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eilen

(4,950 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:44 PM Mar 2016

What the Ever-Loving EFF? Obama and Biden endorsing Murphy in Florida Senate Primary?

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/barack-obama-joe-biden-endorse-patrick-murphy-in-floridas-us-senate-race/2267577

This guy's has been a Republican for a long time, turned into a member of the Democratic Party in 2011-- I think to run against West. He is pretty conservative in his voting with a yes vote for the pipeline in his short time in office.

And Alan Grayson is his opponent.

Who just announced support (delegate vote) for Bernie Sanders.

Well, that just tells me all I need to know about the Clinton machine, Hillary's "firewalls" and the DNC--puts it all together.
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What the Ever-Loving EFF? Obama and Biden endorsing Murphy in Florida Senate Primary? (Original Post) eilen Mar 2016 OP
Because Grayson is unhinged! nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #1
Because TPP and all that Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #2
Every time someone says that, I donate another $20 to him. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #84
What does Obama and Biden endorsing Murphy have to do with the "Clinton Machine"? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #3
The reaching is way past absurd. yardwork Mar 2016 #10
I would support Murphy were I in Florida SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #28
I live in Fl and support him DrDan Mar 2016 #46
They are all establishment corporate focused. eilen Mar 2016 #69
EVERYTHING has to BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #71
The CTS are getting wilder treestar Mar 2016 #82
Everything. It is all Obama's fault still_one Mar 2016 #105
Grayson is a nut MaggieD Mar 2016 #4
So better to support someone who can't ever BE progressive? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #20
That is by design. stranger81 Mar 2016 #49
Better than a nut, yes MaggieD Mar 2016 #55
what nonsense stupidicus Mar 2016 #89
Really? Andy823 Mar 2016 #95
Murphy is incapable of that kind of transformation. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #120
It may be a one off among the political class, but Elizabeth Warren isn't a politician Hydra Mar 2016 #121
Control of the Senate is within reach. Orsino Mar 2016 #124
"Nut" Hissyspit Mar 2016 #54
so pick someone who endorsed Romney G_j Mar 2016 #92
They are making a political decision that Murphy is the stronger candidate in November.../nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #5
But for which party, is the question. Qutzupalotl Mar 2016 #9
The Democratic party. I lived in Fl for forty years... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #18
It can't be worth winning the seat if we have to run a permanent conservative to do it. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #22
You weigh the pros and cons. Obviously Obama and Biden did that and came away with a conclusion. randome Mar 2016 #38
As have I rpannier Mar 2016 #98
There you have it. +1 bvf Mar 2016 #60
Of course. tarheelsunc Mar 2016 #83
I go by principles. bvf Mar 2016 #115
Been here over 50. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #48
I've lived in Florida over 50 and you're wrong. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author kristopher Mar 2016 #97
Kind of like when they cleared the deck for Crist rpannier Mar 2016 #104
No, It's Not Really That... He's Very Right Wing... Truth! n/t ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #109
Murphy is one of DWS ex-republican pets... HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #6
Grayson is a hedgefunder and wife abuser. Hoyt Mar 2016 #8
His wife was the abuser Mnpaul Mar 2016 #29
Yet still better than being a former republican. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #45
You mean like Senator Warren? JTFrog Mar 2016 #52
What evidence do you have that he is a wife abuser? Hissyspit Mar 2016 #56
YOU ARE WRONG! But I'm Sure You'll Never Believe The Truth... ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #108
Two corporatists supporting a DINO. Not surprising in the least. djean111 Mar 2016 #7
You "don't have to live with him" - so domestic violence is fine with you? yardwork Mar 2016 #11
What do you have to say about the rape allegations that Bill Clinton Lorien Mar 2016 #13
Bill Clinton TeddyR Mar 2016 #15
I'm happy to discuss that. The allegations were never proven. yardwork Mar 2016 #17
Try to enlighten yourself about rape n/t silenttigersong Mar 2016 #33
We don't have any proof Bill Clinton raped anyone. TM99 Mar 2016 #44
I see a very large difference, but you are entitled to your opinion. yardwork Mar 2016 #47
... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #77
Explain the difference, slowly, while using small words, for someone who sees not a lick of it. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #100
I so agree silenttigersong Mar 2016 #24
You have no proof --and neither does the RW-who usually brings up this issue. shame on you. riversedge Mar 2016 #37
Skilled rapists generaly like to get away with it... silenttigersong Mar 2016 #39
What evidence do you have he is a wife abuser? Hissyspit Mar 2016 #16
