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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:00 PM Mar 2016

There are 4 contests this weekend. Sanders is favored in 3 out of 4: Go Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine!

There is little recent polling in Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine, but the betting markets are active in these three upcoming contests:

In Kansas, Sanders is a 69% to 31% favorite.

In Nebraska, Sanders is a 79% to 21% favorite.

In Maine, Sanders is a 81% to 19% favorite.

Like the other Dixie states that share a border with the Clinton home field of Arkansas, expect Hillary to do well in Louisiana this weekend.

I suspect that Hillary will continue her sweep of the Deep South, but I expect that Sanders will extend his current 5-to-3 lead outside of Dixie to an ASTOUNDING 8-to-3 lead in states outside of the Deep-Red-Republican South!!!:

BIG WIN - New Hampshire!
BIG WIN - Colorado!
BIG WIN - Minnesota!
BIG WIN - Oklahoma!
BIG WIN - Vermont!
WIN PROJECTED - Kansas!
WIN PROJECTED - Nebraska!
WIN PROJECTED - Maine!

To those working on the campaign in Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine - Stay strong! Stay focused! Stay hopeful!
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There are 4 contests this weekend. Sanders is favored in 3 out of 4: Go Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine! (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 OP
All wins are good wins, but ME is the important one Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #1
Why do you believe ME is the important one? n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #26
Because it's a state he'll win in the GE, whereas the others aren't Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #36
What difference does that make? (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #159
Because they have all the lobster. Arkana Mar 2016 #179
LOL Beartracks Mar 2016 #240
My husband and I will be caucusing in Maine on Sunday for Bernie! PWPippin Mar 2016 #43
Thank you! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #64
Our pleasure and our obligation for our grandchildren. PWPippin Mar 2016 #85
Bernie must win! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #87
Our future and particularly the future of our children's children depend on it. PWPippin Mar 2016 #202
What a great report. It really has been so kuhl to have younger people truedelphi Mar 2016 #153
At the first Bernie gathering I attended, PWPippin Mar 2016 #204
You sound like my grandparents democrattotheend Mar 2016 #192
I think your grandparents would be very proud of you. PWPippin Mar 2016 #210
Aww, thank you democrattotheend Mar 2016 #219
What treasured memories! PWPippin Mar 2016 #242
Awesome! Look forward to hearing how it goes! Bubzer Mar 2016 #144
Thanks for the heads up. PWPippin Mar 2016 #205
Look forward to reading your post! Bubzer Mar 2016 #209
me too! nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #157
Yeah! Let's hope for a yuuuuge turnout. PWPippin Mar 2016 #212
the weather should be pretty decent :-) magical thyme Mar 2016 #216
Let the sun shine in! PWPippin Mar 2016 #217
Me too! My first ever caucus! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #215
It's a curious process. Enjoy. PWPippin Mar 2016 #218
He is absolutely the right man at the right time! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #243
When the People are ready, the Leader will appear. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #274
I'll be there caucusing for Bernie! Political_Junkie Mar 2016 #147
Yeah! As goes Maine . . . PWPippin Mar 2016 #195
So goes the nation. Showtime folks! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #197
Love it! PWPippin Mar 2016 #201
Rise! Rise! Damn, look at those numbers!!! yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2
that explains why we are not hearing about any contests this weekend in the corporate press corkhead Mar 2016 #3
You understand that Hillary will win more delegates this weekend? hack89 Mar 2016 #6
seems he is doing fine.. timmymoff Mar 2016 #41
Wins mean nothing. Delegates mean everything. hack89 Mar 2016 #54
yes, and when it gets closer seeing hillary timmymoff Mar 2016 #59
When she wins Michigan by a large margin, what will your excuse be then? hack89 Mar 2016 #71
The "excuse" will be Plucketeer Mar 2016 #105
Damn, well said, my sentiments exactly. dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #156
I love this post. VERY well encapsulated. K&R, nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #193
Indeed! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #199
They're all heavy television consumers, in my experience Lorien Mar 2016 #208
Yes, and I think the system has worked for them dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #229
When you write posts like this... potone Mar 2016 #264
This sort of sanctimonious thought process I think is part of why Sanders is losing mythology Mar 2016 #234
not stupid, just ignorant redruddyred Mar 2016 #251
I guess you believe... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #267
yes that's exactly right redruddyred Mar 2016 #270
I guess you consider hillary's AA supporters . .. reACTIONary Mar 2016 #269
Not even 2% in MA - only 1% (to another significant figure, it is 1.4%. Which does NOT round to 2%) kath Mar 2016 #117
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #152
Delegates are important if you want Sanders to be the nominee Gothmog Mar 2016 #256
Such a Hillary 'win' will tear this party apart yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #60
It is unfortunate then that Bernie's supporters have failed him by refusing to vote. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #73
We're not the ones who won't be voting in November corkhead Mar 2016 #200
She is ahead in popular votes and delegates obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #84
it will be a lose greymouse Mar 2016 #101
Have you been readin' those pesky polls again? Plucketeer Mar 2016 #106
The voters put in the fix SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #108
Yup! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #129
And when the delegrates see that Hillary can't possibly win without carrying blue States Lorien Mar 2016 #207
It doesn't work that way hack89 Mar 2016 #222
They can.....and nancy p. is starting the movement hack. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #223
Not pledged delegates hack89 Mar 2016 #224
Election day is still a long time from now..lots of time and many arguments...revolution may begin. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #252
So the blue states will suddenly go red for Trump? okasha Mar 2016 #253
Super delegates will vote in the best interest of the party including down ballot races Gothmog Mar 2016 #257
Ummm.. There's a lot of Virginia that isn't anywhere near DC onenote Mar 2016 #56
ok timmymoff Mar 2016 #61
There seems to be less indication of PUMAs from the Clinton side than the Sanders side onenote Mar 2016 #63
yes timmymoff Mar 2016 #67
It seems exactly like 2008 bbrady42 Mar 2016 #109
No, you see he is badly behind, which means he Hortensis Mar 2016 #92
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #154
You realize you are counting Superdelegates, right? Which can change and are not counted until magical thyme Mar 2016 #165
True dat! nt thereismore Mar 2016 #8
Wait, there are states voting this weekend? FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #58
Louisiana ... BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #111
... FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #133
I know. Nyan Mar 2016 #142
MSNBC is showing "Louisiana polls open" but no mention lostnfound Mar 2016 #241
