guy and wonderful human being.

I'm not.

I cannot stand situational hypocrites.

I'm a gay man who spent 35 years watching the party he voted for telling everyone who would listen God says I can't have my family. So excuse me if I'm less than ultra kind to right-wing shit dressed up in a blue t-shirt. Are you new to that phenomenon? I'm not.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
34. So sorry ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:38 AM
Jan 2016

my sister and I grew up with an 'uncle' really a second cousin and his friend in the 60's who had the time and showed us many exciting places. Later on some in the family learned the truth and they were not sure what to say, but we will always have fond memories of our adventures, the World's Fair in NYC several times, the Museum of Modern Art many times, learning to paint or counting the coins they threw into a jar and wondering where we could go with the money.

This afternoon we spent time with another friend we have known for 40 years and his Canadian husband, we spoke of HC and how they are thinking of splitting their time between the US and Canada, not wanting to let go of the HC system they have in Canada, but wanting to spend more time in a warmer climate. But it was also a stark reminder of how things have changed for the better, our son is gay and in his early 20's, he has it so much easier now compared to the 60's. These are the times when it is 'easier' to speak one's mind, still there are challenges, but easier than before.

Everyone should be judged for how they interact with others, not on some damn label. I myself went to a Catholic boarding school in high school and that was a trip, needless to say I did not always conform and attended too many 6 am masses as punishment.

We are all in this world together and should never inflict our beliefs unto another person.






 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
111. Having this issue in my family...2 nieces in their 50s, it is much better than it was.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jan 2016

I credit a lot of this to PBO and cried through his speech officially taking LGBT out of the shadows and into the realm of acceptance. I believe, after that, the issue experienced a tectonic shift.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
163. Definitely better than it was ...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

and Obama did help advance the issue. Thankfully my son is experiencing a different world ... small steps.



SunSeeker

(51,515 posts)
31. As I said, he made no conditions when he agreed.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jan 2016

His only condition was "If the other candidates are in."

It's right there in the video. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/one-more-democratic-primary-debate-maybe-609555011560

And actually I got the date wrong. It's not Feb. 1. The Rachel/MSNBC debate is Thursday, February 4, as I note in that thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1079730

Sanders' flip flop is not going unnoticed.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-election-2016-clinton-omalley-034850592.html


slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
39. So you admit you were wrong, thank you!!! There was nothing in the link you provided as proof ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:52 AM
Jan 2016

And I really to do not care how the corporate media, thanks in part to Bill Clinton, spins the headline as a flip flop. Many people are too savvy and read beyond the corporate BS ... Thankfully!!!!

You got it wrong, there was never another DNC sanctioned debate scheduled for 2/1 or even 2/4. Even for 2/4 the DNC has not sanctioned the debate. You really should go back to those threads and admit you had it wrong and stop blaming Sanders as going back on his word, life is too short to play the game of the corporate/establishment masters, but that is JMHO.

But thanks, I really do appreciate the fact that you had the courage to admit your mistake.





SunSeeker

(51,515 posts)
47. I made no mistake about Sanders going back on his word.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jan 2016

The other candidates are in; they are in for Feb. 4, not Feb. 1. I just put in the wrong date. I never said the Feb. 4 debate was a DNC sanctioned debate. As I said repeatedly in that thread, it was a Rachel Maddow's/MSNBC’S idea.

My point was Sanders agreed with Rachel to be "counted in" if the others are "in." The others agreed to be in the Feb. 4 debate. Then Sanders went back on his word. I made no mistake about that. Rachel documents it all on that video at the link I provided.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
56. You did make a mistake and now you are compounding and confusing that mistake with another date ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jan 2016

which Sanders did NOT to agree to in the link you provided.

Sorry but you need to get it together, you are confusing dates and ideas.

Sanders said in mid January 'count me in' and then Yesterday the idea of 2/4 was floated, NOT 2/1, but the DNC has not sanctioned the debate!

Wish you would argue as passionately for not invading another country under false pretenses and killing hundreds of thousands of people as you are for a damned debate!






