Obama lost 21 states. Hillary stayed in until June.

[madfloridian]

Bernie supporters gave him close to 45 million in February alone. Does that sound like a failing campaign?

I think I just read Bernie took in 6 million yesterday alone.

That's amazing.

That's enough to continue to get his message out no matter what happens.

[still_one]

1. you're right

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Hillary stayed in the race--she was hinting that Obama could get assassinated like Bobby Kennedy!

.


The really good screwing over happens at the 7 minute mark, her dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, Obama...

.

[still_one]

25. I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the OP, and I sure am not going to respond to your

ugliness

Go spew your hate on someone else who will appreciates it

[TheBlackAdder]

27. IT'S HILLARY'S UGLINESS, not mine. The question is, "Why can't you see that or acknowledge it?" nt

[elehhhhna]

52. Hrh didn't hint. She said she'd stay in the race because

Bobby Kennedy died in June. Disgusting.

[thesquanderer]

94. Well, using the "anything can happen" rationale...

...Sanders' staying in also positions him well in the event that some other foot drops in the email scandal over the next few months.

[elehhhhna]

96. True. And I'll bet he won't reference Bobby Kennedy's assassination when asked why.

[Politicalboi]

26. Too much truth for some to handle

[jhart3333]

34. Yeah, try to dial it back a little.

[treestar]

76. no she was not hinting that

only pointing out that other races had contests going on that late. Geez, this is disgusting.

[TheBlackAdder]

78. That's some major contortions of her statements to fit a narrative you'd like to see.

[arcane1]

2. That is PRECISELY why there is so much interest in having us give up n/t

[Nyan]

77. Yep.

All in all, Bernie's doing just as good or better than how Obama was doing at this point. We got the cash flowing in. We got the message (Hillary has none). We got the enthusiasm. We got all the good states coming up.
So yeah. They're terrified because of that. They've been down this road before.

[Trajan]

3. In it to win it

Bernie has a great chance of succeeding down the road ... No matter what the naysayers have to say ...

[TrueDemVA]

36. That's right. Fight on

Looks like another Bernie donation night for me. Still have 35 more states to go. Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Wasn't Bernie a distance runner when he is younger?

[litlbilly]

4. anyone who says this thing is over today, they are part of the ptb machine. they are

trying to wish us away, and, it's not gonna happen. A sleeping giant has awakened and it is us.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Then perhaps Bernie should win some more states other than New Hampshire and Vermont. nt

[angrychair]

11. Maybe your candidate

Should get a good lawyer.

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/03/01/loretta-lynch-hillarys-case-is-being-reviewed-just-like-every-other-case-we-consider-n2127055

[JTFrog]

79. Maybe you should find something other than a right wing source to bash Democrats here.

What a disgusting website to link here. Why in the fuck do people think that it's okay to drag that garbage here?

For fuck's sake.

Right wingers and right wing points of view are NOT welcome on DU. Just because a jury of right wing trolls let these sources stand, doesn't change the fact that when you sign up for DU, you agree to the TOS.

[angrychair]

80. Wow, you said "right-wing" a lot

'Attack the source' is a common theme. As I have in the past, I will ask you, what is a 'good' news source for you? As I have found it completely impossible to have any news source not called "right-wing" or "biased" by one person or the other when it says things you don't like. How the head of the FBI commenting on his staying close to the investigation against Clinton is somehow "untrue" or "right-wing" I am unsure. The news source would not change the facts. Would you rather not know or believe a lie?
Lastly, I don't have to justify my credentials as a liberal progressive to you or anyone else. My actions, in the real world, are what matters. More importantly, I would never allow what you just posted to be hidden. I want DU to see it.

[JTFrog]

83. Well if the Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulters of the world are your idea of legitimate "sources",

then you are obviously never going to get it. They don't sell the truth. They never have.

