2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRacial profiling alleged at Bernie Sanders rally in St. Paul
Not everyone left happy. A handful of black activists are claiming they were racially profiled and denied a privilege they hadn't even asked for. The claims led to an ongoing fight on Twitter; the messy fallout is another example of the fragile alliance of liberals, radicals, and youths Sanders has to capture and preserve to overcome Hillary Clinton.
Initially the tale unfolded in a long train of tweets from a number of different people. Fortunately, someone in the affected group gave a more comprehensive version of the story to the This Week in Blackness podcast, which retold that side's story yesterday. A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.
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The Sanders staffer approached the crowd waiting to get on stage, and identified a handful who were no longer welcome to those special spots. The moment was caught on cellphone video, later tweeted out by one of the people barred from the stage. According to the people involved, the campaign worker pointed out black attendees, only, including some who weren't even affiliated with the activist group.
More at
http://www.citypages.com/news/racial-profiling-alleged-at-bernie-sanders-rally-in-st-paul-8000955
Yesterday he failed to mention Clinton was meeting with 50 African American leaders in Philadephia. Now we are hearing his campaign was racially profiling against Blacks at his rally in Minnesota. We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color. There's a lot more info with clips of the incident in the article.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)You seriously wrote that. And you believe that. Wow. Just wow.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)When Flint needed help, Bernie didn't offer any of his services. Hillary on the other hand called the mayor and asked what she could do. She sent her aide to coordinate with the mayor to help with the water crisis in Flint. This is what I am talking about when it comes to Bernie Sanders's lack of empathy with people of color.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #15)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)research. Right now, the media is giving him a pass. Hillary Clinton has been attacked her whole public life. Muds had been slinged at her, but she is still standing. Bernie Sanders hasn't gotten an inch of negativity that has been thrown Clinton's way.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Also it's probably not worth it.
It's an anonymous discussion board, just get out there and support your candidate.
This OP isn't supporting a candidate just FYI.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)aikoaiko
(34,167 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)right question.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Funny how all of you negative posts started after that. Sounds like you have very some kind of grudge.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Right after he was blocked, he or she started the attack posts only on Bernie. He or she also whined over in the Hillary group about it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)small favors.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)This is what is turning voters away from Hilary-- dishonesty.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is a lot left out of this story.
Sanders has had some issues attracting minority support in this election but he's always had an eye on minority rights. Just because his current message isn't resonating as well as Clinton's doesn't mean that Sanders doesn't actively work for minority groups.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)He might be better equipped to help than Bernie.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)questionseverything
(9,647 posts)instead we have no investigation
the fbi should of seized snyders computers way before now
but evidently it is not illegal to poison an entire city
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)questionseverything
(9,647 posts)While the US Attorney's office an offshoot of the Department of Justice has not indicated whether or not their probe is civil or criminal, the Free Press spoke with Peter Henning, a former federal prosecutor and a professor at Wayne State University Law School, who gave some insight.
"...if the investigation relates to potential wrongdoing by the city or the state, it is almost certainly a civil investigation, which could result in a consent agreement between the public entity and the Justice Department. If the investigation relates to possible wrongdoing by individuals, it could potentially be a criminal investigation, Henning said."
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when they seize snyders computers and all his personal communications...let me know
this has been on going since 2014,if it wasn't for rachel nothing would be happening
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Might want to question a few more things.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)a compassionate, proactive gesture. On this issue, their opinions are the only ones that count.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)but it is still grandstanding.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Although what "that" is, I'm not sure.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Sending an aid is doing nothing as the mayor of Flint has no power to do anything.
So what the hell did it accomplish? Don't give me the rubbish she got Snyder to declare a state of emergency either, pressure was being put on him by others before she even opened her mouth.
Did she hand out water? Did she donate money? Did she turn off the spigot the poisoned water is flowing from? Did she get a new pipeline built overnight? Did she even tell them to reverse and use the old pipeline coming from Detroit? Did she tell Snyder to "cut it out?" The answer to every single one of those questions is a resounding NO! She's done nothing but attempt to co-opt a crisis for political gain. Nothing more, nothing less.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)call. And what "services" would that be? I'm not sure what "coordinate with the mayor" means...what more can a campaign aide do to help out?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...as he was voting against the Civil Rights Act.
