Looks like Bernie's winning 4-5 states tonight (out of 11 total). That a VERY respectable showing.

[99th_Monkey]

These results are NOT a Clinton "mandate" for Hillary (or her supporters) to climb on
a high-horse and start demanding that Bernie "get out now".

That is total BULLSHIT. Don't buy into it for a second.

GO Bernie!!!!

[bigtree]

1. the delegate count for Hillary is devastating to his campaign

[morningfog]

3. It could get there one day, but it won't be tonight.

[Optimism]

14. Super-establishment-delegates.

CNN and their bullshit inclusion of Superdelegates when they show the delegate total graphic. All in hopes of making it appear there's been some sort of massive blowout tonight. There hasn't been! Don't be discouraged Bernie supporters! Not to diss all those Southern states Hillary won, but those are highly unlikely to vote for the Democrat in November. Oklahoma (which also dislikes Trump) DOES like Bernie. Crossover appeal. But the BIG news is Bernie's results in MN and CO. Not to mention the tie in MA !

Time for yet another donation to Sander's campaign. ENCOURAGEMENT! OPTIMISM !!

[DJ13]

35. You are right, its bullshit

Welcome to DU!

[drokhole]

129. Yeah, Google's doing it too, and it reminded me of an article...

...about how they could sway the election for Hilary (from Aeon):

Looking ahead to the November 2016 US presidential election, I see clear signs that Google is backing Hillary Clinton. In April 2015, Clinton hired Stephanie Hannon away from Google to be her chief technology officer and, a few months ago, Eric Schmidt, chairman of the holding company that controls Google, set up a semi-secret company – The Groundwork – for the specific purpose of putting Clinton in office. The formation of The Groundwork prompted Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, to dub Google Clinton’s ‘secret weapon’ in her quest for the US presidency.

We now estimate that Hannon’s old friends have the power to drive between 2.6 and 10.4 million votes to Clinton on election day with no one knowing that this is occurring and without leaving a paper trail. They can also help her win the nomination, of course, by influencing undecided voters during the primaries. Swing voters have always been the key to winning elections, and there has never been a more powerful, efficient or inexpensive way to sway them than SEME ('Search Engine Manipulation Effect').

[DJ13]

130. Thats frightening

But nothing about Hillary and satisfying her ambition surprises me anymore.

[artislife]

48. True.

I am loving how the counties broke down in all the states. There were a lot more Bernie supporters across board than camp weathervane was counting on. And look where Bernie has strong numbers. Then compare to how many republicans voted.

If she is the nominee, she better get better at reaching across a lot of tables or she will be very sad in November

But what the Hell, I am very happy with the results. Would have loved to have add the MA as a win, but we showed up in very close numbers there. Bernie got delegates in every state....it looks like h didn't get any in Vermont. That is the last I saw, who know if it has changed.

And I am not counting superdelegates until convention. That's when they cast their votes.

[Mira]

65. Seconded and also

welcome to DU.

[dchill]

70. I don't remember the Superdelegate meme in 2008.

Anybody?

[thesquanderer]

79. It was a big issue in 2008

see for example

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/23/uselections2008.barackobama

[dchill]

84. Yes, at the end.

I don't remember them being added to the count from the get-go.

[thesquanderer]

92. I'm not sure what various media was reporting...

...but the link I posted showed that there were issues about them even about as early in the process as we are today.

[dchill]

94. Well, there were more candidates to split...

them between, so it wouldn't have been such a seemingly deciding factor.

[thesquanderer]

97. True, yet the article shows BO and HRC at the center of the SD battle in Feb (n/t)

[creeksneakers2]

71. How did Bernie win OK?

[John Poet]

115. MSNBC did the same thing, adding unpledged superdelegates

who had endorsed Hillary into the delegate totals, clearly misrepresenting the delegate results of actual voting. The networks all have their favorite in this.

[LittleGirl]

122. Copied to my computer

thanks for sharing. love that.

[silenttigersong]

123. Okay

Thats funny ,be carefull....

[Fronkonsteen]

33. lol, Nice try, littletwig.

[tommcc99]

49. Ignore.

[JDPriestly]

50. Actually, not at all.

California has 546 votes or delegates and will go big-time for Bernie.

