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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:18 PM Mar 2016

Trump wants to make America more like Denmark

As the Donald Trump campaign rolls on, the secret to his success is becoming clear: his promise to make America more like Denmark.

Say what? The Donald rarely if ever mentions the land of Lego, though Ted Cruz did once accuse him of being crazy enough to bomb it. Denmark is Bernie Sanders’s utopia — a Scandinavian social democracy with free health care and college, whose enlightened rulers have “gone a long way to ending the enormous anxieties that come with economic insecurity,” as Sanders once put it.

Well, actually, the package Trump offers — “save Social Security without cuts,” a vaguely pro-single-payer position on health care, plus temporarily banning Muslims and walling off Mexico — bears an eerie resemblance to the Danish government’s current policy mix.

His astonishing success selling it to the Republican base may portend ideological convergence between the U.S. right and Europe’s.

But that’s not the whole story. Trump also led among the 51 percent of GOP voters who support tax increases for those with incomes over $200,000; the 47 percent who favor a higher minimum wage; the 32 percent who favor “government paying necessary medical costs for every American citizen”; and the 38 percent who like labor unions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html

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Trump wants to make America more like Denmark (Original Post) w4rma Mar 2016 OP
Interesting ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #1
I keep saying that American voters have the memory of a goldfish. Trump is going to eat Hillary and w4rma Mar 2016 #2
Hmm, that's interesting as well ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #8
His tax plan is a goldmine for the super wealthy. His rhetoric is simply the same kind of lies that w4rma Mar 2016 #14
He's That Guy from Futurama Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #3
Truth! (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #5
With some of the rhetoric at DU after SC.... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #4
His rhetoric is dangerous and Hillary has zero plans to counter it. I doubt she even understands w4rma Mar 2016 #6
OK. I just don't know what to say to that. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #7
Yep. I don't even bother alerting on this crap sufrommich Mar 2016 #10
I have no problem with the Denmark model SheenaR Mar 2016 #9
Exactly. He's taking progressive policy and making it palatable to right-wingers by couching it in w4rma Mar 2016 #11
Here you forgot these.. one_voice Mar 2016 #12
I'm not cheering for the Nazi. I'm trying to get the neoliberal wing to start taking him seriously. w4rma Mar 2016 #13
Denmark pretty much agrees with Trump on immigration policy too. Jim__ Mar 2016 #15
If your liberalism is mixed with racism and misogyny, it isn't liberalism. KitSileya Mar 2016 #16
What is Hillary going to do to counter it? Insult everyone who didn't vote for her in the primary? w4rma Mar 2016 #17
I was contesting the idea that anything Trump and the Republicans believe in is liberalism KitSileya Mar 2016 #19
Donald Trump ditched free market ideology for nationalism — and it's working w4rma Mar 2016 #20
The DU Political Rehabilitation of Trump continues apace nt Codeine Mar 2016 #24
Strange,isn't it? sufrommich Mar 2016 #25
I think it's strange that Clinton supporters read that article as if it's a positive. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #28
Like Denmark? I suspect by that Trump means 99.9% white. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #18
That's the racist part of the picture, but not the entire picture that voters will see. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #21
Trump is P.T. Barnam mixed with Adolf Eichman olddots Mar 2016 #22
Exactly. All three are, and were, dangerous men. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #23
So first he gets republican support by being a racist xenophobe, then switches on them thereismore Mar 2016 #26
Sort of. But these policies are what they *want*. They just want it to come from a racist, instead. w4rma Mar 2016 #27
God, that's a disgusting underbelly of the American electoral politics! Clintons are in the midst of thereismore Mar 2016 #31
Exactly. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #34
Nice try but we aren't the racists you lie to others about mmonk Mar 2016 #29
No, he doesn't. yardwork Mar 2016 #30
And Clinton's problem is that nobody believes her either. w4rma Mar 2016 #33
Fuck Trump. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #32

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
1. Interesting
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

I think he is far more liberal than people give him credit for, but in a dumb way. Mixed with misogyny and racism.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
2. I keep saying that American voters have the memory of a goldfish. Trump is going to eat Hillary and
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

spit her out. They will forget all about the primaries and Trump will attack Hillary on everything that progressives have been saying is wrong with Hillary since 1993. He's going to co-ops the economic side of the Democratic platform and use it like a nuclear weapon against her.

She needs to be ousted in the PRIMARY, not the general election.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
8. Hmm, that's interesting as well
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

But, I don't think he is going to spend his own money to win. Will PAC's support Trump enough to win? Knowing that he might possibly be to the left of HRC?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
14. His tax plan is a goldmine for the super wealthy. His rhetoric is simply the same kind of lies that
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary lies about on economic issues.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
6. His rhetoric is dangerous and Hillary has zero plans to counter it. I doubt she even understands
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

the situation considering her vilification of progressive issues currently going on during a Democratic primary.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. OK. I just don't know what to say to that.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

My point was clearly going in a much different direction. Wow. Have at it.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
11. Exactly. He's taking progressive policy and making it palatable to right-wingers by couching it in
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

racism. Clinton has (arrogantly) begin moving to the right-wing on economics by supporting payday loans and supporting a treasury secretary that wants to privatize Social Security and she still hasn't confidently come out against the TPP.

Except when you investigate his actual proposals, his progressive rhetoric is just rhetoric.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
13. I'm not cheering for the Nazi. I'm trying to get the neoliberal wing to start taking him seriously.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

They aren't taking him seriously, or they wouldn't be supporting the candidate that Trump WANTS to run against, badly.

Jim__

(14,072 posts)
15. Denmark pretty much agrees with Trump on immigration policy too.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

An essay in the March 10 issue of the New York Review of Books talks about Denmarks policies on immigrants.