SunSeeker

(51,515 posts)
61. I made no mistake about Bernie flip flopping.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:34 AM
Jan 2016
The unsanctioned debate will be moderated by Meet the Press host Chuck Todd and MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow, and will also include questions from local reporters, the Union Leader announced. Two of the party's three candidates have already announced they would be participating; Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley. Despite initially complaining of the limited debate schedule, Bernie Sanders's campaign has said he will not be participating.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-election-2016-clinton-omalley-034850592.html

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
68. Yes you did, the "unsanctioned debate' and never agreed upon date, do you get it ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:05 AM
Jan 2016

never agreed upon in your link and an unsanctioned debate scheduled just yesterday. Do you understand, some people have jobs!

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just keep plowing ahead!

Sanders has another job. For those who do not have anything else besides raking in millions of dollars for a speech, cannot summon a private a jet and already have other commitments they cannot just turn on a dime. Maybe the 1% can do that, especially while they are declining in the polls, but not everyone can.

You were wrong, the Dems did everything they could to limit debates back in the summer, now that Hillary is sinking they want everyone to march in lockstep. Sanders called them out and some are all aghast that he is not falling into lockstep with their calling.



SunSeeker

(51,515 posts)
62. Bernie agreed with Rachel to another debate if HRC & MOM were in.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jan 2016

Now Bernie won't agree to another debate unless the DNC sanctions it AND he gets 3 more late season debates. That is going back on his word. No mistake about that. At this point the date does not matter. He won't come to an additional debate on ANY date until his new conditions are met.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
90. You know DNC involvement is a condition Hillary has set, right?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:22 AM
Jan 2016

She was saying it all day on MSNBC Wednesday--that the campaigns and the DNC had to get together and set something up.

(Correction: she wasn't saying it all day, but they were re-running the tape of when she said it.)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
57. Perhaps if Bernie will call on his to stop using Republican tactics to attack his
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jan 2016

canddiate?

Pretty much everything in every thread is from the Karl Rove playbook.

The personal attacks, the "clintons are evil", and on and on and on.

Bernie snarked at PP and HRC, and both received the level of abuse that usually comes form Republicans and CONS, even after he walked it back, the abuse is still going strong, with anti-choice talking points being banded about, as you folks tie yourselves into knots trying to explain why you're right and proper to attack them, and you take your own right turns, which is why they're seeking to appeal to the right for votes.

When the Republicans are feeding you your talking points, accusing your opponents of being Republicans is pure projection.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
132. Ridiculous post.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016

So anyone who supports HRC is essentially a Republican? That meme is such bullshit. I am a lifelong Democrat who happens to think that HRC is the most qualified to be President. There are millions of Democrats that won't pass your narrow minded Puritopian rigid ideology. Insulting them does not help your cause.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. Good luck with that here.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jan 2016

When this Bernie supporter gets banned from the Bernie group for advocating support of the DU TOS.

I want to disassociate myself from many DU Bernie supporters, but I will not disassociate myself from supporting and voting for Bernie in the primary, and the supporting and voting for Democratic nominee in the general election.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
43. Not sure what happened to get you banned and thanks for realizing that if you think you were
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jan 2016

treating unfairly by one group here, you still support the best candidate in the primaries.

I think we all tend to be a bit more sensitive and protective in a 'closed' and minority space. I know there is excitement for change outside of DU.

From what I have experienced with my kids there is a lot of excitement for Sanders, my kids are total opposites, they both would vote for Sanders in the primaries, would they both vote for another candidate in the GE? One would, maybe not the other.

What we post here means nothing to most of the population at large.







Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
60. Of course it is. Look at all the ugly comments on FB & twitter and other social media against
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jan 2016

anyone who endorses and or even supports HRC. Its truly is sad.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
53. As in 24/7 trashing HRC by them on mostly every thread?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:17 AM
Jan 2016

The denial trains keep rolling while passing mirrors.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
94. You didn't miss the part where she said her daughter works for Hillary, did you?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:28 AM
Jan 2016

I think Hillary has hired the kids of quite a few people at MSNBC.