And I repeat, right wingers and right wing points of view are not welcome on DU. It's in the TOS. Most of us didn't sign up and pay for membership here because we want to be bombarded with so called "facts" from extreme right wing asshats. Just like I don't watch FOX news because I don't support them and would never support their advertisers. I wouldn't drive traffic to their channel anymore than I would provide click-bait on DU to drive traffic to the most disgusting of sites.

If you can't find a reputable liberal source for your attacks, maybe there is a good reason for that.

I, for one, am sick of it. This kind of trash has been littering up this forum for months. It's just pathetic.

[angrychair]

84. See there is the rub

"If you can't find a reputable liberal source for your attacks, maybe their is a good reason for that."

The answer to that question morphs...by the minute. I have seen everything from the NYT, HuffPo, The Hill, Reuters, Vox, Washington Post and Seattle Times as just examples of things that have been called "right-wing rags" one day then used as sources the next.

It has a lot more to do with content than publication. I'd it supports your perspective it's fine, if it doesn't, it's not.
Sorry, there is no way I can make everyone happy. Sometimes the news says things I don't like.

Am I to call any one of a dozen newspapers this morning talking about Sanders losing MA by a little over one percent, like it was a landslide "right-wing rags"? No, it's news I don't like but I'm complaining about the content not the publication.

In all of this you never addressed direct quotes from the head of the FBI about staying involved in the investigation. See, that is content, it's not biased or right wing. Its a direct quote.
What publication would you like to see it in?
This puts a slightly more positive spin on it for you:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/02/hillary-clinton-indicted-prosecuted-email-fbi-director-private-server/
Or
This one:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/29/hillarys_victories_mean_painful_legal_choices_for_doj_wh.html
Or
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472400/FBI-director-says-closely-involved-Hillary-Clinton-s-email-investigation-congressional-hearing-Apple-s-encryption-policy.html


There are more from different sources. Any of the above good? I am happy to find a source you are comfortable reading.
FYI, I have never had anyone critical of The Hill. Kos is a writer there and the founder, Jerry Finkelstein, is a lifelong Democrat. I think you are thinking of another publication.

[JTFrog]

86. See, that wasn't so hard was it? n/t

[corbettkroehler]

21. His Victory Plan Was Inchoate

You are correct that his approach has relied too heavily on charisma and not enough on converting rally registrations into votes.

On the other hand, nothing focuses a candidate's attention more than losing. Fortunately, he and his team have responded to South Carolina and improvements have been made.

In addition, as time passes, the calendar becomes more favorable to Sanders, in terms of demographics of the electorate and the number of states which vote on the same day.

[Mudcat]

28. Challenge accepted! (sets off to make another donation to Act Blue)

[Logical]

44. You whine a lot. nt

[AlbertCat]

45. Then perhaps Bernie should win some more states other than New Hampshire and Vermont.

He will, Deary. There are plenty left.

[Peace Patriot]

59. Winning a majority of Dems in a state is not as important as the delegate count,

as this long campaign proceeds to the much bigger and more progressive states.

As for the GE, it is really not relevant at all. Independents are the biggest voting block in the country. And this year, there are more disgruntled Republicans as well. Also there are a lot of Democrats among those miserable numbers for Clinton, nationally, on honesty, integrity, trustworthiness and favorability. Sanders is by far the best candidate to win these voting groups. And he is doing far better than Clinton, in national polls, at beating all Republicans (big wins!), while Clinton wins by much less (against Trump) or loses (to Cruz and Rubio!).

Anyway, a) Sanders doesn't need 'wins' in states, he needs delegate counts to get to the convention with a possible win, and b) The delegate counts are also important for VP choice and for clout on critical issues at the convention.

Since Sanders is in this to give the dispossessed majority a voice in national affairs, and to create a political revolution (which could take decades), he is not likely to quit before the convention. He will put up a fight there, no matter the odds.

[Fawke Em]

68. Colorado... Minnesota...

And a virtual tie in Massachusetts.

I think that's pretty good for a candidate the media ignored for 9 months.

