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BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:10 AM Jan 2016

RACIAL PROFILING ALLEGED AT BERNIE SANDERS RALLY IN ST. PAUL

Bernie Sanders whipped local progressives into a frenzy Tuesday, speaking to a combined 20,000 Minnesotans during events in St. Paul and Duluth. Those huge turnout figures are a good reason for energy and optimism for Sanders supporters, with the Iowa caucus less than a week away, and Minnesota's looming on March 1.


Not everyone left happy. A handful of black activists are claiming they were racially profiled and denied a privilege they hadn't even asked for. The claims led to an ongoing fight on Twitter; the messy fallout is another example of the fragile alliance of liberals, radicals, and youths Sanders has to capture and preserve to overcome Hillary Clinton.

Initially the tale unfolded in a long train of tweets from a number of different people. Fortunately, someone in the affected group gave a more comprehensive version of the story to the This Week in Blackness podcast, which retold that side's story yesterday. A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.

After they arrived, someone from the Sanders campaign approached the group, and asked if they'd want to stand on the platform behind the candidate during the speech. These spots are prime real estate for winding up on local or national TV coverage, and event planners are known to go out of their way to throw together a collage of people with varying ages, looks, and races.


http://www.citypages.com/news/racial-profiling-alleged-at-bernie-sanders-rally-in-st-paul-8000955
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RACIAL PROFILING ALLEGED AT BERNIE SANDERS RALLY IN ST. PAUL (Original Post) BainsBane Jan 2016 OP
NO NEED TO SHOUT IT'S BEEN POSTED THREE TIMES ALREADY beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
I simply copied the title as formatted from City Pages BainsBane Jan 2016 #2
AND WE DIDN'T BUY IT THE FIRST TIME MissDeeds Jan 2016 #3
NO WE DIDN'T MUCH TO THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE OPS beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #6
KEEP IT DOWN UP THERE FFS! frylock Jan 2016 #13
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #15
AAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #90
SPEAK UP, SONNY Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #96
LOL! Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #97
Man this is BS! Rockyj Jan 2016 #35
Me either! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #37
Don't leave out messyhairgate. I SAID MESSYHAIRGATE. sarge43 Jan 2016 #106
And what about those suspicious boxes in his garage? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #107
Huh. Boxes in garages sarge43 Jan 2016 #108
It's a joke we started using whenever they accusing Bernie of something crazy. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #109
Ah. Well done. sarge43 Jan 2016 #110
LOUDER PLEASE..... pangaia Jan 2016 #101
You didn't "buy it' BainsBane Jan 2016 #10
The color of someone's skin doesn't automatically give them an out VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #17
Assuming someone is a liar because what they say BainsBane Jan 2016 #52
... VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #89
This shit again? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #60
. Perogie Jan 2016 #84
that is their tactic Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #4
"If you repeat a lie enough..." VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #5
Is it a lie? DanTex Jan 2016 #9
Apparently the group WAS going to try and disrupt his speech. JimDandy Jan 2016 #16
First I heard about the planned disruption. So the Bernie people kicked out a bunch of black DanTex Jan 2016 #18
They bounced a group of people intent on disrupting. JimDandy Jan 2016 #23
This is the second I've heard about the intent on disrupting. From the same person. DanTex Jan 2016 #25
Read it here on DU yesterday. On a mobile so can't link at moment JimDandy Jan 2016 #28
No angrychair Jan 2016 #20
When Hillary has black people thrown out of her events, it's rearranging attendees. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #39
Like "Hillary is a Republican" redstateblues Jan 2016 #54
If it looks like a hawk and talks like a hawk VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #95
I realize this may come as a shock BainsBane Jan 2016 #11
This may shock you nor do I Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #21
Best to let them sink. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #14
Kick Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #22
Kick R B Garr Jan 2016 #112
You are too funny. Punkingal Jan 2016 #46
If we didn't laugh at the antics in GDP every last one of us would be insane. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #47
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Jan 2016 #8
WTF? Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #12
Thank you for posting this video, especially for R B Garr Jan 2016 #19
bravenak sent me the link to the podcast on this if you're interested in hearing it Number23 Jan 2016 #24
That former duer has posted that her feelings about Bernie go "well past hatred" Doctor_J Jan 2016 #33