exactly. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #249
Keep telling yourself that certain states don't count if it makes you feel better Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #4
Then in the general election, she'll discover the truth about those states that "don't count". Gregorian Mar 2016 #7
The primary calendar does not bend strongly in Sanders' favor until March 22 through April 9. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #14
Pretty sure Hillary is favored, overwhelmingly in every contest after this weekend Godhumor Mar 2016 #27
It's hard to say how events and state-by-state results will play out between now and then. We'll see Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #31
Which is why Kos and company are calling for him to drop out after March 15 alarimer Mar 2016 #77
Yep...at that point, unless the constant media "it's over" bleating works, the tables turn. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #134
And then Gwhittey Mar 2016 #191
Not just the SoS nomination. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #220
THIS. kath Mar 2016 #119
I love the way that you cherry pick and cite some results of Predictwise but ignore others Gothmog Mar 2016 #258
It's not cherry picking - I'm expecting betting markets to accurately predict events occurring today Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #263
Your cherry picking is amusing Gothmog Mar 2016 #273
^^this^^ Pharaoh Mar 2016 #74
And when Trump is being sworn in, what will you tell yourself to make yourself feel better? basselope Mar 2016 #17
I'll say too bad people were blinded and voted for more corporate takeover 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #93
Bernie has no chance in the south Chelsea2032 Mar 2016 #33
A democratic candidate can not win the south in the General election. Maybe in 10 or 15 years. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #89
Bill Chelsea2032 Mar 2016 #94
Is he running again Kittycat Mar 2016 #102
Ha! babylonsister Mar 2016 #185
Maybe if we had a 35-45 year old dynamic guy telling us he was going to bring us health care LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #121
Quick question GeoWilliam750 Mar 2016 #125
Jesse Ventura floppyboo Mar 2016 #250
yay she is winning the blue dog vote lol timmymoff Mar 2016 #44
Actually, conservatives are going for Bernie: Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #47
Hmmm... retrowire Mar 2016 #53
there seems to be a demographic split in dem voting patterns 6chars Mar 2016 #230
Yet Hillary will win more delegates, putting him further behind. Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #5
Unlikely LA will offset the other three states unc70 Mar 2016 #12
LA has 58 delegates and Bernie is polling below the 15% threshold hack89 Mar 2016 #19
Hardly surprising in that state. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #135
You think Kansas and Nebraska will be won by the Democratic nominee? Garrett78 Mar 2016 #238
LA is 32% AA... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #265
Nope. That's not what I said (or implied). Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #266
Well, that's a relief. Hope you .... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #268
"Again" requires doing something a first time. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #272
The other three combined are only 83 Godhumor Mar 2016 #29
That's just wrong, and everyone knows it. But most Hill supporters look the other way... reformist2 Mar 2016 #45
Why is it wrong? hack89 Mar 2016 #57
I really doubt he gets below 15% TheFarseer Mar 2016 #228
Please enlighten us on the math n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #132
Wrong, as in bad. reformist2 Mar 2016 #148
Isn't it great how that works? :-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #137
Those working on the campaign - stay ALERT. 840high Mar 2016 #9
Didn't we just have a bucketload of posts about how states like these don't count? Blue_Adept Mar 2016 #10
but the sanders crowd keeps telling us red states are meaningless lol nt msongs Mar 2016 #11
No states are meaningless. Clinton's performance in the less progressive states has meaning just as Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #18
It was only a month ago that Caucuses were "undemocratic"... brooklynite Mar 2016 #13
They are. But they are what we are stuck with at the moment. I'm caucusing on Sunday magical thyme Mar 2016 #168
Bless you and Thank you! nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #196
Go, Bernie GO!! AzDar Mar 2016 #15
And, then, there's Michigan. MineralMan Mar 2016 #16
And then there is NY and California. basselope Mar 2016 #20
Not this month, though. MineralMan Mar 2016 #22
Bernie is ahead in both ny and Cali... basselope Mar 2016 #55
Source, please? grossproffit Mar 2016 #68
Links were posted on DU yesterday basselope Mar 2016 #113
His momentum should carry him through by then....be prepared. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #225
He is ahead in neither. What on earth makes you think he is? n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #110
The most recent polls. basselope Mar 2016 #114
Which would be HRC +11 in CA and +21 in NY Godhumor Mar 2016 #120
old info basselope Mar 2016 #149
Feel free to link so we can all see that the three aggregation sites are wrong Godhumor Mar 2016 #150
It was posted in this forum yesterday with links. basselope Mar 2016 #158
So link it n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #163
It was posted in this forum yesterday with links. basselope Mar 2016 #164
Uh huh. Strange. Godhumor Mar 2016 #167
Don't really care what YOU pick. basselope Mar 2016 #170
Clinton +11 CA, +21 NY. Those ARE the last polls Godhumor Mar 2016 #176
Incorrect on all counts. basselope Mar 2016 #181
For God's sake then, prove it Godhumor Mar 2016 #183
No need to prove reality. basselope Mar 2016 #188
I'm picking your second option too. If it was so pervasive in this forum, that person could have Number23 Mar 2016 #172
I even went to Overtime Politics, the wretched hive of scum and villainy Godhumor Mar 2016 #178
Sanders is ahead in neither state. What in the world?? Number23 Mar 2016 #145
He's leading in both. basselope Mar 2016 #161
Sanders is not ahead in California or New York. Do please get a grip. Number23 Mar 2016 #171
VERY old information. basselope Mar 2016 #173
My info is from February. You have not posted anything except "he's leading. I don't have a single Number23 Mar 2016 #174
Okay. basselope Mar 2016 #180
If you liked "facts" you would have posted them the first five times you were asked Number23 Mar 2016 #182
I think the poster is bored and just passing the time Godhumor Mar 2016 #184
I don't think it's fun, I think it's some weird type of desperate hope and denial Number23 Mar 2016 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #236
As late as you are to this thread and discussion, you'd think you'd be better able to read through Number23 Mar 2016 #275
I did post the facts. basselope Mar 2016 #187
And between Michigan and NY there's Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming, etc Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #23
Along with some other states, as well. MineralMan Mar 2016 #24
Yes, that's generally what "etc." means. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #25
Thanks for that link! nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #198
Bernie ahead in most of those :) basselope Mar 2016 #115
Sanders looks to be favored in ALL of those by some metrics Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #118
and then Florida, Illinois, Ohio - all big hitters DrDan Mar 2016 #30
Yes, those too. MineralMan Mar 2016 #32
and all leaning in the right direction DrDan Mar 2016 #34
