How can we expect Hillary to be our "champion" when she's begging for banker money 4 days before IA?

[ram2008]

You can't make this stuff up.

“Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will visit Philadelphia on Jan. 27 for a fund-raiser hosted by a group that includes lawyer-turned-investment mogul Michael C. Forman and former State Rep. Michael Gerber (D., Mont.) at their $17 billion 'alternative investments' firm, Franklin Square Capital Partners.

"Rocker Jon Bon Jovi will play an acoustic set for donors - including 'friends,' who give at least $1,000; 'family,' couples and kids, who get their photos snapped with the candidate for $2,700 (that's also the limit donors may give to each of the primary and general elections); and 'hosts,' who bundle $27,000 in contributions."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/hillary-leaves-iowa-for-investment-mogul-fundraiser/article/2000778

How can she, with a straight face, say she is going to regulate bankers when they are blatantly funding her campaign 3 days away from the first vote? Even moreso, how are her supporters so oblivious as to not see the conflict of interest going on here and to actually believe her words?

C'mon people use your heads.

[HerbChestnut]

1. Mind blowing isn't it?

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

[Betty Karlson]

2. Simple: we can't. But she is hoping for us to want her so bad that we disregard reality. eom

[VulgarPoet]

3. We can't, and according to the corporatists, our consciences are just

inconveniences against a greater evil.

[Hoyt]

4. FDR (Social Security) and Johnson (Medicare) took a lot of corporate/wealthy money.

[whatchamacallit]

7. Ever the apologist

[Hoyt]

8. Just the truth, check it out.

[whatchamacallit]

11. False equivalence truthiness

is your thing.

[uponit7771]

10. Only for those who invest in Pixy Dust Politics

[whatchamacallit]

12. What does that even mean?!?

[uponit7771]

13. PDP = Sanders plan to get agenda past historically gerrymandered GOP congress

[whatchamacallit]

15. The audacity of nope

Keep up the good work.

[roguevalley]

29. nt

[daleanime]

31. Hillary's plan of not fighting for our agenda....

is better? The only things she would be able to get though congress are the very things I oppose, and republicans would be over joyed to run against her in '16, '18 and '20. You think the congress is red right now?

[Fast Walker 52]

53. basically, she will be a stopgap against the most regressive GOP shit

Bernie might help turn things around--
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10853502/bernie-sanders-political-revolution

[daleanime]

67. Exactly.....

nothing good will happen if you're not willing to work for it.

[sabrina 1]

43. There it is again: 'No, we can't'. Imagine if LBJ eg had felt that defeated before even trying

to pass the Civil Rights Act?? I guess that was so popular at the time he didn't have to do a thing other then just sign his name and VOILA, no problem.

I am so glad we have so much support, unlike LBJ and Civil Rights, for Medicare for All in this country, making it one of the most popular proposals today, providing the people with a National HC system.

So Bernie will have a few radicals to deal with, but like FDR with his New Deal programs, he will have the people on his side.

Odd isn't how dismissive we have become of the power of the people when they have a good leader willing to fight for them.

We've become so used to the defeatist attitude being IMPOSED on us that to even think of making any improvements in the daily lives of ordinary people is not being dismissed by DEMOCRATS.

Well, it turns out people are no longer listening to that kind of propaganda and are going after what is their RIGHT.

Funny too how there is no such defeatist attitude towards starting more wars, despite the people's objections to them.

[Fast Walker 52]

51. maybe this will help you

The revolution, explained
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10853502/bernie-sanders-political-revolution

[oasis]

16. Hold on there. Those $5 and $10 donations to Bernie

can, in time, catch up to the Sheldon Adelman/ Koch Bros. multi-billion dollar GOP war chest.

Catch up in time for the 2024 elections.

[daleanime]

33. Trust me, if Hillary fails to lose the primary....

many of us will have definitely learned the futility of being involved and active in politics.

[Bubzer]

46. I cannot say I wouldn't be disaffected by a win funded by a corporate bankrolled campaign.

[Lordquinton]

55. Remember Crossroads PAC

and the millions they sunk into local races all around the country?

Remember how they all failed and Rove went on an extended vacation?

[INdemo]

89. Oh so you approve of All-of-the-above

Supporting your candidate and yet say she is not a Corporatist?
But you know what is really really funny is that Karl Rove accuses Hillary of Being too closely tied to Wall St. But yet Karl rove was the founding father of Citizens united but Hillary has never ever said she rejects
Citrzens United ruling.