Surprising that you could not even read what I wrote before attacking me for no damn reason Number23 Jan 2016 #34
Good grief. It's a radio show BainsBane Jan 2016 #66
She is on a time out. She hasn't been banned... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #94
Ugh, bravenak has proven herself to be a troll Arazi Jan 2016 #42
It's a funny thing. I felt like posting that link from her. So I posted it. Weird, huh? Number23 Jan 2016 #44
She outright admits she's a troll Arazi Jan 2016 #49
Well, usually you can tell trolls by whether they've been tombstoned or not but I guess you've got Number23 Jan 2016 #50
Uhm you brought her up and yes, she says she's trolling Arazi Jan 2016 #51
I brought her up solely in saying that she sent me a link that is related to this OP. I had no idea Number23 Jan 2016 #55
I'm not a hater. Those are her words Arazi Jan 2016 #57
And it still has absolutely fuck all to do with my posting a link from her in this thread Number23 Jan 2016 #58
You brought her up. Someone responded that she's not trustworthy source Arazi Jan 2016 #59
"You asked for it" Number23 Jan 2016 #61
lol, you mad? Arazi Jan 2016 #62
Well, that was embarassing. You've made quite the impression in this thread Number23 Jan 2016 #63
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #68
What's really funny is that if I attacked you or someone that I thought was a troll in the same Number23 Jan 2016 #70
Ouch! Arazi Jan 2016 #72
100 posts in 10 years and damn near a third of them are now about bravenak Number23 Jan 2016 #75
Jury results shawn703 Jan 2016 #67
Thanks for that. I'm still on my phone, and I think R B Garr Jan 2016 #71
Sorry, I didn't know you had to download an app for that to play. It's an audio file and it played Number23 Jan 2016 #73
How can something be astonishing AND unsurprising? Kentonio Jan 2016 #76
Yeah, I should have said as astonishingly stupid as it was unsurprising Number23 Jan 2016 #77
No problem Kentonio Jan 2016 #78
So it would seem. Number23 Jan 2016 #79
Whatever happens in this race moving forward Kentonio Jan 2016 #80
"He's already won in the ways that matter the most." Number23 Jan 2016 #81
In the same way that OWS won. Kentonio Jan 2016 #82
No probs, I just looked at it real quick and saw that R B Garr Jan 2016 #100
PlatformGate? Bonobo Jan 2016 #26
K&R! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #27
Interesting post, thanks. Can't believe the OFF TOPIC childish comments. Oh well, as we say.... George II Jan 2016 #29
Typical dismissive taunts Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #103
I guess to those who are doing it or approve of it, it is funny. But not to the targets. George II Jan 2016 #105
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #30
EVEN ELON JAMES WHITE COULD NOT MAKE A CONVINCING CASE THAT RACIAL PROFILING WAS INVOLVED Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #31
Wow, that's a nothingburger. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #65
No, I'm listening to it now BainsBane Jan 2016 #69
would you like to come up to stage? The senator would like to help provide exposure to your cause Doctor_J Jan 2016 #32
I think the issue was more like frazzled Jan 2016 #41
The "dog and pony show" as you call it is done by every large political event I've been to. progressoid Jan 2016 #87
Yes, it's the "establishment" way of things frazzled Jan 2016 #104
If the group was planning a disruption I have absolutely no problem with them being removed nt Autumn Jan 2016 #36
Neither did Hillary when a group of AA protesters was forcefully removed from her event. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #40
That is the definition of profiling BainsBane Jan 2016 #45
Hillary did some racial profiling herself, remember when she had Black protesters removed? Autumn Jan 2016 #48
I thought you read the article? Perogie Jan 2016 #85
From the link you posted progressoid Jan 2016 #88
That's literally the worst thing I've ever heard happen to anyone anywhere! mhatrw Jan 2016 #38
Yes we know, this has been shouted over and over.. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #43
Mahalo for this, Baines. I'd read about.. Cha Jan 2016 #53
Seems like there are a few here that don't like the confirmations Sheepshank Jan 2016 #56
Apparently it was alerted on BainsBane Jan 2016 #64
First of all, we've seen enough attacks like this on Bernie that turned out to have no evidence jfern Jan 2016 #74
Live by the tweet . . . ucrdem Jan 2016 #83
SUCK OF THE DAY! Ron Green Jan 2016 #86
Interesting. Thanks. riversedge Jan 2016 #91
All I can say at this point is these developments are disturbing and warrant further investigation. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #92
Not surprised. There is a reason for the disparity in minority support between HRC and Sanders. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #93
I agree! There's a reason. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #99
Yes there is a reason workinclasszero Jan 2016 #102
This is as meaningless the fifth time as it was the first. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #98
I was selected because I had a union shirt and hat on to sit where the camera would see me Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #111
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #113

