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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:07 PM Jan 2016

Racial profiling alleged at Bernie Sanders rally in St. Paul

Bernie Sanders whipped local progressives into a frenzy Tuesday, speaking to a combined 20,000 Minnesotans during events in St. Paul and Duluth. Those huge turnout figures are a good reason for energy and optimism for Sanders supporters, with the Iowa caucus less than a week away, and Minnesota's looming on March 1.

Not everyone left happy. A handful of black activists are claiming they were racially profiled and denied a privilege they hadn't even asked for. The claims led to an ongoing fight on Twitter; the messy fallout is another example of the fragile alliance of liberals, radicals, and youths Sanders has to capture and preserve to overcome Hillary Clinton.

Initially the tale unfolded in a long train of tweets from a number of different people. Fortunately, someone in the affected group gave a more comprehensive version of the story to the This Week in Blackness podcast, which retold that side's story yesterday. A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.

...

The Sanders staffer approached the crowd waiting to get on stage, and identified a handful who were no longer welcome to those special spots. The moment was caught on cellphone video, later tweeted out by one of the people barred from the stage. According to the people involved, the campaign worker pointed out black attendees, only, including some who weren't even affiliated with the activist group.


More at
http://www.citypages.com/news/racial-profiling-alleged-at-bernie-sanders-rally-in-st-paul-8000955