I'm not the one who posted "I don't have to live with him." yardwork Mar 2016 #19
Grayson's 18 year old daughter defended her father against those outrageous claims: think Mar 2016 #21
I have not made any claims. Maybe you are responding to the wrong post. yardwork Mar 2016 #26
"You're fine with supporting somebody who beats his wife as long as he's not beating you?" dana_b Mar 2016 #76
No, you are not understanding this correctly, you are trying to put words in my, um, djean111 Mar 2016 #25
Ok, then you might want to edit your post. yardwork Mar 2016 #27
I was replying to the OP. Which was not about Grayson's personal life. djean111 Mar 2016 #34
Hill's son-in-law is hedge fund OWNER, not just manager! Divernan Mar 2016 #58
You would think that those who fling out the quick and dirty smears would look stuff up - djean111 Mar 2016 #65
Why burden their beautiful "minds" with unpleasant truths? Divernan Mar 2016 #70
The video clearly showed his wife TM99 Mar 2016 #43
please see hissypits post #56 unapatriciated Mar 2016 #68
I will be voting for Grayson also. flaval Mar 2016 #31
I'm Voting For Him Too! n.t ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #111
Thank you! nt Ilsa Mar 2016 #117
I'm in Grayson's district; he's fought for the middle and working classes here Lorien Mar 2016 #12
Too Many Here Are Only Spreading THE Gossip That Has Been Spread Around! n/t ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #110
At least it's not DWS. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #14
ding ding ding questionseverything Mar 2016 #79
It's their MO Mnpaul Mar 2016 #23
That's their plan. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #64
You dance with the people that brought you Mnpaul Mar 2016 #67
Yep. Feigned impotence. I am so sick of them undermining any and every progressive effort. They're GoneFishin Mar 2016 #73
Exactly. Thank you! nt Ilsa Mar 2016 #116
Grayson is beating Murphy by 11 points Csainvestor Mar 2016 #30
He should... Nyan Mar 2016 #87
We have two major political parties in the USA PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #32
You made me laugh! Nt lostnfound Mar 2016 #118
I live in FL. In the district next to Grayson. kydo Mar 2016 #35
And when smart & awesome people make a decision, it seems one would ponder why. randome Mar 2016 #42
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #72
I live a bit north of Grayson's district - will be supporting Murphy also DrDan Mar 2016 #53
You gotta wonder Trajan Mar 2016 #61
Are you saying that I am a "nominal conservative" ? kydo Mar 2016 #93
their constant punting gave us Christie MisterP Mar 2016 #36
Progressives rallying around Mr. Hedgefund? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #40
Mr Hedgefund or Mr Republican? PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #41
A hedge fund guy that keeps his money offshore redstateblues Mar 2016 #50
Cool. Thanks Pres Obama and JOE riversedge Mar 2016 #51
Further evidence of the corporatist takeover of the Dem Party. Broward Mar 2016 #57
Because Alan Grayson is undisciplined loose cannon. Adrahil Mar 2016 #59
I miss Weiner's fiery speeches. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #78
Me too! Adrahil Mar 2016 #81
ick. nt Zorra Mar 2016 #62
I'm a Florida Democrat mcar Mar 2016 #63
Which personal issues? For your information, some of the accusations are debunked upthread. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #80
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Not True! n/t ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #113
Electability is a real issue for the primaries Gothmog Mar 2016 #66
I've noticed the expectation of 'party loyalty' only seems to go one way. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #74
Remember the disaster that was Mahoney in 2008...Rahm's handpicked Republican. madfloridian Mar 2016 #75
Corporate is as corporate does. Gotta protect their own. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #85
Maybe it's Grayson's offshore hedge funds. iandhr Mar 2016 #88
Murphy Endorsed Mitt Romney against Obama. But for Clinton supporters Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #90
Wrong. hay rick Mar 2016 #99
two 3rdwayers doing 3rdwayer bizness obviously stupidicus Mar 2016 #91
Obama has referred to himself as an 80's Republican. At least he's staying in character. jalan48 Mar 2016 #94
Google Grayson and Hedge Fund. He's damaged goods. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #96
I Really Need To Find The Real Story, Just Don't Have Time Right Now... ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #112
Yeha but remember rpannier Mar 2016 #101
I'm supporting Murphy. hay rick Mar 2016 #102
Eastblishment candidates unequivocally support establishment candidates. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #103
death by moderation. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #106
AND She's Down Here Now With Her BFF DWS, I Wish People Could Really ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #107
They're 3rd way peeps after all. ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #114
Obama has been supporting conservative candidates since he moved into the white house Doctor_J Mar 2016 #119
I'm always amazed at how many DUers are ok with supporting a republican. n/t Kermitt Gribble Mar 2016 #122
Not the biggest fan of Grayson - TBF Mar 2016 #123