Leaning in the FAR right direction Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #37
exactly timmymoff Mar 2016 #49
downstate illinois here questionseverything Mar 2016 #254
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #21
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #28
Check out March 15 BainsBane Mar 2016 #35
Gotta take each week as it comes. After March 15 comes a GREAT stretch for Sanders and March 15 may Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #38
What surprise? BainsBane Mar 2016 #69
Demographics is not destiny. You should not assume that all people within a demographic group vote Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #70
"they are targeting caucus states because they think they do better with lower turnout." Number23 Mar 2016 #146
Even California will come too late to save Bernie. He'd have to win by a HUGE margin...but he won't. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #98
Expected! Doesn't count! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #39
So in other word the media will only cover and see as important Louisiana Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #40
If we follow the logic of some Sanders supporters Nebraska, Kansas don't matter. iandhr Mar 2016 #42
I consider Nebraska to be a shade of purple PatrynXX Mar 2016 #50
If we follow the logic of Clinton, she was dodging a barrage of sniper fire in this photo: Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #51
Notice how she bravely kept her cool! Herman4747 Mar 2016 #214
If i followed the logic of hillary supporters timmymoff Mar 2016 #52
Honey Badger don't care. nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #72
Nebraska would surprise me slightly PatrynXX Mar 2016 #46
Rec, but I think that the "Deep-Red-Republican South" meme blackspade Mar 2016 #48
"Deep-Red-Republican South" issue is cultural, NOT racial. Ask yourself: has Sanders won the white Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #65
What about all the people who haven't even voted yet? alarimer Mar 2016 #80
Caucusing for Bernie in Kansas tomorrow! nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #62
Me too MuseRider Mar 2016 #97
I am in Lawrence. You? nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #155
Just South of Topeka. MuseRider Mar 2016 #226
So we're counting "states" now? I thought it was DELEGATES. Interesting. Go figure! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #66
You may be surprised to learn this, but neither polls nor betting markets are DELEGATE specific so Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #78
Not quite as super Saturday? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #75
Wow - I had no idea. Thanks for posting! jillan Mar 2016 #76
Damn, I thought those were poll numbers at first! xynthee Mar 2016 #79
This is why team Clinton is trying to hard to convince us to give up. arcane1 Mar 2016 #81
We will not give up. n/t Cleita Mar 2016 #86
keep fighting and dana_b Mar 2016 #131
Hillary and Trump sweep the South. Bernie has the Progressive vote locked down. sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #82
Thanks for posting ejbr Mar 2016 #83
Go, Bernie! silverweb Mar 2016 #88
Supporting Hillary in Maine. I sent in an absentee ballot. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #90
Glad you are getting a chance to exercise your franchise. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #140
85+% in Maine would be a good grab for Sanders SheenaR Mar 2016 #91
That would be pretty optimistic. I'd love to see it, but I'll be happy with a comfortable win. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #95
Definitely Optimistic SheenaR Mar 2016 #99
True. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #104
those weren't polls, but betting percentages. Polls have Bernie up about 15 points in Maine magical thyme Mar 2016 #162
Lol SheenaR Mar 2016 #213
W00T!!!! MissDeeds Mar 2016 #96
Thanks. I was about to put something like this together to keep track of Bernie's progress Cleita Mar 2016 #100
My husband and I will caucus for Bernie on Sunday in Maine! jopacaco Mar 2016 #103
Thank you! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #139
The Civil War is over, all states in the "Deep South" (i.e., "Dixie") were readmitted to the Union.. George II Mar 2016 #107
So we agree that the Dixie vote is not to be valued to the exclusion of the MAJORITY of votes cast Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #112
"We agree that it is offensive for someone to declare victory based on the Dixie vote" George II Mar 2016 #141
They were never readmitted. They never left the Union in the first place. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #235
"Dates of southern states readmitted to the U.S." George II Mar 2016 #244
They never left the Union. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #245
I'm keeping my mouth shut, then, til AFTER this weekend. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #116
K&R! Duval Mar 2016 #122
Bill Clinton is going to be busy shutting down polling stations this weekend! nt valerief Mar 2016 #123
Wait until he hits the left coast states. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #124
The race is for delegates, not states Progressive dog Mar 2016 #126
The reality is that Bernie needed Super Tuesday to be within 150 delegates to remain viable. He beat magical thyme Mar 2016 #166
I'm caucusing for Bernie in Kansas! Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #127
Thank you! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #130
Go Bernie! Go Bernie!! dana_b Mar 2016 #128
well Hillary's acolytes are still whistling Dixie azurnoir Mar 2016 #136
And Dixie won't help her in the least come November Lorien Mar 2016 #211
Good news for Bernie and all of us as progressives aaaaaa5a Mar 2016 #138
that's how i see it as well griffi94 Mar 2016 #151
... SidDithers Mar 2016 #143
Jury results. edbermac Mar 2016 #160
in short: Hillary is toast Helen Borg Mar 2016 #169
Only on "Sanders Underground". Beacool Mar 2016 #177
Hillary is predicted to win the following states. Beacool Mar 2016 #175
LA has more delegates and is more representative of the Dem electorate. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #186
LOL, it's not Republicans in the South who vote for Hillary. ucrdem Mar 2016 #190
Probably will inspire more donations, though the campaign's supporters have already been amazing Babel_17 Mar 2016 #194
My question is RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #203
He leads in pretty much every State a Dem can win in a general election Lorien Mar 2016 #206
K & R! SoapBox Mar 2016 #221
The wife and I are caucusng for Bernie in NE tomorrow with a 2 year old. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #227
Winning states is nice but winning delegates is better and Bernie needs to win a delegate rich state LonePirate Mar 2016 #231
I hope he does! Turin_C3PO Mar 2016 #232
So what? MaggieD Mar 2016 #233
Bernie does well in caucus states ecstatic Mar 2016 #237
And SHOW UP at the polls, because Bernie can still win. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #239
Since you raised the issue of "Deep South" and "Dixie", I thought it might be useful..... George II Mar 2016 #246
The number of states don't matter. The number of delegates do. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #247
Go Bernie! nt TBF Mar 2016 #248
Number of delegates? 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #255
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #259
hmm? demwing Mar 2016 #260
k & r (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #261
You do realize that... George II Mar 2016 #262
Bernie has the progressive, Independent, Feminist, gaining rapidly in the progressive minority sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #271