I'm out campaigning on the street here and people really like Bernie. I've campaigned in a lot of elections, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm for Bernie in California. It is incredible.

[Herman4747]

61. To be sure, I hope what you suspect is true...

...however, it should be noted that California went for Hillary in 2008.

[JDPriestly]

100. Bernie wasn't running, and the economy had not yet fallen apart.

[gwheezie]

116. The economy had fallen apart

The economy is pretty strong right now when you compare it to the rest of the world.

[JDPriestly]

120. The economy had fallen apart but the media and the public did not realize it fully until

the Fall of 2008 after the primaries had been held.

The economy is stronger now than it was in 2009-2011, but it isn't good. Most of the financial gain from the wonderful technology we have goes to the top 1% of our population. Listen to Bernie!

[Duckfan]

90. If You're in the Bay Area or L.A. yeah. Bernie terrority.

But the Central Valley may be a different story.

Emphasis on "maybe".

[bvf]

66. We see what you did there.

Gold star. Have mom put it on the fridge for you.

[kath]

67. ...

My, spinning like the Tazmanian Devil tonight, are we?

[MrMickeysMom]

68. Actually, it's not... It was expected to be less...

I know you don't follow the threads that talk about this, so consider this a reminder that we do discuss things like this, right along with the issues.

[PatrynXX]

72. less than 200 difference real devistating lol

alot of Bernie friendly states coming up too. ie Union territories not Confederate states

[dchill]

75. I think the delegate count for Hillary is devastating to HER campaign...

going forward from here.

[George II]

80. She's now leading by more than 200 delegates, with no Sanders "firewall" in sight.

Outside of Maine, it doesn't look like he's close to a win in the remaining 35 states. No "path to victory".

[retrowire]

83. but only 24% of all delegates have been distributed thus far.

Pwease mr bigtree, expwain to us childwen how da hell dats devashtating to buhnies campaign???

keep wishing us away! lalalala

[delrem]

86. Ah yes, our Martin O'Malley supporter ventures his opinion again.

Martin who?

[FarPoint]

102. Reality bites...

Respect is fine...but it's not a primary point for the Game of Thrones.

[warrprayer]

2. Kick and rec

Go Bernie!

[Cobalt Violet]

4. Gee I thought he was suppose to only win VT?

I keep hearing that for days now. He is doing great!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. Yes it's a great moral victory

He gets an B for effort

[Maedhros]

103. If you can't see that Bernie Sanders has run an A+ campaign, you're blind.

You may not like the man, but you have to give him credit for the thousands of people he's mobilized and his nothing short of phenomenal fund raising.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. It looks good!

[nc4bo]

7. The ones demanding can all have some pie too!

Fresh!

[IMG][/IMG]

[notadmblnd]

81. You know what that pie had in it don't you?

[yallerdawg]

8. It's not about states.

It's about party delegates.

Clinton 841. Sanders 237. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/

[jeff47]

13. Now try one that doesn't count superdelegates.

Since their votes are not "locked in".

[yallerdawg]

17. Don't count all the votes!

Where have I heard that before?

[jeff47]

20. You can count them when they are actually cast.

They have not been cast yet, and they have changed in every single primary since superdelegates were created.

[yallerdawg]

22. These primaries are selecting delegates to go to the convention.

So you're saying we shouldn't count any votes, since none have been cast?

Or just the ones you don't want to count.

[jeff47]

28. :facepalm:

Dear god that has to be one of the least-aware posts this primary season.

Pledged delegates are required to vote for one particular candidate. So we know which candidate they will be voting for at the convention. Because they have no choice. These primaries and caucuses are selecting pledged delegates (indirectly).

Superdelegates still have a choice until their vote is actually cast. And in every. single. primary since superdelegates were created, they have changed their votes.

For example, John Lewis said he'd vote for Clinton in 2008. He voted for Obama after Obama won his district. Superdelegates will be making the same political calculus at the convention this year.

[yallerdawg]

43. Some superdelegates have changed their vote.

Therefore, we don't count them.

Except, everyone else counts them!

