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Sanders Running "Most Negative" Democratic Primary Campaign in History (Original Post) firebrand80 Jan 2016 OP
. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
LOL, this is NOT THE ONION ram2008 Jan 2016 #2
The op needs a spittake warning! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #8
Bwahaha. cali Jan 2016 #3
That's an impressive level of cognitive dissonance. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #4
Someone has a bad case of projection, not remembering this (esp. after the 7 min mark). TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #42
"according to a Clinton advisor" - bwahahahaha! djean111 Jan 2016 #5
Bring me my fainting couch. That horrid little man. Armstead Jan 2016 #6
Wow. cali Jan 2016 #7
Really, Benenson? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #9
I think I pulled something and I freaked the dog out Fumesucker Jan 2016 #10
The Clinton advisor is a pathological liar. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #11
This doesnt even pass the smell test. Skwmom Jan 2016 #12
Did he say it with a straight face? n/t Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #13
The Clinton campaign is the definition of insanity Z_California Jan 2016 #14
In history? ejbr Jan 2016 #15
*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #17
Ha! ejbr Jan 2016 #32
He talks about ridiculous things like issues and voting records. WE talk about what is important Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #16
According to a Clinton advisor??? MissDeeds Jan 2016 #18
That's politics. bigwillq Jan 2016 #19
The dude who said that, Benenson, helped knock out Hillary in 2008 GreatGazoo Jan 2016 #20
That's an interesting observation. I'm not sure if I agree completely with the spokesperson. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #21
Lol. It's a crazy, desperate lie. The Clinton campaign is hopelessly tone deaf cali Jan 2016 #46
Quandary: To Rec or Not to Rec Z_California Jan 2016 #22
Most pathetic case of projection I have ever seen AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #23
omfg ROFL!! nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #24
The spin is strong right now with them SheenaR Jan 2016 #25
Since when is the truth negative. bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #26
Does anyone need further proof she's a Republican. draa Jan 2016 #27
LULZ!!! Champion Jack Jan 2016 #28
Those are GOP trolls starting the worst of the attacks. Not real Bernie supporters. applegrove Jan 2016 #29
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ypsfonos Jan 2016 #30
Clinton advisores must be feeling like winners... HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #31
The fuck?! frylock Jan 2016 #33
... Matariki Jan 2016 #34
The "vocal point" of his attacks? mhatrw Jan 2016 #35
Hahahaha!!!! Nice post. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #36
+1 firebrand80 Jan 2016 #38
it appears the Clinton camp has adopted the Republican calendar to make historical claims: islandmkl Jan 2016 #37
My God, how bad *are* her internal numbers? winter is coming Jan 2016 #39
It seems the Clinton team thinks... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #40
H deserves to be exposed RobertEarl Jan 2016 #41
What gets me is how stupid they think we are. cali Jan 2016 #43
"... I do think it’s been extremely negative and I think it’s unfortunate.” Volaris Jan 2016 #44
The projection is amazing jfern Jan 2016 #45
They lie so much I think they have forgotten how to tell the truth. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #47
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. "according to a Clinton advisor" - bwahahahaha!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

Remember, any campaign that does not support Hillary is, according to her supporters, negative.
Like Bernie is not the target of Hillary's attacks. FFS.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. Bring me my fainting couch. That horrid little man.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

The aforemntioned Clinton advisory must have lived in a monastery for the last 50 years. And also hasn't been listening to his boss.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. Wow.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

Benenson, formerly a top pollster to President Obama, said he doesn't recall the 2008 race being as contentious.

“I was on [President] Obama’s side then,” he said. "I don’t think we had the range of negativity on either side.”

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. Really, Benenson?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016
The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama

Unable to find much that Barack Obama himself has said or believes that is particularly alien to the thinking and values of most Americans, Hillary Clinton and her supporters in the media have chosen instead to engage in a campaign of guilt-by-association.

Not surprisingly, right-wing media pundits and prominent Republicans have thrown their weight behind Clinton's efforts, taken advantage of the New York senator's attacks to smear the likely Democratic presidential nominee. For example, North Carolina Republicans are readying a television ad on the eve of that state's primary which includes a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together, a video clip of Wright making incendiary comments, with a voiceover telling voters that Obama is "just too extreme for North Carolina."

Clinton's guilt-by-association campaign has even moved to additional degrees of separation. For example, before tens of millions of viewers of the April 16 debate in Philadelphia, Clinton again brought up Obama's alleged "relationships with Louis Farrakhan," despite Obama's repeated and unequivocal denunciations of anti-Semitic statements and other controversial actions by the Black Muslim leader. The apparent extent of Obama's alleged "relationship" with the Nation of Islam leader which prompted Clinton's charge was that a magazine for which Obama's pastor's daughter serves as publisher granted an award to Farrakhan in honor of a successful program he had set up to rehabilitate ex-convicts.

During that same debate, Clinton went so far as to link Obama with the radical Palestinian Islamist group Hamas because the "pastor's pages" section of the weekly bulletin of the church Obama attended once included -- as part of a series of opinion pieces reprinted from various newspapers around the country -- an op-ed column from the Los Angeles Times written by a Hamas leader. Though Obama had already categorically condemned the decision to reprint that article, Clinton told the tens of millions of viewers that "we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to," such as the pastor who -- in Clinton's typically hyperbolic version of events designed to discredit her rival -- was guilty of "giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas."