PWPippin

(213 posts)
85. Our pleasure and our obligation for our grandchildren.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:33 PM
Mar 2016

We attended Bernie's rally in Portland on Wednesday. It was so heartening to see so many young people lined up in the windy bitter cold rain hours before the doors were to open and the young people who have volunteered. I felt like an old war horse back in the traces energized by the enthusiasm and optimism. I don't want to see that quashed. Bernie must win!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
153. What a great report. It really has been so kuhl to have younger people
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

Invigorating our society - everything from them helping with transitional camps when tornadoes or wildfires devastate a community, to pulling together for a progressive cause!

PWPippin

(213 posts)
204. At the first Bernie gathering I attended,
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016

I said that this election really belongs to younger generations than mine, that they need to grab hold and begin to shape their future, begin to clean up after those of us who came before and in so many ways made a mess. As I said, I just hope they won't become demoralized, can keep their fire burning and begin to turn this rather sorry ship of state around.

My real initiation to campaigning for a President was when JFK ran. I couldn't vote, yet. You had to be 21. However, I proudly wore my "If I were 21, I'd vote for Kennedy" button, headed publicity on campus and met every whistle stop I could. I see a (much) younger me in the young people I'm meeting. It is exciting and heartening.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
192. You sound like my grandparents
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

Sadly, they passed away a few years ago, but they would have volunteered for Sanders and been really excited to see a self-described socialist have even a chance at becoming president. Part of my decision to support him was based on the fact that they are not around to do so. If he does win the election I will be really sad that they didn't live to see it.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
210. I think your grandparents would be very proud of you.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

They planted a political seed in you that you are honoring. With Bernie's vision and the combined work, dedication and will of many many people, may that seed come into fruition.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
219. Aww, thank you
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

I have some great memories of campaigning with my grandparents for Howard Dean and Barack Obama. My grandma was active in the civil rights movement back in the 60's, and I am really glad she lived long enough to see Obama's election in 2008. She got a little choked up when we went to an Obama rally in April 2008, saying she never thought we would see a black president in her lifetime.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
242. What treasured memories!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:05 AM
Mar 2016

You grandmother and I seemed to follow a similar political path. I took my two boys with me when I campaigned for local candidates and for McGovern. Then they grew up and I moved away. I was a Dean delegate at the state level and phone banked for Obama and, now Sanders. I worry that the younger people now involved will become dispirited if the worst happens, and we'll lose a generation of activists.

