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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:41 PM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton, campaign bully

Yup, this OpEd says it all.
We saw it in the 2008 election cycle against Obama and we're seeing again this year against Bernie.

Hillary Clinton, campaign bully. When she’s out of facts, Clinton throws dirt
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/hillary-clinton-campaign-bully.html#



It is possible neither Clinton nor her senior advisers, aside from Penn, knew of or condoned these dirty tactics. But she certainly has a high tolerance for slimy operatives who specialize in sewing doubt and fear. During this year’s campaign, she has accused her top rival, Bernie Sanders, of wanting to “tear up” the Affordable Care Act and dispatched her daughter to frighten voters with the specter of a Sanders health care plan that would strip low-income people of Medicaid. Both claims are patently false. He favors a single-payer health care system that would extend coverage to all Americans, not take it away. Clinton knows this, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.

Now her campaign is telling voters that Sanders would lose in the general election and damage the prospects of Democrats in congressional and gubernatorial races around the country because America hates socialists. There is nothing to support this claim. Nearly all polls to date indicate that Sanders would do better than Clinton in the general election if his opponent is Donald Trump, and recent polls indicate that he would outperform her against Sen. Ted Cruz as well. She is too young to have many memories of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, but she is surely conversant with his legacy. Evidently she hears no ugly echoes in comments like this gem from Clinton ally and Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon: “Here in the heartland, we like our politicians in the mainstream, and [Sanders] is not. He’s a socialist.”



Never mind that Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and his views place him squarely in the mainstream. If Clinton is as eager as she claims to attract millennials to her campaign, she might want to consider the fact that 18-to-29-year-olds have a more favorable view of socialism than of capitalism. She can trot out as many TV showrunners and 23-year-old Disney escapees as she can scare up, but it’s not going to help her much. Lena Dunham’s millennial-bait interview with Clinton revealed little about the candidate’s convictions, aside from an affirmation that Clinton is a feminist who believes student loans should have lower interest rates. (Sanders thinks college should be free.) Even young people care more about policy positions than pop stars.

The Clinton campaign hit a new low in 2016 when Clinton ally and confirmed liar David Brock told The Associated Press that Sanders’ latest ad makes it seem as if “black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders.” It’s not surprising that Brock — who is best known for, back in his archconservative days, viciously smearing Anita Hill during the 1991 Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings — doesn’t know the difference between advocacy and pandering. But let’s pretend for a moment that counting the number of black faces in a political ad is a fair and reasonable way of assessing a candidate’s commitment to defending black lives.


