2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders conveniently omits that Hillary meets with African American Leaders in Phillly
Oh yes, Bernie Sanders last night was mud-slinging --told his rally that he would rather be here in Iowa than what Hillary was doing -fund raising in Philadelphia. But Sanders did not tell his rally the whole truth and left out that Hillary was also meeting with Afro-American Leaders. It is dishonest of Sanders to do this. How can we trust him to tell us the Truth?? But most of headlines tell the truth!
BTW--msnbc played a clip of Sanders on stage mud-slinging-where he ragged on about Hillary's trip to Philly and her fundraising stop where he omitted the fact that Hillary also met with Afro-American leaders and was in Iowa earlier in the day.
Tweet:
Howard-John Wesley @PastorHJW 14h14 hours ago
Sitting in a meeting listening to the vision of @HilaryClinton for African-Americans
Thursday, January 28, 2016 - 4:28am
Pres. Candidate Clinton Meets with African American Leaders, Attends Fundraiser in Philly
http://delaware1059.com/story.php?id=21825
By NBC 10 & Kelli Steele
Democratic Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton meets with African American ministers and also holds a fundraiser in Philly.
NBC 10 reports that Clinton first paid a visit to Mother Bethel A.M.E. church in Society Hill where she spoke with African American ministers from across the country, including Mother Bethel's reverend Mark Kelly Tyler on Wednesday. Clinton discussed criminal justice reform, jobs, equal pay and women's health.
Thursday, January 28, 2016 - 4:28am
Pres. Candidate Clinton Meets with African American Leaders, Attends Fundraiser in Philly
By NBC 10 & Kelli Steele
Democratic Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton meets with African American ministers and also holds a fundraiser in Philly.
NBC 10 reports that Clinton first paid a visit to Mother Bethel A.M.E. church in Society Hill where she spoke with African American ministers from across the country, including Mother Bethel's reverend Mark Kelly Tyler on Wednesday. Clinton discussed criminal justice reform, jobs, equal pay and women's health. .......................
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riversedge
(69,731 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)on her schedule. Bernie is under NO obligation whatsoever to bring up the meeting she had with
AA leaders, a meeting that was her dishonest cover for going to Philadelphia.
riversedge
(69,731 posts)http://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
Date
Location
Event Type
Speaker(s)
January 27, 2016 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Fundraiser Hillary Clinton & Jon Bon Jovi
January 27, 2016 New York City, New York Fundraiser Chelsea Clinton
January 27, 2016 Mason City, Iowa Get Out the Caucus Bill Clinton
January 27, 2016 Adel, Iowa Get Out the Caucus Hillary Clinton
January 27,
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)You and the rest of his supporters keep telling us all how he isn't about rainbow crapping unicorns.
He's going to bring a wave of Democrats with him into office.
Or something.
Yet he can't be bothered doing anything to help fellow Democrats.
riversedge
(69,731 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He's made it pretty clear that he doesn't like Democrats--he has said as much, over and over again.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)So typical of dishonest Hillary, and her fans who are more than willing to perpetuate her nonsense.
She did fund raise in Philly. That's a fact. That's what Sandrs was commenting on. Nothing more.
The fact that she had other things planned is irrelevant to the discussion.
Of course, because Hillary Clinton is a manipulative scum bag, she will turn this into an attack on her meeting with African Americans.
Because that's what Hillary Clinton does. That's who she is.
riversedge
(69,731 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Because she is so gosh darn honest and would never keep secrets. Oh wait a minute....better add this
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I didn't.
cali
(114,904 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)riversedge
(69,731 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)dsc
(52,130 posts)and she most certainly will be reporting the money raised to the FEC.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)It's the sort of thing that once would have been a source of significant shame.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to try to manufacture some mud.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Rinse. Repeat.
artislife
(9,497 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)This place gets stranger by the minute.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)riversedge
(69,731 posts)Hillary is the only candidate willing to take on the gun lobby--while Sanders voted to give immunity to irresponsible gun manufacturers.
U.S. shootings since 1963 have killed more Americans than all wars ever http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gun-deaths-since-jfk-assassination_us_56a903c6e4b0f6b7d54485c4 #gunsense #ImWithHer #Hillary2016
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That's not Bernie saying it either...why don't you believe the NRA?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)It reminds me of . . . Victory for Bernie.
