No dem can win the nomination or the general without the black vote.

[RealAmericanDem]

Bernie is losing that vote by almost 80% to Hillary. Can anyone tell me how they think Bernie can change that?

[seaotter]

1. By being the Democratic Party's nominee.

Do you think the Black vote will swing to Trump?

[JI7]

2. If he becomes the nominee he will get that vote

That's why black votErs are the base of the party.

[RealAmericanDem]

5. How does he become the nominee with only 20% of the black vote? Can't happen.

[JI7]

7. my point is when it comes to the black vote the dem nominee

Would win it in the general even if they lost it in the primary.

Just as Obama win hispanics Asians and lgbt in the GE even though those went for Clinton in the primary.

[Renaissance Man]

3. No one seems to ask a question about the 20% of black voters that are supporting Bernie Sanders.

No one seems to ask the question about the number of black voters that are supporting Bernie Sanders. Those black voters that I know that are not supporting Hillary Clinton are pretty solid in their non-support of her, and they're not supporting her for VERY GOOD reasons, myself included.

Today's Super Tuesday primary (while they contain sizable black populations) included a number of states that will likely not be in the column for the Democratic Party in the general election. Quite a few states that have not yet voted don't have sizable black populations (or at least not close to the percentage of black Democratic voters that are in Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, etc.).

The Democratic Party writes off that 20% of voters at their own peril.

[RobertEarl]

4. 87% of Dems in SC didn't vote

That's no base. What it is is a failure to participate.

8% of the Dem voters in SC is nothing to brag about.

[JI7]

6. that's far more than white voters

[NanceGreggs]

9. Too bad those massive droves ...

... of first-time voters didn't show up for Bernie in SC - or anywhere else so far.

[RobertEarl]

11. The most votes ever in NH

Given that the media and the DNC both have been giving more time to Trump than they have Bernie, it is no surprise hardly anyone even knows who Bernie is.

But you just keep applauding that miserable turnout in SC. As far as I am concerned that turnout was sick.

[NanceGreggs]

14. Participation was down in NH ...

So what happened to all of those first-time voters again - ya know, the ones we were told for months were going to come out for Bernie everywhere?

And BTW, pointing out the fact that those new voters for Bernie didn't show up in SC is not "applauding miserable turnout".

[RobertEarl]

15. The DNC suppressed the vote

Fewer debates and the Bernie hate expressed by the DNC.

You make this too easy to defeat ALL your arguments!

[NanceGreggs]

17. Well, I know all of your arguments ahead of time.

It's the DNC's fault, it's the MSM's fault, it's DWS's fault, it's HRC's fault, it's Bill's fault, it's the debate schedule's fault, it's the debate moderators' fault, it's the Hillary supporters' fault - it's pretty much everybody on the planet's fault - everyone but Bernie, of course.

Have you decided yet which states we shouldn't count tonight? You might want to get busy with that - there's going to be a lot of them that will require explainations as to how it's their fault, too.

[RobertEarl]

19. Bernie will win

He will win because his message is the correct message. Why not tell us, why you show such disregard for Bernie. Can you elucidate why post after post from you is anti-Bernie?

[NanceGreggs]

21. Actually, my posts are not particularly anti-Bernie.

I just get tired of the excuse-making every time he losses a primary, or dips in the polls, or those droves of first-time voters yet again fail to materialize. It's always everyone else's fault.

"He will win because his message is the correct message."

Well, that's what was going to bring out all of those first-time voters, the previously apathetic who were going to get behind Bernie after being inspired by his "message".

Maybe that message isn't as "correct" or as inspiring as we were led to believe. Or is that someone else's fault, too?

[RobertEarl]

22. What?

I do not recall a single post of yours that favored Bernie.

You are not being honest. I admit not one of mine favored H. If there was one, I apologize for the mistake.

Bernie's message is the correct one, and that is why Hillary has not been crowned. He's Berning her up!

[NanceGreggs]

24. So posts that do not "favour" Bernie ...

... are de facto anti-Bernie? Mm hmm, I see.

I did actually post a few posts defending Bernie in the BS Group at the beginning of his campaign.

Someone linked to an article comparing photos of the Flatbush apartment building where Bernie grew up to HRC's headquarters in Brooklyn Heights, the author claiming that this was "evidence" of the difference between Bernie's "everyman" persona and Hillary's penchant for posh surroundings.

I argued with the OP, saying that Bernie himself would find such a comparison ludicrous - that he was campaigning on issues, NOT who grew up where, or whose HQ had a fancier address.

I was then blocked from the BS Group for "badgering" the OP.

After seeing what BSers post here about HRC (and every Dem who doesn't endorse Bernie), and seeing what BSers post on the websites and FB pages of said Democrats, I've never defended BS again. If these are the types of people that Bernie's "message" is attracting, I want no part of it.

Maybe that's why those first-time voters aren't showing up for Bernie - they're too busy posting vile comments on message boards and FaceBook to actually go out and vote for him.

