2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBoston Magazine now reporting on what is going on in New Bedford Mass
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http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-massachusetts-voting-laws/Did Bill Clinton, Mayor Walsh Break Massachusetts Voting Laws for Hillary?
Depends on your definition of campaign materials.
Adam Reilly @reillyadam
If I read the pool report right, @hillaryclinton's #1 surrogate--the former POTUS--worked Holy Name for 44 minutes. https://twitter.com/conoryunits/status/704765886205468672
1:33 PM - 1 Mar 2016
Adam Vaccaro ✔ @adamtvaccaro
Spokesman in Sec. of state's office says it has reached out to remind campaign of the rule. https://twitter.com/reillyadam/status/704745947499257856
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Adam Vaccaro ✔ @adamtvaccaro
Asked whether his presence constitutes campaigning: "He's a well known person. And he's a spouse of a candidate. That should answer the ?."
12:23 PM - 1 Mar 2016
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Within 150 feet of a polling place no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election, the text reads. In addition, campaign operatives are prohibited from distributing campaign material intended to influence the vote of a voter in the ongoing election within 150 of a polling location.
WTG Bill!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)report to the announcer's booth, ASAP, and bring your select committee"
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)caused by electronic voting machine fraud.
They are such cheating dirtbags.
jillan
(39,451 posts)It's all in the article.
It's NOT about the voting machines. It's about campaigning inside of a polling place.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)owned by corporate America will be tampered with...they have the codes.
jillan
(39,451 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)wink wink
It's illegal to have pictures inside that would be considered "campaign material" for one candidate or another...but a famous person like Bill can walk around inside shaking hands with workers, and not be considered "campaign material". Well in my book, that's not campaigning, as long as he's wearing a paper bag over his head.
Oh, wait...he's not!
pacalo
(24,721 posts)what must they do when no one can see?
For all we know, he could have been at these polling places 'on business'. Shady.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Also a video at this link
http://wpri.com/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-arrives-in-new-bedford-on-super-tuesday/
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)the area where people were not allowed to have political signs because of distance. Period.
I doubt it made any difference, but it shows a disregard for the rules.
The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)God. It turns my stomach to think the only guy worth leading this country is so buried in paid bull sh*t and out and out corruption.
Who really wants to go back to segregation, illegal abortion, a open racial and sex caste system, laws that protect only the wealthy, and allows this country to throw away one who seeks an honest life.
I don't get it!!
It is not what makes our country "Great again".
I Bern for a revival of honesty!
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)(fires starting gun)
jillan
(39,451 posts)There were no replies when I started typing. I was late to the races!
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)One form of wholesale fraud possible with optical scan voting systems is during the recording of votes. Douglas W. Jones of the University of Iowa states that if a potential attacker were to gain access to the voting system configuration files, they would be able to "credit one candidate with votes intended for another." He found these files are exposed in the computer system used to prepare the election, making them vulnerable to anyone setting up the election. The files are then transferred to the voting system using removable media, and "anyone with access to these media could potentially attack the system.
Another form of wholesale fraud is during tabulation. Possible attacks have been demonstrated by Harri Hursti and the University of Connecticut.
If an attacker is able to obtain a blank ballot (by theft, counterfeit, or a legitimate absentee ballot) the attacker can then mark the ballot for their chosen candidates and convince (through intimidation or bribery) a voter to take the pre-marked ballot to a polling station, exchange it for the blank ballot issued and return the blank ballot to the attacker. This is known as chain voting
Some suggest many of these well-known vulnerabilities can be effectively mitigated. Ballot stuffing may be resolved with incorporation of randomly generated ballot identifier for each paper ballot and capturing digital ballot images of scanned ballots as electronic audit.
