2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat the Ever-Loving EFF? Obama and Biden endorsing Murphy in Florida Senate Primary?
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/barack-obama-joe-biden-endorse-patrick-murphy-in-floridas-us-senate-race/2267577This guy's has been a Republican for a long time, turned into a member of the Democratic Party in 2011-- I think to run against West. He is pretty conservative in his voting with a yes vote for the pipeline in his short time in office.
And Alan Grayson is his opponent.
Who just announced support (delegate vote) for Bernie Sanders.
Well, that just tells me all I need to know about the Clinton machine, Hillary's "firewalls" and the DNC--puts it all together.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,868 posts)So I am glad to see our President and VP doing what they can to pick up this seat. Does anyone here honestly think Grayson could win that seat?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)eilen
(4,950 posts)DNC/DWS/Reid/etc.
They are endorsing a guy who raises lots of money.
It's all about the money.
(obviously, it's not about principle, ethics or progressive values)
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)do with the "Clinton Machine," don't you know? They are SO powerful.
treestar
(82,383 posts)EVERYTHING is about Bernie. So if Grayson endorses Bernie and Obama supports Grayson's opponent, it must be because he is trying to persecute Grayson for supporting Bernie.
still_one
(92,116 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Makes the party look awful. And he is "feeling the bern" which Obama definitely is not.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You start right wing, you stay right wing.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)For supporters of Murphy, being a Republican in Democrat's clothing is a feature, not a bug.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Governing is serious business, and Grayson has proven to many that he is simply not balanced enough to do it. And frankly, given that Obama's endorsement came shortly after Grayson's endorsement of Bernie I think Obama is trying to tell you something.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)So Elizabeth Warren must also still be "right wing"?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That was a one-off and can't be repeated.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)She's the result of a system that's broken and won't fix itself. Since change isn't coming from the establishment, it's coming from the people whom the establishment has horrified.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Compromises, even stinky ones, will be made.
What do you base this on?
G_j
(40,366 posts)ok...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Murphy is a much stronger general election candidate...
To carry Florida a Democrat needs to win south Florida big, stay even in the center of the state, and mitigate his or her losses in Northern Florida or what us Floridian refer to as southern Georgia. Patrick Murphy can do that, IMHO, Alan Grayson can not.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If Murphy is right wing now, he can't ever be anything else.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
rpannier
(24,329 posts)And I disagree with both of them
bvf
(6,604 posts)Another yank to the right. "Democrat" has pretty much all but lost its meaning, but lots of people will respond to it like Pavlov's dogs.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Only "Democrats" who have been Democrats for less than a year are true Democrats.
bvf
(6,604 posts)If you would rather respond to the ring of a bell, that's fine with me.
Be sure to wear a bib.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)My Congressman is the GOP candidate. He'll probably win, if the choices are republican vs. republican-lite.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)PPP - Florida Senate (March 1, 2016)
Alan Grayson: 33%
Patrick Murphy: 22%
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)
kristopher This message was self-deleted by its author.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)How well is Florida Governor Crist doing?
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...that she likes to foist on Floridian Democrats.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and the video clearly proves it. Take that RW crap elsewhere.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Of course you don't, but you get my point.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Beyond his wife's accusations, this is all I could find:
http://www.wesh.com/politics/domestic-violence-injunction-against-rep-alan-grayson-dropped/24944322
The domestic violence injunction against Rep. Alan Grayson was dropped Wednesday afternoon after Lolita Carson-Grayson, Grayson's wife, filed a voluntary dismissal.
Grayson's wife filed for the injunction following an alleged attack at their Orlando home, but video surfaced showing Lolita was the person who became violent during the altercation earlier this month.
"While this is certainly positive news, we want to emphasize that these baseless charges should never have been brought in the first place. Two eyewitness accounts, video evidence, a thorough police investigation, and Ms. Carson-Grayson's own 911 call confirmed the Congressman's innocence - and that Ms. Carson-Grayson was, in fact, the aggressor," Lauren Doney, Grayson's spokeswoman, said in a statement.
Last week, law enforcement officials announced that Grayson would not be charged in the domestic incident.
Video: Rep. Alan Grayson denies domestic violence allegations
"Investigators have interviewed Lolita Carson-Grayson, Alan Grayson, and others and reviewed the evidence. In this instance probable cause does not exist to effect an arrest on Alan Grayson," said a release from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Don't have the time right now, but there IS evidence to the contrary. I just have to dig it up. I have some home work to do right now, yes even at my age, but I WILL dig it up!
djean111
(14,255 posts)I will be voting for Grayson. I don't have to live with him, but I do have to live with what a senator from Florida votes for, and we already have one DINO. Not voting for another damn one.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)You're fine with supporting somebody who beats his wife as long as he's not beating you? Really?