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Hillary Clinton, campaign bully (Original Post) pinebox Jan 2016 OP
LOL. "Nothing to support the claim" that America won't vote for a socialist. DanTex Jan 2016 #1
The notably outdated Gallup poll? Sure. Bubzer Jan 2016 #30
OK, Sanders will light the ACA on a small fire and throw it in the trash or just go single uponit7771 Jan 2016 #2
the aca supports greedy insurance companies restorefreedom Jan 2016 #3
OK, you started your response as a justification to tear up the ACA and then gave no reasoning uponit7771 Jan 2016 #4
the aca is not without merit. but it can't be the end point. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #5
right Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #35
Precisely... time to take the greedy insurance companies out of the equation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #40
yes! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #41
The ACA is unsustainable. jeff47 Jan 2016 #26
Obama wasn't bullied. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #6
wow. just wow. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #7
Turn that upside down and you have a great progressive. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #9
If they think they're bullied now, wait till they see what Trump does. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #10
Trump has no power with the DNC, Hillary does. Loudestlib Jan 2016 #31
Sanders campaign has turned negative, dirty, and deceitful the last few days. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #8
Oh? pinebox Jan 2016 #11
Here's the link you were looking for Renew Deal Jan 2016 #12
Alleged pinebox Jan 2016 #15
"The Culinary Union confirmed the reports." And are "disappointed and offended.” Renew Deal Jan 2016 #16
So you have 2 sides saying 2 different things. pinebox Jan 2016 #17
I once infiltrated the Chargers by wearing a jersey to the game. frylock Jan 2016 #43
Fraudulent flyers? sarge43 Jan 2016 #28
Every time I see and hear her speak FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #13
She has the exact same effect on me. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #14
And on me, too! And my husband, but I'm a better cringer! Duval Jan 2016 #32
Like nails on a chalkboard. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #36
I can stomach her, but I don't believe her. I just can't trust her. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #39
All Hillary needs to understand is that THIS IS THE REASON I will not ever be voting for her. eom ViseGrip Jan 2016 #18
Al Jazeera the Saudi TV network? You couldn't find anything on RT the Putin tv network? nt msongs Jan 2016 #19
Al Jazeera AMERICA. nc4bo Jan 2016 #20
You have a problem with AJ? pinebox Jan 2016 #21
Hillary seems to think they do a pretty damn good job: closeupready Jan 2016 #25
O. M. G. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #27
Sanders is a Pre-Reagan Democrat. They are now referred to as "Socialists". jalan48 Jan 2016 #22
She IS a bully, and her supporters. A coward and bully. closeupready Jan 2016 #23
Her campaign tactics are unethical and insulting. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #24
But...but...Bernie supporters are rude and obnoxious! nxylas Jan 2016 #29
K&R! Duval Jan 2016 #33
Came out right away over Snowden and make believe WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #34
aljazeera "opinion", and dragging up stuff that a third party did way back in 1991 (doing the math.. George II Jan 2016 #37
I wish she would bully Wall Street like she bullies Millennials. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #38
Shit flingers gonna fling shit. frylock Jan 2016 #42

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. LOL. "Nothing to support the claim" that America won't vote for a socialist.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

Well, if you ignore the fact that a Gallup poll found that only 47% would consider it, even if they otherwise thought the candidate was well qualified. And then there's the fact that nobody describing them as a socialist, or with politics as far left as Bernies, has won any significant election outside a few blue states since... umm, has that ever happened?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
2. OK, Sanders will light the ACA on a small fire and throw it in the trash or just go single
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

... payer ... same effect.

There's little to no building on the ACA...

That's not in dispute

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
3. the aca supports greedy insurance companies
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

it was only meant to be a stepping stone.

nevertheless, saying bernie will tear it all down is pure bullshit. he will take the best of it and expand it to m for a

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. OK, you started your response as a justification to tear up the ACA and then gave no reasoning
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

... Sanders current plan is going to operate side by side with it.

People who've looked at Sanders plan know the employees aren't going to pay the ACA cost or penalty AND.... and pay the 2.2% increase in payroll taxes.

its either or

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
5. the aca is not without merit. but it can't be the end point.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jan 2016

where it goes remains to be seen, but an evolution towards medicare for all is something all progressives should get behind, imo

i doubt anyone on du is an insurance executive. we should all be working towards ending their greedy grip on people's health

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. The ACA is unsustainable.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

Medical costs are not rising as fast anymore, but they are still rising faster than inflation, and WAAAAAAY faster than wages.

Yet the subsidies in the ACA are tied to poverty level, not cost of insurance.

That means we are going to relatively quickly reach a point where people well outside the subsidy range can not afford insurance.

This can not be fixed by private insurance. Every private insurer bases their payouts on Medicare + X%.

We need to be pushing single payer because our options are single payer, or the collapse of the ACA. It is not possible to tweak the ACA to stop this. There are plenty of ways to use the ACA to get to single-payer, but single-payer is where we have to be headed.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Obama wasn't bullied.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jan 2016

He wouldn't let himself be. We aren't talking school yard shit here. Though that is about the level of this thought process. Funny the transition that Sanders is now being bullied. I would be more inclined to believe that.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
10. If they think they're bullied now, wait till they see what Trump does.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
31. Trump has no power with the DNC, Hillary does.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

Unless you count the fact that he was a long time Hillary supporter.

n/t

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
8. Sanders campaign has turned negative, dirty, and deceitful the last few days.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

From fraudulent flyers to infiltrating unions. This article from establishment media is a deflection.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. Oh?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016

Infiltrating unions? How exactly is that done? I'm quite curious. You say Sanders campaign is negative but never mind the fact that Hillary is far more low blowing than Bernie has been. I cited you the examples in the article above.
Pointing out Hillary's questionable stances & record is fair game. Speaking fees. Gay marriage. Iraq. On and on.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
12. Here's the link you were looking for
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

Reports surfaced Thursday alleging that campaign employees of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) had posed as hotel workers on the Las Vegas Strip in order to preach to members of the Culinary Union — one of the biggest and most politically influential unions in the key early caucus state.