Tabulation fraud and wholesale tampering can also be prevented by adding a cryptographic verification mechanism. This approach is mathematically based, and thus invariant to software attacks or breaches in chain-of-custody of the paper ballots. One such system is Scantegrity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_scan_voting_system
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)officer kept saying they work great...he ate crow. What I meant is that votes can be tampered with with vote machines, with people counting wrong and with tabulation...and if someone wants to win bad enough, which the Clintons do then they can rig the system...now where have I heard rig before. They have the connections to do it and the establishment has said they don't want Bernie.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Some even say by hook, by crook or by pocket book meaning either one or all three of the three methods is necessary for some who are trying to win. Hook=anything that catches; snare; trap. Crook=a dishonest person, especially a sharper, swindler, or thief. Pocketbook=a person's financial resources or means.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)he did it to himself. And to that woman.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I mean, how brazen can a person be? He knew they were after him, and he just went ahead with his idiotic behavior. And he would still be denying it if not for the blue dress.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)one day after school he had two neighbor girls over to play. Things got quiet and I went in to check on them and found them under a blanket playing tent. I was busy making dinner and couldn't spend my time watching them so I asked the little girls to go home. After they left my 8yo said "I did not have sex with those women." Thanks Bill Clinton. The 8yo is now an improv comic in Chicago.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)I'm very wary about Clinton being the so-called front runner.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)He should know the voting rules and regs of his state & should have stopped Bill from going into the polling places.
A former president in the middle of a primary campaign for his wife should know better.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)when she gets elected ...no...
jillan
(39,451 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)place in the Adminstration...they bribe all the time in DC they blackmail too...The Clintons have been in DC a long long time.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He was flaunting the law. Just more corruption and disrespect for the law.
After all, when you have that much money, I suppose you begin to think that the law is just for the little people.
Uggh! Hillary!
How can anyone vote for her???
Chezboo
(230 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Him being in polling place is allowed as long as he does not talk, approach voters. I mean if people buy that you are not going to be influenced by someone giving you 9 million dollars for a few hours work, they are not going to think Slick Willy was up to no good.
jillan
(39,451 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)for:
--the presence of a candidate's husband;
--on election day;
--at multiple polling stations;
--in a state where he does not reside and which state is a toss up btw his wife and Sanders
--in a county that was going for Sanders;
--and whose presence shut down (security denied voters access to the polls for hours before and during his visit) access to those polling sites and caused hours long voting lines after he left.
If I were the judge, I'd extend the voting times for each of those locations and fine Clinton's campaign to kazoo for knowingly violating the law.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Baloney.
Bill Clinton walking into a voting place is no different from a stranger walking in with a big sign that says " VOTE FOR CLINTON!"
The conflict of interest is HUGE.
Where's Chelsea? Someone keep an eye on her.
MADem
(135,425 posts)but he can say "Nice day"....
And Bernie Sanders is free to do the very same thing.
So's his wife.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)I don't remember the last election I voted in that some were not present.
jillan
(39,451 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Everyone who has ever run for office knows you an be at the polling place. If he says "Vote for Hillary" he's broken the rules. If he says "I'm Bill Clinton, nice to meet you" he has not.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I posted 2 links on this.
You can argue all you want - it's in black and white http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawlib/900-999cmr/950cmr53.pdf
And it's now being reported in Boston & has hit the NYT.
But whatever.....
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And then there is the matter of distributing said memo before the story gets too much attention.
It must suck, supporting the unsupportable.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)The rules that you posted do not state that it was illegal for him to be inside the polling place. What he may or may not have done there is a separate matter.
Not worth making a big deal about in any case.
jillan
(39,451 posts)This is from the Sec of State of Mass.
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawlib/900-999cmr/950cmr53.pdf
(20) Only the Following Personnel shall be Permitted Within Guard Rail.
(a) Election officials
(b) Voters in the process of voting
(c) Police officers with the permission of the warden
(d) Representatives of the clerk's office
(e) Children may accompany a voter within the guardrail, unless the wardendecides that it would
disrupt good order.
This is what has been documented:
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-massachusetts-voting-laws/
Trouble is, thats precisely what he and Walsh seem to be doing, according to the Secretary of the Commonwealths voting regulations.
Within 150 feet of a polling place no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election, the text reads. In addition, campaign operatives are prohibited from distributing campaign material intended to influence the vote of a voter in the ongoing election within 150 of a polling location.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/super-tuesday-2016-elections/bill-clinton-gets-a-little-too-close-to-voters-in-boston/?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
He then showed up at a library in Newton, Mr. Galvin said, and the poll workers were flummoxed.
We had to remind everybody what the rules are, that there is no campaigning within 150 feet of the voting booths because people are entitled to their privacy, Mr. Galvin said. And its not just him but his media entourage.
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Done with this convo
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Not within the polling place.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)so that's 3 Los Angeles city lots in my area.