Yesterday he failed to mention Clinton was meeting with 50 African American leaders in Philadephia. Now we are hearing his campaign was racially profiling against Blacks at his rally in Minnesota. We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color. There's a lot more info with clips of the incident in the article.
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Racial profiling alleged at Bernie Sanders rally in St. Paul (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 OP
We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color SheenaR Jan 2016 #1
The mayor of Flint said Bernie called for the Governor to resign, but didn't do anything else ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #5
What services?? What the hell are you talking about? Do you hate Bernie? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #9
I love Bernie Sanders as a human being. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #17
Bernie Sanders needs to be vetted. If he gets the nomination, he will get an avalanche of opposition ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #29
Thanks for your concern about Bernies negatives. NOT! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #32
I am on your side. You can choose to believe it or not, but I am with you. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #39
I DO NOT TRUST YOU. And I never will. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #49
How can I get your trust back. What I can I do to earn it again? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #53
You probably can't. Agschmid Jan 2016 #97
I'd worry about credibility before worrying about trust. n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #132
They want you to lick Sanders' ass. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #145
What side is that exactly? aikoaiko Jan 2016 #124
You sure do know how to ask the right questions. I always thought the right answer deserved the ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #126
still mad you were block from the Bernie group Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #38
Who on earth would be mad about that? Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #151
the person I responded too Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #152
ok Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #153
^^^^ Deleted due to alert stalking. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #33
they are out there Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #40
Then why disseminate distortions? Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #81
Perhaps Sanders is adept with a wrench mythology Jan 2016 #141
Do you fault President Obama for not sending someone to Flint? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #41
He's sending 5 million dollars to Flint. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #46
you didn't answer my question virtualobserver Jan 2016 #51
He personally met with the Mayor of Flint in the oval office. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #55
you still didn't answer my question virtualobserver Jan 2016 #60
Obama sent FEMA to Flint. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #62
the president is the only one with the power to arrest snyder questionseverything Jan 2016 #76
There are no investigations? Are you very, very sure about that? n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #111
who knows questionseverything Jan 2016 #116
"we have no investigation" NCTraveler Jan 2016 #115
and that is appropriate....What Hillary has done is called grandstanding. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #88
I'm glad I have answered your questions to your satisfaction. A little dialogue never hurts :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #101
"Called grandstanding" by you. The people of Flint call it oasis Jan 2016 #149
If I were in Flint, I would appreciate it too, virtualobserver Jan 2016 #150
And she has the money and the staff to do that. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #133
So specifically- what the hell did she do? notadmblnd Jan 2016 #136
while I'm glad Hillary offered to send an aide, I don't know if Bernie did or did not CTyankee Jan 2016 #139
Sanders was getting arrested for protesting segregation while HRC was cheering for Goldwater Major Nikon Jan 2016 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #2
What is false about the account of what happened? tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #85
Because the OP is attempting to paint the entire campaign as racially profiling and that is just... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #90
Any account of who told the campaign staffer to address the black women? Seems like the ... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #100
so you think it's possible that someone, anyone in the Sanders campaign would tell staffers to... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #103
No, not all... just the ones they saw as disruptive. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #113
I do! Absolutely! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #147
^^^^^ Deleted due to alert stalking. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #92
Pathetic attack. Punkingal Jan 2016 #3
I have seen the video a number of times. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
I'm seeing a pattern. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #6
He's not Hillary's personal press secretary nor is he obligated to track and report... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #7
FYI, posting on a message board isn't , TAKING ACTION! snooper2 Jan 2016 #10
I fully agree with your reasoning. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #22
Yeah lots of people see a pattern workinclasszero Jan 2016 #36
only after you got mad Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #42
Bernie's staffer totally fucked up. Even if they were planning, ESPECIALLY IF THEY were randys1 Jan 2016 #8
I saw this for the first time and started reading about it yesterday. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #18
I havent seen video, not sure where that is. I just read a summary of what happened and randys1 Jan 2016 #30
Video is at the link in the op. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #37
"Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color"? KamaAina Jan 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #12
I am sorry to hear that. I know what it's like to get a post hidden :(. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #14
You're the poster that posted the OP that got me hidden. NO, I DON'T TRUST YOU. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #26
I would not trust them either Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #47
trying for another hide Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #48
It was an innocent question. He has nothing to fear from me. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #61
I DO NOT TRUST YOU. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #64
I trust you :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #74
I WILL NEVER TRUST ANOTHER THING YOU POST. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #77
You keep repeatedly personally attacking a poster. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #107
Oh, I can't say I don't trust someone? Really? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #109
Reply, after reply, after reply. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #110
I will when others do Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #117
My reply wasn't to you and isn't factually accurate to anyone other than who I was replying to. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #122
funny Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #125
Now you are on about being blocked from a group. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #128
I trust that poster also Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #79
But, we are still friends, right? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #84
we are two posters on an chat board Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #89
Ok, but we are on FRIENDly terms, right? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #96
NO, we're not friends. I DON'T TRUST YOU. What part of that do you not understand? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #104
I was talking to duckhunter. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #105
I do not know Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #118
When I alert, I usually post the results. So, you would know if I had. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #119
if you say so Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #120
I need your approval. Please... nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #123
Aw, shucks. frylock Jan 2016 #135
^^^^ Deleted due to alert stalking. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #19
Deleting this post because I heard there was a concerted effort alert and hide. How shameful. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #78
I was on the jury and was going to vote to Leave It. Here's my comments. Major Nikon Jan 2016 #87
Thank you. You are a good person. Thanks for having my back :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #94
Hillary said if BLM activists didn't like what she was saying cali Jan 2016 #13
You missed a hide by the skin of your teeth, dude/dudette. KamaAina Jan 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #20
^^^^ Deleted due to alert stalking. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #28
best to be careful Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #52
KamaAina, you are an angel. You are a better person than I am. Thank you for your generosity. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #23
Hardly. I just tend to default to Leave It Alone. KamaAina Jan 2016 #25
For the record, I do not believe Bernie Sanders to be a racist. He's a decent human being. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #35
That is just absolute crap! Jesus Christ!!! ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #43
See post #19. That outright calls Bernie a racist. ieoeja Jan 2016 #65
So alert on it. KamaAina Jan 2016 #69
I was wrong. The OP did include that statement. ieoeja Jan 2016 #83
Can't, the OP deleted it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #95
I just want to know why juorors thought lacking empathy for POC is not racist? n/t ieoeja Jan 2016 #114
Yes, long live censorship. Beacool Jan 2016 #70
OP's profile says his/her favorite group is the Bernie group! KamaAina Jan 2016 #21
The op is a certain kind of poster cali Jan 2016 #27
And what kind of poster do you believe MineralMan Jan 2016 #58
Not one that can't type a simple "yes" or "no' when it doesn't serve the poster's interest. Not... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #66
I think I'll politely decline your invitation to get a hide, MinMan cali Jan 2016 #67
OK. I suppose I'll just have to guess. MineralMan Jan 2016 #71
Not being able to type a simple "yes" or "no" is a bit over the top. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #80
let's just say Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #72
Why is that poster allowed to even post in the Bernie group? I'll find out! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #45
that poster got blocked Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #56
This report doesn't ring true at all. Vinca Jan 2016 #31
Because it's NOT. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #34
Check out the video. It's embedded in the article. Click on the link. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #68
You're taking one incident of a frazzled staffer tying to get things done and attributing the... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #73
And yet, it did occur, and was recorded. MineralMan Jan 2016 #82
All it would have taken was a 'yes' or 'no', but you weren't able to do that for a friend. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #86
Frankly, I have no idea to what you are referring. MineralMan Jan 2016 #98
Of course you don't. You showed me how you are. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #106
You wrote: "What does it mean about Bernie Sanders? Probably nothing at all." Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #146
There's a video for all of us to see, whats fake about the vid? tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #93
Wow. This thread is a couple of minutes of my life I wish I had back ... Jarqui Jan 2016 #44
Yeah, me too. I could be doing something else, but the urgency of the matter had to be addressed. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #50
I believe you are correct in its need to be seen. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #57
As I said below, it's unfortunate. MineralMan Jan 2016 #63
Yes,,, riversedge Jan 2016 #108
yes, we know why Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #59
Unfortunate. City Pages is very widely read in MineralMan Jan 2016 #54
Ugh. They were afraid of another BLM debacle, so they just started kicking out black people. DanTex Jan 2016 #75
That's certainly how it will appear to people who MineralMan Jan 2016 #91
I feel like I am fighting for my life in this thread. Thank you to everyone who has my back. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #99
You posted a story from a publication in the Twin Cities. MineralMan Jan 2016 #102
And you gave your opinion about Bernie. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #127
The paper is very respectable. A couple of people in thread said it is widely read in the city. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #130
funny you did not feel the same way until Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #137
Is Berne racist? Or are you racist? ieoeja Jan 2016 #121
I would be surprised if you get an answer Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #129
No one is racist. I am not a racist. Bernie is not a racist. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #131
Thank you for disavowing your "empathy for POC" statements. n/t ieoeja Jan 2016 #138
Jury Results ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #134
uga uga. sad for DU riversedge Jan 2016 #142
The highjacking and bullshit in this thread is Reason #12977 that you can damn near count on one Number23 Jan 2016 #140
That video is chilling. Caught straight up racially profiling. R B Garr Jan 2016 #143
Yeah, you have to really watch the video to understand the blatant racial profiling. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #148
Exactly. Looks like they haven't learned a thing from R B Garr Jan 2016 #154
When it comes to racial profiling, we as black people are seldom if ever exaggerating. We have to go Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #144