[oasis]

92. Hillary's Supreme Court appointees will be chosen with an eye on

overturning Citizen's United. If you strongly wish that to happen, you'd best get on board the Hillary Express to the White House.

[INdemo]

93. Hillary unfortunately will not have that chance because if she happens to win the nomination

we will have a Trump in the White House
You didn't answer my question though...You have not ever heard Hillary Clinton talk about Citizens United or Campaign Reform or Corporate money controlling politics..because she is the largest recipient of Corporate and Wall St funding...
Thats right more than any Republican candidate.

[oasis]

94. Yes. Citizens United is just one of the items on Hill's

"Things to do" list. Hillary's not a " Johnny-one-note" candidate, which is an indication she has the intellect needed to run the country.

[INdemo]

95. Whatever

[oasis]

97. Yep, "whatever"

[cali]

20. I know the first PAC was in support of FDR

PACs have been around since 1944, when the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) formed the first one to raise money for the re-election of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The PAC's money came from voluntary contributions from union members rather than union treasuries, so it did not violate the Smith Connally Act of 1943, which forbade unions from contributing to federal candidates. Although commonly called PACs, federal election law refers to these accounts as "separate segregated funds" because money contributed to a PAC is kept in a bank account separate from the general corporate or union treasury.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacfaq.php



But I can find nothing about him taking corporate money. And business leaders and the wealthy were his most vehement opposition


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Liberty_League

[OnyxCollie]

28. FDR also sold out the Japanese for the benefit of farm corporations.

Just the truth, check it out.

Hillary won't discriminate; she'll sell out everyone poor.

[frylock]

45. Hillary is no FDR.

Hell, Hillary is no Eleanor.

[Herman4747]

90. Hell, Eleanor was likely better than FDR. nt

[frylock]

91. Word up!

[bklyncowgirl]

5. That for me is a big, big problem and one of the reasons I cannot support her in the primaries.

[Jarqui]

6. I think she's in New York this morning with her hand out for more

Wall Street money. Two fundraisers (one White Plains , the other New York).

It was getting a little embarrassing so they cancelled another Wall Street fundraiser yesterday - and opted to go to a church instead (I suspect to cover their tracks when the media found out about the fundraisers that were not on their schedule).

Bill has been a prety good bag man of late - he's been doing a bunch of fundraisers with the wealthy. And Chelsea's in the act today in New York as well.

It is a long standing family enterprise.

[Marty McGraw]

47. so sad to see where her

priorities lie. As big as Bernie is now the absence of cameras on him at this stage kinda backfires and reflects badly on the media. And who really listens anymore to paid campaign ads. In reality, a popular candidate does not really have to shell out a lot of cash while somebody with a lot to patch up with the public at a late stage does.

[dorkzilla]

56. White Plains fundraiser was done in a corporate building lobby

and in spite of the fact that it houses our local Gannett newspaper, no press was allowed. And I wonder just how many people attended - - when I checked last night there were plenty of seats left.


http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2016/01/27/hillary-clinton-white-plains/79417274/

[Jarqui]

61. Definitely not in a White Plains Ghetto

$250-$2,700 a plate

further local story on it
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/28/hillary-clinton-white-plains-fundraiser/79452168/

Andrea Mitchell Asks Hillary Clinton Spokesman Question about Campaign Cash, He Dodges It
http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/andrea-mitchell-asks-hillary-clinton-spokesman-question-about-campaign-cash-he-dodges-it/

She postponed a fundraiser in New York until mid February at Blackrock
https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/en-at/about-us/leadership/matt-mallow
Clinton’s close adviser at the State Department, Cheryl Mills, sits on BlackRock’s board of directors

Bill also did a couple of $1,000 per person in San Francisco recently.

[dorkzilla]

64. I’m very familiar with the building

It’s off of I287, known locally as the “Golden Mile” because of all the corporate headquarters that run alongside the highway.

I would have had some semblance of respect if she’d done it at the local diner at $100 a plate.

[glinda]

9. She is not going to regulate Bankers, Wall Street or TPP or anything.

It is right here in front of the publics' face the whole time but people "want" to see what they want to see for whatever reason be it gender issue, rationalizing they think she can win, etc.....

[99Forever]

14. But she's a girl...

...and it's her turn dammit!

[EndElectoral]

18. I beleive she's the "heir"

[EndElectoral]

17. She's good at saying it...more difficult to fathom that supporters buy into it

[Segami]

19. Champion?...yes she will be a champion..

For the banksters and definitely NOT for you!