He had no business being there. His face is a campaign ad.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Otherwise, Galvin wouldn't have allowed him to continue on.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You can talk to poll workers--you can even talk to voters to say "Nice weather," or "Thanks so much" or "how are you today." You can't say "Vote For Clinton!" or anything like that.
Marty Walsh is a consummate politician--he knows the rules up one side and down the other.
File this under "baseless conspiracy theories that will nonetheless gain currency" -- but there's no there, there. They walked up to the line, and not over. There is nothing that might have prevented Bernie and Jane Sanders from doing the very same thing in a state they wanted to influence.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I cannot stand those people.
No humility.
Dishonest and trying to take advantage.
It's just disgusting.
Bernie, on the other hand, goes out of his way to try to be fair and do the right thing.
The contrast is incredible.
No to the Clintons. no. no. no.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What then?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie was in Vermont voting in his precinct today. I already read about it. He is allowed to vote in his own precinct. There is no law against that. And Vermont may permit this. But California and Mass. don't.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Fuck this shit.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)I do it all the time on election days, just wander around a polling place then drive to the next one and do the same, no big deal.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Of course they were looking for advantage--up to and within the confines of the law.
Sanders could do this, too--for all you know, he did.
Would you be as outraged if you learned he was doing the same darn thing? Hmmm?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Of course they weren't just soliciting votes, they were also intimidating people some of the time.
And thanks for the compliment, I haven't been called coy in years. But I'm not sure you know what the word means.
MADem
(135,425 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)950 CMR: OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH
950 CMR 53.00: VOTING AND COUNTING PROCEDURES FOR VOTING MACHINES
(20) Only the Following Personnel shall be Permitted Within Guard Rail.
(a) Election officials
(b) Voters in the process of voting
(c) Police officers with the permission of the warden
(d) Representatives of the clerk's office
(e) Children may accompany a voter within the guardrail, unless the wardendecides that it would
disrupt good order.
ETA link http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawlib/900-999cmr/950cmr53.pdf
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)The Traveler
(5,632 posts)They do not apply to the Clintons. Now fall in line.
Trav
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)If polling places are closed, how will people vote for Hillary Clinton? By osmosis?
FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)dchill
(38,320 posts)is deliberately obtuse. Or is it worse? Can you really believe yourself?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)NO More Clintons.
(and the thought of him skeezing around the White House makes me sick.)
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)e.g. not twitter feeds?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
what your definition of "election" is.
For some, it means coronation by any means possible.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)It's disgusting.
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bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)is hoping for. So they are going to try everything they can to make sure he does not win including Bill's celebrity. So they can use a loss in MA for Bernie against him to make him look like a failure. Wonder if Bernie knows about this crap going on.
bec
(107 posts)you need to check yourself. I see this as a form of voter suppression. Plus it is illegal.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)He wants badly to go back to the WH. Even as a trailing spouse. Ah, those memories...
gordyfl
(598 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And yet "The former president was spotted in the Newton Free Library in Newton, as well as the Holy Name gymnasium in West Roxburyboth polling locations. He was joined at the latter by Boston Mayor Marty Walsh, a Clinton supporter."
Are both of those locations outside the Warming House? I do not think that they are.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So long as he doesn't electioneer, he's allowed to be there. He was there with the Mayor of Boston, Marty Walsh. He later went to New Bedford--it's not a long drive.
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,419 posts)One can only imagine the damage he would do, upstaging and undermining her administration. In fact, imagination fails. It would be an unmitigated disaster.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)is that just the sight of Bill Clinton is an high impact advertisement for his wife. As much as I dislike some of the things he did, I would probably still be a bit in awe seeing or meeting him in person. It absolutely could influence some people that are right on the fence.
It's just not right. Not at all.
mike dub
(541 posts)Bill's sleazy.
renate
(13,776 posts)Lucky for me I don't have to.
Sheesh. I'll vote for her if I have to but I sure won't like it.
Justice
(7,182 posts)Most people in the north shore town of Bedford will be voting Republican
Most people in the southcoast city of New Bedford will be voting for a Democrat.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)He should know the voting laws of all 50 states. Especially the distance away from a polling place where he is allowed to make a speech. Shame on you Bill.
Prison. Right. Fucking. Now.