2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary supporters - name 1 policy reason you are supporting Hillary other than her experience.
I am curious about actual policies.
We know that she has tons of time in government; we know that having the first woman president would be amazing.... aside from all that - what is your #1 policy issue that makes you support Hillary over Bernie.
Going to ask the same question to Bernie supporters. This is about Hillary only. Not about Bernie.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)doesnt mean we cant see you over there.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280130871
jillan
(39,451 posts)DUH!
pkdu
(3,977 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)
supporters try to convince people she's against. Since Sanders will get zero support from GOPers, and some Democrats in conservative areas, there is no way he can achieve what he is promising if he were to somehow get elected. Take the ACA -- what Sanders supports is more likely to lead to the repeal of ACA and an inadequate voucher system.
I believe Clinton will get us there faster.
You asked.
I want what you're smoking.
DAMN!
cleopotrick
(79 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Clinton, as we post.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)YCHDT
(962 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)They didn't give her millions of dollars so she could "reform" them. If anyone believes that they did, they shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision.
seaotter
(576 posts)It shows great judgment.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, workers rights, ACA, environment, global warming, wall street reform, national security.
Also, the fact she will build on the progress of the past 8 years rather than tear it down and start over.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What Elizabeth Warren wrote:
Mrs. Clinton thrust her hand forward. "You must be Professor Warren. I read your op-ed in the New York Times about women and bankruptcy, and I want to talk with you." A few weeks earlier I had written a column that sharply criticized a bill making its way through Congress that proposed to undercut bankruptcy protections for middle-class families in financial trouble. Before I could respond, Mrs. Clinton snapped her head sharply to the side and called to no one in particular, "Where's lunch? I'm hungry."
We were ushered to a small office with cracked leatherette chairs, carefully set out with lunch for the First Lady -- half a hamburger, French fries, Diet Coke -- and an iced tea for me. The small army of aides and security agents were left behind in the hallway; there were just the two of us in the tiny room.
Before she had taken a single bite of her hamburger, Mrs. Clinton tore into the business at hand: "I have two questions for you: How are women affected by the bankruptcy laws, and how did a woman get to be a chaired professor at Harvard Law School?"
For the next twenty-five minutes, I pounded Mrs. Clinton with graphs, charts, and projections. She ate fast and asked questions even faster. I have taught bankruptcy law to thousands of students -- some of them among the brightest in the country -- but I never saw one like Mrs. Clinton. Impatient, lightning-quick, and interested in all the nuances. In just half an hour, she went from knowing almost nothing about the bankruptcy system to grasping the counterintuitive twist that single mothers were helped when their ex-husbands filed bankruptcy because these men could discharge credit card debts and use the money to catch up on their child support. I explained to Mrs. Clinton how the pending bankruptcy bill would effectively dismantle bankruptcy protections for families, forcing single mothers to compete with legions of credit card bill collectors for an ex-husband's income and making it more difficult for families to hold on to their homes.
At the end of our discussion, Mrs. Clinton stood up and said, "Well, I'm convinced. It is our job to stop that awful bill. You help me, and I'll help you." We talked university politics for a bit, then walked outside. As we stepped through the door, she grabbed me by the shoulder, turned me around for the obligatory photograph, shook my hand again, and headed off with her people.
-- The Cement Life Raft
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/more/cement.html
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Which of her policies do you like better than Bernie's, though?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Just kidding. I don't like charter schools.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)include the portion that immediately follows where she essentially calls her a hypocrite and is beholden to Wall St.
Clinton is a brilliant mind. No question. Please don't deal in half truths.
Otherwise your story reads like this:
April 14, 1865- Act I of "Our American Cousin Was Great!"
You must've missed this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511379020
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)"Mrs. Clinton's newfound opposition to the bankruptcy bill surprised me. Given her legal training and her devotion to women's causes, I had certainly expected her to grasp the importance of the issue. But President Clinton's staff had been quietly supporting the bankruptcy bill for several months. Bill Clinton wanted to show that he and other "New Democrats" could play ball with business interests, and the major banks were lobbying hard for changes in the bankruptcy laws. I had expected that it would take a lot more than thirty minutes to convince Hillary Clinton to depart from the position widely rumored to be supported by her husband.
