2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Running "Most Negative" Democratic Primary Campaign in History
according to a Clinton advisor
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267539-clinton-spox-sanders-most-negative-dem-primary-bid-ever
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)Desperate.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Ok, now they're on the crazy train.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
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djean111
(14,255 posts)Remember, any campaign that does not support Hillary is, according to her supporters, negative.
Like Bernie is not the target of Hillary's attacks. FFS.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The aforemntioned Clinton advisory must have lived in a monastery for the last 50 years. And also hasn't been listening to his boss.
cali
(114,904 posts)Benenson, formerly a top pollster to President Obama, said he doesn't recall the 2008 race being as contentious.
I was on [President] Obamas side then, he said. "I dont think we had the range of negativity on either side.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unable to find much that Barack Obama himself has said or believes that is particularly alien to the thinking and values of most Americans, Hillary Clinton and her supporters in the media have chosen instead to engage in a campaign of guilt-by-association.
Not surprisingly, right-wing media pundits and prominent Republicans have thrown their weight behind Clinton's efforts, taken advantage of the New York senator's attacks to smear the likely Democratic presidential nominee. For example, North Carolina Republicans are readying a television ad on the eve of that state's primary which includes a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together, a video clip of Wright making incendiary comments, with a voiceover telling voters that Obama is "just too extreme for North Carolina."
Clinton's guilt-by-association campaign has even moved to additional degrees of separation. For example, before tens of millions of viewers of the April 16 debate in Philadelphia, Clinton again brought up Obama's alleged "relationships with Louis Farrakhan," despite Obama's repeated and unequivocal denunciations of anti-Semitic statements and other controversial actions by the Black Muslim leader. The apparent extent of Obama's alleged "relationship" with the Nation of Islam leader which prompted Clinton's charge was that a magazine for which Obama's pastor's daughter serves as publisher granted an award to Farrakhan in honor of a successful program he had set up to rehabilitate ex-convicts.
During that same debate, Clinton went so far as to link Obama with the radical Palestinian Islamist group Hamas because the "pastor's pages" section of the weekly bulletin of the church Obama attended once included -- as part of a series of opinion pieces reprinted from various newspapers around the country -- an op-ed column from the Los Angeles Times written by a Hamas leader. Though Obama had already categorically condemned the decision to reprint that article, Clinton told the tens of millions of viewers that "we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to," such as the pastor who -- in Clinton's typically hyperbolic version of events designed to discredit her rival -- was guilty of "giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas."
Hillary Clinton has even attacked Obama for having served on the board of the Chicago anti-poverty group known as the Woods Fund at the same time as former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. Ayers, who was never convicted of any crime, is now a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and served as a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley. Clinton apparently saw it as irrelevant that, at the time of Ayers' involvement in the Weather Underground, Obama was just eight years old and living nearly ten thousand miles away in Indonesia.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/04/30/clinton-smear-campaign-against-obama
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And that was before I clicked on the title.
GD-P is the best entertainment evah!
I've been using this more and more lately after avoiding it for years.
onecaliberal
(32,824 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Z_California
(650 posts)I really can't believe how inept, dishonest, and tone deaf these guys are.
I'm sure insulting everyone's intelligence will get you votes. Another epic fucking fail.
Come Wednesday, HRC would be well advised to clean house and bring some individuals in who have been outside the bubble and can bring some perspective. This is a sad sad campaign. If she is nominated our only hope is the opposing campaign is equally inept. Not a good bet.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)In history?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)namely, what a bunch of doody-heads Sanders supporters are!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)OMG - That's rich. From that bastion of ethical campaigning.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And it works both ways.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Change you can believe in was intended to frame the argument along the character fault line, and this is where we can and must win this fight. We cannot let Clinton especially blur the lines on who is the genuine agent of change in this election.
The reason Clinton cant be trusted or believed when it comes to change is that she represents, to a great degree, the three sources of discontent formulated in our premise.
Shes driven by political calculation not conviction, regularly backing away and shifting positions on issues ranging from war, to Social Security, to trade, to reform.
She embodies trench warfare vs. Republicans, and is consumed with beating them rather than unifying the country and building consensus to get things done.
She prides herself on working the system, not changing itrebuffing reforms on everything from lobbyist donations to budget earmarks.
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Hillary learned a lot of lessons from the 2007-2008 battle with Obama. In fact, one of the first decisions she made this time around was to hire Joel Benenson, the pollster who helped write the memo on how to beat her.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton
So If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em. ?
I understand highlighting contrasts with one's opponent but it is sad that Team Clinton has chosen to try and distort Sanders' positions in their desperation to hold back the tide.
Considering that Benenson is a pollster, he may know how well Sanders' positions are favored over Clinton's. He can't change Clinton's positions so they change Bernie's. Disgusting.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But, when one considers how dreadful Bernie's national poll numbers are, and that Hillary has an embarrassment of riches with regard to her union endorsements, and political endorsements from governors, senators and congresspersons ... well ... I guess it makes sense that the Sanders campaign might be feeling a little frustrated about right now. I know it's just human nature and all, but often times, someone's frustration manifests itself in ways that aren't necessarily productive.
Note to Jury: It was the Clinton spokesperson who made those comments. I did not make those comments. What I did say is that the spokesperson's observations were interesting and that I haven't yet formed an opinion on whether or not I agree with the spokesperson. I also offered a brief analysis regarding the possible underlying reasons that make have caused the spokesperson to reach their stated conclusions about Bernie's campaign. No candidate or candidate's supporters were smeared or attacked or insulted.
cali
(114,904 posts)Z_California
(650 posts)The HRC campaign is so over the top insulting that I believe they help my candidate in the primaries.
Does a rec indicate approval of the content? Help me with this fellow Berniebros.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And a sure sign the wheels are coming off over at Camp Weather vane.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Pay no attention to the e-mails on the private server.
Even though you or I would go to jail for such a violation without thought.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)draa
(975 posts)Projection is the GOP's stock and trade. It doesn't work but hey, can't blame an idiot for trying.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)applegrove
(118,616 posts)Just paid gop trolls whose bosses don't want to face Hillary in the general.
ypsfonos
(144 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)everyone knows the victor get to write history.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)I realize that with Clinton supporters we must curve our expectations, but that quote was so out of bounce that it gave me an outer body experience.
Sadly, we must now take it for granite that Clinton's cronies will always try to make Sanders the escape goat for their own rampant negativity.
For all intensive purposes, this advisor cut off his nose despite his face. Hopefully, this will be their death nail.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...that not going negative means Bernie should be running positive ads about Hillary.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)She's not on our side. Feel the Bern!!!
cali
(114,904 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)LOL!
Now you know what it looks like when vampires attack sunlight.