2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf your preferred candidate does not get the nomination, do you expect to vote in November
for the person that your preferred candidate endorses? I certainly do. If you respect someone enough that they are your preferred candidate, I would think that their endorsement would carry a lot of weight with you.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I will vote for the Democratic candidate whether the other primary candidate endorses or not. I am a Democrat. I vote for Democrats for all offices.
revbones
(3,660 posts)I'm not on team blue because I dislike the color red: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511373850
revbones
(3,660 posts)That I can think for myself rather than be a sheep. My vote has to be earned.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)blm
(113,039 posts)Your mileage may vary greatly with Sanders and also with my fellow Sanders supporters in the long run.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)blm
(113,039 posts).
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)blm
(113,039 posts).to no one but the vote suppressors, the homophobes, the religious fanatics, the privatization profiteers, the racists, the global fascists, et al.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)We better defeat her, first
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)blm
(113,039 posts)And I don't believe in the stupidity of your position to not vote for the Dem nominee. Yours is the Ayn Rand solution - do what feels good for you even if millions of others will be hurt by it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And at this point in time I think people should be able to answer this honestly without repercussion from DU. I reserve the right to call them an ass.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)No Republicans Allowed!!!
PJMcK
(22,025 posts)Straight Democratic in all races.
Encourage everyone you know to vote!
dragonfly301
(399 posts)celebrity endorsements don't have much sway with me.
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)And I have never based my vote on what somebody tells me I should do.
All endorsements are bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
Do you need somebody to tell you how to vote? That's pretty sad.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)for myself, and don't need to rely on anyone else to tell me what to do.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)I think for myself. Personally I think anyone who votes based on endorsements is foolish
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)me. I make up my own mind based on my values.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Down ticket races are just as important as President.
If we had been focusing on our back bench more we wouldn't be in this shitty position right now.
dem in texas
(2,673 posts)If the Democratic candidate is a crook or a girl-friend/wife beater, I will leave that slot blank, otherwise I vote Democrat on everything and in every election, no matter how minor.
Now I will get my box and have my say. When I was 21, married with two young children and very poor, I had to save from grocery money in order to be able to pay the poll tax so I could vote for the first time. It was a thrill for me when I cast my first vote, I think it was in 1962 Anyway, I always vote and serve on jury duty when called. These two rights are so important and you as a voter need to keep that in mind.
I am a history lover and always get a thrill reading about the American revolution and how those so called radicals stood up to the Brits, who viewed the 13 colonies as their cash cow. Also remember all the people who have fought and given their lives to protect our country and our rights. That should be enough to make you want to get in your car and drive to the polls to cast your vote, even if you are not happy with the candidate..
Hope you have early voting like we do here in Texas, it is the next best thing to sliced bread!
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)I am a Democrat and unless the Democrat is far far away from the tenants of the Party, I will vote Democrat. If they were to run someone totally outside the party plans and ideas,party platform, or a bigot, or someone who appears to undermine the Constitution, or the country, then I would not vote for that Democrat.
If Donald Trump were running on the Democratic ticket I would not vote for him. But I might try to start a write in campaign naming a TRUE democrat to beat him. It would be a lot easier task today with the internet. Frankly, I don't understand why the Republicans have not done that after examining the talking points of their dim candidates.
lapfog_1
(29,198 posts)That said, my motives matter to me...
If my now preferred candidate is nominated, I am voting FOR them, if the other candidate wins, I am voting AGAINST the republican candidate as the lesser of two evils.
Why does this matter? Because I won't be sending money to the lesser of two evils... I won't be calling anyone to ask for them to support the nominee, I won't be telling my friends that they should vote for the Democrat.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)rather than the lesser evil, i.e., for the sake of others. Feels less negative that way.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...should he win. They have nothing to lose. All of his policies are further left than hers, and his position on foreign policy is "lead with strength, not force" which most agree with.
Sanders supporters have it rougher should Clinton be the nominee and much to lose. Even if Bernie were to endorse Hillary, which I think he would given who he is, I would have a hard time with it and it isn't getting easier as the days go by.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)HARD for Bernie supporters to imagine voting for Clinton..."and it isn't getting any easier as the days go by..." ditto on that.
I would feel sick at having to vote for Clinton. I don't hate her as a person--she did what she had to do in a sick corrupted system. She's as flawed as the system. If not Hillary, it would be someone else like her we'd be asked to support. All the "good things" she has done don't make up for her record on the issues that matter to me.
There are a lot of days left to see what happens.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But loyalty oaths suck. I'm sticking with that.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I'm assuming the conventional wisdom regarding today is correct, and Sanders will be out of it by tomorrow. I'm also assuming Clinton will run a little to the right, but not too far. I will not vote for a Democrat who caves in to the right wing and chases their votes all over the political landscape. So my vote is Hillary's to lose. She has it right now.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)All other considerations, endorsements and rationales are immaterial.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)No matter who gets the Democratic nomination. Not voting only elects GOTP'ers.
RealAmericanDem
(221 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)still_one
(92,115 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)democrank
(11,092 posts)but as a matter of conscience, not for anyone who voted for the Iraq War or who supports the death penalty.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Don't know. It will take a lot of convincing. I didn't like Clinton in 2008 and I like her a lot less now. if the American public needs a good kick in the teeth to see how the corporatist shill candidates in both parties have played them, so be it.
Most endorsements aren't worth 2¢ to me.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I will say this much, Senator Joe: I have never voted for President based upon an endorsement and I very much doubt I ever will. I find both amusing and bemusing the suggestion that, because I want someone to be President, I also want him to direct any aspect of my life. I'm not a Stepford sheeple.