[RobertEarl]

32. Attack, attack, attack

Really what Hillary needs is supporters who can convince others. DU is 90% Bernie. True that.

She's going gown. Sure she gained delegates in the deep redneck south, but so what? It's not even newsworthy/

I am done with you here, now. You can have the last word. I've got to get after those celebrating the deep south showing its ass.

[NanceGreggs]

33. DU is 90% Bernie.

So what? DU doesn't come close to reflecting the Democratic Party, so that's a pointless remark.

But do scurry along now. You have work to do putting together another long list of excuses as to why Bernie is losing states - ya know, all those states that don't matter.

After throwing every Democrat under that bus, you're going to have a hard time fitting entire states under there as well. So your work is really cut out for you tonight, isn't it?

[imagine2015]

8. Because if Bernie is nominated he will get over 90% of the Black vote.

Do you think Black people, Latinos and other minorities will vote against Bernie and for the Republican?

And the Black turnout will be much, much higher in the general election.

[RealAmericanDem]

12. But how does he get the nomination with only 20% of the Black vote.

Point is that Bernie does not seem to be able to get the MAJORITY of the black vote and no dem can be the nominee without that.

[NCTraveler]

10. Time.

That's it. We wouldn't see a lot of the verbiage being used here if time wasn't out. It's last second and much of it isn't pretty.

I don't think it's a statement on Sanders other than the fact he has represented Vermont for a long time. Not a negative on him at all but a difficult starting point when there is limited time.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

13. "No dem can win the nomination or the general without the black vote."

True... and that includes those black voters as well. Fact

[RealAmericanDem]

16. Wonder why no one can answer the OP question????????

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. Notice the deflection: AA voters won't vote for Bernie in the GE? What the fuck? Tone deaf!

AA voters will vote for the Democrat, but I don't think Sanders will get that far, unfortunately.

[grossproffit]

18. There will be no revolution without people of color.

Take them for granted at your own peril.

[whatchamacallit]

20. There is no specific formula

There are many on DU that prefer he be denied AA support, so there aren't a lot of genuine solutions offered. The best he can do is keep reaching out and telegraphing his message. The more people have an opportunity to contrast the candidates, the better he does.

[onenote]

23. If Bernie gets the nomination, he will do well with the AA vote in the general because

rather than take their disappointment at their preferred candidate not winning and staying at home, they will be motivated to come out and vote to prevent the enabling of white supremacists that will follow from a Trump victory.

Or at least that's what I hope.

Of course, I also hope that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination my fellow Sanders supporters will be motivated to come out and vote for Clinton for the very same reason. It makes no sense to me that it's assumed that AAs will oppose Trump because he's a racist, but non AA Democrats will sit on their hands.

[davidn3600]

25. So blacks won't vote for Bernie against Trump?

Why?

[RealAmericanDem]

34. Why? Because they will never get the chance.

To go up against Trump, Bernie has to win the dem nomination and as pointed out in the OP, no dem can win the dem nomination without winning the black vote. Bernie's 20% won't cut it.

Now, why do you think he's only getting 20%?

[davidn3600]

36. If they want to vote for a Republican-lite.....that's their business

[noretreatnosurrender]

26. What are you saying?

Are you saying that African Americans won't vote for Bernie in the General if he's the nominee? Are you saying they would rather have Trump? I doubt that very seriously, don't you. I seem to remember Clinton supporters saying that no way would Sanders supporters not support Clinton over Trump? Are you changing that view?

[RealAmericanDem]

35. Nope, not what I'm saying. I'm saying Bernie won't be the nominee because he can't win black vote

20% won't do it

[noretreatnosurrender]

38. I get it

Oh so the usual divide and conquer thread. I get it.

[JimDandy]

27. He will win with whatever percent of the Black vote he earns.

He is already earning a huge part of the youth (of all races) and Independent vote.

He is a fine man with not a racist bone in his body. He will earn the Black vote in the GE.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. Whenever this point is made by POC, they are told to shut up and sit down...

...but they gon' learn tonight.

You can't continue to insult and degrade black folk and expect good results.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. By not being Donald 'KKK' Trump in the general? nt

[liberal_at_heart]

30. And no dem can win without Independents, either.

And what about voters under the age 65? What about the voters who earn less than $250,000 a year? What about white working voters? What about Latinos? Do only the African American voters get to decide who wins the presidency? I don't think so.

[LexVegas]

37. He cant.nt

[delrem]

39. So people should vote for a corporatist neocon

in hock to war profiteering investment bankers to the tune of $200,000,000 in graft and payola. Because you say "blacks" think that's cool?

Is that your argument?

There are over a million dead because of her wars. There are millions of refugees, so many it's a crisis over the whole region, because of her wars. You like that? You want to double down on that? You think that's the way of the future? Or do you just think people should turn their minds off and listen to the color-coded Brockian/Rovian/Hillarian crap.