But Mrs. Clinton stayed firm in her fight against "that awful bill." She was convinced that the bill was "unfair to women and children," and she intended to stand by her principles, even if it cost some Democratic party candidates campaign contributions. Over the ensuing months, she was true to her word. With her strong support, the Democrats slowed the bill's passage through Congress. When Congress finally passed the bill in October 2000, President Clinton vetoed it. The following summer, an aide explained to me the abrupt about-face: "A couple of days after Mrs. Clinton met with you, we changed sides [on the bankruptcy bill] so fast that you could see skid marks in the hallways of the White House." Thanks to Mrs. Clinton, families still had one financial refuge left -- at least for the moment.
But the story doesn't end there. The banking lobbyists were persistent. President Clinton was on his way out, and credit card giant MBNA emerged as the single biggest contributors to President Bush's campaign. In the spring of 2001, the bankruptcy bill was reintroduced in the Senate, essentially unchanged from the version President Clinton had vetoed the previous year.
This time freshman Senator Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the bill.
Had the bill been transformed to get rid of all those awful provisions that had so concerned First Lady Hillary Clinton? No. The bill was essentially the same, but Hillary Rodham Clinton was not. As First Lady, Mrs. Clinton had been persuaded that the bill was bad for families, and she was willing to fight for her beliefs. Her husband was a lame duck at the time he vetoed the bill; he could afford to forgo future campaign contributions. As New York's newest senator, however, it seems that Hillary Clinton could not afford such a principled position. Campaigns cost money, and that money wasn't coming from families in financial trouble. Senator Clinton received $140,000 in campaign contributions from banking industry executives in a single year, making her one of the top two recipients in the Senate. Big banks were now part of Senator Clinton's constituency. She wanted their support, and they wanted hers -- including a vote in favor of "that awful bill.""
C'mn oseriously - do you honestly think people are stupid and haven't watched the video of this?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You also must've missed this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511379020
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)i don't read every post on the board. so why post an incomplete version now?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You make me feel ashamed, actually.
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incidentally first time i've ever used a smilie in a post...
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)On later? Weathervaning is not a reason to support her.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)I'm not a Bernie supporter and you're the one who said Hillary would "improve" the ACA. What is the plan for that?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)if my fellow Sandernistas could pipe down for five seconds. You (not OP, I mean generally) can't ask someone why they support a candidate if it's simply bait to tell them they're fools.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)and I am genuinely curious to hear people's reasons for voting for Hillary. Besides, I don't think it sways anyone towards Bernie for us to jump all over people for supporting Hillary. Quite the opposite.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I'm not sure why many people would contribute to this thread since nearly everyone who has is getting attacked.
However, I have quite a thick skin and I am feeling very positive about Hillary's campaign today, so if you feel you must attack me, have at it.
Continuing Obama's good progress is first on the list, most especially the ACA.
Protecting women's rights is two.
And a firm foreign policy is three. The US will be one of a coalition who, I fear, will simply be forced into more intervention in Syria before more and more innocent people are slaughtered, and I want a strong, experienced hand at the tiller. Someone who has worked with all of the pertinent foreign leaders in the past who will make good decisions about the way forward.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for the last one if anything, but as someone who lives in Europe, I see the number of desperate people who are fleeing that country on a daily basis and traveling with their infant children on foot across the whole of a continent, preferring to live in tent cities and risk dangerous water crossings rather than face the atrocities there.
I could give you a hundred more reasons why I support Hillary, but the biggest one is that she's a brilliant, strong champion of a woman and I will be proud to the point of tears to watch her be sworn in as our first woman President.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Clinton introduces legislation while Sanders just VOTES on it for the most part even though he has been a Government official for much longer than she has. She has rolled her sleeves up and gotten more done.
You asked for ONE example here is mine.
http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/
The policy issue is she works hard on all issues while Sanders seems to only vote on them for the most part.
increasing taxes on me.