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
1. We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

You seriously wrote that. And you believe that. Wow. Just wow.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
5. The mayor of Flint said Bernie called for the Governor to resign, but didn't do anything else
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jan 2016

When Flint needed help, Bernie didn't offer any of his services. Hillary on the other hand called the mayor and asked what she could do. She sent her aide to coordinate with the mayor to help with the water crisis in Flint. This is what I am talking about when it comes to Bernie Sanders's lack of empathy with people of color.

Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #15)

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
29. Bernie Sanders needs to be vetted. If he gets the nomination, he will get an avalanche of opposition
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jan 2016

research. Right now, the media is giving him a pass. Hillary Clinton has been attacked her whole public life. Muds had been slinged at her, but she is still standing. Bernie Sanders hasn't gotten an inch of negativity that has been thrown Clinton's way.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
97. You probably can't.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

Also it's probably not worth it.

It's an anonymous discussion board, just get out there and support your candidate.

This OP isn't supporting a candidate just FYI.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
126. You sure do know how to ask the right questions. I always thought the right answer deserved the
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jan 2016

right question.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
38. still mad you were block from the Bernie group
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jan 2016

Funny how all of you negative posts started after that. Sounds like you have very some kind of grudge.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
152. the person I responded too
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jan 2016

Right after he was blocked, he or she started the attack posts only on Bernie. He or she also whined over in the Hillary group about it.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
141. Perhaps Sanders is adept with a wrench
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is a lot left out of this story.