I mean, I could understand if you said something like "the allegations aren't proven and I don't believe them" but it seems that you DO believe them and you're saying that it just doesn't matter to you? Am I understanding this correctly?
Lorien
(31,935 posts)has faced from a number of women? Do you really want to go there?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Isn't running for senator. And I'm a Bernie supporter.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)If I thought that Bill Clinton had actually raped anybody, I would be disgusted with him and I would never vote for him again.
But I would never, ever say "I don't have to live with him, so I don't mind supporting him."
See the difference?
silenttigersong
(957 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)We just have a string of women who say he did.
We don't have any proof that Bill Cosby raped anyone.
We just have a string of women who say he did.
See the difference?
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)As a rape survivor I am with her>Juinita Broderick!
riversedge
(70,182 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)Now before you get all defensive and alert on me,I have the right to believe who I choose to.I beleve Junita Broderick.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Beyond his wife's accusations, this is all I could find:
http://m.wesh.com/politics/domestic-violence-injunction-against-rep-alan-grayson-dropped/24944322
The domestic violence injunction against Rep. Alan Grayson was dropped Wednesday afternoon after Lolita Carson-Grayson, Grayson's wife, filed a voluntary dismissal.
Grayson's wife filed for the injunction following an alleged attack at their Orlando home, but video surfaced showing Lolita was the person who became violent during the altercation earlier this month.
"While this is certainly positive news, we want to emphasize that these baseless charges should never have been brought in the first place. Two eyewitness accounts, video evidence, a thorough police investigation, and Ms. Carson-Grayson's own 911 call confirmed the Congressman's innocence - and that Ms. Carson-Grayson was, in fact, the aggressor," Lauren Doney, Grayson's spokeswoman, said in a statement.
Last week, law enforcement officials announced that Grayson would not be charged in the domestic incident.
Video: Rep. Alan Grayson denies domestic violence allegations
"Investigators have interviewed Lolita Carson-Grayson, Alan Grayson, and others and reviewed the evidence. In this instance probable cause does not exist to effect an arrest on Alan Grayson," said a release from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)I don't know if the allegations are correct or not, and I have not accused him of being a wife beater. I am responding to a poster who appears to believe that the allegations are true, and doesn't care.
Maybe you accidentally responded to the wrong post.
think
(11,641 posts)So please stop making false claims about the congressman.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)"somebody who beats his wife" - you do NOT know that but you still made that CLAIM.
This is getting stupid. Let's face it - you are against Grayson because Clinton and Obama are for his opponent.
It's okay - just say it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)post. No, domestic violence is not okay with me - and I got a divorce on the grounds of physical cruelty. (quote from ex-husband - if you get the divorce on physical cruelty I will kill you) I don't know what happened between the Graysons.
I am also against serial womanizers and cheaters - but no one thinks this disqualifies Bill for anything, or disqualifies Hillary for anything, because she put up with it. Is she saying is doesn't matter?
Here is the real gist of my post - I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A DINO. MURPHY IS A DINO. DINOs, IMO, HURT LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR THIRD WAY BULLSHIT. Is that clear enough?
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Posting "I don't have to live with him..." implies that you think that there might be a good reason not to live with him.
Like you, I am very sensitive to this issue.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I don't know what happened there, neither do you, nobody does. Usually, Grayson is merely described as "unhinged" or "wealthy" - - which, oddly enough, describes Hillary, so I think the person who harps on Grayson's wealth is actually "unhinged". Or lacks logic skills. One of those.
And if a hedge fund manager is good enough for Hillary's daughter - what's the problem there?
The wife-beating thing is now being dragged out, so maybe Grayson is doing better than planned in the polls.
Anyway - not voting for any more DINOs.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Investing with his hedge fund is like pumping corporate "donations" in to the Clinton Family Fund - private quids in expectation of governmental contract pro quos
djean111
(14,255 posts)like we do!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)doing the violence. But hey why interrupt a righteous rant with facts!