An excerpt:

[center][/center]
[center]A cartoon published by the Danish newspaper Politiken showing Inger Støjberg, the country’s integration minister, lighting candles on a Christmas tree that has a dead asylum-­seeker as an ornament, December 2015[/center]
[hr]
...

When it comes to refugees, however, Denmark has long led the continent in its shift to the right—and in its growing domestic consensus that large-scale Muslim immigration is incompatible with European social democracy. To the visitor, the country’s resistance to immigrants from Africa and the Middle East can seem implacable. In last June’s Danish national election—months before the Syrian refugee crisis hit Europe—the debate centered around whether the incumbent, center-left Social Democrats or their challengers, the center-right Liberal Party, were tougher on asylum-seekers. The main victor was the Danish People’s Party, a populist, openly anti-immigration party, which drew 21 percent of the vote, its best performance ever. Its founder, Pia Kjærsgaard, for years known for suggesting that Muslims “are at a lower stage of civilization,” is now speaker of the Danish parliament. With the backing of the Danish People’s Party, the center-right Liberals formed a minority government that has taken one of the hardest lines on refugees of any European nation.

When I arrived in Copenhagen last August, the new government, under Liberal Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, had just cut social benefits to refugees by 45 percent. There was talk among Danish politicians and in the Danish press of an “invasion” from the Middle East—though the influx at the time was occurring in the Greek islands, more than one thousand miles away. In early September, Denmark began taking out newspaper ads in Lebanon and Jordan warning would-be asylum-seekers not to come. And by November, the Danish government announced that it could no longer accept the modest share of one thousand refugees assigned to Denmark under an EU redistribution agreement, because Italy and Greece had lost control of their borders.

These developments culminated in late January of this year, when Rasmussen’s minister of integration, Inger Støjberg, a striking, red-headed forty-two-year-old who has come to represent the government’s aggressive anti-refugee policies, succeeded in pushing through parliament an “asylum austerity” law that has gained notoriety across Europe. The new law, which passed with support from the Social Democrats as well as the Danish People’s Party, permits police to strip-search asylum-seekers and confiscate their cash and most valuables above 10,000 Danish kroner ($1,460) to pay for their accommodation; delays the opportunity to apply for family reunification by up to three years; forbids asylum-seekers from residing outside refugee centers, some of which are tent encampments; reduces the cash benefits they can receive; and makes it significantly harder to qualify for permanent residence. One aim, a Liberal MP explained to me, is simply to “make Denmark less attractive to foreigners.”

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KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
16. If your liberalism is mixed with racism and misogyny, it isn't liberalism.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

Doesn't matter how many free college educations you throw at people, if minorities have to live in fear of their lives and livelihoods. Doesn't matter how free the health care is if half the population is denied basic care in the form of reproductive health care.

Besides, Denmark doesn't have single payer anyway - none of the Scandinavian countries do. We have government-run health care, where all pretty much all the hospitals are state-owned, and pretty much all doctors work within a government framework.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
17. What is Hillary going to do to counter it? Insult everyone who didn't vote for her in the primary?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:16 PM
Mar 2016

That's sure to win votes.

The people who agree with Clinton on economics are generally going to vote for the Republican, no matter what.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
19. I was contesting the idea that anything Trump and the Republicans believe in is liberalism
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't bring either Sanders or Clinton into it. But I see that once again the only defense Sanders supporters have for their support of Sanders (and Trump?) is to ask what Clinton will do. Pretty weak, if you ask me.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
20. Donald Trump ditched free market ideology for nationalism — and it's working
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

Trump is winning because he understands that the 2016 race is about the very definition of America itself. For candidates like Rubio — following the pace set by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton — it's about embracing a new, more diverse, more tolerant country. For Trumpers, it's precisely the opposite. They want to put the Obama genie back in the bottle and fight vigorously for the traditional notion of Americanness, at home and abroad, even if it means jettisoning some of the GOP donor class's ideological bugaboos.

● On trade, he wants to revise existing deals and replace them with ones that the United States will "win."

● On foreign policy, he is suspicious of idealistic ventures but willing to be maximally brutal and maximally avaricious when force does need to be used.

● On drug prices, he wants the US government to stop acting like the biggest sucker in the world by letting itself get ripped off by rootless multinational firms.

● On immigration, what really needs to be said.

● Trump's speeches these days also loudly and proudly invoke support for veterans and law enforcement, identifying his movement with the agents of the state.

● More subtly, Trump breaks with conservative orthodoxy by opposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare, positions that research by Donald Kinder and Cindy Kam find to be associated with white ethnocentric sentiment.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11135756/donald-trump-nationalism

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
26. So first he gets republican support by being a racist xenophobe, then switches on them
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

and has a progressive agenda? That is utterly bizarre.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
27. Sort of. But these policies are what they *want*. They just want it to come from a racist, instead.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

It's not brand new rhetoric. This train of thought runs beneath *all* of the right-wing, anti-immigration talk.

The problem is that since the DLC took over and Clinton signed NAFTA in 1993, the conservatives have been voting Republican on social issues. Democratic economic issues kept them on board with the Democrats until Clinton cut those ties, and the very next year Democrats lost the entire nation to the Republicans in a landslide.

We are where we are today, because of Clinton's pro-corporate policies.

Bernie Sanders can bring them back to voting for Democrats and talk sense into them on ethnic equality, but Clinton will lose their souls to fascism.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
31. God, that's a disgusting underbelly of the American electoral politics! Clintons are in the midst of
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:04 PM
Mar 2016

it.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
33. And Clinton's problem is that nobody believes her either.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

For myself: I don't believe either of them. I don't believe Trump, because I know he's a liar and even his rhetoric isn't logical when you think about it for a little while. And I don't believe Clinton because I've researched and watched her for years and years.

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