Sanders has had some issues attracting minority support in this election but he's always had an eye on minority rights. Just because his current message isn't resonating as well as Clinton's doesn't mean that Sanders doesn't actively work for minority groups.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
41. Do you fault President Obama for not sending someone to Flint?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

He might be better equipped to help than Bernie.

questionseverything

(9,647 posts)
76. the president is the only one with the power to arrest snyder
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

instead we have no investigation

the fbi should of seized snyders computers way before now

but evidently it is not illegal to poison an entire city

questionseverything

(9,647 posts)
116. who knows
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2016/01/06/feds-to-investigate-flint-snyder-declares-a-state-of-emergency

While the US Attorney's office — an offshoot of the Department of Justice — has not indicated whether or not their probe is civil or criminal, the Free Press spoke with Peter Henning, a former federal prosecutor and a professor at Wayne State University Law School, who gave some insight.

"...if the investigation relates to potential wrongdoing by the city or the state, it is almost certainly a civil investigation, which could result in a consent agreement between the public entity and the Justice Department. If the investigation relates to possible wrongdoing by individuals, it could potentially be a criminal investigation, Henning said."

//////////////////////////////

when they seize snyders computers and all his personal communications...let me know

this has been on going since 2014,if it wasn't for rachel nothing would be happening

oasis

(49,376 posts)
149. "Called grandstanding" by you. The people of Flint call it
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:44 AM
Jan 2016

a compassionate, proactive gesture. On this issue, their opinions are the only ones that count.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
136. So specifically- what the hell did she do?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

Sending an aid is doing nothing as the mayor of Flint has no power to do anything.

So what the hell did it accomplish? Don't give me the rubbish she got Snyder to declare a state of emergency either, pressure was being put on him by others before she even opened her mouth.

Did she hand out water? Did she donate money? Did she turn off the spigot the poisoned water is flowing from? Did she get a new pipeline built overnight? Did she even tell them to reverse and use the old pipeline coming from Detroit? Did she tell Snyder to "cut it out?" The answer to every single one of those questions is a resounding NO! She's done nothing but attempt to co-opt a crisis for political gain. Nothing more, nothing less.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
139. while I'm glad Hillary offered to send an aide, I don't know if Bernie did or did not
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

call. And what "services" would that be? I'm not sure what "coordinate with the mayor" means...what more can a campaign aide do to help out?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
112. Sanders was getting arrested for protesting segregation while HRC was cheering for Goldwater
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jan 2016

...as he was voting against the Civil Rights Act.

Her position on gay marriage not so coincidentally changed just not that long ago around the same time popular opinion did.

Someone should remind the HRC fan base that one of the two candidates has been "evolving" on civil rights issues and the other didn't need to check public opinion polls before making up his mind.

Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Original post)

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
90. Because the OP is attempting to paint the entire campaign as racially profiling and that is just...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

...not true.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
100. Any account of who told the campaign staffer to address the black women? Seems like the ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

... staffer wouldn't do that on their own.

If the stafafer did do all of this on their own then you're right, this should not be attributed to Sanders campaign at all

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
103. so you think it's possible that someone, anyone in the Sanders campaign would tell staffers to...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jan 2016

...clear out the black people???

Seriously???

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. I have seen the video a number of times.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jan 2016

I decided not to post it. What I find interesting is that it appears at least one POC was removed simply because she looked like the group who was going to protest and was sitting close to them. They simply included her because she was black.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
6. I'm seeing a pattern.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

After Bernie Sander's dishonesty with his omission of Hillary Clinton meeting with 50 Black leaders, I decided to take action.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
7. He's not Hillary's personal press secretary nor is he obligated to track and report...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

...everything Hillary does!

WHAT THE FUCK?????

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. I fully agree with your reasoning.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

Fully. I was looking for a little more from the people involved. I agree this should have been posted. Thanks.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
8. Bernie's staffer totally fucked up. Even if they were planning, ESPECIALLY IF THEY were
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

planning some sort of ruckus/protest while on stage.

THINK about it, for Bernie it is another chance to NOT silence them, show everybody he supports them


He would get FAR more PR because of the incident

ETC ETC ETC

Why is this idiot working for Bernie?

I should be there, dammit

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. I saw this for the first time and started reading about it yesterday.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

I will be happy to give my thoughts, most nefarious first.

1) If the one young lady was thrown out because she was black and simply sitting close to this group, that is blatant racial profiling.

2) The person pointing them out to security could have easily called security personnel behind the scene and had the discussion there. Then security themselves could have handled the situation.

