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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:36 AM Jan 2016

Sanders running the most negative campaign ever?

Hillary Clinton’s surrogates keep making the most ridiculous claims.
Today, Joel Benenson, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, made the far-out assertion that Bernie Sanders is running the
“most negative campaign of any Democratic presidential candidate in a presidential primary season.”

Yesterday, Sanders put out an ad that criticizes Wall Street campaign contributions and speaking fees, but doesn’t directly refer to Clinton ...

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128718/hillary-clintons-surrogates-keep-making-ridiculous-claims

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Sanders running the most negative campaign ever? (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 OP
Would be funny Mike__M Jan 2016 #1
They are simply... deathrind Jan 2016 #2
I would say he's running the most ... Tortmaster Jan 2016 #3
Passive-aggressive is the best murielm99 Jan 2016 #4
Lol. What nonsense. cali Jan 2016 #5
Guess they've forgotten all about Hillary's 2008 campaign! John Poet Jan 2016 #6
I haven't, it's a matter of record: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #8
"I think he should hit her a lot harder and quit this softball crap" left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #10
"The wicked flee when no one pursues..." 99Forever Jan 2016 #7
Sometimes the truth hurts madokie Jan 2016 #9
No. Punkingal Jan 2016 #11
These claims are part of Benenson's strategy GreatGazoo Jan 2016 #12

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
1. Would be funny
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:48 AM
Jan 2016

All this stuff would be funny if it was coming from the clown car.
It's like her team is trying to put The Onion out of business.
We'll soon see if it's effective.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
2. They are simply...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:50 AM
Jan 2016

Throwing anything and everything against the wall in the hope that it sticks and they are still in first gear...if Bernie wins Iowa it is going to get much worse. Her campaign went to new lows in 2008 against then Senator Obama.

She went in to this thinking it was "her turn" to be the nominee and she was terribly mistaken in that assumption.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
3. I would say he's running the most ...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:21 AM
Jan 2016

... passive-aggressive campaign in history. Moreover, it may be the most negative campaign if you just count the sheer number of people and institutions that he and his supporters have thrown under the bus, including Planned Parenthood, NARAL, Member of Congress John Lewis, the DNC, Paul Krugman, Legislators Nancy Pelosi and Sherrod Brown, Cecile Richards, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ezra Klein, former President Bill Clinton, President Barack Obama, Lily Ledbetter, the entire #BlackRightsMovement (until they were for it), former Legislator Tom Harkin, Human Rights Campaign, the Fund for Feminist Majority, Senator Al Franken, SEIU and on and on.

Going by the numbers, Senator Sanders' negativism is historic. So he's got that going for him.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
6. Guess they've forgotten all about Hillary's 2008 campaign!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie doesn't even come close to that.


I'm not even down with Bernie's "no negative commercials" thing.

I think he should hit her a lot harder and quit this softball crap.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. I haven't, it's a matter of record:
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jan 2016
Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear
Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Monday 25 February 2008



Barack Obama, right, is dressed as a Somali elder by Sheikh Mahmed Hassan, left, during his visit to Wajir in northeastern Kenya, near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia

Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.

Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.

Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton


Obama Trounces Clintons’ Racist, Entitled S.C. Campaign
Posted: January 27, 2008
Matthew Rothschild

The trouncing that Hillary Clinton got in South Carolina proved that the racist and entitled campaign that the Clintons ran there backfired.

The Clinton campaign kept saying, “He’s black, black, black,” as author and South Carolina activist Kevin Alexander Gray pointed out on Jesse Jackson’s “Keep Hope Alive” program Sunday morning. And Bill Clinton used coded language, like the “old okie-dokie,” which served to remind whites of Obama’s blackness, Gray added. That's like saying don’t fall for the old “shuck and jive.”

And speaking of “shuck and jive,” that’s exactly the phrase Andrew Cuomo used to disparage Obama in New Hampshire, saying he can’t use that “shuck and jive” at press conferences.

Obama’s black, get it.

Or Bob Kerrey, another Clinton supporter, saying, “I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim,” and that he went to school in a madrassa, as Bob Herbert noted in The New York Times. Kerrey later apologized, Herbert added, as did Andrew Young, for saying, “Bill is every bit as black as Barack. He’s probably gone with more black women than Barack.”

Or take Bill Clinton's ludicrous comment that Hillary is "stronger than Nelson Mandela." (The not-so-subtle dig being that she's not only stronger than that black man Obama, she's stronger than the strongest black man on the face of the Earth.)

To say nothing of the nonsense about Clinton being the first black President, which Obama was forced to address in the CNN debate, and which Bill Clinton seems to revel in.

(Racist tactics are nothing new for Bill Clinton. After he all, he used the “Sister Souljah” comment to wink at the white base in 1992, and he made a point to hustle back to Arkansas during that campaign just so he could execute a mentally retarded black man named Rickie Ray Rector.)