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. NO WE DIDN'T MUCH TO THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE OPS
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

Maybe the third time will be the charm and Bernie's loyal following will leave him in droves?

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Rockyj

(538 posts)
35. Man this is BS!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

I can't support Bernie anymore! He's just too HONEST & has stuck to his principles & values for too many years! He has fought for veteran's, minorities, people who live in poverty, our elderly, middle class & women rights WAY TO LONG!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. Me either!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jan 2016

I've supported Bernie since the 80s but after Buttongate and Logogate this is the last straw!

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
108. Huh. Boxes in garages
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

I thought that's what garages were for when there's no more room in the basement.

I missed the boxes in the garage kerfudel. What's the skinny?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
109. It's a joke we started using whenever they accusing Bernie of something crazy.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

What do we REALLY know about Bernie? followed by ridiculous rumours that we make up.


sarge43

(28,941 posts)
110. Ah. Well done.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

Someone should look into that woodstove in his VT home. Clearly he's destroying the environment.

I SAID WOODSTOVE

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
17. The color of someone's skin doesn't automatically give them an out
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

I seem to remember a bunch of BLM supporters trampling rough-shod over him the last time someone disrupted one of his speeches. Sincerely, a biracial BLM supporter.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
52. Assuming someone is a liar because what they say
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:41 AM
Jan 2016

isn't favorable to Bernie is pretty incredible, but we see it here every day. Frankly, I find that kind of uncritical reverence for authority deeply disturbing.

Yes, I remember the BLM controversy very well. That is when I learned that how some use the word "progressive" bears no relationship to leftism, social justice, or anything other than absolute deference for a great man.

I will NEVER believe that one man's comfort is more important than the lives of human beings. I find the entire argument horrible and showed me in no uncertain terms that I could never support such a campaign. I learned a lot about who people were from that incident, and now we see people anxious to resurrect it.

The irony of the rhetoric of revolution in face of opposition to people's movements, activism that is about human lives rather than one man's political campaign, is stunning. I don't understand this notion of "progressivism" where the people need to be deferential to men in power, where their rights--to not be killed-- to equality and political protest pale in comparison to one man's political career, the notion that he should not be confronted by the people he seeks to represent.

I'm going to Iowa this weekend to volunteer for Clinton. You've reminded me quite clearly what is at stake in this election, and why it is essential that she rather than Bernie win the nomination. For that, I thank you. I will think of all the people who attack BLM, PP, NARAL, unions, and the mothers whose sons were slain by gun violence while I work on GOTV for Clinton.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
89. ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jan 2016

Almost wish there was a whistling emoticon. That's got to be one of the lowest things I've ever seen posited on this website-- you've reminded me of why my ignore list is something that needs frequent updates. I believe those people were only going to stir trouble, so it was literally a damned if he did, damned if he didn't situation. If he threw them out, he'd be accused of racism. If he didn't throw them out, he'd have been trampled by people much with much less meaningful to say than the activists who hijacked his speech last time.