3) The young man has a big job. I don't want to discount that. What Sanders is doing is extremely important and this young man was clearly tasked with dealing with a possible protest on stage(at least some form of crowd monitoring). Under best case scenario he didn't handle it well. I do think he did an acceptable job considering the pressure he was under. A protest on-stage could take up the last days of media for the Sanders campaign before Iowa. The young man looked flat out panicked and angry. He was in a situation that was big. We need to be honest about how big a situation like this could be. I am not of the belief you let people take to the stage at your events if it can be dealt with easily. This young man simply appeared to be in over his head.

4) How the hell don't they have a go-to person representing the Sanders campaign in these matters. Clearly the young man tasked with the job was out of his league. They have to have a go-to person at this point. The myriad of ways this could have been handled better.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
30. I havent seen video, not sure where that is. I just read a summary of what happened and
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jan 2016

realized yet another opportunity wasted.

I see your point that this could be distracting, but the ONLY new voters Bernie is getting in these last few says are the very people this could have impressed, and therefore I submit again it was a HUGE opportunity lost.

Response to KamaAina (Reply #11)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
107. You keep repeatedly personally attacking a poster.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jan 2016

Attacking their character all while claiming you are being harmed by alert stalking. I truly hope you see the irony with respect to your concerns when the op is about racial profiling. Literally being thrown out of an event because they were black. It seem POC were thrown out who were not with the protesters, they were simply charged with sitting while black. This is serious. This should be fully up for discussion on a progressive board without members claiming oppression from alerts.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
110. Reply, after reply, after reply.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

Racial profiling is a serious issue. It trumps your concerns of trust. You have TWENTYSEVEN replies, two somewhat about the op. That is being generous. This is a huge issue in this country. Huge. I am simply asking you to observe the issue at hand. You are worried about alert stalking when you have twentyfive replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the op. At this point you account for over twenty percent of the replies on an op that has over one hundred replies.

We need to take this seriously.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
117. I will when others do
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jan 2016

Some on this board are allowed to be called racist. The silence from people around here calling that out as wrong was deafening .

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
122. My reply wasn't to you and isn't factually accurate to anyone other than who I was replying to.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

I have been called a racist on this board. That in no way give me the urge to wait anything out in order for me to call out racial profiling. We are different in that area. I don't come with caveats as you have laid out.

"I will when others do"

I don't need to wait for others.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
125. funny
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jan 2016

I got blocked from the AA group for calling out racism in that protected group. Racism is bad against all people. You took my comment the wrong way. I guess I should have worded it better.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
128. Now you are on about being blocked from a group.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jan 2016

Anything but the racial profiling brought to our attention by the op.

Your words were crystal clear.

Duckhunter935

117. I will when others do

Some on this board are allowed to be called racist. The silence from people around here calling that out as wrong was deafening .

Response to KamaAina (Reply #11)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
87. I was on the jury and was going to vote to Leave It. Here's my comments.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jan 2016

Dumb posts aren't' against community standards. Best just to remind this poster the "pattern" of Bernie Sanders' race relations includes him getting arrested for protesting segregation at the same time HRC was apologetically empathizing with Goldwater as he voted against the Civil Rights Act. Unlike HRC, whose "pattern" has been "evolving" on a number of issues concerning tolerance, Sanders has been pretty consistent.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. Hillary said if BLM activists didn't like what she was saying
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

then she'd only talk to whites. In 2008 she said she wanted to appeal to hard working whites. Her initial response to BLM was All Lives Matter. I could give you more examples. Does that demonstrate that she lacks compassion toward minorities? How about her advocating for sending unaccompanied undocumented children back to Central America?

Someone without compassion for minorities doesn't organize and get arrested for civil rights, doesn't spend years working against discrimination and oppression.

You are using lightly coded language to call Bernie a racist.

It's utterly contemptible to do that.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. You missed a hide by the skin of your teeth, dude/dudette.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016
On Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Racial profiling alleged at Bernie Sanders rally in St. Paul
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511082706

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The poster accuses Bernie of being racist. Yes, it's coded but that is what it is.