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
28. I would support Murphy were I in Florida
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

So I am glad to see our President and VP doing what they can to pick up this seat. Does anyone here honestly think Grayson could win that seat?

eilen

(4,950 posts)
69. They are all establishment corporate focused.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

DNC/DWS/Reid/etc.

They are endorsing a guy who raises lots of money.

It's all about the money.

(obviously, it's not about principle, ethics or progressive values)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
82. The CTS are getting wilder
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

EVERYTHING is about Bernie. So if Grayson endorses Bernie and Obama supports Grayson's opponent, it must be because he is trying to persecute Grayson for supporting Bernie.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
4. Grayson is a nut
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

Makes the party look awful. And he is "feeling the bern" which Obama definitely is not.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
20. So better to support someone who can't ever BE progressive?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

You start right wing, you stay right wing.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
49. That is by design.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

For supporters of Murphy, being a Republican in Democrat's clothing is a feature, not a bug.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
55. Better than a nut, yes
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

Governing is serious business, and Grayson has proven to many that he is simply not balanced enough to do it. And frankly, given that Obama's endorsement came shortly after Grayson's endorsement of Bernie I think Obama is trying to tell you something.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
121. It may be a one off among the political class, but Elizabeth Warren isn't a politician
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:44 AM
Mar 2016

She's the result of a system that's broken and won't fix itself. Since change isn't coming from the establishment, it's coming from the people whom the establishment has horrified.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. The Democratic party. I lived in Fl for forty years...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

Murphy is a much stronger general election candidate...

To carry Florida a Democrat needs to win south Florida big, stay even in the center of the state, and mitigate his or her losses in Northern Florida or what us Floridian refer to as southern Georgia. Patrick Murphy can do that, IMHO, Alan Grayson can not.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. It can't be worth winning the seat if we have to run a permanent conservative to do it.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

If Murphy is right wing now, he can't ever be anything else.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
38. You weigh the pros and cons. Obviously Obama and Biden did that and came away with a conclusion.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
60. There you have it. +1
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

Another yank to the right. "Democrat" has pretty much all but lost its meaning, but lots of people will respond to it like Pavlov's dogs.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
115. I go by principles.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

If you would rather respond to the ring of a bell, that's fine with me.

Be sure to wear a bib.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
48. Been here over 50.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

My Congressman is the GOP candidate. He'll probably win, if the choices are republican vs. republican-lite.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
86. I've lived in Florida over 50 and you're wrong.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

PPP - Florida Senate (March 1, 2016)
Alan Grayson: 33%
Patrick Murphy: 22%

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
56. What evidence do you have that he is a wife abuser?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

Beyond his wife's accusations, this is all I could find:

http://www.wesh.com/politics/domestic-violence-injunction-against-rep-alan-grayson-dropped/24944322

The domestic violence injunction against Rep. Alan Grayson was dropped Wednesday afternoon after Lolita Carson-Grayson, Grayson's wife, filed a voluntary dismissal.