So hey, if your conscience is crooked enough to lead you to volunteer for the habitual enemy of the people you so clearly wish to put on a pedestal for the last sixteen years, have at it. Just another person to add to my ignore list.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
16. Apparently the group WAS going to try and disrupt his speech.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jan 2016

The staffer may have simply mistakenly IDed one woman as a member of the disruptor group and had her bounced along with the bona fide members of that group. Doesn't seem to be much more to the story.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. First I heard about the planned disruption. So the Bernie people kicked out a bunch of black
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

people because they thought some black people were going to protest?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
23. They bounced a group of people intent on disrupting.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jan 2016

The larger a group of distuptors is, the more dangerous it can get for everyone in a venue including for the disruptors themselves, not to mention for Bernie (who STILL has no secret service protection!) Shade of skin doesn't matter in such a situation.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
28. Read it here on DU yesterday. On a mobile so can't link at moment
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

Neither of us is a star member, so the search would take some effort. Am recalling what I read to the best of my memory. Sorry, I know links are very helpful... Was probably in one of these similar threads. Going to let this sink now, as it deserves.

angrychair

(8,697 posts)
20. No
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jan 2016

The part you focus on is likely only part of the story and the part that feeds into the HRC supporter meme that Sanders and his supporters hate people of color worse than the KKK. The lenghs you people are going to paint a Democratic Party candidate for president as a racist is vile.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
95. If it looks like a hawk and talks like a hawk
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jan 2016

well, I'll let you rationalize your own conclusions, but as far as I'm concerned, it sure the fuck isn't a dove.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
11. I realize this may come as a shock
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jan 2016

but not everyone spends 24/7 on DU. I've posted a lot here today, more than I would have liked, but I haven't read a fraction of what's been posted.

Has the City Pages article been cited before? Or other sources?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. If we didn't laugh at the antics in GDP every last one of us would be insane.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jan 2016

Of course the case could be made that we'd have to be insane to post here at all.


Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
12. WTF?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jan 2016
Soon enough, a campaign organizer had a change of heart. Someone had tipped Sanders' people that this group was planning a disruption of some kind during the senator's speech.

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The Sanders staffer approached the crowd waiting to get on stage, and identified a handful who were no longer welcome to those special spots. The moment was caught on cellphone video, later tweeted out by one of the people barred from the stage. According to the people involved, the campaign worker pointed out black attendees, only, including some who weren't even affiliated with the activist group.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
19. Thank you for posting this video, especially for
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jan 2016

those who missed it the first time.

Hard to believe people are denying what has been caught on tape here, all to bolster Bernie's image which is always their main concern.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
33. That former duer has posted that her feelings about Bernie go "well past hatred"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jan 2016

Surprising that her posts are allowed to be linked to. Unsurprising that Clinton supporters would do the linking.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
34. Surprising that you could not even read what I wrote before attacking me for no damn reason
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jan 2016

I would write that's unsurprising that a Sanders supporter would do such a thing but there are alot of Sanders supporters here that I adore and for those that I don't, I know it's been a really rough day.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
66. Good grief. It's a radio show
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

and if we weren't allowing posts by people who hated candidates, that would take out a huge number of people who expressed animosity toward Clinton.

People are entitled to their opinions. We don't yet live in an authoritarian society where dissent isn't allowed.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
42. Ugh, bravenak has proven herself to be a troll
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

of the highest order.

Why post anything from her? She's proven herself utterly dishonest.



Is she banned yet? Or is she "protected " despite being outed as a troll?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
44. It's a funny thing. I felt like posting that link from her. So I posted it. Weird, huh?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jan 2016

And sorry, you are who exactly to be calling anyone here a troll?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
50. Well, usually you can tell trolls by whether they've been tombstoned or not but I guess you've got
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jan 2016

it all figured out.

And not only does she not come anywhere near to "outright admitting she's a troll" she calls out the same behavior -- in loud, strong language -- that half of the Internet has calling out since around July of last year. But thanks for trying.