Her position on gay marriage not so coincidentally changed just not that long ago around the same time popular opinion did.
Someone should remind the HRC fan base that one of the two candidates has been "evolving" on civil rights issues and the other didn't need to check public opinion polls before making up his mind.
Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Original post)
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uponit7771
(90,335 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...not true.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... staffer wouldn't do that on their own.
If the stafafer did do all of this on their own then you're right, this should not be attributed to Sanders campaign at all
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...clear out the black people???
Seriously???
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I decided not to post it. What I find interesting is that it appears at least one POC was removed simply because she looked like the group who was going to protest and was sitting close to them. They simply included her because she was black.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)After Bernie Sander's dishonesty with his omission of Hillary Clinton meeting with 50 Black leaders, I decided to take action.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...everything Hillary does!
WHAT THE FUCK?????
snooper2
(30,151 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fully. I was looking for a little more from the people involved. I agree this should have been posted. Thanks.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)but don't want to get banned so....
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)After your block. Nice coincidence
randys1
(16,286 posts)planning some sort of ruckus/protest while on stage.
THINK about it, for Bernie it is another chance to NOT silence them, show everybody he supports them
He would get FAR more PR because of the incident
ETC ETC ETC
Why is this idiot working for Bernie?
I should be there, dammit
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I will be happy to give my thoughts, most nefarious first.
1) If the one young lady was thrown out because she was black and simply sitting close to this group, that is blatant racial profiling.
2) The person pointing them out to security could have easily called security personnel behind the scene and had the discussion there. Then security themselves could have handled the situation.
3) The young man has a big job. I don't want to discount that. What Sanders is doing is extremely important and this young man was clearly tasked with dealing with a possible protest on stage(at least some form of crowd monitoring). Under best case scenario he didn't handle it well. I do think he did an acceptable job considering the pressure he was under. A protest on-stage could take up the last days of media for the Sanders campaign before Iowa. The young man looked flat out panicked and angry. He was in a situation that was big. We need to be honest about how big a situation like this could be. I am not of the belief you let people take to the stage at your events if it can be dealt with easily. This young man simply appeared to be in over his head.
4) How the hell don't they have a go-to person representing the Sanders campaign in these matters. Clearly the young man tasked with the job was out of his league. They have to have a go-to person at this point. The myriad of ways this could have been handled better.
randys1
(16,286 posts)realized yet another opportunity wasted.
I see your point that this could be distracting, but the ONLY new voters Bernie is getting in these last few says are the very people this could have impressed, and therefore I submit again it was a HUGE opportunity lost.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)O rly?
Response to KamaAina (Reply #11)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Link to the hidden post?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Attacking their character all while claiming you are being harmed by alert stalking. I truly hope you see the irony with respect to your concerns when the op is about racial profiling. Literally being thrown out of an event because they were black. It seem POC were thrown out who were not with the protesters, they were simply charged with sitting while black. This is serious. This should be fully up for discussion on a progressive board without members claiming oppression from alerts.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Racial profiling is a serious issue. It trumps your concerns of trust. You have TWENTYSEVEN replies, two somewhat about the op. That is being generous. This is a huge issue in this country. Huge. I am simply asking you to observe the issue at hand. You are worried about alert stalking when you have twentyfive replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the op. At this point you account for over twenty percent of the replies on an op that has over one hundred replies.
We need to take this seriously.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Some on this board are allowed to be called racist. The silence from people around here calling that out as wrong was deafening .
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have been called a racist on this board. That in no way give me the urge to wait anything out in order for me to call out racial profiling. We are different in that area. I don't come with caveats as you have laid out.
"I will when others do"
I don't need to wait for others.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I got blocked from the AA group for calling out racism in that protected group. Racism is bad against all people. You took my comment the wrong way. I guess I should have worded it better.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Anything but the racial profiling brought to our attention by the op.
Your words were crystal clear.