Pardon me if I don't thank you for asking.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Should Hillary not get the nomination, I expect to vote for the person she endorses for November. Your hostility confuses me.
merrily
(45,251 posts)and/or projections spike. Also sheer coincidence that no one posts them but Hillary's supporters (unless a Bernie supporter is mirroring).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511381332
Mine wasn't the first post of its kind on this thread. Those who posted before me didn't confuse you?
BTW, don't conflate exposing or humor or mocking with hostility.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Either candidate can still win this thing.
Hillary Clinton is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Bettie
(16,083 posts)Though, to be honest, there have been several Clinton people right here on DU who have said that Sanders supporters are neither needed nor wanted.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I acknowledge that my candidate can make mistakes...and endorsing a corporatist would be one of them. If we were on speaking terms, I'd chide him for "going along to get along" and move on.
But Hillary remains what she is: a neoliberal with no honest commitment to my key progressive issues. My state's not remotely in play, so I have the luxury of not caring one bit if she's the slightly-less-shitty choice. My GE choice is rendered irrelevant by the Electoral College. I'll vote (or not vote, in terms of the presidential slot) as my conscience dictates.
But the primary isn't over. Despite the huge momentum advantage of all these early conservative state primaries, Hillary hasn't won yet.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It's what I always do because I always back a loser in the primaries. For once my preferred horse is leading. Quite confusing.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)And in pure Ari Fleisure mode take down what is said now.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I doubt I'll bother to hang around to witness (and probably earn my own tombstone). The Hillary cabal will be making sure this is no longer a progressive-friendly site.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)This is not a loyalty oath.
It is enlightened self interest.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I mean, I think Trump is fun and all but I don't want a crazy person at the helm.
He reminds me of Kim Jung Un.
michaz
(1,352 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)...presuming that Dr. Jill Stein is on the ballot in California, where I live.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)I wonde
Svafa
(594 posts)for congressional and local candidates. I am currently weighing my options on how I will vote with respect to the presidential candidates.
Logical
(22,457 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Firmly supporting your allegations with little but the zeal of the faithful and passionate.
(I'm using words as simplistic as possible to prevent any further child-like emails from you written in truncated petulance... oops-- which one got you this time? 'Truncated' or 'petulance'?)
Logical
(22,457 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)But while you will be blaming voters, the rest of us will be blaming Hillary's supporters who browbeat the soul out of the Democratic Party.
Here is your slogan.
Vote Hillary. She's not a Republican (anymore).
Gee, what an inspiring campaign.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)My gut instinct is at war with the part of me that screams to sell out because it's slim margins better than Trump. All that is great for lyric writing, but my gut instinct keeps screaming to go down fighting, or what's the point?
I'm too fucking young for existential crises.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Jon Ace
(243 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If Hillary wins the nomination and Bernie endorses her, I'll respect his opinion, consider it, and then vote for the most progressive candidate on my ballot.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I vote based on policy. Not on what other people say about a candidate.
MrsKirkley
(180 posts)Bernie Sanders wants to expand Medicare, which would get rid of those high deductibles many low income full time workers can't afford. Remember, cost sharing subsidies that lower deductibles aren't available to low income full time workers because they are offered health insurance through their employers. Deductibles of employer provided health insurance are NOT income based, yet being offered health insurance through an employer makes workers ineligible for subsidies. Deductibles aren't even a factor in the affordability test. Bernie Sanders is also against free trade deals that send jobs overseas and destroy the US economy. If Bernie Sanders doesn't win, I have to choose between not voting (which will help Trump), and voting for someone who will keep a health care law that does little to help low income full time workers. At least the law makes denials over pre-existing conditions illegal. Because I don't want to see the return of pre-existing conditions, I will vote for Hillary Clinton if Bernie Sanders doesn't win. I like Hillary Clinton, but I wish she wanted to expand Medicare and get us out of these free trade agreements.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)how quaint.
casperthegm
(643 posts)to the party then you're going to end up disappointed. My ideals align themselves strongly with the democratic party. That said, we had a democratic congressman down here in NC a number of years ago who faced possible indictment and had a poor voting record. Should I have been expected to vote for him?
He was later indicted and went to jail btw.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)I don't need some politician, multi- millionaire, or Hollywood big name to tell me what is in my best interest.
Yes, I will be voting in November, regardless of who is the candidate.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)But for now, I will support Bernie.😀😀😀
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Any Dem is better than anyone the GOP has to offer.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)And it will not be Trump or Hillary.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the question will be, do you want a trump (or any conservative) sitting in the whitehouse with his finger sitting "on the button".....? America would be so very different today if nader supporters cared more for their country, then their own "self-interest"....8 yrs of bush/cheney was brought to america because of that selfish "voting my principles" bullcrap
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I'll be voting, and I'll be voting for the Democratic candidate.
Anything less that that is simply not acceptable for discussion on this board.
longship
(40,416 posts)Or somebody who thinks it is all about them and not the best thing for the country no matter if one does not gets ones way.
Politics is, and always has been about compromise.
In the meantime, I am going to vote for Bernie in the MI primary next Tuesday and will unhesitatingly vote for the November Democratic Party nominee.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... and, I will vote for the Democratic candidate whoever he or she may be.
The choices are too stark and the consequences too dire to anything else.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)It's a little early to have this discussion.
Vinca
(50,253 posts)The thought of voting for Hillary almost makes me physically ill, but if it has to be done to save the country from Trump, it has to be done.
intheozone
(1,102 posts)Not voting for the Dem is equal to voting for the Republican and I could not do that. No person in their right mind should do that.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)For instance, he seems to like Clinton a lot better than I do.