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)abuse is a very serious subject with me but it does happen in reverse. I know this from personal experience. My son was in one for four years. He was 6'4" and a marine so he could have easily defended himself but chose not to. I respect you so please read post 56 before you continue accusing him of this very serious crime.
flaval
(17 posts)Will not vote for Murphy. He votes with the Republicans. The establishment and the DNC always seem to support the ex Republicans here in Florida. They did it with Crist also.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Ilsa
(61,692 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)He's a true left of center Dem, not a corporate/ Wall street tool. No way in hell that I'd ever support a GOP/ DWS toady like Murphy. If the DLC is trying to split the party, they're doing a great job of it!
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But let me guess- he agrees with her that terminally ill cancer patients should be put in prison for using medical marijuana.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)i get so tired of hearing there are no big policy differences between hc and bernie when hc wants to continue the disastrous war on drugs
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They campaign for crappy Democrats and then turn around and tell us we can't get stuff done because the crappy Democrat won't go along with it(like Lieberman). It is now obvious that they have no intention of enacting Democratic legislation. Sorry, not buying their crap anymore.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Hold the carrot in front of us, tell us to vote for them, but have no intention of ever letting us get the carrot. It's a shell game...as long as we play by their rules we lose. We have to refuse to play by their rules any longer, before we can get our rules.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and I'm sick of being a wall flower. They can find their own damn ride next time.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)weaselly assholes.
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)Csainvestor
(388 posts)I wonder if Grayson can help Bernie in florida?
Nyan
(1,192 posts)I'm jittery about Florida. Bernie and Alan must join forces.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)The Fascist warmongering party.
The fanatical bigot Fascist warmongering party.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)kydo
(2,679 posts)I can walk to the road that divides us. Was gonna say I could see it from my porch, but that would be a lie. But I often walk my dog there.
I am voting for Murphy in the primary. Made up my mind weeks before Grayson gave his delegate vote away in an online poll.
So I was kind of happy Obama and Biden agree with me. Those two are very smart awesome people.
randome
(34,845 posts)Instead of shouting "DINOs! TRAITORS!" as their first take-away. No reflection on their parts, just an automatic descent into unquestioning anger.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Why nominal conservatives would join DU ...
Me? ... I'm done wondering .. I just click them, and that's that ...
kydo
(2,679 posts)Because that is what it sounds like.
61. You gotta wonder
Why nominal conservatives would join DU ...
For the record, I am a very liberal long time member of DU. Been here since 2004. I just mostly lurk, hence my low post count. But "nominal conservative" is rather insulting.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Great choices in Florida, huh?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Politics makes strange bedfellows.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I do enjoy his fire and brimstone floor speeches, though!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Carlos Danger is a little gross, but man! He could give a righteous rant!
mcar
(42,298 posts)I want that senate seat in D hands. I used to like Grayson but his personal issues have caused me to lean to Murphy. He is the more solid pick.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Gothmog
(145,086 posts)Murphy is more electable in Florida and we need to win this Senate seat
Marr
(20,317 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I believe the powers that be should leave the voting to Floridians.
I don't know who I will vote for, but it should be my decision not theirs.
Tim Mahoney, FL Democrat : ''I don't owe the party anything"
This is what you get when your party leaders hightail it down to South Florida to pick a millionaire Republican to run as a Democrat while kicking good Democrats out of the race. Rahm Emanuel and Karen Thurman did just that when they recruited millionaire Republican businessman, Tim Mahoney, to run for Mark Foley's seat.
Here is more of what Tim Mahoney said:
Rep. Mahoney bites the hand that fed him
''I don't owe the party anything,'' said Mahoney, whose election helped the Democrats take control of Congress. ``If anybody owes anybody anything, it's Nancy Pelosi who owes a debt to me.''
Mahoney partly blames the dispute over Florida's convention delegates for his commitment problem, but it's clear the real reason he's distancing himself from a liberal Democrat is concern for his own survival. The GOP spent roughly $2 million against him in 2006; he faces three Republican challengers in 2008.
Mahoney is terribly afraid to be a Democrat, instead he will cower and make believe to be all things to all people.
Then Mahoney, handpicked Republican turned Democrat has to resign when people learned he had a mistress.
onecaliberal
(32,814 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Grayson has called for the investigation of all who use off shore tax havens while doing the something himself.
If a Republican did this we would go into holier then thou mode.
Hypocrisy matters even when it's from a "progressive champion."
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)That's ok now. Because well ... Because
Oh right. It's all about being a REAL Democrat.