[bigwillq]

21. I can't.

I don't see Hillary as someone who will change the status quo. I don't think she will even try to.

[retrowire]

22. If you're not at the table, you're on the menu.

This is common sense to me. Night and day.

[99th_Monkey]

32. +1000 - Good one! n/t

[LibDemAlways]

37. Post of the day. Thank you. n/t

[geardaddy]

39. +1 million

[lobodons]

23. Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary Clinton's Wall Street plan

Nuff said.


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/07/elizabeth_warren_endorses_hillary_clintons_proposed_new_wall_street_regulations/

[Lage Nom Ai]

25. and after that article

Warren chastised her and every other Dem that says "no we can't" on the floor of the Senate.

[Phlem]

27. Hmm...

I would suspect Warren is for any plan to re-adjust Wall Street's grip.

It's better than nothing, but does it go far enough?

What do you think?

And you think Wall Street is going to hand over cash to someone who really wants to undo them?

[retrowire]

30. And while we wait for their answer, lets enjoy some music.

[californiabernin]

86. Warren and Sanders support reinstating Glass Steagall. Clinton opposes reinstating Glass Steagall.

This is clear and compelling evidence (there's more of course) that the Clintons are owned by Wall Street, and Warren and Sanders are for the people.

Of course Warren supports any move in the right direction, however timid. But it's Sanders she will soon be endorsing (implicitly, she already has).

[Phlem]

24. Magic.

That's what the thirdway does, the slight of hand.

Seriously, one has to be a complete brick if they don't understand your post.

[PWPippin]

26. Terrible "optics" and tone deaf, to boot!

[highprincipleswork]

34. Watch Star Wars at 3:21 for the answer to this one. Worth a minute out of your day.

[AzDar]

35. K & R

[HassleCat]

36. Kind of like the Charlie Hebdo thing

"We are all bankers!" Solidarity, everyone. Common cause with the one percent.

[fbc]

38. simple: Be Rich

[amborin]

40. so blatant nt

[tokenlib]

41. And Jon Bon Jovi premieres new single "CUT IT OUT!" ...n/t

[CharlotteVale]

85. ....

[LiberalLovinLug]

42. Don't you know?.....

[VulgarPoet]

79. I'll believe it when Texas executes one.

[frylock]

44. I used to believe that she couldn't possibly be this stupid..

but now I'm seriously doubting myself. I guess MM was right for a change.

[Lorien]

54. She arrogantly thinks that we "peasants" are stupid enough not to

notice or care, or consider the 0.01% our "betters". She's seriously out of touch and has terrible political instincts.

[Rafale]

48. Hold on; you guys are supposed to be too dump to see how this works

You see, I'm a bank, you know a person. I hire a top law firm to handle my affairs. I pay $5000 per hour in legal fees but there's a gentlemen's verbal agreement that the law firm will contribute $1000 of that hourly fee to HRC's campaign. That way the fools hoping to do voter research on OpenSecrets.com (which says that lawyers are the top contributors to HRC) will never know that the same "NY" (actually supranational) banks that have always controlled HRC will continue to have top draw access. It's so much easier than dark money and a long trail for dummy front companies (but that dark money will take a few more months to wash just right).

[Yupy]

49. I am not sure all Democrats know this info, Bernie needs to place ads about this!

People need to know, it would not be "attack" ads, they are facts!

[Fast Walker 52]

50. wow, just wow

[stevenleser]

52. Ahem...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1080186

[treestar]

57. A conflict of interest entirely in your head

you guys have convinced yourselves that it's a simple us against them matter and that money is always evil.

They need money to run the election. If the bankers can simply buy off not having regulation they'd have done so during the Bush Administration.

You just make it all so oversimplified.

Any President has to be "our champion." We have the votes. No corporation or bank has a vote. There are only so many gazillionaires and they each only get one vote.

It's insulting to the voters to say we are all somehow bought by the campaign war chests, too. We support Hillary only because she has raised the money to back a campaign? That's in essence what you are saying.

[Phlem]

59. Again, completely missing the point.

Typical.

They're dumping money on her cause she will be less abrasive about change than Bernie. You honestly think a Corporation/Wall Street is going to hand money over to someone that's going to reign them in?

They don't want Bernie because he will actually do it.

Basic logic.

Der duh der der.

[treestar]

69. That's just how you see money

as always corrupt, like the root of all evil.

They have to comply with the law. It's not like she is going to blatantly shut down the Dept. of Commerce of whichever bureaucracy regulates them. Or not prosecute them if they fail to follow the law in return for their helping raise money for her campaign. You really think the press would not be on top of that? The Rs would make a scandal out of it. And they'd surely fund the R, not D candidates if it were than simple.