Now, if you're done trying to derail this thread and make it about bravenak instead of the OP -- though truly I can understand the desperate attempts to try to change the subject -- that would be splendid.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
51. Uhm you brought her up and yes, she says she's trolling
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jan 2016

Good luck denying it as she goes many posts into that thread proudly proclaiming her superiority as a troll

My point: she's a shitty source for any kind of authoritative commentary - she's a self admitted troll.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
55. I brought her up solely in saying that she sent me a link that is related to this OP. I had no idea
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jan 2016

it would spawn a I Hate Bravenak subthread from someone she probably doesn't even know exists, although I have no doubt WHATSOEVER that given the caliber of her haters here, she probably couldn't care less about the hate.

I certainly wouldn't if I was her.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
57. I'm not a hater. Those are her words
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jan 2016

She admits to trolling. She's pretty proud of it actually.



I lurk and observe. I rarely post but I distinctly remember this exchange.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
59. You brought her up. Someone responded that she's not trustworthy source
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jan 2016

I just responded with her comments where she admits she's a troll...

You asked for it

Number23

(24,544 posts)
61. "You asked for it"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jan 2016

Bolstering my comment that given the caliber of her haters here, I'm sure bravenak couldn't care less about them or their hate.

Thanks for that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
63. Well, that was embarassing. You've made quite the impression in this thread
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jan 2016

When the Unprovoked and Unnecessary Bravenak Hate is by far your most cogent contribution to a thread before you resort to played out internet lingo circa 2009, it's just time to bow out.

Edit: Let me just add this in just in case you "accidentally" hit that self-delete button

Arazi (112 posts)
62. lol, you mad?

Pwn3d


Waiting breathlessly for you to now announce that something was "solid" before you go fire up your 8 track now.

Response to Number23 (Reply #63)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
70. What's really funny is that if I attacked you or someone that I thought was a troll in the same
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

ridiculous and embarrassing way that you are coming after me and after bravenak, I'd be hidden. Everyone on this board knows that.

I see someone alerted on your post and even though if ANYONE is troll-ing around in this thread it's you, it was 1-6 to leave it alone. Which I have no doubt is exactly what you're counting on.

And it's obvious that you care. You went from "reading and lurking" for over ten FREAKING YEARS to come out for the sole purpose of denouncing bravenak. She is clearly TERRIBLY important to you. And now you come out with the "fangirl" stuff. When did folks stop using that -- 2010? Well, that is some improvement! In a few more years, you may actually be current!

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
72. Ouch!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jan 2016

Not.

Just keeping the playing field level regardless of the players whatever their names. DU has become distinctly "unlevel" with declared trolls like bravenak running amok. I'm unconcerned with candidate affiliation and more concerned with trollish posting. I've lurked until now when the trolling has become extreme and proudly proclaimed.

Done with that shit, especially this season.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. 100 posts in 10 years and damn near a third of them are now about bravenak
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:43 AM
Jan 2016

It is beyond clear that the irony of all of this escapes you entirely.

Which makes your continued posting on how eeeeeevil bravenak is and how SHE is exhibiting "troll behavior" so incredibly, breathtakingly hilarious.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
67. Jury results
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jan 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Uhm you brought her up and yes, she says she's trolling
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1087511

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person has now repeatedly called a member of DU a troll & shitty. MIRT would actually look at someone like this. barley 100 posts but has been here since 2005. Anyone that's been on MIRT KNOWS that's a red flag. How do they know sooo much having posted soooo little. Right, they lurked all that time. I don't think it's within community standards to continually call a member a troll. especially when that member cannot defend themselves. please consider hiding this. thank you for your time.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Doesn't rise to the level of a hide. Also, FYI, there is only one "o" in "so".
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R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
71. Thanks for that. I'm still on my phone, and I think
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:33 AM
Jan 2016

it says to download an app to listen. I'm not overly user friendly with the phone functionality LOL.. I'll check it out, though.

Bravenak was right on with her assessments of how the AA community would receive Bernie's economic focus and how his supporters trashing Obama would also be a turnoff. I still can't believe the downright irrational hostility the BS camp employs against large segments of the Democratic party base. There is no rational explanation for it.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
73. Sorry, I didn't know you had to download an app for that to play. It's an audio file and it played
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:40 AM
Jan 2016

fine for me. Sorry to make you have to do "work" just to hear that link.