Grayson's wife filed for the injunction following an alleged attack at their Orlando home, but video surfaced showing Lolita was the person who became violent during the altercation earlier this month.

"While this is certainly positive news, we want to emphasize that these baseless charges should never have been brought in the first place. Two eyewitness accounts, video evidence, a thorough police investigation, and Ms. Carson-Grayson's own 911 call confirmed the Congressman's innocence - and that Ms. Carson-Grayson was, in fact, the aggressor," Lauren Doney, Grayson's spokeswoman, said in a statement.

Last week, law enforcement officials announced that Grayson would not be charged in the domestic incident.

Video: Rep. Alan Grayson denies domestic violence allegations

"Investigators have interviewed Lolita Carson-Grayson, Alan Grayson, and others and reviewed the evidence. In this instance probable cause does not exist to effect an arrest on Alan Grayson," said a release from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
108. YOU ARE WRONG! But I'm Sure You'll Never Believe The Truth...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Don't have the time right now, but there IS evidence to the contrary. I just have to dig it up. I have some home work to do right now, yes even at my age, but I WILL dig it up!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Two corporatists supporting a DINO. Not surprising in the least.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

I will be voting for Grayson. I don't have to live with him, but I do have to live with what a senator from Florida votes for, and we already have one DINO. Not voting for another damn one.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
11. You "don't have to live with him" - so domestic violence is fine with you?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

You're fine with supporting somebody who beats his wife as long as he's not beating you? Really?

I mean, I could understand if you said something like "the allegations aren't proven and I don't believe them" but it seems that you DO believe them and you're saying that it just doesn't matter to you? Am I understanding this correctly?

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
13. What do you have to say about the rape allegations that Bill Clinton
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

has faced from a number of women? Do you really want to go there?

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
17. I'm happy to discuss that. The allegations were never proven.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

If I thought that Bill Clinton had actually raped anybody, I would be disgusted with him and I would never vote for him again.

But I would never, ever say "I don't have to live with him, so I don't mind supporting him."

See the difference?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
44. We don't have any proof Bill Clinton raped anyone.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

We just have a string of women who say he did.

We don't have any proof that Bill Cosby raped anyone.

We just have a string of women who say he did.

See the difference?

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
39. Skilled rapists generaly like to get away with it...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

Now before you get all defensive and alert on me,I have the right to believe who I choose to.I beleve Junita Broderick.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
16. What evidence do you have he is a wife abuser?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

Beyond his wife's accusations, this is all I could find:

http://m.wesh.com/politics/domestic-violence-injunction-against-rep-alan-grayson-dropped/24944322

The domestic violence injunction against Rep. Alan Grayson was dropped Wednesday afternoon after Lolita Carson-Grayson, Grayson's wife, filed a voluntary dismissal.

Grayson's wife filed for the injunction following an alleged attack at their Orlando home, but video surfaced showing Lolita was the person who became violent during the altercation earlier this month.

"While this is certainly positive news, we want to emphasize that these baseless charges should never have been brought in the first place. Two eyewitness accounts, video evidence, a thorough police investigation, and Ms. Carson-Grayson's own 911 call confirmed the Congressman's innocence - and that Ms. Carson-Grayson was, in fact, the aggressor," Lauren Doney, Grayson's spokeswoman, said in a statement.

Last week, law enforcement officials announced that Grayson would not be charged in the domestic incident.

Video: Rep. Alan Grayson denies domestic violence allegations

"Investigators have interviewed Lolita Carson-Grayson, Alan Grayson, and others and reviewed the evidence. In this instance probable cause does not exist to effect an arrest on Alan Grayson," said a release from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
19. I'm not the one who posted "I don't have to live with him."
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know if the allegations are correct or not, and I have not accused him of being a wife beater. I am responding to a poster who appears to believe that the allegations are true, and doesn't care.