I was involved in a very small way in the civil rights movement when I was a college student and I was part of a group that picketed the S&W Cafeteria in Lynchburg, VA. I'm happy for your grandmother and you that she saw Obama take the oath of office. Against great odds, Obama was able to get a lot accomplished. I'm going to miss them and, especially, Michelle.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
144. Awesome! Look forward to hearing how it goes!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

As a side note... there's a lot of dirty tricks being employed against Bernie Supporters, so keep alert and stay safe!

Might also be good to know what some of those shenanigans look like. Here's some of the dirty tricks that have been used: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280129486

Go Bernie!!!

PWPippin

(213 posts)
205. Thanks for the heads up.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

I've been appalled at some of the shenanigans (too nice a word for what they're doing) the dark side has been using.

I'll post how it goes on Sunday.



PWPippin

(213 posts)
218. It's a curious process. Enjoy.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

I enjoyed reading your sig line explanation about why you registered as a Dem. Bernie is such a rare person and is so needed at this time. Sometimes it seems as though he was sent to us to lead the way - and I'm not a religious person.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
195. Yeah! As goes Maine . . .
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe ill see you. I'll be wearing my Bernie smile.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. You understand that Hillary will win more delegates this weekend?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

blow out wins in big states is what Bernie desperately needs. He is not getting them.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
41. seems he is doing fine..
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

Both have four states the dems win. only one that is iffy is Virginia and it is iffy in twqo ways.. one it's still purple two it shows the dem establishment (DC) supported Clinton.. the ol' status quo.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
54. Wins mean nothing. Delegates mean everything.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

he is nearly 200 delegates down right now. Hillary is set up to win some big states with large delegate counts in the next two weeks.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
59. yes, and when it gets closer seeing hillary
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:07 PM
Mar 2016

won by less than 2% in Iowa, 4% in Nevada and 2% in Massachusetts will make the super delegates wonder about the purple states she lost. Colorado, N.H. She is in just about the same postion she was when losing in 2008, from recollection.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
71. When she wins Michigan by a large margin, what will your excuse be then?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

There is no comparison to 2008. Remember - she barely won the popular vote and barely lost the delegate count. Right now she is winning both by large margins.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
105. The "excuse" will be
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:52 PM
Mar 2016

the wanton ignorance of your average dullard D-type. That and the slanted playboard the DNC has concocted.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
156. Damn, well said, my sentiments exactly.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

Most all of the people I've run into who support Hillary know very little about issues and who has supported what over their careers.

They know even less when it comes to any kind of system analysis of what has brought our country to its current situation, the dynamics of globalism verses populism, mass incarceration, drug policy, health policy (our uniquely american (corporate) solution), dismantling of regulatory structures and social safety nets, and the extent to which empire and its managers influence the Democratic Party as it is currently constructed.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
199. Indeed!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

SO MANY know naught of the issues and HER stance on them. It's all about "she's earned it" or "it's HER turn" or the unspoken but undeniable Bill's other half. Genuinely makes me SHUDDER to think of the reasons that might well put her in the WH. Reasons every bit as valid as Make America Great Again!

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
208. They're all heavy television consumers, in my experience
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

They aren't civic minded American citizens; they're easy marks for advertisers and propagandists. They "just like" Hillary, and they really don't know why. TV has that effect on many people.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
229. Yes, and I think the system has worked for them
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

The pain hasn't fully spread to enough of them yet, and they aren't overly concerned that for so many it has.

They have bought into an ideology, which, despite its many flaws and collateral damage, is working for a number of them, at least superficially, though climate change, economic collapse, and wars will ultimately put the lie to this.

But for now, the ones I know are either old, done, and comfortable (don't rock the boat), or they're people with successful, mostly corporate careers who think those less fortunate should just get with the program.

But yeah, TV is a huge part of it, and the whole zeitgeist that corporate media has created.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
234. This sort of sanctimonious thought process I think is part of why Sanders is losing
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

It takes an incredible amount of arrogance and lack of self-reflection to assume that the people who disagree with you are all stupid. It's kind of hard to convince people to vote with you if you spend all your time looking down your nose at them.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
270. yes that's exactly right
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

#berniebro #racist #troll

more likely is the political IOU, like her other 283019283092803 unelected superdelegates

i guess that's technically corruption

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
269. I guess you consider hillary's AA supporters . ..
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

..... to be ignorant, average dullards. And maybe their participation is part of the DNCs devious plot against Bernie ?

kath

(10,565 posts)
117. Not even 2% in MA - only 1% (to another significant figure, it is 1.4%. Which does NOT round to 2%)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Response to kath (Reply #117)

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
256. Delegates are important if you want Sanders to be the nominee
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders is not keeping up in the delegate race for pledged delegates and is really far behind with respect to super delegates.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
60. Such a Hillary 'win' will tear this party apart
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

And lead to a Hillary trouncing, at the hands of Trump, the likes of which this country has never seen. Mark these words.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
200. We're not the ones who won't be voting in November
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

Low information voters who are not engaged right now like we are will vote for the reality tv guy or stay home. Hillary has failed to offer a reason for the average drive by voter to vote for her other than she is not as bad as the alternative. That is not a recipe for a good turnout.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
84. She is ahead in popular votes and delegates
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

And should continue the trend this weekend and March 15. How is that a "win" when she is leading in both?