If this, THIS, represents the best attack on Bernie, you guys have a long winter ahead of you.
riversedge
(69,731 posts)by Sanders. #ImwithHer
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton 13h13 hours ago
Today & every day, we have an obligation to confront hate, advance human rights, & help those fleeing persecution. #HolocaustMemorialDay -H
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton 13h13 hours ago
No matter who you are, what you look like, or where you come fromyou deserve a president who will fight for you.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yes, I do.
That's why I'm voting for this guy.
Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)He was supposed to give her entire agenda for the day? I believe when he was giving his town hall she was holding her fundraiser. I don't believe either gave their agendas for that entire day.
And while I haven't listened to MSNBC since I prefer not to have my brain scrambled by pundits. I did listen to Sanders speech and he most certainly did not sling mud. He mentioned her briefly and her fundraiser. This is a contest isn't it?
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)"Truth crushed to earth will rise again."
riversedge
(69,731 posts)Take care.
cali
(114,904 posts)is under no obligation to talk about hill meeting with black pastors. She publicized that meeting while trying to hide her fundraising shindig, which she conveniently left off her.schedule.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)And she's using African Ameticans as a smokescreen.
Does that bother anyone else that she is using PEOPLE to deflect her corrupt relationships with powerful Wall Street interests?
If you're Hillary Clinton and you want to hide that Wall Street was filling your campaign coffers at 2:00--just simply accuse your opponent of attacking the African Americans that you met with at 4:00.
Yupy
(154 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... excuse is still black folk don't know about Sanders.
yes we do
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will visit Philadelphia on Jan. 27 for a fund-raiser hosted by a group that includes lawyer-turned-investment mogul Michael C. Forman and former State Rep. Michael Gerber (D., Mont.) at their $17 billion "alternative investments" firm, Franklin Square Capital Partners.
Rocker Jon Bon Jovi will play an acoustic set for donors - including "friends," who give at least $1,000; "family," couples and kids, who get their photos snapped with the candidate for $2,700 (that's also the limit donors may give to each of the primary and general elections); and "hosts," who bundle $27,000 in contributions.
http://articles.philly.com/2016-01-18/news/69844264_1_clinton-gala-bill-clinton-hillary-clinton
The PA primary by the by is 3 months away, April 26th. It's almost like you emphasize that which favors your candidate and your rivals do the same for their candidate, which really is how politics works.
Did you attend the Bon Jovi concert yourself? I ask because I'm wondering how many people from that first event were at the Bon Jovi bash? It almost has that 'Two Americas' feel to it, not a big event for Hillary but one event for one set of people and a very separate event for the Bon Jovi sort.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Note to Jury: This is my personal observation about Hillary's strategy. I have not made any attacks against any other candidate's strategy. I have not smeared any candidate's supporters. I haven't speculated about the strategy of other candidates. Instead, I have stated what she IS doing, and what SHE isn't doing.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He was there Monday.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)riversedge
(69,731 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Are we being a wee bit selective in our outrage, or what?
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)Clinton's campaign did not include the Philadelphia fund-raiser on its public schedule, but news outlets reported the event last week.
The meeting with the Black ministers at Mother Bethel Church wasn't on her campaign schedule (in fact it still isn't). And it wasn't listed on the church's schedule or the Richard Allen Museum schedule.
https://www.motherbethel.org/
http://richardallenculturalcenter.info/5.html
It couldn't be because another Wall Street fundraiser got sniffed out and canceled at the last minute
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Yay-Hillary-loves-Philadelphiamoney.html#MDeMZUPvm8Pg2fIt.99
At the last minute, HRC postponed a second fundraiser that was to be hosted by Wall Street big shots in New York City.
Looks like she tried to slip away to line her pockets with Wall Street dough, had to cancel New York when it looked bad after reporters caught a sniff of Bon Jovi serenading the cash coming out of their wallets at the fundraiser, so they tacked on the church visit to try to cover their tracks.