Bravenak was right on with her assessments of how the AA community would receive Bernie's economic focus and how his supporters trashing Obama would also be a turnoff.


Of course she was. Why else would so many here absolutely DESPISE that woman???

She was wrong about some stuff, right about some other stuff. Typical human being. The hate towards her is as astonishing as it it unsurprising considering the sources.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
77. Yeah, I should have said as astonishingly stupid as it was unsurprising
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jan 2016

Thanks for catching such an important omission and for giving me the opportunity to correct it.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
78. No problem
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jan 2016

I'm still chuckling over your comment from the other day about how a campaign that has gone from 4% to one of the most enthralling races in years would 'go down as one of the worst run campaigns in history' but hey, I'm easily amused.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
79. So it would seem.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

Today's antics alone would make many folks see the validity of that statement but whatever makes you happy.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
80. Whatever happens in this race moving forward
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jan 2016

He's already run a campaign that has gone from basically zero expectations to energizing millions of people across the nation. He's already won in the ways that matter the most.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
81. "He's already won in the ways that matter the most."
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jan 2016

Ummm.. yeah. That's definitely one way of looking at things.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
82. In the same way that OWS won.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:17 AM
Jan 2016

They made millions of people wake up, look at the unfairness and inequality and make them realize that it was not only real but that millions of fellow Americans shared the same feelings and anger. Showing people that there is a real desire for positive change is such a hugely important and motivating thing.

Bernie may still lose like he was always expected to, but now there will be many people who end up working towards progressive causes that otherwise would have just believed that nothing can ever change. That's a very powerful thing.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
100. No probs, I just looked at it real quick and saw that
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016

option. I'll check it some more. Looks interesting!

Yes, and those sources after bravenak aren't hiding their agenda. Their phony confusion scam is alive and well here, it just gets especially mean-spirited with her. Can't say too much else on account of the alerts.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
26. PlatformGate?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016

I actually thought Hillary supporters were really into "optics".

They talk about it all the time.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Interesting post, thanks. Can't believe the OFF TOPIC childish comments. Oh well, as we say....
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

...in our town, it's "silly season". I never thought it would get THIS silly.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
103. Typical dismissive taunts
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

Like I said back in July, keep it up...

Yeah, racial profiling is funny stuff.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
31. EVEN ELON JAMES WHITE COULD NOT MAKE A CONVINCING CASE THAT RACIAL PROFILING WAS INVOLVED
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jan 2016

THE WOMAN WHO LODGED THE COMPLAINT ADMITS THAT SHE AND HER FRIENDS WERE THERE TO STAGE A PROTEST.

THE BERNIE CAMPAIGN WAS TIPPED OFF ABOUT THE PROTEST AND WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO THE STAGE BUT ALLOWED THEM TO STAY DURING THE EVENT DURING WHICH THEY PROTESTED LOUDLY AND CONSISTENTLY JUST A FEW FEET FROM BERNIE.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
69. No, I'm listening to it now
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:20 AM
Jan 2016

They were passing out fliers about immigration policy toward East Africans. We have a large and politically engaged East African Muslim population in the Twin Cities. It's a very diverse area. Evidently that diversity, according to Imandi Ghandi, was not reflected at the Sanders rally, which is the only way profiling could even be possible.

Elom James White is saying that the staff heard there might be a protest so they started pointing at random black people. How is that anything other than profiling? It wasn't just one person who was targeted.

White is trying to be fair and give a sense of the events. He isn't trying to indict or excuse Bernie. I know it's ridiculous even suggesting that anyone could possibly have any right to say anything that might contradict anyone associated with the Sanders campaign. No need for facts. No need to consider anyone's word other than Bernie and his staff. Of course everyone but Bernie and his staff are liars. They are perfect and the rest of Americans hopelessly inferior.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
32. would you like to come up to stage? The senator would like to help provide exposure to your cause
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jan 2016

HATER! RACIST! WHY DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE?

