2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNY Times: The Huge Enthusiasm Deficit: Why Boomer Women Don't Like Hillary Clinton
Why Don't Boomer Women Like Hillary?
THERE is nothing more sexist than wanting Hillary Clinton as president because shes a woman.
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Mrs. Clinton, 68, has always counted on women of her generation as her rock-solid base.
Polls dont quantify doubts, but anecdotally, enthusiasm for her is anemic. Ambivalence is seeping in about her authenticity and the power of her symbolism as a woman.
Once again, she has been caught coasting on inevitability.....
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It figures that:
Mrs. Clintons latest gain appears to be among moderate Republican women who are revolted by the extremism of Mr. Trump.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/campaign-stops/why-dont-boomer-women-like-hillary-clinton.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
Baitball Blogger
(46,573 posts)At some point she will recognize how close she came and she will understand that she lost it because she didn't represent herself as an independent woman. All this criticism she is receiving all boils down to the concerns that she is too close to the organizations and people that the American people want nothing to do with. She is intelligent, she is experienced but she is not independent. And that's what the feminist movement was all about.
senz
(11,945 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I thought it was supposed to be such a bad thing if Republicans were to vote for Bernie, but now it looks like some might vote for her?
Oops! Back that meme up!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Republican women for Hillary.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)And I am the youngest in a group of women that support Bernie - lol.
Of course we all want to see a woman elected to the White House while we are still here on earth BUT Elizabeth Warren decided to stay in the Senate.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)one that will not embarrass the crap out of us...and yes EW would have fit the bill. There will be another come along.
I take immense hope with the motivation of the formerly non-participants or clothespin participants in our Oligarchy at this point. It's time.
DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts). . .in my lifetime. Just not Hillary Clinton.
Sometimes the dice just don't roll your way.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)of coveting that job and willingness to do whatever necessary to get it. And for women of our generation, that was often necessary...especially in a man's world.
At some point, that comes through and I think that's her negative rating. The culture has changed. I was for her before Obama came along. Not this time, even before Bernie.
But now, in my lifetime, I can vote whole-heartedly for a candidate that can actually win. For a Liberal, that's a big deal. I've spent most of my life having to compromise my deeply held beliefs...that used to be the Democratic Party when I joined.
If it takes an Independent to bring us back to our roots, then sobeit. My tent is no longer big enough to accommodate the Corporatist Democrats.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I turn 70 in a month and a half (yay!) and went through the Feminism wars while working.
I had some fantastic female bosses, and some really really shitty ones.
We wanted an equal playing field, not PREFERENCE just because of gender.
I supported Hillary in 2008, support Bernie now, and would be/would have been thrilled to support Liz Warren.
senz
(11,945 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)And completely unsubstantiated. According to the most recent NBC poll (Jan 27), Hillary Clinton's support among women 45-64 and 65+ is 63% (compared to Sanders's 25-26%).
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/where-sanders-clinton-are-dominating-n505381
If you want to know what the NY Times think--about Sheehy, not Clinton--here's a review of her book from two years ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/books/daring-my-passages-by-gail-sheehy.html
amborin
(16,631 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)Why is "LOL" even a response? I know I've been effective when all people have is "LOL" followed by a hypothetical question.
DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)I have been concerned about Gail's fixation on Hillary for a long time now. Its creepy. Sheehy is creepy.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Or Karl Rove, for that matter.
I see nothing wrong with someone writing an article about someone they admire. Why do you? It's called an Editorial and I'm sure that before it was published, some level of fact checking was done.
The "polls" are insane...from both sides. Remember that's Liberal, listen and respect everyone, then make up your own mind. Conservative is...thinking what someone else thinks is the best.
Sounded like a negative attack to me.
Creepy...to describe a human person? Maybe even a personal attack.
treestar
(82,383 posts)People need to learn to speak for themselves.
cali
(114,904 posts)though I think it could be argued that her influence has waned, but calling her some crazy pop writer is inaccurate. Personally, I've never been a fan. I don't care for her arch, self conscious writing style- but that's another story.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)At its core they don't believe a word out of her mouth. Not just her but all establishment politicians. Its hard to believe you will fund your campaign with special interests and than stand with the average voter.
Older voters are less idealistic and basically have resigned to the system corruption whether its conscious or not. Younger voters tend to vote for something or not vote at all. If you don't believe Hillary, why vote at all?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)All females. We vote on issues.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)being the age I am (1 year older than HRC) I am a good judge of character. Have followed the Clinton's through the years. Have watched her body language and what she has said and done. I will be voting for Bernie.
SamKnause
(13,041 posts)Greybnk48
(10,148 posts)I think of her as a Goldwater girl. I WILL, however, support her if she's the Dem nominee.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)definitely not supporting her.
I don't see the reason for the hate on this thread for the editorial. It was pretty balanced from start to finish.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)She has made money by writing about Hillary and her life "choices". I put her in the same category that I put MoDo and Camille Paglia, all Hillary haters.
cali
(114,904 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes I'm sure they're up all night, night after night, just a-hatin' Hillary.
dsc
(52,129 posts)even a cursory reading of their writings would show that.
Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)I don't know what you are talking about.
frylock
(34,825 posts)by urging his buddy Trump to run in the first place.
senz
(11,945 posts)I've heard a number of credible observations that Trump entered the race as a spoiler. Some said he was in to knock out Jeb Bush (which he did), some said his rude utterances are designed to garner sympathy and support for Hillary, whom he admits is a friend. Plus, Jeb Bush was originally considered her most formidable competitor for the GE, and he's gone. But I never heard the Republican women angle, although it ties in perfectly with sympathy and support for Hillary.
So far, he doesn't say much about Bernie.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...my family support Bernie. They're insulted by the notion that a woman should vote for a woman because she's a woman.
And all the young women in my family support him too!
DiehardLiberal
(580 posts)I vote on issues and integrity. Would love a woman president but one who would help us all. That isn't Hillary unfortunately.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Ya think?
Faux pas
(14,582 posts)'goldwater democrat'.
She turned me off when I found that out 20 something years ago. Never have warmed up to her and never will.
I'm a female Boomer.
pandr32
(11,447 posts)...do not want HC for President because she is a woman, but because of how much she has done and will do for women...and children, and all kinds of families, and communities.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)She will, however, vote for Bernie.
Vinca
(50,168 posts)It's not that I don't think she's smart or can't do the job of POTUS. I guess she comes across as really, really phony to me. She doesn't seem to have convictions that can't be swayed if the price/number of votes is right. If she's the nominee I'll vote for her, but it will be a vote against the Republican, not for the Democrat.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)there is no authenticity or humility in her. It's all an act.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Not a sincere bone in her body, and then there's the huge sense of entitlement.
There have also been a few occasions when someone dares to ask a serious question, when you see the rage flash for a second behind the fake smile.
Instinctively I recoil from her.
livetohike
(22,084 posts)Hillary Clinton.
senz
(11,945 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)for Bernie here. Husband too.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)and I am proudly and solidly for Bernie Sanders.
kath
(10,565 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)I'm not voting for her either.
catbyte
(34,169 posts)concrete thing. It makes no sense, it's just a gut feeling. Her overly-defensive crack about "I'm not the little woman baking cookies" during the 1992 election rubbed me the wrong way, and she's mildly irked me ever since. She was arrogant presenting her health care plans in 1993-94. I was disappointed in her Iraq War vote because Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. It seemed like she was just showing how "tough" she was, even though it made no sense in relation to retaliating for the WTC attacks. Her ties to Wall Street and that weird prayer group thing in Washington also bugs me.
I'm not a big Bernie fan, either. I love his domestic policy positions, but he really needs to get up to speed where foreign policy is concerned. He seems naive and out of his depth at times.
However, I will wholeheartedly support whoever the nominee is, because the alternative is unthinkable and would be an absolute disaster.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)I campaigned for Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (before I could vote).
I am a 66-year-old woman who has only voted Republican twice in my life (against Clinton in 1996 and against a county clerk (big mistake--but the Democrat wasn't very good either).
I vote with my head AND my heart so I support Bernie Sanders because his dreams are my dreams and he has consistently supported those dreams and ideas. Hillary has not.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)generally speaking, tend towards HRC.
With a certain age you look for continuity, and
may be very suspicious of change. That is the
reason why most younger people prefer Bernie.
jmo.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I realize that DU is in no way representative of the population at large, but it's almost amazing how many here do not support her.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)She annoys me. I'll probably vote for her if I have to - although how I vote in Alaska in national elections makes not one bit of difference - but I'd really rather vote for someone who shares my long-held values, and that would be Sen. Sanders.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)I was straddling the fence saying I would vote for the nominee (and still will), but I've determined that Bernie will get my support during the primaries. We'll go nowhere with the status quo, and Hillary offers nothing but watered down Bernie proposals. Every reason people give for Bernie being unable to get his agenda past the Republicans goes for Hillary with her tepid proposals. Why not go for what this country wants and needs?
There was a political revolution in 1980 that swept Reagan and the Republicans into power. It's time WE took back our country from Reaganomics, and ended the oil depletion allowance for once and for all, and stopped with big bankers being Too Big to Jail. Hillary will have no effect on the gross income equality in America.
A political revolution is long overdue and I'm on the Bus for Bernie.
senz
(11,945 posts)The women quoted in the article definitely represent my sisterhood. I would have loved for Elizabeth Warren to run, but since this election is extremely important, I do not have the luxury of voting for a woman whose history shows her to be anathema to the well-being of the American people and nearly everything I care about.
I am so grateful that Bernie Sanders is running, a feminist man whose principles, history, and vision match my own. He is an exceptionally good candidate for president, a proven winner who means what he says.
But I can certainly understand why Republican women in my age group would support Hillary. They are, after all, Republicans.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I was a flower child during my teen years with this poster in my bedroom. Hillary is the epitome of what was wrong then, and still is today.