[jeff47]

56. No, they are suddenly being counted this year.

Every previous year, the media did not include superdelegates in delegate tallies. Suddenly, they are including superdelegates. Golly, I wonder why?

You can be sure NH's superdelegates are going to feel enormous pressure to change their vote by the convention. And after tonight, so are CO, VT and MN's.

[yallerdawg]

62. How many votes do you need to win the party primary?

2,382. A number similar to all the recent primaries!

So let's not count the total votes until we get to the convention.

That's the plan. That's the rationalization.

OK.

No matter how many votes Hillary accumulates, it won't meet your "special Hillary standard."

[jeff47]

64. 80% of the unpledged delegates are still to be decided.

And the primary calendar is South heavy at first. Southerners are more conservative, even the Democrats. Today and next week should be the best environment for Clinton.

And she did not get a "knock-out" tonight, since Sanders won where he was expected to lose.

[Aerows]

74. I thought Bernie won OK, too

At least that is what the news was saying here.

[jeff47]

82. He did, I just don't know how their superdelegates have pledged. (nt)

[artislife]

51. It is March 1st, silly. nt

[gcomeau]

40. Superdelegates. Aren't. Pledged. Until. Convention.

How fucking hard is that to comprehend? No matter what they say now who they are supporting is indeterminate until the convention. Period.

Did 2008 teach you nothing?

[yallerdawg]

53. It taught us superdelegates follow the fucking primary vote.

Obama didn't steal the nomination.

[gcomeau]

63. Almost there...

It taught us superdelegates follow the *overall* primary vote.

As in, whoever wins the most pledged delegate wins. And the Superdelegates will realign their support *however is necessary* to confirm that outcome.

So talking about any candidate having any superdelegate locked up when the primary isn't even half over is monumentally stupid. Because they don't.



(And of course he didn't steal it, wtf are you talking about?)

[Gregorian]

9. Plus some of the states Hillary won are going to a republican in the general election.

That doesn't bode well for her, or I should say us. But that hasn't happened yet.

[yallerdawg]

23. Bernie won Oklahoma?

Should we count that? Been Republican for decades.

[rpannier]

41. Kind of my feeling on the whole thing

Winning SC, Oklahoma, Texas and others, while important in the primary, will mean very little in the GE
And no, I do not believe that having Castro as veep will make Texas competitive or force the Republicans to spend more money there
We've been hearing that about Governor's races and other races in Texas for the last 10 years or so and it never happens

Clinton or Sanders same electoral result

South Carolina, Georgia gonna go Republican by 6+ (likely more)

[hedda_foil]

60. Not just some of the state's. Except for her MA squeaker, all her wins are in red states.

Basically, she's sweeping the Confederacy. That's because the Democrats in those states are predominantly majority AA and they have been overwhelmingly loyal to Secretary Clinton. Unfortunately, the states themselves are overwhelmingly Republican.

[HooptieWagon]

10. It looks like he may take Democrats abroad (votes coming in another week).

I think Clinton took American Samoa caucus.

[rpannier]

44. Samoa went Clinton

Dems Abroad will likely go Sanders
Would be a minor miracle if he didn't win Democrats Abroad

[kristopher]

77. Speaking of Samoa...

Polynesian-Caucasian, Tulsi was born in 1981 in Leloaloa, American Samoa, the fourth of five children born to Carol and State Senator Mike Gabbard. When Tulsi was two, the family moved to Hawaiʻi, where they first settled in Wahiawa on Royal Palm Drive, where Tulsi’s sister, Vrindavan, the family’s youngest, was born...
https://www.votetulsi.com/tulsi-gabbard

[rpannier]

110. Very interesting

Thank you for sharing

[Optimism]

125. Tulsi is quite well spoken ...

... and very telegenic. A very positive face for the Sanders campaign, and she was extremely eloquent tonight when speaking of the need for a President that does NOT believe in 'regime change' and the carnage that always ensues. Not just in Iraq and Libya, but also looking forward in Syria. She's seen what war has done to her brothers and sisters in arms (two deployments, I believe) and she does NOT want Hillary to be the nominee. She's the most calm and measured in Bernie's camp, and looks to be becoming the go-to spokesperson for these talking heads shows.