"We all know that Bernie Sanders has an empathy problem when it comes connecting with people of color. "

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:26 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Likely a crock of crap, but not hideable.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: blah blah blah blah GDP alert yet again....HIDE HIDE HIDE!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not outside TOS. Use Reply to show where poster is wrong.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The article is dumb. Naturally people who are looking for attention will not be allowed to be on stage behind Bernie or any candidate. The issue is with race baiting and the poster's commentary. Hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's not accusing Sanders of racism. At most, it implies one or two staffers were-- however the implication arises from their actions. Beyond that, it's a story from a new source (one I admittedly have little relevant knowledge of) and does not cross any lines. Should we accept the alert on face value, we're then compelled to hide any article which implies any negative race concerns regarding any candidate.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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And I was the deciding vote to leave it up here for further exposure to public ridicule.

Response to KamaAina (Reply #16)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
25. Hardly. I just tend to default to Leave It Alone.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jan 2016

Now, had you actually called Bernie a racist, that would have been another matter altogether.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
35. For the record, I do not believe Bernie Sanders to be a racist. He's a decent human being.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

I am just question is lack of empathy and connection with people of color.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
43. That is just absolute crap! Jesus Christ!!!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

*Bernie Sanders entered into politics through the civil rights movement, more than a half century ago. He organized with CORE (the Congress of Racial Equality) in Chicago, and led a sit-in against segregated housing as far back as 1962.

*According to John Nichols of The Nation, Sanders is one of only 2 sitting U.S. Senators who actually attended the 1963 March on Washington, and saw Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., give his “I Have A Dream” speech in person. (The other is Mitch McConnell, believe it or not...) At the time, Sanders was an organizer for SNCC (the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee).

*Bernie Sanders is one of the only elected White officeholders who endorsed Jesse Jackson for President (twice!). In 1984, he got slapped at a rally when he endorsed Jackson (though the slap was probably for remaining an Independent Socialist, rather than a Democrat). In 1988, Sanders and his organizers helped Jackson win a surprise victory in the Vermont caucuses--by one state delegate. In Jesse’s memorable phrase, Bernie Sanders & Jim Hightower were among the few elected White officeholders brave enough to “cross the color line” to support him when it mattered.

WTF??????

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
65. See post #19. That outright calls Bernie a racist.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

Unless you think lacking empathy with people of color is not racist. But I'm pretty sure you agree that it is.

On edit: I agree with you that the OP should not have been hidden. He didn't start calling Bernie a racist until post #19.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
83. I was wrong. The OP did include that statement.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

As did his first reply to a poster. And probably several others.

I am surprised you did not vote to hide that. Do you believe lack of empathy with people of color is not racist? Or did it just slip past (like it clearly slipped past me at first)?


Beacool

(30,247 posts)
70. Yes, long live censorship.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

For a Democratic site, far too many want to censor others.

How democratic........



 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
66. Not one that can't type a simple "yes" or "no' when it doesn't serve the poster's interest. Not...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

...even for a friend.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
67. I think I'll politely decline your invitation to get a hide, MinMan
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

Use your sparkling imagination

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
71. OK. I suppose I'll just have to guess.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jan 2016

What happened happened. The vehemence in response to this posting of a story in a local newspaper is, well, a bit over the top, I think. I read the story and watched the video. It's an unfortunate incident, really, in a state where Sanders needs to do well on March 1.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
73. You're taking one incident of a frazzled staffer tying to get things done and attributing the...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jan 2016

...incident to Bernie's entire campaign, as if it's standard and planned practice!

I will NEVER trust another thing you post.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
82. And yet, it did occur, and was recorded.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

As a representative of the Sanders campaign, it was unfortunate. Now it is new, and has been reported by the widest circulation weekly publication in the Twin Cities. It's decidedly not to the Sanders Campaign's advantage that it happened and is now being publicized.

What does it mean about Bernie Sanders? Probably nothing at all. What effect will it have? That's hard to say. I doubt it will help here on March 1. We'll see.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
98. Frankly, I have no idea to what you are referring.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Some other thread, I suppose. This thread is the one I'm replying in. I don't do cross-thread discussions so much..

I also don't necessarily answer "yes or no" demands very often. Most questions require a more complex answer. I can't remember what this might be about, and I don't have time to go hunt it down.