Bernie could do no more than enforce current law.

[Phlem]

72. "Bernie could do no more than enforce current law."

He could spur better laws that represent the people if he's elected rather than maintaining the status quo the "Thirdway" has had implemented for the last 30 + years.

He can and he will.

Look at how his grassroots campaign is doing against big money.

He wouldn't be that popular if the public didn't agree with his message.

[Duval]

58. IMO, she is not "our champion".

[Phlem]

60. No, she is Wall Street's Champion, that's why

She get's money from them.

Simple reciprocity that Bernie does not have to deal with.

This shit is grade school but still, people don't get it, or don't want to get it.

[kenfrequed]

62. I just can't do it.

I cannot trust, as the best candidate, someone to regulate Wallstreet and the banks on Thursday after cashing their checks on Tuesday.
Is Hillary better than the Krazy Klown Kar of the repugnik party? Obviously.

But is she the best candidate?

No.

[youceyec]

63. Money is needed to run campaigns.

BS might be polling a bit better NOW against R's because the Rs have not been stomping the socialist angle. IF he is nominee they WILL and we will lose election to Rs. Vote with your head, not your heart.

[ram2008]

71. Bernie is raising the same amount of money without begging Wall Street financiers for scraps n/t

[youceyec]

84. yes

if Hillary could do that she would. she cant so she doing what she must to run her campaign. also, this:

" Goldman Sachs' political action committee and individual contributors who listed the company as their employer donated $994,795 during 2007 and 2008 to Obama's presidential campaign"

"Contributions to Obama were more than four times larger than to McCain"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/20/obama.goldman.donations/

[whatchamacallit]

65. Make it rain!

[Phlem]

74. + a brajillion!

Thanks for that!

[Phlem]

66. The word for the day is Reciprocity.

If I'm a big bank playing both sides, who am I gonna give money to, probably someone who is less harsh to their bottom line.

That's not Bernie.

Bernie Sanders: Hmm... I would have to reciprocate donors, including corporations, Wall Street and the 1%.

Wait a minute, maybe I can do it a different way and not be tied to the very reasons that have caused our economic decline and gutting of the middle class.

I know how to do it, let's try.


I'm thinking he's doing a damn fine job.

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Her supporters aren't oblivious to what's going on. They see it

and think it's perfectly fine that their candidate is bought and paid for. Doesn't matter! Win at all costs and ETHICS BE DAMNED!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[mhatrw]

70. We can't.

Our choice is between Berniequality and Hillagarchy

[Phlem]

73. True that!

I just got a "No he can't" a couple messages up.

Fascinating how we went from "Hope and Change" to "Nope we can't".

[asuhornets]

75. Do you realize presidential elections can cost almost $1 billion dollars?

If Bernie wins the nomination, how will he comeback the Republican attack ads? He himself will need money and lots of it.

[ram2008]

80. By raising money from the people

As opposed to oligarchs. He's been able to keep up with Hillary's fundraising so far. Actually, he'd probably do better, because Hillary's big donors are probably already close to maxing out $2700. Bernie is powered by smaller donors who can keep giving.

[cui bono]

82. Bernie has a deep well of money to go to in the general. Hillary does not.

Because while Hillary's big money donors are capping out at their $2700 max and will not be able to donate again, Bernie is getting small donations from millions of people who can then donate more later.

Plus, there's a lot less to attack Bernie about than Hillary so even if they GOP makes shit up, as they will, it will be countered and ridiculed. And Bernie has social media on his side.

It's gonna happen. President Sanders. I can feel it in my bones.

.

[asuhornets]

83. I believe in the end it will be...

Madame President Clinton!!!!

[Phlem]

76. I see fresh trolls.

I hope some of the other long timers can see this too.

[Uncle Joe]

77. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, ram.

[grasswire]

78. TOO FLAWED To Run As A Democrat!

Hillary's values are not the traditional values of the Democratic Party, and....in fact...harm the party of the people.

[cui bono]

81. Yep. I stated in a post yesterday that her campaign just isn't thinking things through.

Yet another example. She is really failing in a major way and she doesn't even see it.

Is that a quality we want in a leader? Hell no.

.

[Bernblu]

87. The only people Hillary will champion are the banksters

[eridani]

88. These prticular banksters are also big fracking champions n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. Bankers make investments. Bankers expect a return on their investments.

Hillary is more likely to give bankers a return on their investments than Bernie.