[tabasco]

5. Some folks apparently think the deep South should pick our candidate.

Me, not so much.

[beac]

6. A huge K&R!

This is far from over. Let ALL the people vote!

[cleopotrick]

7. He took in closer to $8m yesterday I heard (= nt

[Merryland]

8. He does need to stay in for the long haul no matter what happens

[dchill]

10. Hillary stayed in until June...

With way less $$$ than Bernie has now.

[KingFlorez]

12. Depends on how many delegates he gets

If he doesn't earn enough pledged delegates in the end to win the nomination. Raising money doesn't mean he should just be handed the nomination.

[madfloridian]

15. "handed the nomination"??

You should think about what you just said.

[KingFlorez]

16. I know what I said

Again, he has to have the delegates to win the nomination, it's not like he should just be given the nomination based on how much money he's raised or what his platform is. Again, let me repeat again, he has to have enough delegates to win the nomination.

[madfloridian]

18. Not only am I now not considered a Democrat, but now.....

I'm being talked to as if I were an idiot.

[KingFlorez]

20. You said it, I didn't

[madfloridian]

30. There are a lot of us who used to be respected around here...until we supported Bernie.

Then everything changed. We became enemies of the party, enemies of the one whose turn it was this time.

And now I am having keep my mouth shut when it is implied I may be an idiot....

BIG BIG change.

But go ahead, be sure you get the last word so you will feel better.

[restorefreedom]

19. so you agree he should stay in?

you said pledged delegates "in the end"

we are nowhere near the end, yes?

[morningfog]

31. You should clarify.

If Bernie wins the majority of the pledged delegates, who should the nominee be?

[AlbertCat]

46. just be handed the nomination.

The only people who ever expected such a thing are Hillary and her supporters.

[Skwmom]

17. I think he took in over 7 million. n/t

[madfloridian]

32. I think Act Blue is keeping a running tally...trying to find the right page now.

You may be right.

[UglyGreed]

22. K/R

[RichGirl]

23. You can't use Obama as comparison.

Some of the first states to have primaries are southern states...and...you know Obama's black...right?

[madfloridian]

29. Well, Bill Clinton treasures his title of first black president....

and it carries over to Hillary...so..what can I say?

They say Toni Morrison said that..

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Americans-use-to-call-Bill-Clinton-The-First-Black-President

[AlbertCat]

48. and it carries over to Hillary...so..

Riding hubby's coattails....again.

[Codeine]

33. Hillary isn't going to lose 21 states.

And Sanders isn't Obama. He'll probably stay in, but it's just going to get more and more lopsided.

[Trajan]

37. We shall see .. nt

[jalan48]

35. Why quit? We're in it to the end.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. Hillary also ended in '08 owing millions to polling firms.

[madfloridian]

50. And she had help from supporters to retire her debt...for years it seemed.

That often happens with campaigns...not unusual.

Hoping Bernie runs a low cost campaign...which he has been doing anyway.

[markj757]

39. To all you Bernie Wackos....

I just listened to his victory speech in Vermont, and I just have to say that Bernie is by far one of the most honest and decent candidates to ever run for high office, and I am honored that he running as a Democrat. I think it makes a bold statement about who we are, and what we stand for as party. And his fierce level of support in the Demorcatic primary only underscores that belief.

[MissDeeds]

43. Great post, markj757

Thank you, and welcome to DU!

[zentrum]

40. That's really

…good to be reminded of. Thnx.

[Ferd Berfel]

41. Keep On Keepin On

[madfloridian]

70. Exactly.

[PatrynXX]

42. anyone thinking this is over tonight never went thru 2008

Once I finally redid my research and my memory came back how much did Obama win by (normal delegates 51 to 49 % too close to call and the only way she'd win in November is giving Bernie a high level position like Obama did. If not Trump wins. Although again I won't vote for her. She's a conservative And if I want to vote for a Conservative (and I have ) I will under the right name.

