Are we a reality-based community? Then here is reality: Bernie Sanders Lost the Nomination Yest

[riversedge]

yes, he did



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Are we a reality-based community? Then here is reality: Bernie Sanders Lost the Nomination Yesterday
By ArkDem14
Wednesday Mar 02, 2016 · 6:10 AM CST




Let me speak here first and foremost as a proponent of sound, logical assessments and outlines of fact based reality that Dkos prides itself on. Two caveats: First, I am NOT saying Sanders should drop out. Second, I am not saying the Democratic primary is literally over, as Sanders will continue to be on the ballot, and I’m aware no one has technically come close to getting the delegates needed to put the nomination away. Okay?

So let’s move on first to the incredible goal-post moving with Massachusetts. Okay, that goal post moving isn't so surprising. Some Sanders’ supporters have put some damned good spin on Massachusetts. “Clinton brand is strong here. She won the state by 16 points in 2008 even with almost all the establishment backing Obama. What a fantastic victory.” It’s logical on the surface, but if there is a key flaw it’s making out 2008 to be an “anti-establishment vs establishment” race, and saying the dynamics of 2016 are both the same and that Clinton is getting support from the same groups of voters, when its very much different. Okay, in 2008, Obama was not anti-establishment, after South Carolina he consistently lead Hillary Clinton in getting superdelegates, loads of big establishment figures were in his corner, and the race was also not, as per revisionist histories, breaking down on liberal versus conservative, as Hillary Clinton got roughly the same percentage of votes with self-described liberal Democrats as she did overall in the primary. So here are the two links you need to read to catch up to the true significance of Massachusetts this time: 538, and NYT coverage of the primary results in the second link.

Sanders State by State Benchmarks..............................

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. You wish.

"Reality" is that 3/4s of the country hasn't voted yet.

[revbones]

2. ....

You Hillary supporters! Crazy fun.

[VulgarPoet]

3. :l

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Here's some more reality: We have a corrupt political system favors those who have money.

Which is why Bernie wants to change it.

[AgingAmerican]

5. Why do you hate Democracy?

[gcomeau]

6. Here's a slightly more real reality

1. He hasn't lost the nomination until he's mathematically eliminated. Which is nowhere NEAR happening.

2. People pushing this nonsense as "the reality" are doing so because they know damn well it isn't the reality and they desperately want to discourage people from realizing that to demotivate them from voting so they can make it the reality.


Nice try. Run along now.

[VulgarPoet]

10. +1.

There's still a lot of the primary to go. I'd hoped we could get to the endgame civilly, but apparently not.

[Lizzie Poppet]

13. The "it's over, you stubborn peasants!!" screeching has been getting more and more desperate.

Unfortunately, it may work. Enough Bernie voters may be fooled by the bullshit propaganda to think it's hopeless and thus seal the deal for Hillary, Inc®.

[brooklynite]

22. You must have been sad when Dennis Kucinich dropped out in January of 2008...

After all, there were all those States that hadn't voted and they COULD have gone for him, right?

[gcomeau]

23. If you think...

...that Sander's situation is in even the remotest sense comparable to that of a candidate who I believe never broke 4% support in national polling and peaked at 7% support in his own home state I both pity you and wonder why you are on the internet without adult supervision.


Or... and this is the other option... you know perfectly well what you just posted is facetious bullshit but you went ahead and posted it anyway.

[Jester Messiah]

7. Your doomsaying is transparent and pathetic. n/t

[misterhighwasted]

8. Yes he did, however ya can't lose what ya never had in the first place.

Kinda eases the emotional process when you realize the truth of it all.

It was a fun ride however, & there'll always be the memories.
Best wishes, but now we win the GE & take the heart out of D.C. Replican gridlock and we all move forward again.

[SidDithers]

9. DU rec...

these numbers agree with what I've been posting this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511394247

Sid

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. And this, boys and girls. is wishful thinking at its most transparent.

Clinton will peak abut mid-month, then lose ground all the way until the convention. Whether she'll lose enough ground to permit an actual progressive to gain the nomination is very much in doubt.

[Armstead]

12. Reality is that we're all worm food eventually. So it doesn't matter in the cosmic scheme

The reality you present is just subjective interpretation

[Shadowflash]

14. the op isn't even worth a response, but

[lunamagica]

15. K&R. Looks like a lot of those responding didn't even read the article

[Matariki]

19. Can't see any good reason to

based on what's in the OP

[GeorgeGist]

16. Is that you Bill?

[dinkytron]

17. RiversEdge, why are your panties always in a knot? l

[riversedge]

25. Grow up.

[Adrahil]

18. Bookmarking all these.

In less than a month, this will be effectively over, and I want to reminisce about all cock-eyed optimists!

[riversedge]

26. :-)

[restorefreedom]

20. cool story bro nt

[sadoldgirl]

21. Dear me, already?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. No, we absolutely aren't.

DU is, and has always been, a faith-based community.

The very high number of people who still think Sanders is going to win is just one obvious symptom of that. (I would also argue that the widespread support for Sanders is another, but that's more controversial - preferring a Sanders victory may just come from interpreting evidence very differently indeed to me, whereas predicting one can essentially only come from deliberately ignoring it).

Most of the clocks here are stopped at about the right time of day. But it doesn't take much conversation to see that they're not ticking.

[RufusTFirefly]

27. retrowire made a great point in another thread...

The media is saying that Hillary has "secured the nomination" and that Bernie should pack it up.

But somehow that logic doesn't work in the Republican race where they don't exactly want Trump to win.

On THAT side, they're saying Cruz (who lost by greater margins than Bernie lost to Hillary) "lives to fight another day".

Yet, they don't apply that logic to Bernie. No, he's done for. See how that's backwards?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1395085

[kristopher]

28. Sounds like someone on acid experiencing a profound revelation...

...on the nature of reality.

[leveymg]

29. Here's another more important reality: HRC is unelectable and turning

off a quarter of Democratic voters who showed up in 2008 but aren't appearing at Party primaries this year. She may win the nomination only to get trounced by Republicans and Independents in the GE.