Hell, I know it's still early in the game, but if Bernie were to somehow (SOONER rather than later) announce her as his preferred Veep choice (assuming Warren declines) ... it could well take the wind out of Hillary's sails at this crucial time. The more women to choose from on national tickets, the better. Especially when crucial matters of war and peace are on the line. Plus hey ... another mixed-race leader from Hawaii ... what's not to love?! Maybe just that alone would be reason enough for the hoped for Obama endorsement!

[anotherproletariat]

11. Congratulation to the Bernie supporters, your candidate gave a strong showing today! nt

[tommcc99]

57. Thanks.

Your a class act.

[calguy]

12. Very respectable but....

Not even close to competing for a nomination that is slipping away.

[99th_Monkey]

16. Things are looking UP for Bernie from here on in.

Hillarians and TV pundits were peddling the bullshit that "Bernie will only
win VT, and that's about it"

Bernie is winning at least 4, maybe 5, out of 11.

Not bad for someone polling at 3% nationally just 9 months ago,
no matter how you want to parse it.

[rpannier]

47. Stay in. Stay fighting

Get that 25+% of the delegates and make some noise on the platform committee

[TheFarseer]

15. If it would have been the Big Sky primary

instead of the SEC primary, the results would be as lopsided for Bernie. Too bad they'll call Minnesota and Colorado after most people go to bed. Have to be honest, I'm disappointed if Mass holds up for Clinton.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Yes, I hope Bernie wins Mass. as well.

but MSNBC just called if for Hillary

[GoneFishin]

36. Sorry about this. Some people don't like to consider this

but I have been watching the Mass returns since both Bernie and Hillary were near 100,000 votes each, but with Hillary ahead by about 22,000. Now, both are in the 500,000 range and the gap is about the same. I watched each time the returns came in, and the gap between them didn't vary much the entire time. What are the odds that Hillary's 22,000 vote lead would be compressed into the very first 20% reported, but for the next 80% that reported Bernie and Hillary would have almost the exact equal count of votes? It seems unnatural.

[thesquanderer]

95. It also depends on which regions are reporting

I don't know what this will look like by the time you see it, but...

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-03-01#MA-Dem

a lot of the unreported regions are (based on surrounding precincts) likely to go for Bernie. But they are calling it for Hillary, so I guess the population of the unreported areas is smaller.

[karynnj]

19. Not to mention, there are a lot of states similar to Colorado that have yet to have their contests

while the south where Hillary has won the bulk of her delegates.

[99th_Monkey]

21. I'm in Blue Oregon, and we're feeling the Bern here.

I think he'll win it decisively here.

[karynnj]

24. My Washington state daughter says the same of her state

It is ridiculous how distorted the emphasis on the southern states - which we never win in the general election - is. So many of these were frontloaded. Bernie today noted that 15 states were done -- 35 are left.

I think HRC is the more likely nominee, but it is still possible that she could lose.

[99th_Monkey]

27. Yep

she could lose.

[KamaAina]

29. That's the whole purpose behind Super Tuesday

to give the most conservative states (okay, not Mass. ) an outsized voice in the process, so that insurgents like Bernie can't build on wins in Iowa and/or NH.

[JDPriestly]

42. Hillary is not doing well in the Northern states that actually vote Democratic in presidential

elections.

Here is a map of how states vote in presidential elections.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

[artislife]

54. Yup. nt

[Old Codger]

118. It will be nice

To actually possibly have some impact on the primary, usually over by the time we have ours.

[99th_Monkey]

121. Yep. I'm glad we have primaries by state

but I think there needs to be a lottery each election year to decide which states
get to go first, middle and last. That would be so much more fair for all regions.

I hate the Eastern state's always telling the Western states who's "going to win"
and/or who we "get to" vote for.

[Peace Patriot]

124. That's a very good idea!

Maybe after we demote you-know-who, we can push that with the DNC, or maybe as a Democratic Party platform item. I frankly can't remember how this odd stackup of red states first happened. I think it happened over a long period of time, with states jockeying for position. I can't even think right now WHO decides the order of states. I recall a bunch of fights about it in the...90s? The state legislatures? Constitution says states have control over election rules. So it must be up to each state, in agreement with the political parties. But it could be a platform item as a policy goal in the states, to do a lottery, or some fairer system. I'm in California and I'm sick and tried of being told who our nominee is before I get to vote.

