2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump wants to make America more like Denmark
As the Donald Trump campaign rolls on, the secret to his success is becoming clear: his promise to make America more like Denmark.
Say what? The Donald rarely if ever mentions the land of Lego, though Ted Cruz did once accuse him of being crazy enough to bomb it. Denmark is Bernie Sanderss utopia a Scandinavian social democracy with free health care and college, whose enlightened rulers have gone a long way to ending the enormous anxieties that come with economic insecurity, as Sanders once put it.
Well, actually, the package Trump offers save Social Security without cuts, a vaguely pro-single-payer position on health care, plus temporarily banning Muslims and walling off Mexico bears an eerie resemblance to the Danish governments current policy mix.
His astonishing success selling it to the Republican base may portend ideological convergence between the U.S. right and Europes.
But thats not the whole story. Trump also led among the 51 percent of GOP voters who support tax increases for those with incomes over $200,000; the 47 percent who favor a higher minimum wage; the 32 percent who favor government paying necessary medical costs for every American citizen; and the 38 percent who like labor unions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)I think he is far more liberal than people give him credit for, but in a dumb way. Mixed with misogyny and racism.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)spit her out. They will forget all about the primaries and Trump will attack Hillary on everything that progressives have been saying is wrong with Hillary since 1993. He's going to co-ops the economic side of the Democratic platform and use it like a nuclear weapon against her.
She needs to be ousted in the PRIMARY, not the general election.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)But, I don't think he is going to spend his own money to win. Will PAC's support Trump enough to win? Knowing that he might possibly be to the left of HRC?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Hillary lies about on economic issues.
Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm beginning to think this does belong in GD P.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)the situation considering her vilification of progressive issues currently going on during a Democratic primary.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)My point was clearly going in a much different direction. Wow. Have at it.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)anymore.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)with the exception of their views on immigrants.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)racism. Clinton has (arrogantly) begin moving to the right-wing on economics by supporting payday loans and supporting a treasury secretary that wants to privatize Social Security and she still hasn't confidently come out against the TPP.
Except when you investigate his actual proposals, his progressive rhetoric is just rhetoric.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)They aren't taking him seriously, or they wouldn't be supporting the candidate that Trump WANTS to run against, badly.
Jim__
(14,072 posts)An essay in the March 10 issue of the New York Review of Books talks about Denmarks policies on immigrants.
An excerpt:
[center]A cartoon published by the Danish newspaper Politiken showing Inger Støjberg, the countrys integration minister, lighting candles on a Christmas tree that has a dead asylum-seeker as an ornament, December 2015[/center]
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When it comes to refugees, however, Denmark has long led the continent in its shift to the rightand in its growing domestic consensus that large-scale Muslim immigration is incompatible with European social democracy. To the visitor, the countrys resistance to immigrants from Africa and the Middle East can seem implacable. In last Junes Danish national electionmonths before the Syrian refugee crisis hit Europethe debate centered around whether the incumbent, center-left Social Democrats or their challengers, the center-right Liberal Party, were tougher on asylum-seekers. The main victor was the Danish Peoples Party, a populist, openly anti-immigration party, which drew 21 percent of the vote, its best performance ever. Its founder, Pia Kjærsgaard, for years known for suggesting that Muslims are at a lower stage of civilization, is now speaker of the Danish parliament. With the backing of the Danish Peoples Party, the center-right Liberals formed a minority government that has taken one of the hardest lines on refugees of any European nation.
When I arrived in Copenhagen last August, the new government, under Liberal Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, had just cut social benefits to refugees by 45 percent. There was talk among Danish politicians and in the Danish press of an invasion from the Middle Eastthough the influx at the time was occurring in the Greek islands, more than one thousand miles away. In early September, Denmark began taking out newspaper ads in Lebanon and Jordan warning would-be asylum-seekers not to come. And by November, the Danish government announced that it could no longer accept the modest share of one thousand refugees assigned to Denmark under an EU redistribution agreement, because Italy and Greece had lost control of their borders.
These developments culminated in late January of this year, when Rasmussens minister of integration, Inger Støjberg, a striking, red-headed forty-two-year-old who has come to represent the governments aggressive anti-refugee policies, succeeded in pushing through parliament an asylum austerity law that has gained notoriety across Europe. The new law, which passed with support from the Social Democrats as well as the Danish Peoples Party, permits police to strip-search asylum-seekers and confiscate their cash and most valuables above 10,000 Danish kroner ($1,460) to pay for their accommodation; delays the opportunity to apply for family reunification by up to three years; forbids asylum-seekers from residing outside refugee centers, some of which are tent encampments; reduces the cash benefits they can receive; and makes it significantly harder to qualify for permanent residence. One aim, a Liberal MP explained to me, is simply to make Denmark less attractive to foreigners.
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KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Doesn't matter how many free college educations you throw at people, if minorities have to live in fear of their lives and livelihoods. Doesn't matter how free the health care is if half the population is denied basic care in the form of reproductive health care.
Besides, Denmark doesn't have single payer anyway - none of the Scandinavian countries do. We have government-run health care, where all pretty much all the hospitals are state-owned, and pretty much all doctors work within a government framework.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)That's sure to win votes.
The people who agree with Clinton on economics are generally going to vote for the Republican, no matter what.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)I didn't bring either Sanders or Clinton into it. But I see that once again the only defense Sanders supporters have for their support of Sanders (and Trump?) is to ask what Clinton will do. Pretty weak, if you ask me.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Trump is winning because he understands that the 2016 race is about the very definition of America itself. For candidates like Rubio following the pace set by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton it's about embracing a new, more diverse, more tolerant country. For Trumpers, it's precisely the opposite. They want to put the Obama genie back in the bottle and fight vigorously for the traditional notion of Americanness, at home and abroad, even if it means jettisoning some of the GOP donor class's ideological bugaboos.
● On trade, he wants to revise existing deals and replace them with ones that the United States will "win."
● On foreign policy, he is suspicious of idealistic ventures but willing to be maximally brutal and maximally avaricious when force does need to be used.
● On drug prices, he wants the US government to stop acting like the biggest sucker in the world by letting itself get ripped off by rootless multinational firms.
● On immigration, what really needs to be said.
● Trump's speeches these days also loudly and proudly invoke support for veterans and law enforcement, identifying his movement with the agents of the state.
● More subtly, Trump breaks with conservative orthodoxy by opposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare, positions that research by Donald Kinder and Cindy Kam find to be associated with white ethnocentric sentiment.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11135756/donald-trump-nationalism
Codeine
(25,586 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)and has a progressive agenda? That is utterly bizarre.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)It's not brand new rhetoric. This train of thought runs beneath *all* of the right-wing, anti-immigration talk.
The problem is that since the DLC took over and Clinton signed NAFTA in 1993, the conservatives have been voting Republican on social issues. Democratic economic issues kept them on board with the Democrats until Clinton cut those ties, and the very next year Democrats lost the entire nation to the Republicans in a landslide.
We are where we are today, because of Clinton's pro-corporate policies.
Bernie Sanders can bring them back to voting for Democrats and talk sense into them on ethnic equality, but Clinton will lose their souls to fascism.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)it.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)to cover your corporate cronyism.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)For myself: I don't believe either of them. I don't believe Trump, because I know he's a liar and even his rhetoric isn't logical when you think about it for a little while. And I don't believe Clinton because I've researched and watched her for years and years.