A few months ago he was a racist for letting someone commandeer the stage and shut down a Medicare discussion. Now he's a racist for inviting some immigration activists to join him on stage. Being perpetually outraged must be grueling.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
41. I think the issue was more like
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jan 2016

Would you like to come up to the stage because you are black and we need some black people for our stage-managed dog-and-pony show ... and then, oh no, you're not here to gush but to complain about a pervasive issue in the Twin Cities regarding Somali immigrants?--get off our stage!

Nobody said they hate black people. They are saying this is not the "campaign of the people" that everyone has been touting, but rather a carefully series of managed photo-ops and incredibly stupid campaign staff.

Got it now?

progressoid

(49,987 posts)
87. The "dog and pony show" as you call it is done by every large political event I've been to.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:58 AM
Jan 2016

I've been to a few here. Sanders, Clinton, Obama. Even went to a McCain event just for the fun of it. They all picked people to look good behind them.

The small meet and greets are a different thing.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
104. Yes, it's the "establishment" way of things
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

And shows that Sanders is no different than any other politician. Only his campaign does not execute things all that elegantly. They've been full of gaffes.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
45. That is the definition of profiling
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

How could anyone possibly know if they were planning a disruption based on their race?

Perogie

(687 posts)
85. I thought you read the article?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:34 AM
Jan 2016

From the link you posted.

Someone had tipped Sanders' people that this group was planning a disruption of some kind during the senator's speech.

Where in the article did you get that they based their exclusion on their race?

progressoid

(49,987 posts)
88. From the link you posted
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:04 AM
Jan 2016
Someone had tipped Sanders' people that this group was planning a disruption of some kind


It doesn't say the the Sanders' people decided to randomly throw out Black people.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
38. That's literally the worst thing I've ever heard happen to anyone anywhere!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jan 2016

Somebody may have tried to arrange a better photo op for a campaign!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
43. Yes we know, this has been shouted over and over..
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

We hate people of other than European heritage.
We get it.
To you, we are scum.
We all have little statues of Nathan Bedford Forrest hidden in our closets.
We are hated more than the Nixon

Mataku........And yes we shit thinking evil scummy socialist commie misogynistic dimwitted fucksticks will band with you to support whoever gets the nomination.

The question is, will you?

Cha

(297,158 posts)
53. Mahalo for this, Baines. I'd read about..
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jan 2016
"That is, they say they weren't planning to disrupt the speech until they were accused of planning to disrupt the speech."

I can see why they would pissed.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
56. Seems like there are a few here that don't like the confirmations
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jan 2016

.......not only of the article posted a couple of times today, but more so of the reminder that many have been concerned that Bernie is tone deaf with regards to racial issues. It not like we haven't tried to give everyone a heads up here.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
64. Apparently it was alerted on
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jan 2016

and narrowly avoided being hidden 3-4.
This is a news article. That's it.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
74. First of all, we've seen enough attacks like this on Bernie that turned out to have no evidence
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:42 AM
Jan 2016

that I'd take anything like this with a tractor trailor of salt. Secondly, I'm sure if there's anything actually wrong that happened rather than this being more David Brock lies, they'll get fired.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
83. Live by the tweet . . .
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jan 2016
The Sanders staffer approached the crowd waiting to get on stage, and identified a handful who were no longer welcome to those special spots. The moment was caught on cellphone video, later tweeted out by one of the people barred from the stage. According to the people involved, the campaign worker pointed out black attendees, only, including some who weren't even affiliated with the activist group.


Ouch.


Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
86. SUCK OF THE DAY!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:58 AM
Jan 2016

Just under the wire, PST. God, are these twisted campaign stories a desperate attempt to besmirch a good man in the service of an ambitious and dishonest woman.

Anyway:

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
99. I agree! There's a reason.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jan 2016

Note to Jury: The differences in the support from minorities is a demonstrable and documented fact. This post contained no lies. Please note that I did not mention what the reason may be. I only noted that there is a reason that could explain this fact. No candidate was attacked or smeared. No candidate's supporters were insulted with broad-brush attacks.

Omaha Steve

(99,601 posts)
111. I was selected because I had a union shirt and hat on to sit where the camera would see me
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

I made it into the the video. Was interviewed by the NYT. It is a common practice.


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