[99th_Monkey]

128. i too vaguely recall the kerfuffle over ordering of primaries

but am fuzzy on the details. As I recall it was quite a can of worms
that calmer heads never wanted to open up again, because it became
so contentious, involving states v. federal power, etc.

Given Bernie's fiery commitment to increase voter participation,
I could see him supporting some constructive changes in this
regard when he's in the WH.

Here is a proposal by the National Association of Secretaries of State:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_Regional_Primary_System

The Rotating Regional Primary System is a proposed system for reform of the United States presidential primary process, in which the country would be divided into four regions for primary elections. The plan has been promoted since 1999 by the National Association of Secretaries of State.[1]

The plan provides that the individual state primaries (or caucuses) would be grouped into 4 regions, each region voting in a different month--either March, April, May or June. Individual states in a region would vote on or soon after the first Tuesday of their month, though not necessarily on the same day. The first year, the order would be determined by lottery, and subsequently rotate for each election.

To continue traditional early primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire, they would be permitted to hold their primaries or caucus before any of the regions.

It calls for a lottery of states to determine the ordering of the states
within each region. It's apparently been 'on the table' since 1999.
fascinating stuff.

[Skid Rogue]

25. Great Job, Bernie!!!!

He honestly did better than I thought he would. I'm happy for you guys and I'm glad he's in the race. Great Job!!!!!!

[99th_Monkey]

30. Thank you. nt

[tommcc99]

58. Thanks.

This is how its done

[Gene Debs]

26. Besides, the Bernier states are still to come.

[Feeling the Bern]

31. WC Fields: Anyone who hates dogs and children can't be all bad

How do I like my children? Barbecued!

[TheDormouse]

32. does Texas allot delegates proportionally or winner-takes-all for Dems? nt

[99th_Monkey]

37. i think all states in Dem Primary are proportional ..

don't recall where I heard that, so can't verify.

Anyone else know for sure?

[TheDormouse]

55. that's what I thought too, but looking for confirmation nt

[jmowreader]

76. All Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional

Republican primaries are winner-take-all.

[thesquanderer]

88. Republican primaries are a mix, with various convoluted permutations. (n/t)

[JDPriestly]

34. Bernie did extremely well. Did anyone think he would win one of the Southern states?

Virginia was a possibility but lots of people working for the current administration work there.

Bernie won the majority of Northern states plus Oklahoma and Looks like maybe Colorado also. Great work.

Minnesota is not completely in yet is it? I counted that for Bernie based on the results I have seen.

[EndElectoral]

45. Was surprised he won OK so easily, but dissapointed he lost by about 2.5% in MA.

But now the race starts. There is Florida he'll most likely lose, but then a lot more northern and western states.

The Massachusetts loss stings a bit, but the vote is proportioned so there's very little difference in delegate apportionment there. I thought Massachusetts voters were a bit more progressive, but they chose the conservative hawk tonight. So be it. On to the next group. Glad we're through most of the confederacy.

[Codeine]

85. When I was a kid in OK half my relatives insisted it wasn't a Southern state

but rather Midwestern. The other half haughtily proclaimed themselves proud Southerners.

I just thought it was a swampy dump with too many water moccasins and snapping turtles trying to get at my little ankles.

[madokie]

126. I used to think we were mid western

then I joined the navy and man o man did I ever talk like the southerners so my impression of the state from then going forward was we are southern.

[jalan48]

38. Let's see how it goes now that the more progressive states are coming up.

[99th_Monkey]

69. Yeppers. Roger that. nt

[Beacool]

39. Sanders should stay until he wishes to stay.

Although, he'll be far behind in pledged delegates when all is said and done.

[EndElectoral]

46. So was Obama and he came back strong.

[Jtrupin123]

93. Fail

Most forecasts show that the momentum will massively shift to Sanders after March 15th.