He contributed to Romney's primary campaign against John McCain in 2008. The pre-Tea Party Romney of 2008 was barely related to the Romney who ran against Obama in 2012. Murphy supported Obama in that race.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)this is why we can't get all of our freebies...
jalan48
(13,855 posts)emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)So much that's been spread around about Grayson has been twisted by the RIGHT WING Democrats here in Florida! And there are a LOT of Right Wing Democrats here!
rpannier
(24,329 posts)Obama endorsed Crist in his bid to be governor and see how well that worked out?
So obviously they know what they're talking about
Or something like that
hay rick
(7,603 posts)Grayson initially endorsed Hillary. His switch to Sanders looks like a cynical attempt to find a progressive life raft after the New York Times article came out. I support Murphy because he runs a disciplined, professional, and energetic campaign. If he wins the primary I expect him to win the general. Grayson is an obvious time bomb. If he wins the primary I would be astonished if he won the general against even the most inept Republican opponent.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)That's the way DC rolls.
pansypoo53219
(20,969 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)understand just how much POWER they have down here. AND now Obama supporting Patrick Murphy just shows once again how far to the Right the Democratic Party has become.
Plus, Harry Reid end after Grayson who asked Floridians who they wanted him to endorse. I DO NOT care about the garbage people talk about regarding Grayson here, but so much of what was said about Hedge funds, etc., has been twisted into a huge pretzel.
Grayson has had the NERVE to speak his mind, but what he says it truthful! There are very few people in Congress who have the nerve to stand up to the corruption he's seen in THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
This state has ALREADY been called for Hillary AND I will say THE MACHINE is working hard to paint Bernie as something that slid out from under a rug!
But it just says more to me about Obama now as opposed to the one who ran for POTUS. The Clinton's are very devious underneath the POLISH they present to their subjects. Just seeing the people here who simply ACCEPT whatever she/they say as absolute truth is astounding to me. Even when FACTS clearly show the lies they tell, so many rush to her defense as if they were star struck.
But many here won't see or understand this if she's the nominee and should she win the election. Don't complain and call FOUL when you find that what you bought and waited to be delivered turns out to be NOTHING LIKE the picture you saw when your ordered it.
THEY have a past, there are many issues that have done damage to our country... but it's futile to argue with those who refuse to see. They're going to see what they see. BUT, those of us who want to move forward and try to reign in the MONEY & GREED that's taken over this country will have to PAY once again for those who STILL settle for what we have now.
All you have to do right at this moment is to look at what DWS is doing with the Repukes regarding the CFPB, and doing it right before an election and right under our noses! It's clear she & her Repuke friends down her will deliver Florida TO Hillary! She's waiting for her place in MADAME Hillary's Administration and DO NO be surprised how fast Hillary's noble rhetoric changes. Their thick as thieves and people here in Florida know how DWS "does" Democrat! I've always known she leaned very far to the right, but I'm now pretty much convinced she's a Repuke!
A real piece of work and I have no doubt she's always done for Hillary what Hillary wants. For many here I will only say... time will tell.
But, there is ONE thing that I don't think they really understand... they may take a good man like Bernie down, but people have started to FINALLY see the damage that's been done by the kind of Democrats we have now! People are now willing to step up to run against the entrenched people in office and many WILL succeed. It has started and I thank all that's good for BERNIE SANDERS for this!
But, I continue to believe he can pull this off. We just need people to watch at the polling places in their county. I know here in Florida our machines are used to "under count" votes. I've seen it happen because I always try to sign up for the last shift before the polls close. It seems there's ALWAYS two lock boxes that go to the Supervisor of Elections. One with the votes that GOT counted and ONE with votes that had problems going through the machine. They get put in another box to be counted by hand. I've also wondered how many votes get flipped by the machines too.
Voting by machine is the VERY WORST WAY TO VOTE! So it's good to have someone like Debbie here to lend a helping hand! One hand washes the other... DISGUSTING!
If Bernie wins FL my faith may be restored. I have seen many bumper stickers for him in this red county and when I go out and have my Bernie shirt on I ALWAYS have 1 or 2 people tell me they like my shirt. I have yet to see one Hillary bumper sticker... that's NO LIE either.
Outta here... just wanted to make my long comment!
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)No surprise whatsoever
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)TBF
(32,041 posts)but he is backing Bernie (and bucking the establishment) so I obviously need to send a donation his way.
New totals:
Contributions by Recipient
Recipient Contributions Total
Bernie Sanders 22 $1,650.00
Tim Canova 2 $35.00
Alan Grayson (Congress) 1 $20.00
Jesus "Chuy" Garcia 1 $10.00