Super Tuesday wasn't the slaughter the Clinton campaign was hoping for.

[Joe the Revelator]

How did the polls let her down in the west and mid-west?

[grasswire]

1. that's right

when I saw the delegate count, I was surprised how much better Bernie had done than the expectations yesterday.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I was thinking that tomorrow it would be time to start packing it in. I thought the only sure shot..

...was VT. Egg on my face.

[kstewart33]

3. Not a great night, Joe.

Two caucus states and Oklahoma does not a Revolution make. Oops, forgot his home state, too.

[mattvermont]

8. minnesota? nt

[99th_Monkey]

14. Bernie had a great night, and nearly won Mass. too (3% spread)

Hillarians were pre-gloating about Bernie 'only going to win VT'.

Ha! didn't happen that way. better get used to it, Bernie's stronger
states are coming up soonish.

[reformist2]

4. The night started with Hillary strong, but ended showing that Bernie is still very much in this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Nope, this is a very competitive race

and it will get much dirtier

Check 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday,_2008

[JaneyVee]

6. Yeah it was. She has almost 2x his delegate count, plus...

She barely spent money in those states and managed to win one (MA). Upcoming polls, not including Florida where shes up big. Thos will force him to spend more or cede all of these states to her. Which runs up her delegate count YUGE.

[Grassy Knoll]

7. Let Me Tie These For You...

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Come on man

[Grassy Knoll]

11. Just Tie'en To Help n/t

[theboss]

9. It kind of was

She cruised all over the South with amazing margins and won Massachusetts, which Bernie absolutely positively had to win.

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Why "had to win?" She's going to end up beating him there by about three delegates.

If Bernie had won Mass, that was never going to be by more than a handful of delegates, either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. No he did not

here, check 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday,_2008

He actually won by a narrower margin... now we move to a friendlier race for Sanders.

This you can check on line yourself, really.

[redstateblues]

12. Losing Mass was a big surprise

Bernie really thought he was going to win

[HooptieWagon]

18. How so? Hillary led in polling,...

...and she beat Obama by 16 pts in '08. I'm sure Sanders wanted to win, and worked hard at it, and he came pretty close. Delegates will be nearly 50/50 split. With almost all the conservative southern states out of the way, Sanders will start winning more states. And his Feb fundraising was thru the roof...while Clinton is facing money shortages.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Good points

and AK is still to come in

[Hortensis]

13. No, silly. We weren't hoping for a slaughter.

That vast majority of us, anyway. That wouldn't be pleasant for Bernie or for his many nice followers, and he intends to stay in the race, so a few little wins work for both sides. In the end we want to be facing the GOP shoulder to shoulder.

Without any horrible slaughter, Hillary has almost double the delegates Bernie does, though, and that does feel good -- as in no stress before but even less going on. She's almost literally uncatchable now, and that is fine with people like me. Just plain literally will be even better, but Bernie will still be picking up delegates and maybe a state or two here and there even then.

I'm a liberal. Generally speaking, this is a lot more how liberals are than wanting to slaughter opponents unnecessarily would be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Again, do check the 2008 primary

just trying to help. This is a very competitive race still By the way that pleases me to no end. I like contested primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday,_2008

[Hortensis]

19. Nadine, in 2008 a bunch of zealots were supporting

a candidate who was not Bernie, and very predictably they behaved very much in the way some of Bernie's more...ardent left wingers behave now. Remember, the PUMAs hyperpartisan over Hillary and their extreme behavior when Obama presented himself as the opponent to be hated.? See? Take another look at Hillary's GDP in 2008, Bernie's GDP now, Hillary's GDP in 2008, Bernie's GDP now.

You may remember that article by Joe Conason, "Questions for Hillary's Zealots." Apparently the PUMAs ended up bitter and all over the place, but no doubt some are right here again, just without the rather dishonored label.

Bottom line, the names of the candidate change from election to election, but the personalities of voters do not. Some people seemingly are born to rage whenever things don't go right for them and some to wonder what on earth is going on with the others.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. What I am saying is this is still very competitive

and I am not the only one happy as punch about that one, but for vastly different reasons. CNN could not be happier, they like horse races. I like policy. Also she was leading in delegate count at this point of the race.

[Hortensis]

22. There's still plenty of competition for air time

to present their messages to the nation. Sure. I'm with you. Horse race coverage is worse than worthless. Policy coverage, though, can educate the electorate and help us beat the GOP candidate.

Delegate abandonment as an enduring hope, though?! I don't think anyone should hope Bernie suddenly turns black or Hispanic overnight. If he did, it could be deja vu all over again for Hillary. Let's not forget, though, how long and how badly his antagonistic and antagonizing DUers offended many in just our own black electorate. It is unlikely to be forgotten or forgiven soon.

[Hortensis]

24. Nadine, tell your story again without insults and attacks

on others or the people they choose to represent them and I expect you will get an entirely different reaction. Some people can be so sure of their beliefs that they don't even realize that others might be offended at how those beliefs portray them.

Your view of Hillary voters, who come from many different places, as nasty bullies is typical of what I'm referring to and also very divorced from reality. Here on DU, an anonymous political discussion forum, we tend to get exasperated by each other and behave in ways we would not elsewhere, but we are a very, very tiny and unusual community, and what is said here has nothing at all to do with how people behave in grocery stores or polling booths, or how they think. They literally don't know DU even exists.

As for 1930s Germany, I believe also that we are sliding toward fascism but disagree that things are as bad as you imagine, or in the ways you imagine. It is very typical of people on the far left and the far right to constantly believe that catastrophe is imminent, any and all events of a large, violent world being taken as evidence of impending disaster. I can't help you with that except to suggest the idea that living with an irrational degree of anxiety about the near future, if not controlled, could conceivably be as real a problem as depression.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. You do not understand

some of these folks are indeed bullies and have been bullies for over a decade. So not, I will not forget or forgive them. And we are talking of very specific people... and they have done that to other folks, They are consistently doing this. They are a group of about 70, and I got names.

As to things not being as bad... depends on who we "elect" when all is said and done.

[Hortensis]

27. Yes, as a newcomer with no talent for politicking,

that is something I do not understand. Many of the references to people, events of the past, and things going on pass right over my head unless someone's finally explicit enough to clue me in -- somewhat. Usually I'm still mostly in the dark. But that's okay with me. I don't want a list of 70 names. Peace.

[mhatrw]

26. Let's see! Because the polls were rigged just like the economy, the political system,

the corporate media coverage, and the voting machines in the deep red states?