Maybe you accidentally responded to the wrong post.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
21. Grayson's 18 year old daughter defended her father against those outrageous claims:
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016



So please stop making false claims about the congressman.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
76. "You're fine with supporting somebody who beats his wife as long as he's not beating you?"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

"somebody who beats his wife" - you do NOT know that but you still made that CLAIM.

This is getting stupid. Let's face it - you are against Grayson because Clinton and Obama are for his opponent.

It's okay - just say it.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
25. No, you are not understanding this correctly, you are trying to put words in my, um,
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016

post. No, domestic violence is not okay with me - and I got a divorce on the grounds of physical cruelty. (quote from ex-husband - if you get the divorce on physical cruelty I will kill you) I don't know what happened between the Graysons.

I am also against serial womanizers and cheaters - but no one thinks this disqualifies Bill for anything, or disqualifies Hillary for anything, because she put up with it. Is she saying is doesn't matter?

Here is the real gist of my post - I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A DINO. MURPHY IS A DINO. DINOs, IMO, HURT LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR THIRD WAY BULLSHIT. Is that clear enough?

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
27. Ok, then you might want to edit your post.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

Posting "I don't have to live with him..." implies that you think that there might be a good reason not to live with him.

Like you, I am very sensitive to this issue.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
34. I was replying to the OP. Which was not about Grayson's personal life.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know what happened there, neither do you, nobody does. Usually, Grayson is merely described as "unhinged" or "wealthy" - - which, oddly enough, describes Hillary, so I think the person who harps on Grayson's wealth is actually "unhinged". Or lacks logic skills. One of those.

And if a hedge fund manager is good enough for Hillary's daughter - what's the problem there?

The wife-beating thing is now being dragged out, so maybe Grayson is doing better than planned in the polls.

Anyway - not voting for any more DINOs.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
58. Hill's son-in-law is hedge fund OWNER, not just manager!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

Investing with his hedge fund is like pumping corporate "donations" in to the Clinton Family Fund - private quids in expectation of governmental contract pro quos

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
65. You would think that those who fling out the quick and dirty smears would look stuff up -
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

like we do!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
43. The video clearly showed his wife
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

doing the violence. But hey why interrupt a righteous rant with facts!

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
68. please see hissypits post #56
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

abuse is a very serious subject with me but it does happen in reverse. I know this from personal experience. My son was in one for four years. He was 6'4" and a marine so he could have easily defended himself but chose not to. I respect you so please read post 56 before you continue accusing him of this very serious crime.

flaval

(17 posts)
31. I will be voting for Grayson also.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

Will not vote for Murphy. He votes with the Republicans. The establishment and the DNC always seem to support the ex Republicans here in Florida. They did it with Crist also.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
12. I'm in Grayson's district; he's fought for the middle and working classes here
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

He's a true left of center Dem, not a corporate/ Wall street tool. No way in hell that I'd ever support a GOP/ DWS toady like Murphy. If the DLC is trying to split the party, they're doing a great job of it!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. At least it's not DWS.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

But let me guess- he agrees with her that terminally ill cancer patients should be put in prison for using medical marijuana.

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
79. ding ding ding
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

i get so tired of hearing there are no big policy differences between hc and bernie when hc wants to continue the disastrous war on drugs

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
23. It's their MO
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

They campaign for crappy Democrats and then turn around and tell us we can't get stuff done because the crappy Democrat won't go along with it(like Lieberman). It is now obvious that they have no intention of enacting Democratic legislation. Sorry, not buying their crap anymore.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
64. That's their plan.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

Hold the carrot in front of us, tell us to vote for them, but have no intention of ever letting us get the carrot. It's a shell game...as long as we play by their rules we lose. We have to refuse to play by their rules any longer, before we can get our rules.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
67. You dance with the people that brought you
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

and I'm sick of being a wall flower. They can find their own damn ride next time.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
73. Yep. Feigned impotence. I am so sick of them undermining any and every progressive effort. They're
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

weaselly assholes.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
32. We have two major political parties in the USA
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:13 PM
Mar 2016

The Fascist warmongering party.
The fanatical bigot Fascist warmongering party.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
35. I live in FL. In the district next to Grayson.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

I can walk to the road that divides us. Was gonna say I could see it from my porch, but that would be a lie. But I often walk my dog there.