IT'S A WIN!

greymouse

(872 posts)
101. it will be a lose
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:48 PM
Mar 2016

in the general if she gets that far. Nominee Hillary = President Trump. Nominee Bernie = President Bernie.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
106. Have you been readin' those pesky polls again?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:54 PM
Mar 2016

Surely you realize the fix is in for the anointed!

SCantiGOP

(13,865 posts)
108. The voters put in the fix
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

Sure you'll find a way to classify this as irrelevant, but last Tuesday Sanders won four states and picked up 28 more delegates than Clinton. In Texas alone (one of 7 states she won) she picked up 95 more delegates than Sanders.
In fact, in Georgia, Tennessee and Virginia she had a bigger margin in delegates won in each individual state than Sanders had in his four wins combined.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
129. Yup!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

And how many of them - would you venture - are as informed as we here at DU are? Or Miss-Informed (or simply NOT informed) by the bogus news outlets they partake of? How many of them saw the debates on weekend nights? Yeah, Bernie's gotten fair and equal treatment by the DNC - all the way.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
207. And when the delegrates see that Hillary can't possibly win without carrying blue States
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

they'll make the logical switch.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
222. It doesn't work that way
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

They are pledged to Hillary. If she has enough she is the nominee. They can't change on the first vote at convention .

hack89

(39,171 posts)
224. Not pledged delegates
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

They reflect the will of the voters. They have to vote Hillary the first round of voting.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
253. So the blue states will suddenly go red for Trump?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

Logic problem there.

It's the very white states Sanders is winning that are far more likely to go for Donald of the Dead Muskrat Hairpiece.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
257. Super delegates will vote in the best interest of the party including down ballot races
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders would kill down ballot candidates and so it will be very very hard to get any super delegates to flip to Sanders.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
56. Ummm.. There's a lot of Virginia that isn't anywhere near DC
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think the folks in Richmond and the surrounding areas are part of the "dem establishment (DC)" but they went for Clinton as did the vast majority of the counties in the state.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
63. There seems to be less indication of PUMAs from the Clinton side than the Sanders side
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

and I say that as someone who voted for Sanders in the Virginia primary and who wants him to stay in the race until the convention even if he is mathematically eliminated before then.

If there is something from the Clinton side akin the pledge drives I've seen referenced here that seek to have Sanders supporters pledge to write in Sanders' name if he doesn't get the nomination, I haven't seen it.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
67. yes
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders supporters are more vocal, but Hillary supporters don't want to let people know they skipped in 2008. You know, they are about perception more than fact. I watched the GOP debates last night, I seriously doubt any liberal will avoid the presidential vote if they witnessed that display of nonsense.

bbrady42

(175 posts)
109. It seems exactly like 2008
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

One candidate's chances of winning enough delegates to get the nomination keeps getting smaller and smaller, but the candidate's supporters choose not to accept that.

In 2008 that candidate was Hillary Clinton.
In 2016 it's Bernie Sanders.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
92. No, you see he is badly behind, which means he
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016

has to win a lot more DELEGATES than Hillary. He can win more delegates than her from a lot of smaller states and continue to lose all the while (simply because he is not winning enough to catch up), and that is what is expected to happen.

Don't forget, even in those states he gets a majority in, she's also adding delegates to her total.

Then we get to all the states she is expected to win by solid to large majorities, and most of those are larger states.

As of now,
Hillary has 1058
Bernie has 431
Uncommitted 172

Remaining delegates to win 3275

Response to Hortensis (Reply #92)

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
165. You realize you are counting Superdelegates, right? Which can change and are not counted until
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

the convention?

They may state their personal preferences, but that doesn't mean that's the way they will vote.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. Keep telling yourself that certain states don't count if it makes you feel better
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

When Hillary is accepting the nomination in Philadelphia, you'll be screaming that it didn't count.

BTW, Hillary is going to blow out Bernie in Louisiana so the chances are pretty good that she'll end up winning more delegates this weekend.

But remember, it doesn't count!

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
14. The primary calendar does not bend strongly in Sanders' favor until March 22 through April 9.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

The races after Super Dixie Tuesday and up through March 15 are a mixed bag - some leaning toward each candidate and some probably too close to call.

We'll see soon enough!

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
27. Pretty sure Hillary is favored, overwhelmingly in every contest after this weekend
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

Through the 15th, with the exception of Missouri (Which didn't have any recent polling to go on at this time).