Hillary Clinton has even attacked Obama for having served on the board of the Chicago anti-poverty group known as the Woods Fund at the same time as former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. Ayers, who was never convicted of any crime, is now a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and served as a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley. Clinton apparently saw it as irrelevant that, at the time of Ayers' involvement in the Weather Underground, Obama was just eight years old and living nearly ten thousand miles away in Indonesia.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/04/30/clinton-smear-campaign-against-obama

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. I think I pulled something and I freaked the dog out
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

And that was before I clicked on the title.

GD-P is the best entertainment evah!

I've been using this more and more lately after avoiding it for years.

Z_California

(650 posts)
14. The Clinton campaign is the definition of insanity
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

I really can't believe how inept, dishonest, and tone deaf these guys are.

I'm sure insulting everyone's intelligence will get you votes. Another epic fucking fail.

Come Wednesday, HRC would be well advised to clean house and bring some individuals in who have been outside the bubble and can bring some perspective. This is a sad sad campaign. If she is nominated our only hope is the opposing campaign is equally inept. Not a good bet.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. He talks about ridiculous things like issues and voting records. WE talk about what is important
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

namely, what a bunch of doody-heads Sanders supporters are!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
20. The dude who said that, Benenson, helped knock out Hillary in 2008
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016
The next section was headlined, “The Fault Line: Hillary’s the Problem, Not the Answer,” and the strategists laid out the case against Clinton in stark terms, explaining that everything in Obama’s campaign, including his slogan—“Change you can believe in”—was meant to provide a contrast with Hillary, not on policy, but on character:

“Change you can believe in” was intended to frame the argument along the character fault line, and this is where we can and must win this fight. We cannot let Clinton especially blur the lines on who is the genuine agent of change in this election.

• The reason Clinton can’t be trusted or believed when it comes to change is that she represents, to a great degree, the three sources of discontent formulated in our premise.
• She’s driven by political calculation not conviction, regularly backing away and shifting positions on issues ranging from war, to Social Security, to trade, to reform.
• She embodies trench warfare vs. Republicans, and is consumed with beating them rather than unifying the country and building consensus to get things done.
• She prides herself on working the system, not changing it—rebuffing reforms on everything from lobbyist donations to budget earmarks.
...
Hillary learned a lot of lessons from the 2007-2008 battle with Obama. In fact, one of the first decisions she made this time around was to hire Joel Benenson, the pollster who helped write the memo on how to beat her.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton

So If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em. ?

I understand highlighting contrasts with one's opponent but it is sad that Team Clinton has chosen to try and distort Sanders' positions in their desperation to hold back the tide.

Considering that Benenson is a pollster, he may know how well Sanders' positions are favored over Clinton's. He can't change Clinton's positions so they change Bernie's. Disgusting.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. That's an interesting observation. I'm not sure if I agree completely with the spokesperson.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jan 2016

But, when one considers how dreadful Bernie's national poll numbers are, and that Hillary has an embarrassment of riches with regard to her union endorsements, and political endorsements from governors, senators and congresspersons ... well ... I guess it makes sense that the Sanders campaign might be feeling a little frustrated about right now. I know it's just human nature and all, but often times, someone's frustration manifests itself in ways that aren't necessarily productive.




Note to Jury: It was the Clinton spokesperson who made those comments. I did not make those comments. What I did say is that the spokesperson's observations were interesting and that I haven't yet formed an opinion on whether or not I agree with the spokesperson. I also offered a brief analysis regarding the possible underlying reasons that make have caused the spokesperson to reach their stated conclusions about Bernie's campaign. No candidate or candidate's supporters were smeared or attacked or insulted.

Z_California

(650 posts)
22. Quandary: To Rec or Not to Rec
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jan 2016

The HRC campaign is so over the top insulting that I believe they help my candidate in the primaries.

Does a rec indicate approval of the content? Help me with this fellow Berniebros.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
23. Most pathetic case of projection I have ever seen
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jan 2016

And a sure sign the wheels are coming off over at Camp Weather vane.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
25. The spin is strong right now with them
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Pay no attention to the e-mails on the private server.

Even though you or I would go to jail for such a violation without thought.

draa

(975 posts)
27. Does anyone need further proof she's a Republican.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

Projection is the GOP's stock and trade. It doesn't work but hey, can't blame an idiot for trying.

applegrove

(118,616 posts)
29. Those are GOP trolls starting the worst of the attacks. Not real Bernie supporters.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

Just paid gop trolls whose bosses don't want to face Hillary in the general.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
35. The "vocal point" of his attacks?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

I realize that with Clinton supporters we must curve our expectations, but that quote was so out of bounce that it gave me an outer body experience.

Sadly, we must now take it for granite that Clinton's cronies will always try to make Sanders the escape goat for their own rampant negativity.

For all intensive purposes, this advisor cut off his nose despite his face. Hopefully, this will be their death nail.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
37. it appears the Clinton camp has adopted the Republican calendar to make historical claims:
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016
THERE IS NO TIME BEFORE JANUARY 2009

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
40. It seems the Clinton team thinks...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

...that not going negative means Bernie should be running positive ads about Hillary.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
44. "... I do think it’s been extremely negative and I think it’s unfortunate.”
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:08 AM
Jan 2016

LOL!
Now you know what it looks like when vampires attack sunlight.

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