I am voting for Murphy in the primary. Made up my mind weeks before Grayson gave his delegate vote away in an online poll.

So I was kind of happy Obama and Biden agree with me. Those two are very smart awesome people.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
42. And when smart & awesome people make a decision, it seems one would ponder why.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

Instead of shouting "DINOs! TRAITORS!" as their first take-away. No reflection on their parts, just an automatic descent into unquestioning anger.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
61. You gotta wonder
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

Why nominal conservatives would join DU ...

Me? ... I'm done wondering .. I just click them, and that's that ...

kydo

(2,679 posts)
93. Are you saying that I am a "nominal conservative" ?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

Because that is what it sounds like.

Trajan
61. You gotta wonder

Why nominal conservatives would join DU ...

For the record, I am a very liberal long time member of DU. Been here since 2004. I just mostly lurk, hence my low post count. But "nominal conservative" is rather insulting.
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
59. Because Alan Grayson is undisciplined loose cannon.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

I do enjoy his fire and brimstone floor speeches, though!

mcar

(42,298 posts)
63. I'm a Florida Democrat
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

I want that senate seat in D hands. I used to like Grayson but his personal issues have caused me to lean to Murphy. He is the more solid pick.

Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
66. Electability is a real issue for the primaries
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Murphy is more electable in Florida and we need to win this Senate seat

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
75. Remember the disaster that was Mahoney in 2008...Rahm's handpicked Republican.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

I believe the powers that be should leave the voting to Floridians.

I don't know who I will vote for, but it should be my decision not theirs.

Tim Mahoney, FL Democrat : ''I don't owe the party anything"

This is what you get when your party leaders hightail it down to South Florida to pick a millionaire Republican to run as a Democrat while kicking good Democrats out of the race. Rahm Emanuel and Karen Thurman did just that when they recruited millionaire Republican businessman, Tim Mahoney, to run for Mark Foley's seat.

Here is more of what Tim Mahoney said:

Rep. Mahoney bites the hand that fed him

''I don't owe the party anything,'' said Mahoney, whose election helped the Democrats take control of Congress. ``If anybody owes anybody anything, it's Nancy Pelosi who owes a debt to me.''

Mahoney partly blames the dispute over Florida's convention delegates for his commitment problem, but it's clear the real reason he's distancing himself from a liberal Democrat is concern for his own survival. The GOP spent roughly $2 million against him in 2006; he faces three Republican challengers in 2008.


Mahoney is terribly afraid to be a Democrat, instead he will cower and make believe to be all things to all people.


Then Mahoney, handpicked Republican turned Democrat has to resign when people learned he had a mistress.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
88. Maybe it's Grayson's offshore hedge funds.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

Grayson has called for the investigation of all who use off shore tax havens while doing the something himself.

If a Republican did this we would go into holier then thou mode.


Hypocrisy matters even when it's from a "progressive champion."


Nanjeanne

(4,935 posts)
90. Murphy Endorsed Mitt Romney against Obama. But for Clinton supporters
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

That's ok now. Because well ... Because


Oh right. It's all about being a REAL Democrat.

hay rick

(7,603 posts)
99. Wrong.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

He contributed to Romney's primary campaign against John McCain in 2008. The pre-Tea Party Romney of 2008 was barely related to the Romney who ran against Obama in 2012. Murphy supported Obama in that race.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
112. I Really Need To Find The Real Story, Just Don't Have Time Right Now...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

So much that's been spread around about Grayson has been twisted by the RIGHT WING Democrats here in Florida! And there are a LOT of Right Wing Democrats here!