Duckhunter935
117. I will when others do
Some on this board are allowed to be called racist. The silence from people around here calling that out as wrong was deafening .
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Do not trust you
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I have a feeling you have alerted on me too.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Response to KamaAina (Reply #11)
ProudToBeLiberal This message was self-deleted by its author.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Dumb posts aren't' against community standards. Best just to remind this poster the "pattern" of Bernie Sanders' race relations includes him getting arrested for protesting segregation at the same time HRC was apologetically empathizing with Goldwater as he voted against the Civil Rights Act. Unlike HRC, whose "pattern" has been "evolving" on a number of issues concerning tolerance, Sanders has been pretty consistent.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)then she'd only talk to whites. In 2008 she said she wanted to appeal to hard working whites. Her initial response to BLM was All Lives Matter. I could give you more examples. Does that demonstrate that she lacks compassion toward minorities? How about her advocating for sending unaccompanied undocumented children back to Central America?
Someone without compassion for minorities doesn't organize and get arrested for civil rights, doesn't spend years working against discrimination and oppression.
You are using lightly coded language to call Bernie a racist.
It's utterly contemptible to do that.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Racial profiling alleged at Bernie Sanders rally in St. Paul
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511082706
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
The poster accuses Bernie of being racist. Yes, it's coded but that is what it is.
"We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color. "
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:26 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Likely a crock of crap, but not hideable.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: blah blah blah blah GDP alert yet again....HIDE HIDE HIDE!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not outside TOS. Use Reply to show where poster is wrong.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The article is dumb. Naturally people who are looking for attention will not be allowed to be on stage behind Bernie or any candidate. The issue is with race baiting and the poster's commentary. Hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's not accusing Sanders of racism. At most, it implies one or two staffers were-- however the implication arises from their actions. Beyond that, it's a story from a new source (one I admittedly have little relevant knowledge of) and does not cross any lines. Should we accept the alert on face value, we're then compelled to hide any article which implies any negative race concerns regarding any candidate.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
And I was the deciding vote to leave it up here for further exposure to public ridicule.
Response to KamaAina (Reply #16)
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ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I know a certain poster is probably the alerter.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Now, had you actually called Bernie a racist, that would have been another matter altogether.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I am just question is lack of empathy and connection with people of color.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)*Bernie Sanders entered into politics through the civil rights movement, more than a half century ago. He organized with CORE (the Congress of Racial Equality) in Chicago, and led a sit-in against segregated housing as far back as 1962.
*According to John Nichols of The Nation, Sanders is one of only 2 sitting U.S. Senators who actually attended the 1963 March on Washington, and saw Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., give his I Have A Dream speech in person. (The other is Mitch McConnell, believe it or not...) At the time, Sanders was an organizer for SNCC (the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee).
*Bernie Sanders is one of the only elected White officeholders who endorsed Jesse Jackson for President (twice!). In 1984, he got slapped at a rally when he endorsed Jackson (though the slap was probably for remaining an Independent Socialist, rather than a Democrat). In 1988, Sanders and his organizers helped Jackson win a surprise victory in the Vermont caucuses--by one state delegate. In Jesses memorable phrase, Bernie Sanders & Jim Hightower were among the few elected White officeholders brave enough to cross the color line to support him when it mattered.
WTF??????
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Unless you think lacking empathy with people of color is not racist. But I'm pretty sure you agree that it is.
On edit: I agree with you that the OP should not have been hidden. He didn't start calling Bernie a racist until post #19.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)As did his first reply to a poster. And probably several others.
I am surprised you did not vote to hide that. Do you believe lack of empathy with people of color is not racist? Or did it just slip past (like it clearly slipped past me at first)?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)For a Democratic site, far too many want to censor others.
How democratic........
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I can only imagine.
cali
(114,904 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)that would be, cali? Do tell.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...even for a friend.
cali
(114,904 posts)Use your sparkling imagination
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)What happened happened. The vehemence in response to this posting of a story in a local newspaper is, well, a bit over the top, I think. I read the story and watched the video. It's an unfortunate incident, really, in a state where Sanders needs to do well on March 1.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And now is just posting hit pieces on Bernie out of spite.
