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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:58 PM Mar 2016

C-Span just showed Bernie winning Vermont so far by 90+% but CNN won't show that graph

they just keep replaying Virginia and Georgia where Bernie is down.

C-Span has been trailing CNN on the polls so CNN must have access to it, what gives, CNN?

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C-Span just showed Bernie winning Vermont so far by 90+% but CNN won't show that graph (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2016 OP
Less than 1/2% of the country. onehandle Mar 2016 #1
Biggest margin of victory of the primary. morningfog Mar 2016 #4
It makes no difference CNN sat on it for the better part of the hour while they continuously showed Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #12
It's evil plot #67 gainst Bernie today alone, Hortensis Mar 2016 #27
You have no logical counter to my argument. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #28
Logic? Do you want insertion of rationality too? Hortensis Mar 2016 #34
They have it on their website, I just saw it there. LisaM Mar 2016 #2
Virginia and Georgia had only counted 1% of their results when CNN started publishing their Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #22
CNN says less than 1% of the vote is in! scscholar Mar 2016 #3
They're not "publishing" anything. BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #6
Nothing misleading anigbrowl Mar 2016 #26
I'm now watching CSPAN's coverage BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #5
People who know Bernie best really, really like him. Octafish Mar 2016 #7
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^ +1000 MelissaB Mar 2016 #9
Yes, that's how we feel about him. ozone_man Mar 2016 #32
Yeah, what's up Clinton News Network? liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #8
CNN has the total % for each candidate &state at the bottom left. 89.2% - 10.6% displacedtexan Mar 2016 #10
They put that ongoing graph of Vermont up 30-45 minutes after continuously posting Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #14
Keep in mind if Clinton doesn't get to 15%, she gets zero delegates. jeff47 Mar 2016 #11
She gets her superdelegates, plus she ended up getting more than Sanders in NH. displacedtexan Mar 2016 #16
Only if the superdelegates don't change their vote. jeff47 Mar 2016 #20
So true. Especially if Sanders starts supporting their campaigns & party positions. displacedtexan Mar 2016 #23
Or if the superdelegates want to keep their seats jeff47 Mar 2016 #24
MSNBC UglyGreed Mar 2016 #13
I saw it on CNN several times.. it shows up at the bottom every few minutes. DCBob Mar 2016 #15
They sat on it for the better part of the hour long after C-Span started showing it, while Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #17
I didnt see that but maybe because those races were closer. DCBob Mar 2016 #18
They instantly called all three states immediately after the polls closed, while VA and GA are Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #21
Turn on RT English Go Vols Mar 2016 #19
What gives is that Vermont has only 16 delegates anigbrowl Mar 2016 #25
Sanders winning Vermont is about as news worthy as Trump making yet another offensive comment. tymorial Mar 2016 #29
It wasn't just the win it was the % of the win and Hillary isn't doing as well in Arkansas. Also it Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #30
You're seriously overthinking this anigbrowl Mar 2016 #31
Perhaps you're underthinking it, as Vermont is "very small potatoes" that would mean the people Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #33
The Clinton News Network doesn't pretend to not be biased jfern Mar 2016 #35
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. Biggest margin of victory of the primary.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

Perhaps ever in modern primary two-way races, a delegate shut out. Ouch.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
12. It makes no difference CNN sat on it for the better part of the hour while they continuously showed
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

Virginia and Georgia.

CNN knew that Vermont's; (the state that knew Bernie best) overwhelming approval of Bernie would carry positive psychological ramifications for him in states further West that haven't voted yet.

Just another case of propaganda manipulation of the people by corporate media conglomerate CNN.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. It's evil plot #67 gainst Bernie today alone,
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:43 PM
Mar 2016

#760 for the week, and yes, if those numbers seem particularly meaningful and sinister, it's because they are.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
22. Virginia and Georgia had only counted 1% of their results when CNN started publishing their
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

results.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
3. CNN says less than 1% of the vote is in!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

Why are they publishing those misleading numbers? They're going to fluctuate hugely.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
6. They're not "publishing" anything.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

They're just scrolling through numbers for each state and clearly show what percentage of the vote is in.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
26. Nothing misleading
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

That's how they're reported by the Secretary of States' offices, and even a small percentage is usually a pretty good proxy for the final result because of statistics, although you have to be aware of things like cities tending to return votes later than rural precincts and so on.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
5. I'm now watching CSPAN's coverage
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

It will keep me from screaming at the TV. CNN and MSNBC are unbearable, Fox is out of the question.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. People who know Bernie best really, really like him.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

If he wasn't what he seems, they wouldn't cross party lines to vote for a "Democratic Socialist."