[Enthusiast]

47. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[silvershadow]

49. All the way to convention. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

51. At this point in the race (read, moment - not month), Obama had 918 delegates...

Bernie has 122.

That counts Super Tuesday from 2008. I doubt Bernie will even come out of today with 100 delegates.

[Fawke Em]

69. There were more states voting on Super Tuesday in 2008.

Not comparable.

[Drunken Irishman]

81. And neither is comparing Bernie to Obama in 2008.

[Historic NY]

53. BS isn't getting much for the money....

especially when he has ads playing in NY when the primary won't happened until June. He blew his wad in Nevada and was in the hole -12 or 14 million. Another million is ads in S.C. and paying a 250 person staff & 10 offices. Eventually the delegate mathematics will catch up to where its just play money. Message means nothing when you not on the ballot come Nov.

[madfloridian]

54. The nation is getting a lesson about what Democrats used to be.

The nation is getting a lesson in Democratic Socialism. The words may not strike fear anymore.

So that's a lot right there.

[Historic NY]

58. So far tonight its rejecting it.

But by all mean please proceed.

[Livluvgrow]

56. Actually

Hillary supporters will be wondering what their investments got them. I mean she already said no we cant. No we cant send young people to college without nruining their future with debt. Heck one pentagon plane program pays for Bernies plan for 50 plus years but NO WE CANT

[madfloridian]

61. Good point.

A whole lot of no we can't...designed to prevent dreamers from hoping and wishing for change in the future. Is our party becoming the party of no to its own people?

[Livluvgrow]

63. Hang in there

Madfloridian. Keep fighting the good fight. I have enjoyed your posts as I have lurked for years back to my days as a Pasco County Fl. Teacher.

[madfloridian]

67. Thanks for that.

I lost the heart to post about education since so few really cared.

[Amimnoch]

55. I've been telling you guys for months now.. Expand the movement to the House and Senate.

Bernie has 0.. ZERO of his fellow senators endorsing him, only 5 Representatives.

This revolution could have been so much more if only you'd have taken to getting Bernie backed primary challenges to just 10 Senators that are backing Clinton, and maybe a dozen or so of representatives that are. Put a couple of progressive runners against Republican incumbents that are vulnerable to boot.

If the DNC had been made to see this movement spreading out and actual challenges (tea party style, but with a better and progressive message) to their power base, Bernie would have had a LOT more establishment endorsements coming over to him, and would have been a REAL challenge.

Instead EVERYTHING was all about Bernie. The POTUS has to be the icing on the cake... The final push. Get the House and Get the Senate (ESPECIALLY the Senate!)

You could have had soooo many more people who like Bernie's message, but just don't believe it's feasible if you'd have just demonstrated the movement moving beyond just him.

[madfloridian]

57. There are I believe many folks running because of Bernie's inspiration. Article.

https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Here are two that are special to me. Zephyr from Dean's campaign...and FL's very own Tim Canova who will give DWS a run for her money.

https://timcanova.com/

Already supporting Tim proudly.

Funny how these folks get so little coverage. Hmmmm

[Amimnoch]

60. I'd also passed out a link several times for a list.

Here's my most recent attempt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511320121

I see from your link the people at your link are listed.. and many more.

It's not funny how they get so little, it's very media typical. Last summer Senator Sanders was getting almost no media coverage, and what he got wasn't terribly flattering. Then, his numbers went up, he became a real challenge and the news stories haven't stopped since. The media is fickle and very numbers driven. BUT, with today's social media these people could have gotten much more traction.. if the same focus was put on them as it has for Senator Sanders.. I just never saw any real appetite out there to make it happen it was all around "feeling the bern". For me, and I'm betting many others, that alone isn't enough.

Hillary is the less progressive candidate of the 2, but with the congress we're getting in the 115th, she's the one of the 2 that'll be most capable of making at least a little bit happen. The biggest criticism of her is her ability to manipulate the system.. With a Republican congress.. I'm sorry, but that's what's more needed.