Vinca
(50,260 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...incident to Bernie's entire campaign, as if it's standard and planned practice!
I will NEVER trust another thing you post.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)As a representative of the Sanders campaign, it was unfortunate. Now it is new, and has been reported by the widest circulation weekly publication in the Twin Cities. It's decidedly not to the Sanders Campaign's advantage that it happened and is now being publicized.
What does it mean about Bernie Sanders? Probably nothing at all. What effect will it have? That's hard to say. I doubt it will help here on March 1. We'll see.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Some other thread, I suppose. This thread is the one I'm replying in. I don't do cross-thread discussions so much..
I also don't necessarily answer "yes or no" demands very often. Most questions require a more complex answer. I can't remember what this might be about, and I don't have time to go hunt it down.
On DU, I have only people whose screen names I recognize. My friends are people I have met in person and know well. I've never met anyone from DU in person.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Nothing at all, and that's why he'll make little inroads with black voters and will lose.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Hence the very dramatic responses.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)It will receive widespread dissemination here. City Pages is a widely-read weekly paper. Incidents like this are relatively minor, really, but take on more importance when publicized.
Dissing our AA population isn't going to sit well. I know that Sanders didn't do it, of course, but the incident happened, was recorded, and will be widely seen. Unfortunate.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)When I lived in S. St Paul --I read and knew many who read it. --and.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)the Twin Cities, especially by millennials. I'm far too old to be one of them, but I read it weekly, too. It's our arts, entertainment and civic life newspaper.
That staffer could have done this a little differently. These days, everyone is carrying a high-def video camera, and people are quick to record such interactions.
The Sanders campaign has a perfect right to restrict access to high-visibility positions at appearances. Yet, such selections really need to be done judiciously. Based on the cell-phone video, the action taken could have been better handled.
This will get some pretty broad coverage and notice here. That's unfortunate for the Sanders campaign.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It was Bernie's staff, not Bernie that did this, but still, it sure doesn't look good.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)read that article in the City Pages and watch the video. Whether it's actually the case is another matter, but appearances count in political campaigns. This is an unfortunate incident for the Sanders campaign, and in a state where he really needs to do well at our caucuses.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I am just the messenger. I love Bernie Sanders as a human being. He is a decent person. He needs to be vetted before the GE. The Republicans will unleash a torrent of opposition research on him.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)It would have been posted by someone, certainly. What happened happened and was recorded on video. It will be part of the conversation. I have no problem with your posting of it. You did fine.
aikoaiko
(34,167 posts)This story is strange and the video is very short and not particularly helpful in verifying the claims of racially profiling.
Oh wait, do you think what you're doing is vetting Bernie Sanders?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You were blocked from the Bernie group. Where are your hit pieces on Hillary as she needs to be vetted also.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)You have posted multiple times that, "Bernie Sanders lacks empathy for persons of color." So:
1. Do you believe that Sanders is racist?
2. Or do you believe that lacking empathy for persons of color is *not* racist?
One of those two questions must have a "yes" answer.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But the silence is also very telling.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling the OP a racist. It is a personal attack.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:32 PM, and voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Asking, not calling. It's not great but it is par for the course during primaries. Life is tough. Roll with it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
riversedge
(70,186 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)hand the number of posters of color that still bother to post here.
I actually came in here to ask about this bit of the article:
and see if anyone had a bit more information. But after reading all of this 2nd grade bullshit and people screaming about what group the OP posts in and they don't trust him anymore, I will take my concerns about my community back to the AA forum like I always do. I guess I should just be happy that no one posted any garbage about their candidate for president having MLK's "mantle" in this thread like I've seen in so many others. It's a small gift but I'll take it.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Pointing and ejecting people not even in the targeted group just because of the color of the skin. And there are people dismissing this as unimportant because Bernie's image is the main priority.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)One of the attendees was saying that she wasn't with the group, but was still thrown out by the Sanders campaign.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)his earlier negative news cycles about this. The video is cringe-worthy. No excuses.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)through this on a near-daily basis.
So if black people are saying that they're being racially profiled, I'm inclined to believe them.