Gee. Sounds like Vermont knows a New Deal Democrat when they see one -- a REAL Democrat.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
14. They put that ongoing graph of Vermont up 30-45 minutes after continuously posting
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

Virginia and Georgia results.

Like I said C-Span results of the votes trailed CNN but they put it up long before.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. Keep in mind if Clinton doesn't get to 15%, she gets zero delegates.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

Zero delegates from proportional voting is damn near impossible in a contested primary.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
16. She gets her superdelegates, plus she ended up getting more than Sanders in NH.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

It all works out sooner or later.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. Only if the superdelegates don't change their vote.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

And that has literally never happened. In ever election since we created the abomination of superdelegates, some have changed their vote.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
23. So true. Especially if Sanders starts supporting their campaigns & party positions.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:38 PM
Mar 2016

I suppose it could happen.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. Or if the superdelegates want to keep their seats
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

For example, in 2008 John Lewis pledged his vote to Clinton. Then he changed his vote to Obama when Obama won his district.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. I saw it on CNN several times.. it shows up at the bottom every few minutes.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

There is no conspiracy. Good grief.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
17. They sat on it for the better part of the hour long after C-Span started showing it, while
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

CNN continuously showed the results from the Virginia and Georgia races, the polls closed at the same time but the latter two favored Hillary.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
21. They instantly called all three states immediately after the polls closed, while VA and GA are
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

closer that's no excuse to not show Vermont results.

The only primary difference was that Hillary was leading by great margins in Virginia and Georgia while Bernie was swamping her in Vermont.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
25. What gives is that Vermont has only 16 delegates
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

It's great that Bernie has a huge victory there, but then it's his home state so that's not a big surprise. But the effect on the delegate count is tiny, because Vermont has fewer delegates than any other state that voted/caucused today, even Alaska, which has almost twice as many.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/03/01/super_tuesday_cheat_sheet_on_delegate_allocations_129835.html

~90% of 16 delegates is probably 14 (depending on final totals and so on). In the overall scheme of things, Vermont is just not a very big deal. If I ran for mayor I might be able to score 90% of the votes on my own block and the few surrounding it, but the rest of the city will be indifferent to that.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
29. Sanders winning Vermont is about as news worthy as Trump making yet another offensive comment.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

This would be the case even if Sanders won 100% of the vote.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
30. It wasn't just the win it was the % of the win and Hillary isn't doing as well in Arkansas. Also it
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

wasn't a question of "news worthy" it was a question of consistency.

As I posted up thread, CNN instantly called all three states as the polls closed in those states.

Their little graphs continued to reflect Hillary's great margins in winning Virginia and Georgia with less than 1% of the vote actually counted, they stated that Bernie won Vermont but sat on that overwhelming graph for the better part of an hour.

At one point on C-Span Bernie was up 90+% now whether it's your home state or not, that's a pretty impressive % but CNN didn't show it although C-Span whose keeping up with the voting results actually trailed corporate media conglomerate CNN did reflect it.

CNN wanted to tout Hillary's impressive win %s but put off reflecting Bernie's for the better part of an hour and time in this case is of the essence.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
31. You're seriously overthinking this
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

There's only around 600k people in the whole of Vermont, and Bernie is the sitting senator whereas Hillary Clinton hasn't been based in Arkansas since 1992. I happened to be watching C-Span earlier and even commented to my wife that the 90% (as it was then) result in Vermont was nice for Bernie, but when you get down to it Vermont is very small potatoes.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
33. Perhaps you're underthinking it, as Vermont is "very small potatoes" that would mean the people
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

of Vermont know their political leaders more intimately than the constituents of most larger states.

So even if virtually every politician from Vermont endorses Hillary or the news papers of that state do likewise, Vermonters would inherently know which is the best leader to support despite endorsements that might serve to sway people in larger states where the citizens aren't as connected to their political leaders.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leahy%20endorses%20clinton

The people of Vermont know Bernie and whether one considers them "small potatoes" or not, they have spoken clearly to the nation.

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