[Beacool]

114. How so?

She's polling ahead in all March 15 states and predicted to win them by the 538: FL, IL, NC and OH. She's also ahead in MI. There are a lot of delegates in those states. She'll win NY, is polling well in PA (which she won in 2008 by almost 10%) and will probably do well in MD too.

[passiveporcupine]

111. Which means nothing at this point. eom

[Kip Humphrey]

52. Bernie needed 126 delegate pickup... is on target for 189! Great Results!!!

[reformist2]

73. Wow. That's great news!!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

108. What do you mean, he needed 126 delegates? Based on what?

[SoapBox]

59. And as soon as Camp Weathervane starts yakking...

The donations will be pouring in for Bernie.

[George II]

78. Four, and one has to win more than one-third of the states, and some BIG states, to win....

...the nomination.

[Peace Patriot]

87. Totally agree! Great showing for an insurgent candidate...

...and, by God, done with no corporate/bankster money, & no superpacs--a virtually unknown US senator (black-holed by the corpo-fascist media, who are still trying their best to bury him), with only 3% support 9 months ago!

Now he's beating Trump by 12 pts in national polls. Clinton does only half as well and she loses to Cruz & Rubio. Sanders beats them all!

He could win this nomination if more of the superdelegates decide to go with the best candidate! That CAN happen now. I was a bit worried about all those wrong polls and the "narrative" spun around them. I think I'll stop worrying about David Brock's "narratives."

for Bernie Sanders and for all of us, and especially for Sanders volunteers in ALL of today's states!

[basselope]

89. Awesome showing for Bernie!

[KauaiK]

91. I don't buy into it for goddamn one minute..

If she didn't have Wassermann-Schultz to rig the system in her favor it would be a whole different story. I hope Wassermann-Schultz will see the same fate as Lee Atwater.

Go Bernie and go get 'em Tulsi Gabbard!

[liberal_at_heart]

96. agreed. Not bad at all.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

98. Sanders did better in blue states. Clinton did better in red (read: conservative) states.

Things that make you go 'hmmm.'

Clinton squeaked one out in Massachusetts and took the recently purple-ish Virginia.

Sanders took the purpe-ish Colorado, along with the Minnesota and of course his home state of Vermont.

Curiously, Clinton took all of the red states except for Oklahoma. I'm pretty sure Clinton isn't going to be swinging any of those red states around come Nov. 2016.

You'd think Clinton as a moderate would appeal to independents, but looking at the numbers they don't trust her and would probably only vote for her to avoid a Trump presidency. That's not a good reason to nominate her though. Nominate someone who inspires! Nominate someone who gives a damn about someone other than themselves.

[Smarmie Doofus]

99. Seems like she dominates in the deep south.

Hey... maybe she IS really still a "Goldwater Girl."

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. My mistake it is only republican tonight

I hate it when states do that

[99th_Monkey]

105. Geez, I totally forgot about AK

seems like the M$M did too.

Hey where are you seeing the results??

Seems the NYTimes forgot about AK too, as it's not on their website of primaries.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. It is only the R side of the house

Guardian clarified that oopsie moment for me

I hate it when states do that.

And the NYT forgot it as well, for the dems, It is for the Rs

[99th_Monkey]

112. got it. thanks. nt

[still_one]

104. You are right, it is a good showing. Congratulations to Sanders and his supporters for

CO, Minnesota, and Oklahoma. Those are good solid states from different regions of the country. This will continue, no one is going away

[99th_Monkey]

106. Thank you for your civil and respectful congrats

same to you guy on your wins tonight... gotcha lotsa delegates. well done.

[still_one]

109. Believe me, the Sanders' wins tonight threw a lot of us off balance

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. I am not surprised this remained competitive

and I said as much yesterday.

And personally I am happy as punch. I like competitive primaries.

[Marr]

117. I only *hoped* he might get 3, so yes-- great showing.

Super Tuesday was always Hillary's advantage. Sanders is doing surprisingly well here. Should be interesting as this thing goes forward.

[99th_Monkey]

119. Yes, maybe they'll buy their own spin. .. would be nice.

oh.. speaking of champaign ... just for tonight .. maybe we Bernistas
deserve a glass or two. It was an awesome night, here's to many more
wins down the road.