Nothing else from March 8 through 15 can be considered a mixed bag.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
31. It's hard to say how events and state-by-state results will play out between now and then. We'll see
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:43 PM
Mar 2016

soon enough.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
77. Which is why Kos and company are calling for him to drop out after March 15
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

Never mind that Hillary herself didn't quit until June last time.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
134. Yep...at that point, unless the constant media "it's over" bleating works, the tables turn.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

The question is whether or not it's enough, in time...

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
220. Not just the SoS nomination.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

Also help paying back her 2008 campaign debt. And most importantly, a cleared path to the 2016 nomination and her choice of DNC head.

I also think that Bill has been allowed to act as the Democratic facto head of the party during Obama's administration, as he was from 2001-'08. But that's just a feeling.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
258. I love the way that you cherry pick and cite some results of Predictwise but ignore others
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

According to Predictwise, Sanders has 5% to 6% probability of being the Democratic nominee. These percentages are far more meaningful that cherry picking individual states and ignoring the number of delegates that are available in these states.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
263. It's not cherry picking - I'm expecting betting markets to accurately predict events occurring today
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

and tomorrow (and the betting markets have a pretty good record of accuracy for such short short-term predictions).

I am discounting (but not ignoring) betting market predictions about events months and months away for which data is still being gathered. Betting markets are not particularly accurate at predicting events months and months away for which data is still being gathered (this summer, for example, Jeb! was a huge betting market favorite and Trump was a longshot).

Sanders' long term chances have gone up and down in the betting markets, and they will continue to go up and down (for example, they will go UP when Sanders wins Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine this weekend; they may gown the week after that; they will rise during the stretch from March 22 to April 9).

This is how betting markets work.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
273. Your cherry picking is amusing
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

Winning three small states that do not represent the demographics of the Democratic Party are not likely to affect the betting or predictive markets given that the markets expect that the results of the Louisiana primary will likely offset these results. With proportional representation, it is difficult to overcome the either pledge delegate lead or the total delegate lead enjoyed by Clinton. The predictive markets are well aware of the number of delegates at stake and have factored this into the long term odds or probability of Sanders becoming the nominee. The predictive markets have also factored in the likely-hood of super delegates flipping.

How many super delegates do you know. I saw that Gilberto Hinojosa committed this week. http://www.democraticunderground.com/110762736 Good luck in convincing a super delegate like Chairman Hinojosa to change his vote to a candidate who will likely hurt down ballot races in Texas. Again, the current delegate lead enjoyed by Hillary Clinton is real and will be very difficult to overcome.

You can cherry pick favorable results for individual states to your hearts content but the results in these states are not going to materially affect the odds of Sanders being the nominee of the Democratic Party.

If you really believe that Sanders will be the nominee, then the current odds should be attractive to you. You can lock these odds in by buying an option agreement on one of the markets. The purchase of such an option or the placing of the bet depending on the market would lock the returns in now. While the odds will change in the future, you can lock in a favorable pricing now if you so believe your own analysis.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
17. And when Trump is being sworn in, what will you tell yourself to make yourself feel better?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:16 PM
Mar 2016

Oh yeah, you'll just blame those damn kids who never show up.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
93. I'll say too bad people were blinded and voted for more corporate takeover
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

We told them she couldn't beat the Republicans but they played deaf.

 

Chelsea2032

(38 posts)
33. Bernie has no chance in the south
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

White-male, Northeastern-jew does not do well south of the Mason Dixon. This is setting up for a long campaign. Hillary sweeps the South, Bernie dominates west of the Mississippi, and the Northeast will determine the next president.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
121. Maybe if we had a 35-45 year old dynamic guy telling us he was going to bring us health care
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

and stop wars etc, people might elect him, but probably not as we have been fooled way too many times.

GeoWilliam750

(2,521 posts)
125. Quick question
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

In 1992, in the general election, in how many of the 50 states did Bill receive an absolute majority of the vote?

Answer. He had a grand total of ONE, Arkansas. Bill only won the national election with 43% of the national vote in 1992 because the Republican vote was split by Ross Perot.

In 1996, Bill did better with his incumbent advantage, almost exactly equaling the combined Dole and Perot. Because of Perot splitting the Republican vote, Bill took Arizona, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Wisconsin. Without these states, Bill would have still received 270 of 538 electoral votes, thus squeaking into the presidency because the New Hampshire vote was further split by the Libertarian party.

With all the advantages of an incumbent with a strong economy, Bill Clinton was able to achieve a majority of the vote in 19 states with a total of 230 electoral votes. This strikes me as less than an overwhelming achievement. Obama's victories on the other hand were impressive indeed.

In both of his presidential campaigns, a majority of the electorate voted AGAINST Bill Clinton. Then the question is, in 1996, in how many Southern states did Bill Clinton receive an absolute majority?

The answer is two - Arkansas and Louisiana.

Bill Clinton should kneel before a statue of Ross Perot every morning in thanks for his intervention in two elections. And Hillary is not Bill.

Looking at the 2016 Presidential election, who is going to split the Republican vote so that Hillary can take the Southern states?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
250. Jesse Ventura
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

Looking sorta/kinda likely. Trump up against Jesse? Who's going to be cutting whose hair?
And, he'd likely get a lot of Sanders' indie Libertarian voters.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
53. Hmmm...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

So Republicans have beaten the Dems in voter turnout in every contest so far....

