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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:24 PM

Paul Krugman Misunderstands Bernie Sanders by Mark Weisbrot, Center for Economic and Politics

A very even-handed article expressing disappointment and puzzlement over Krugman's recent writings against Bernie Sanders.

I have to say it is puzzling to see Paul Krugman supporting Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders, at least to people who read his writings. Krugman has repeatedly expressed more actual contempt for what Sanders calls "the billionaire class" than Sanders himself has, citing research showing that rich people are "less likely to exhibit empathy, less likely to respect norms and even laws, more likely to cheat, than those occupying lower rungs on the economic ladder." Krugman's positions on fiscal policy, Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, and most economic issues that he writes and cares about are considerably closer to those of Sanders than of Clinton. Most journalists covering the campaign also recognize that Sanders has pushed Clinton to adopt more progressive positions such as a surtax on incomes over $5 million; or her opposition to the Trans Pacific Partnership, which the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce just forecast will likely disappear sometime between now and her presidency if she gets there.

Furthermore, Krugman is smart enough to know that someone who gets millions of dollars from Wall Street and the plutocracy is less likely to implement policies that these donors don't like, than someone who owes them nothing.

Even on foreign policy, which Krugman does not write about that often, he is much closer to Sanders and the left of the Democratic party than he is to Clinton. Krugman was the only writer at the New York Times to point out, correctly in my view, that part of the motivation for the build-up to the Iraq war was to help the Republicans win the 2002 congressional elections. In his book, "The Conscience of a Liberal," he explains how this kind of U.S. foreign policy hurts Americans by allowing the right to move the political debate away from domestic issues in which the majority have a big stake. And yet he gives Hillary Clinton a pass for voting for the Iraq War (and defending her vote for 12 years).

As others have noted, members of Congress had access to U.S. intelligence files that contradicted the Bush administration's justifications for the war, and some of them looked at the intelligence and voted "no." Twenty-one of 50 Democratic senators voted no. This was a war that took thousands of American lives and killed about a million Iraqis, and as President Obama has noted, was responsible for the creation of ISIS. It has destabilized the Middle East into a state of permanent warfare. But Clinton has also shown by her recent bellicose speech on Iran that she is more than ready for another unnecessary war. Her foreign policy leanings are considerably to the right of many mainstream Democratic leaders, including President Obama himself and Secretary of State John Kerry.

In his latest New York Times column, Krugman argues that Sanders has a flawed analysis of American politics, and contrasts it to that of Clinton:

To oversimplify a bit -- but only, I think, a bit -- the Sanders view is that money is the root of all evil. Or more specifically, the corrupting influence of big money, of the 1 percent and the corporate elite, is the overarching source of the political ugliness we see all around us.

The Clinton view, on the other hand, seems to be that money is the root of some evil, maybe a lot of evil, but it isn't the whole story. Instead, racism, sexism and other forms of prejudice are powerful forces in their own right. This may not seem like a very big difference -- both candidates oppose prejudice, both want to reduce economic inequality. But it matters for political strategy.

I don't question Krugman's sincerity, but I think this is a serious misunderstanding of Sanders' views as compared to Clinton's. Sanders is quite intelligent and has been involved in politics for more than 40 years. He understands very well the roles of "racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice" in American society and politics. Here is what he said Thursday on MSNBC:

I think there is not widespread understanding in the white community of what it is like to be Black in America today, especially a Black male; when we know that something like one out of four African-American males born today stand a likelihood of ending up in prison. That is a tragedy that is beyond comprehension. When we know that our jails - we have more people in jail than any other country - are disproportionately Black and Latino, that is a major crisis. When we know that the Black and white communities do marijuana at about equal rates, and yet four times more Blacks are arrested for marijuana, what does that tell you? What does it tell you that Blacks are much more likely to be stopped by police officers for traffic violations than whites? So we got some serious problems in this country with institutional racism, and a broken criminal justice system, and that will be a major priority for a Sanders administration.

I have never heard anything like this from Hillary Clinton and I doubt that we will hear something like it on the campaign trail.

I raise these points with great respect for Krugman, who has contributed more than anyone in the United States to improving the debate over some crucial economic issues, and also helped advance the political debate. I am sorry that some on the left have attacked him and his motivation. I am quite sure that he is not looking for any political gain; when more than 250,000 people signed a petition for him to be appointed Treasury Secretary, he immediately and flatly refused. He is also one of the few prominent writers on economic and political issues who has, on a number of occasions, admitted when he was mistaken, and forthrightly changed his position. I hope that he will reconsider his ideas in this case.


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Reply Paul Krugman Misunderstands Bernie Sanders by Mark Weisbrot, Center for Economic and Politics (Original post)
Nanjeanne Jan 2016 OP
Doctor_J Jan 2016 #1
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #2
Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #3
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #4
mountain grammy Jan 2016 #5
SoapBox Jan 2016 #6
John Poet Jan 2016 #7
pnwmom Jan 2016 #8
Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #12
FairWinds Jan 2016 #9
Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #10
FairWinds Jan 2016 #13
Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #11

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:36 PM

1. Krugman's jumped the shark. He no longer pretends to be a liberal, or an honest economist

 

Nothing more than a Clinton campaign operative.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:52 PM

2. K&R - Although I think Krugman may be rethinking whether he'd like to be Sec. of Treasury

 

But that's just me.

I'm glad people in the know are coming out of the woodwork to challenge Krugman's odd shift
to the right of late, and his inexplicable animosity towards Bernie.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:14 PM

3. There was a time when Bernie mentioned wanting people like Krugman

And Reich in his administration.

Would be funny if Sanders wins it all and Krugman bet on the wrong horse!

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:37 PM

4. That would be sweet

 

wonder if he'll start hanging his tune during the GR, after Bernie wins the primary.

I'd almost take bet on it. "Loyal" to the Dem. party and such.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:09 AM

5. Yes it will. Be funny,indeed.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:16 AM

6. He confirms that he is part of the

Entrenched Establish crowd.

Time has come for their power to end.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:19 AM

7. I was also taken aback by Krugman's late article.

 

He has certainly deflated his standing with me. I'll have to take anything he ever publishes again with a few hundred pounds of salt.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:25 AM

8. Maybe since he respects Krugman so much, he should pay more attention

to the excellent logic of what Krugman is saying.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:01 AM

12. I think Weisbrots credentials are good enough for him to think for himself


That he respects Krugman is part of his reason for his disappointment.

Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy. He has a PhD in Economics so I'm sure he can analyze what Krugman is writing and draw his own conclusions.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:37 AM

9. It is really immature to leap to the conclusion . .

 

that anyone with whom you disagree is suddenly a bad person.

The Krugman is wrong this time - so what? We are all wrong sometimes.

Sometimes DU acts more like a lynch mob than a discussion forum.

Jeebus, I hope you don't manage your family disagreements the same way.
If so, you're gonna have a very small family in no time at all.

Veterans For Peace

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:47 AM

10. What the hell?

My family? A bad person? Lynch mobs?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not even sure you do. Are you in the wrong thread?

I posted an article by a policy advocate wondering why Krugman has apparently made the decision to knock someone who's policies he previously had sided with. Even the writer of the article was extremely kind in his appreciation got Krugman's earlier writings.

You need to take a deep breath.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:10 AM

13. I was referring to the commenters, not you . .

 

stuff like this . .

"Krugman's jumped the shark. He no longer pretends to be a liberal, or an honest economist"

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:52 AM

11. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Nanjeanne.

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