MrChuck

(279 posts)
78. I have a feeling that this is indicative
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:26 AM
Jan 2016

of time passing me by.
In the interest of disclosure, I'm a Sanders supporter who has felt moments of extreme exhilaration at points in this campaign.
It's easy to understand how those feelings of righteous indignation could degrade, given the proper variables in temperament and context. In my youth I can remember smoking endlessly and shouting over coffee cups. That was before the internet where no one has a face.
Today, lashing out on the internet has taken the place of brawling in the streets. It's the new bullying and you can get away with it if you shield yourself behind enough accounts and usernames.
It's a way of life for a generation that's younger than mine. I see it and it makes me glad I'm as old as I am.
Despite my doubt concerning the younger generation, I still believe that they deserve certain things here in the greatest country in the world. I realized, not too many years ago, that the things I hope for in terms of progress in our government are all things that will really make the lives of future generations better. I'm probably halfway through my own life and it's been great but I'll be lucky to enjoy 30 years more. That's a long time but it's not as long as it used to seem.
I dont think supporting Clinton makes anyone a bad person and I'd never say so.
I hope that the youngsters don't screw themselves right out of this opportunity we have because we'll need Clinton supporters to win the general.
Just like they'd need us if it turned out in their favor.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
125. Good post. I'm older than you and I see the same thing.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jan 2016

I think of this as Reddit-type discourse. It's not a positive thing.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
101. Too late!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jan 2016

If Sanders wins I will take a break from DU because I don't want to hear his supporters here gloat.

The main reason I don't like Sanders anymore is his followers online. They really can get nasty and they paint you as a conservative for opposing him. They are his biggest liability.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
113. Six months too late.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jan 2016

It has only gotten progressively worse since BLM was harassed mercilessly back in July.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
114. lol. That ship has sailed.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jan 2016

He should also mention this to Sanders when speaking about great progressive organizations.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
118. Judging from the responses, it looks like the request from the spokesman is falling on deaf ears.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jan 2016

Maybe it's time for Bernie to address the issue.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
124. Good, but when they started making Ann Coulter sound sane
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jan 2016

was the time to stop it and that was months ago. Poor Joan Walsh.


DUbeornot2be

(367 posts)
130. Wbat a crock...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

...I'm sorry but the same media and politicians who have capitalized on turning citizens against each other, using the most manipulative tactics available to keep us Americans divided... Well they don't get to come back and demand that we start being nice hecause their or their families feelings were hurt.

They propagandize us then blame us... all while robbing us blind, destroying lives.

Fuck them!

Autumn

(44,982 posts)
131. Will Hillary be urging her supporters to be respectful? I don't think so.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jan 2016

"Clinton volunteers are being encouraged to vote for Martin O’Malley in cases where making him viable would prevent his voters from shifting to Bernie Sanders."

This scares me so much. What can we do about this? This feels so dirty, so cynical.
We are spending our time making videos to help our caucus goers convince people that Bernie would be a great candidate for them, and then I see the Clinton camp doing something like this... What can we do?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/433avs/clinton_volunteers_are_being_encouraged_to_vote/



Joan Amos, a sweet, outspoken 73-year-old chair of the Democratic Party in Lucas County, attended one campaign caucus briefing a few months ago and told me Clinton volunteers are being encouraged to vote for Martin O’Malley in cases where making him viable would prevent his voters from shifting to Bernie Sanders.

Amos says that, at least in her county, food can also be a strategic consideration. A neighbor once gave her an expensive bottle of wine and asked her to switch her vote to a rival campaign (she didn't). In 2008, she said the Clinton supporters in Lucas County separated their home-cooked dishes from the main community potluck table on caucus night in order to make their corner of the room look more inviting. When I asked if the Clinton campaign intended to bring food this year, one local volunteer, Susan Cohen, clarified: “It’s not bribery, it’s all about hospitality and making it a good experience for everybody.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-25/the-secret-science-of-winning-the-iowa-caucuses


Thanks Segami
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511082155
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
142. Bernie Sanders campaign spokesman urges Bernie supporters to be respectful
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jan 2016

Oh...NOW be respectful???

Where was this months ago?

That horse escaped the barn a hell of a long time ago LOL

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