And sure enough, after the embarrassing loss, the Clinton campaign tried to dismiss the results by stressing the black vote that Obama got and by mentioning that Jesse Jackson had won South Carolina in 1988, as well.

http://progressive.org/news/2008/01/5995/obama-trounces-clintons%E2%80%99-racist-entitled-sc-campaign


Hillary Clinton needs to address the racist undertones of her 2008 campaign
Ryan Cooper
July 23, 2015

McKesson is right to be suspicious. Hillary Clinton's record on race is not great. If she wishes to earn some trust on issues of racial justice, a good place to start would be with the distinctly racist undertones of her 2008 campaign against Barack Obama.

As the first primaries got underway in 2008, and Obama began to slowly pull ahead, the Clinton camp resorted to increasingly blatant race- and Muslim-baiting. It started in February, when Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam, endorsed Obama in a sermon. In a debate a couple days later, moderator Tim Russert repeatedly pressed Obama on the issue, who responded with repeated reassurances that he did not ask for the endorsement, did not accept it, and in fact was not a deranged anti-Semite. That wasn't enough for Clinton, who demanded that Obama "denounce" Farrakhan, which he did.

About the same time, a picture of Obama in traditional Somali garb (from an official trip) then appeared on the Drudge Report, and Matt Drudge claimed he got it from the Clinton campaign. After stonewalling on the origin question, the campaign later claimed it had nothing to do with it. A Clinton flack then went on MSNBC and argued that Obama should not be ashamed to appear in "his native clothing, in the clothing of his country."

Later, a media firestorm blew up when it was discovered that Obama's Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright once delivered a sermon containing the words "God damn America." In response, Obama gave a deft, nuanced speech on racial issues, but Clinton kept the issue alive by insisting she would have long ago denounced the man.

The late Michael Hastings, who covered Clinton's campaign, described one instance of this strategy on the ground:

[Clinton supporter] Buffenbarger launched into a rant in which he compared Obama to Muhammad Ali, the best-known black American convert to Islam after Malcolm X. "But brothers and sisters," he said, "I've seen Ali in action. He could rope-a-dope with Foreman inside the ring. He could go toe-to-toe with Liston inside the ring. He could get his jaw broken by Norton and keep fighting inside the ring. But Barack Obama is no Muhammad Ali." The cunning racism of the attack actually made my heart start to beat fast and my ears start to ring. For the first time on the campaign trail, I felt completely outraged. I kept thinking, "Am I misreading this?" But there was no way, if you were in that room, to think it was anything other than what it was. [GQ]

Then there was Bill Clinton comparing Obama's campaign to that of Jesse Jackson's unsuccessful run in 1988. The capstone came in May, when Hillary Clinton started openly boasting about her superior support from white voters.

The effort was not so blatant as George H.W. Bush's Willie Horton ad, but the attempt to play on racist attitudes through constant repetition and association was unmistakable — in addition to playing into right-wing conspiracy theories that Obama is a secret Muslim who was born in Africa. It's likely why in West Virginia — a state so racist that some guy in a Texas prison got 40 percent of the Democratic primary vote in 2012 — Clinton won a smashing victory.

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/hillary-clinton-needs-address-racist-undertones-2008-campaign



Then there was this lovely speech from Hillary:




madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. Sometimes the truth hurts
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jan 2016

and when the shoe fits wear it

both come to mind.

Hillary is by contrast actually running a very dirty campaign as she did against Obama in '08

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. These claims are part of Benenson's strategy
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jan 2016

Much of which is laid out here (just substitute Sanders for Obama and flip Benenson to working for HRC because he is now):

Attacking Clinton as “driven by politics, not conviction” and arguing that she “puts preserving political power ahead of reliable principles or progress for the American people” was a tricky for Obama. After all, if he represented a new way of doing politics, he couldn’t sound like a traditional politician on the attack.

“Frequently, in campaigns, when we say ‘contrast,’ it’s a euphemism for a frontal attack,” Grisolano explained. “You can see in the memo, and this is important about the constraints that the message put on us, because if you are the unity guy you can’t come out with a crowbar against your opponent. We had to show we were different, but do it in a way that wasn’t as direct as most campaigns do.”

In the memo, Obama was counselled to attack Clinton subtly but not “so subtly or obtusely that the press doesn’t write about them and the voters don’t understand that we’re talking about HRC.” Obama agreed with the strategy. “One thing I recall was that he was willing to draw contrasts with Hillary but was very intent on doing it in ways with which he felt comfortable,” Axelrod told me.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton

So now that Benenson is on the other side he still believes that overt attacks on her are counter productive. Sanders ad didn't name Clinton, just as Obama did not say overtly but simply implied "Clinton: Change you can't believe in" in 2008 but since Benenson thinks it would be a mistake to say that overtly team Clinton is claiming that Sanders did.
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