On DU, I have only people whose screen names I recognize. My friends are people I have met in person and know well. I've never met anyone from DU in person.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
146. You wrote: "What does it mean about Bernie Sanders? Probably nothing at all."
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

Nothing at all, and that's why he'll make little inroads with black voters and will lose.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
63. As I said below, it's unfortunate.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

It will receive widespread dissemination here. City Pages is a widely-read weekly paper. Incidents like this are relatively minor, really, but take on more importance when publicized.

Dissing our AA population isn't going to sit well. I know that Sanders didn't do it, of course, but the incident happened, was recorded, and will be widely seen. Unfortunate.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
54. Unfortunate. City Pages is very widely read in
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

the Twin Cities, especially by millennials. I'm far too old to be one of them, but I read it weekly, too. It's our arts, entertainment and civic life newspaper.

That staffer could have done this a little differently. These days, everyone is carrying a high-def video camera, and people are quick to record such interactions.

The Sanders campaign has a perfect right to restrict access to high-visibility positions at appearances. Yet, such selections really need to be done judiciously. Based on the cell-phone video, the action taken could have been better handled.

This will get some pretty broad coverage and notice here. That's unfortunate for the Sanders campaign.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
75. Ugh. They were afraid of another BLM debacle, so they just started kicking out black people.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016


It was Bernie's staff, not Bernie that did this, but still, it sure doesn't look good.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
91. That's certainly how it will appear to people who
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jan 2016

read that article in the City Pages and watch the video. Whether it's actually the case is another matter, but appearances count in political campaigns. This is an unfortunate incident for the Sanders campaign, and in a state where he really needs to do well at our caucuses.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
99. I feel like I am fighting for my life in this thread. Thank you to everyone who has my back.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

I am just the messenger. I love Bernie Sanders as a human being. He is a decent person. He needs to be vetted before the GE. The Republicans will unleash a torrent of opposition research on him.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
102. You posted a story from a publication in the Twin Cities.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jan 2016

It would have been posted by someone, certainly. What happened happened and was recorded on video. It will be part of the conversation. I have no problem with your posting of it. You did fine.

aikoaiko

(34,167 posts)
127. And you gave your opinion about Bernie.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

This story is strange and the video is very short and not particularly helpful in verifying the claims of racially profiling.


Oh wait, do you think what you're doing is vetting Bernie Sanders?
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
137. funny you did not feel the same way until
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016

You were blocked from the Bernie group. Where are your hit pieces on Hillary as she needs to be vetted also.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
121. Is Berne racist? Or are you racist?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

You have posted multiple times that, "Bernie Sanders lacks empathy for persons of color." So:

1. Do you believe that Sanders is racist?

2. Or do you believe that lacking empathy for persons of color is *not* racist?


One of those two questions must have a "yes" answer.


ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
134. Jury Results
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jan 2016

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling the OP a racist. It is a personal attack.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:32 PM, and voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Asking, not calling. It's not great but it is par for the course during primaries. Life is tough. Roll with it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Number23

(24,544 posts)
140. The highjacking and bullshit in this thread is Reason #12977 that you can damn near count on one
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

hand the number of posters of color that still bother to post here.

I actually came in here to ask about this bit of the article:

A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.


and see if anyone had a bit more information. But after reading all of this 2nd grade bullshit and people screaming about what group the OP posts in and they don't trust him anymore, I will take my concerns about my community back to the AA forum like I always do. I guess I should just be happy that no one posted any garbage about their candidate for president having MLK's "mantle" in this thread like I've seen in so many others. It's a small gift but I'll take it.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
143. That video is chilling. Caught straight up racially profiling.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jan 2016

Pointing and ejecting people not even in the targeted group just because of the color of the skin. And there are people dismissing this as unimportant because Bernie's image is the main priority.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
148. Yeah, you have to really watch the video to understand the blatant racial profiling.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jan 2016

One of the attendees was saying that she wasn't with the group, but was still thrown out by the Sanders campaign.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
154. Exactly. Looks like they haven't learned a thing from
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jan 2016

his earlier negative news cycles about this. The video is cringe-worthy. No excuses.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
144. When it comes to racial profiling, we as black people are seldom if ever exaggerating. We have to go
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

through this on a near-daily basis.

So if black people are saying that they're being racially profiled, I'm inclined to believe them.

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