The Culinary Union confirmed the reports, telling ThinkProgress in a statement that the campaign’s actions left them “disappointed and offended.”

“It’s completely inappropriate for any campaign to attempt to mislead Culinary Union members, especially at their place of work,” said the union’s Secretary-Treasurer Geoconda Arguello-Kline. “We strongly condemn anyone falsifying their affiliation with the Culinary Union in order to gain access to properties and we will cooperate with casinos and hotels so that this matter is fully resolved.”

Sanders campaign workers visited four unionized hotels, The Rio, Paris, The Mirage and Planet Hollywood, and by wearing the union’s iconic yellow button, accessed employee dining rooms to speak with and give Sanders literature to workers.
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/28/3743961/sanders-nevada-union/

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
16. "The Culinary Union confirmed the reports." And are "disappointed and offended.”
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

The Culinary Union confirmed the reports, telling ThinkProgress in a statement that the campaign’s actions left them “disappointed and offended.”

They weren't disappointed over people playing dress up.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
17. So you have 2 sides saying 2 different things.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

As the screen cap said, people were wearing culinary buttons and had Bernie paraphernalia. I don't call that infiltrating. Infiltrating is the video of Romney's 47% comment.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
28. Fraudulent flyers?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

Still waiting for any evidence that the Sanders' campaign was responsible. Hell, still waiting for any evidence that "flyer" was anything more than a photoshop. However, you're probably right; it was a fraud or as we political junkies like to call it "ratfucking".

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
13. Every time I see and hear her speak
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jan 2016

I cringe. The constant lecturing and admonishing and the aggressive jabbing hand gestures are too much. I cannot stomach her.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
39. I can stomach her, but I don't believe her. I just can't trust her.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jan 2016

And as such, I'll do anything I can to avoid having to vote for her.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
20. Al Jazeera AMERICA.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jan 2016

Not a bad news source as news sources go.

And, by the way

ETA: Raina Lipsitz writes about feminism, politics and pop culture. Her work has appeared in TheAtlantic.com, Kirkus Reviews, McSweeney’s, Nerve.com, Ploughshares, Salon.com and xoJane, among others. 

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera America's editorial policy. 


We are all entitled to our own opinions.
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
21. You have a problem with AJ?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

They are respected around the world for REAL journalism. It's not punditry like the big 3.

jalan48

(13,860 posts)
22. Sanders is a Pre-Reagan Democrat. They are now referred to as "Socialists".
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

Pre-Reagan Republicans are now referred to as "Mainstream Democrats". Get with it!!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
23. She IS a bully, and her supporters. A coward and bully.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

A supporter here on DU claimed in another thread that people in her campaign were taking down screen names here and was going to get revenge on them after she takes office.

Likely not true, but this is the desperation and the kinds of tactics they are now resorting to.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
24. Her campaign tactics are unethical and insulting.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

This to me, is a bigger problem than her uninspiring message.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
29. But...but...Bernie supporters are rude and obnoxious!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

If you want proof, here are some links to a load of other DU comments about how rude and obnoxious Bernie supporters are

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
34. Came out right away over Snowden and make believe
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

whistle blower laws that would have protected him. She went into a full blown rant

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. aljazeera "opinion", and dragging up stuff that a third party did way back in 1991 (doing the math..
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

....that's TWENTY FIVE YEARS ago!)

Too funny.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
38. I wish she would bully Wall Street like she bullies Millennials.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

I'd vote for her if she did. As she doesn't, I'll vote for O'Malley or for Sanders - whichever of the two wins the nomination.

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