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
101. Yeha but remember
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:36 PM
Mar 2016

Obama endorsed Crist in his bid to be governor and see how well that worked out?
So obviously they know what they're talking about

Or something like that

hay rick

(7,603 posts)
102. I'm supporting Murphy.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

Grayson initially endorsed Hillary. His switch to Sanders looks like a cynical attempt to find a progressive life raft after the New York Times article came out. I support Murphy because he runs a disciplined, professional, and energetic campaign. If he wins the primary I expect him to win the general. Grayson is an obvious time bomb. If he wins the primary I would be astonished if he won the general against even the most inept Republican opponent.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
107. AND She's Down Here Now With Her BFF DWS, I Wish People Could Really
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

understand just how much POWER they have down here. AND now Obama supporting Patrick Murphy just shows once again how far to the Right the Democratic Party has become.

Plus, Harry Reid end after Grayson who asked Floridians who they wanted him to endorse. I DO NOT care about the garbage people talk about regarding Grayson here, but so much of what was said about Hedge funds, etc., has been twisted into a huge pretzel.

Grayson has had the NERVE to speak his mind, but what he says it truthful! There are very few people in Congress who have the nerve to stand up to the corruption he's seen in THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

This state has ALREADY been called for Hillary AND I will say THE MACHINE is working hard to paint Bernie as something that slid out from under a rug!

But it just says more to me about Obama now as opposed to the one who ran for POTUS. The Clinton's are very devious underneath the POLISH they present to their subjects. Just seeing the people here who simply ACCEPT whatever she/they say as absolute truth is astounding to me. Even when FACTS clearly show the lies they tell, so many rush to her defense as if they were star struck.

But many here won't see or understand this if she's the nominee and should she win the election. Don't complain and call FOUL when you find that what you bought and waited to be delivered turns out to be NOTHING LIKE the picture you saw when your ordered it.

THEY have a past, there are many issues that have done damage to our country... but it's futile to argue with those who refuse to see. They're going to see what they see. BUT, those of us who want to move forward and try to reign in the MONEY & GREED that's taken over this country will have to PAY once again for those who STILL settle for what we have now.

All you have to do right at this moment is to look at what DWS is doing with the Repukes regarding the CFPB, and doing it right before an election and right under our noses! It's clear she & her Repuke friends down her will deliver Florida TO Hillary! She's waiting for her place in MADAME Hillary's Administration and DO NO be surprised how fast Hillary's noble rhetoric changes. Their thick as thieves and people here in Florida know how DWS "does" Democrat! I've always known she leaned very far to the right, but I'm now pretty much convinced she's a Repuke!

A real piece of work and I have no doubt she's always done for Hillary what Hillary wants. For many here I will only say... time will tell.

But, there is ONE thing that I don't think they really understand... they may take a good man like Bernie down, but people have started to FINALLY see the damage that's been done by the kind of Democrats we have now! People are now willing to step up to run against the entrenched people in office and many WILL succeed. It has started and I thank all that's good for BERNIE SANDERS for this!

But, I continue to believe he can pull this off. We just need people to watch at the polling places in their county. I know here in Florida our machines are used to "under count" votes. I've seen it happen because I always try to sign up for the last shift before the polls close. It seems there's ALWAYS two lock boxes that go to the Supervisor of Elections. One with the votes that GOT counted and ONE with votes that had problems going through the machine. They get put in another box to be counted by hand. I've also wondered how many votes get flipped by the machines too.

Voting by machine is the VERY WORST WAY TO VOTE! So it's good to have someone like Debbie here to lend a helping hand! One hand washes the other... DISGUSTING!

If Bernie wins FL my faith may be restored. I have seen many bumper stickers for him in this red county and when I go out and have my Bernie shirt on I ALWAYS have 1 or 2 people tell me they like my shirt. I have yet to see one Hillary bumper sticker... that's NO LIE either.

Outta here... just wanted to make my long comment!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
119. Obama has been supporting conservative candidates since he moved into the white house
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mar 2016

No surprise whatsoever

TBF

(32,041 posts)
123. Not the biggest fan of Grayson -
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:31 PM
Mar 2016

but he is backing Bernie (and bucking the establishment) so I obviously need to send a donation his way.

New totals:

Contributions by Recipient

Recipient Contributions Total
Bernie Sanders 22 $1,650.00
Tim Canova 2 $35.00
Alan Grayson (Congress) 1 $20.00
Jesus "Chuy" Garcia 1 $10.00

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