But of course, this behavior is all "dishonest" Bernie's fault and what she was really doing was zipping in to have an impromptu meeting with black leaders and it just so happened that Bon Jovi and the Wall Street crowd were having a party that she crashed and they threw wads of cash at her.
frylock
(34,825 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)if he is going to all the way to get the nomination.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)even if contractions.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... and that's his plan to appeal to more minority voters by associating with Obama hating bomb throwers.
He's ... this is so amatuer hour
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't put much past Sanders these days. Very calculated moves he is making.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)So phony.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...... that Senator Sanders is learning from his supporters rather than his supporters learning from him.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)That's quite a disconnect there.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)It's a fine thing for Hillary to meet with her African American supporters in Philly (and any non-supporters too for that matter). It would have made sense for her to schedule something like that after Monday, when she will be based on the East Coast and not in the closing days of a tight contest that could set the tone for the races that follow.
This is where Hillary campaign starts seeming less than fully genuine. When first I heard heard she was leaving Iowa to attend some East Coast fundraisers I heard one of her spokespersons handle the topic rather well. He stressed these were long standing engagements she was honoring - not something whipped up because she suddenly needed cash. He said Clinton always planned to be prepared for the possible costs of a hard campaign and fund raising was ongoing etc. He followed that up by stressing how much time Hillary was still spending in Iowa prior to the caucus, all the events she had etc. That seemed like a good response to me.
I still don't think it reflects well on the Clinton campaign to do a fund raiser with a major financial institution on the eve of the Iowa caucus - it is really bad political messaging and it is foolish to think the Sanders campaign would not make note of it to Iowans in Iowa. But the comments I heard from her spokesperson were not slippery - they dealt with this issue head on and put a cap on down side speculation that Hillary was desperate for money to do this etc.
Why wouldn't Hillary also meet with base supporters while she was out there in Philly anyway looking for big checks? That isn't the point and everyone knows it. There was only one reason why Hillary left Iowa when she did and that was for a major fund raiser. Period. To try to blur that perception is just foolish.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I guess ya'll know how bad her going to corporations of campaign funds is looking.
still_one
(91,968 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)It's his handlers who are pushing him beyond the principled boundaries he had set for himself.
From the minute he jumped into the race, he knew he had no chance of beating Hillary, but he felt compelled to get out an urgent, important message about where America was headed. He likely wanted to build on his idea behind the supposed Obama primary challenge in 2012.
To Bernie's surprise, his 2016 campaign message caught fire and generated the wide spread support we see today.
By the time Bernie realized he was in way over his head, campaign fatigue had taken its toll. The "messenger" had unwittingly evolved into the vehicle for "the revolution". It was evident to those close to Bernie that he was already shouldering to much of a load as leader of the movement and he couldn't possibly oversee everything going on around him. That's usually when the staffers with hidden agendas become more involved. The revolution must not be stalled.
IMO, it was behind the scenes manipulation by ultra lefties who likely launched this recent transformation of his campaign.
Autumn
(44,765 posts)Hillary was off fund raising in Philadelphia. The truth is now mud?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)That bastard!!1!
Vinca
(50,172 posts)How would he know who she was meeting with? He's never claimed to have ESP.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)....Afro-American Leaders. It is dishonest of Sanders to do this.
Wow, this kinda crap is uncalled for Bernie. SMH
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)What, you want him to recite her entire itinerary, instead of point out that she is back to kissing the asses of financial thieves and scoundrels?
What a way to turn a major problem into an attack on the guy who simply points out the truth.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)That's what's funny about this elevation of Sanders. His supporters act as if he wasn't just another politician. Albeit one who is far Left and promotes an agenda that he has zero chance of passing through Congress in his lifetime and maybe even ours.
Of course he's not going to advertise to his supporters that Hillary was meeting with AA leaders. That would make her trip to Philly look good. They are rivals, why would he make her look good?
elana i am
(814 posts)soliciting money from the wall street crooks?
not even a little itty bitty teeny tiny infinitesimal tiny speck of a bit.
riversedge
(69,731 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)riversedge
(69,731 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I can play this game all day.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)because that will turn on little h in a heartbeat. She is the master at using a scalpel to the truth.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But that would have taken her away from the fundraiser...so yeah
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Dems2002
(509 posts)Lol - Sanders told the truth. He didn't tell a lie or fudge, he said what Hillary is and has been doing...attending lots of fundraisers.