[Peace Patriot]

62. That's good advice but why didn't the rest of us do it?

Why ask Bernie Sanders to do EVERYTHING?

And that is his point. WE have to do it. He can only do so much. He has sparked this revolution and taken the burden of a presidential campaign onto his 74 year old shoulders, and is doing a magnificent job. But if we want him to win, WE have to do it. And if we want a better Congress for the next phase of this revolution--if we don't restore democracy and equality in Washington DC this time--WE have to do it.

I also think we need to understand that the DNC does NOT want a New Deal revolution. The Clinton-run DNC actively opposes it. They've done that ALL ALONG, for years. So there IS no political organization that "we, the people" could have turned to. They're deaf! They've rejected the voice of the people for more than years--for decades. Actively rejected it.

Bernie has sparked this rebellion. He is saying things that haven't been part of our national political discussion since well before Reagan. This system is RIGGED. And it is up to all of us to finish the rebellion against it, whatever happens in this campaign. And it ain't over yet!

[madfloridian]

64. The DNC has effectively shut us out. Deliberately.

I don't know how that is going to turn out. You can not squeeze party loyalty out of those you have insulted for months.

[Beacool]

65. Hillary and Obama were almost tied in pledged delegates.

I think that she was behind a bit over 100 delegates. No one is going to push Sanders out of the race, but he'll be behind by a lot more than Hillary was in 2008 by June.

[madfloridian]

66. That's okay really.

I think what people don't realize is that this race is a turning point in our party, even if Bernie loses.

They have shut us out as not Democratic enough.

They made the primary about race from the start....they have pitted races against each other.

That's shameful.

They have used the party as a weapon against Bernie and his supporters.

That's a terrible thing to do. And since the bylaws require the DNC chair and leaders to be neutral...it may even carry the taint of illegality to a degree.

If Hillary wins that way, I don't really call it a win.

[BainsBane]

71. So money is what matters?

Not votes or delegates?

[Gore1FL]

98. Nice strawman!

you should make more and sell them on Etsy.

[MaeScott]

72. Kicked. nt

[Major Hogwash]

73. "Bernie doesn't stand a chance" is the new recycled meme.

They should just ignore him and go back to singing "Pennies From Heaven."

[madfloridian]

87. ....

[jfern]

74. And another thing is that the primary then was way more frontloaded

In January 2008, 6 states voted, including 2 large states that weren't supposed to, Michigan and Florida. Super Tuesday that year was Feb. 5th 2008, and was much larger, which close to half the country voting. It included NY and California, which opted to go much later. This year, there are several hundred delegates to be awarded on June 7 2016, when California and 6 other states vote. It just makes more sense to stay in until June in 2016 than 2008.

[FloriTexan]

75. Kick!

Yes I t is!

[madfloridian]

82. Thanks.

[musicblind]

85. I don't think most Hillary supports want to see Bernie drop out.

I certainly don't. I think he has a great message and a good chance to rack up more delegates. Given the amount of money his supporters are sending him as well as the votes he is getting, he should stay in. Staying in makes the election more interesting, pushes Hillary to the left and it gives us a safety net.

[WillyT]

88. K & R !!!

[madfloridian]

89. Thanks, WillyT

[Babel_17]

90. Well said

Calling for party unity behind Clinton is pretty lol worthy given the facts.

[nichomachus]

91. Mrs. Clinton's biggest threats

Are exposure and time

She's already picked the low-hanging fruit. She is not a player who thrives in a long game. The more people see and hear her, the less they like her. She has no staying power.

Right now, Bernie is predicted to win all but four of the remaining states.

This is why Mrs. Clinton's acolytes are trying to get Bernie to quit now.

[LiberalArkie]

92. But, But The opposing forces say it was all over after Nevada and South Carolina.

And you know they would never fib. Would they?

[TIME TO PANIC]

93. K & R!

[Uncle Joe]

95. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[Gore1FL]

97. Every delegate is an argument for a progressive platform

Even if he doesn't manage the nomination, this is important.