And Bernie is more appealing to conservatives more than Hillary...

You really think Hillary would win the GE? Those are ingredients enough to show that she won't. Low Dem turnout and little conservative appeal?

6chars

(3,967 posts)
230. there seems to be a demographic split in dem voting patterns
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:53 AM
Mar 2016

from what I have read, it is not so much left-right in the party, as Hillary having very strong AA support compared to Bernie, and that largely explains her lead. it is unclear whether how that AA support to the average AA positions on the left-right spectrum. if the opinion polls and exit polls that indicate the strong AA support are also categorizing most AA voters as liberal Democrats, that would explain why Hillary is doing relatively better with liberal Democrats and Bernie with moderate Democrats than might be expected

unc70

(6,109 posts)
12. Unlikely LA will offset the other three states
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

I suppose it could happen, but right now it looks like a modest gain for Sanders from those four states. Her lead in LA could be large, but it is a small state.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. LA has 58 delegates and Bernie is polling below the 15% threshold
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

So Hillary has a good chance to get them all. That's a big hole for Bernie.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
135. Hardly surprising in that state.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

So she wins by a landslide in another state that will give its Electors to the Republican.

If we can't turn this around, November is going to be a disaster of Biblical proportions.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
238. You think Kansas and Nebraska will be won by the Democratic nominee?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:35 AM
Mar 2016

It doesn't matter that Louisiana has more Republicans than Democrats when we're talking about a Democratic primary. Which state's Democratic electorate do you think is more representative of the overall/nationwide Democratic electorate, Louisiana or Nebraska? North Carolina or Kansas? Mississippi or Minnesota? Florida or Vermont?

Do you really think the Democratic electorate in Georgia is drastically different from the Democratic electorate in Illinois?

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
265. LA is 32% AA...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

.,.. the second largest AA population in the country. So their vote isn't important in selecting the Democratic nominee ? And why, exactly?

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
268. Well, that's a relief. Hope you ....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

.... think these things through a little bit more before you dismiss the importance of our fellow democrates participation again.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
272. "Again" requires doing something a first time.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

Please don't erect straw men or make false accusations, m'kay? They tend to make condescending quips about my thought process look a tad, um...ironic.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
57. Why is it wrong?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is polling below the 15% threshold in LA so Hillary most likely will take all 58 delegates. She will also take her share of the delegates from the other, smaller states.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
18. No states are meaningless. Clinton's performance in the less progressive states has meaning just as
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

her relative under-performance in the more progressive states has a different meaning.

All states get delegates. All states count. All states should have a say (not just the less progressive states front loaded toward the beginning of the primary calendar).

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
168. They are. But they are what we are stuck with at the moment. I'm caucusing on Sunday
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

for the first time and dreading it after the circuses of the Iowa and Nevada caucuses. I'm older, fighting a cold and have much better things to do with my time than waste it on a disorganized clusterfuck. I would have preferred to just vote. I could have opted for the absentee mail-in caucus, but now I feel obligated to go to observe, in order to record and report any and all irregularities I see.


MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
22. Not this month, though.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

NY is in April, and CA in June. Lots of stuff to come before those.

Both appear to be in Hillary's camp, based on current polling. Even if that changes, the delegates will be split proportionally, as they are in all states.

NY will go for Hillary. California probably will, too, although it may be close. We shall see. There are several primaries before those, though, so I'm not watching those states too closely yet.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
55. Bernie is ahead in both ny and Cali...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

and most of the states to come.

You preficted a,Clinton win in MN... so... you've lost credibility in the prediction dept.

The only way Clinton wins the nom is via superdelegates.

And then say hello to Preseident Trump.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
150. Feel free to link so we can all see that the three aggregation sites are wrong
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

And that the news networks are actively ignoring such a seismic shift in the campaign.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
167. Uh huh. Strange.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

I would imagine it would have hundreds of recs. And huge numbers of people screaming about the MSM not talking about it.

Or it doesn't exist.

I'm picking the second option.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
183. For God's sake then, prove it
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Because right now your polls are add mythical as the animal of your username.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
188. No need to prove reality.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

It was posted on this forum yesterday with links.

I didn't bother saving it, nor do I care to search.

It just is what it is.

He is ahead in CA and NY.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
172. I'm picking your second option too. If it was so pervasive in this forum, that person could have
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

linked to it 12 times by now.

Between your numbers and mine, it's clear that right now, Clinton is whooping Sanders pretty damn bad in both states.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
178. I even went to Overtime Politics, the wretched hive of scum and villainy
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

For those who want dishonest results, and even they have nothing on NY or CA. They don't exist, even in fraudulent form.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
174. My info is from February. You have not posted anything except "he's leading. I don't have a single
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

link, article, blog or shred of evidence to prove it, but he's leading."

I'll take RCP, even if it was five year old data, over some anonymous person on the Internet any day of the week.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
180. Okay.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

It was posted on this forum yesterday.

He is ahead in both NY and CA.

It's just the facts.

But Clintonites aren't good with those, are they?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
182. If you liked "facts" you would have posted them the first five times you were asked
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

You should really stop embarrassing yourself now.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
184. I think the poster is bored and just passing the time
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

Probably a signal we should stop giving the poster his or her weird source of fun.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
189. I don't think it's fun, I think it's some weird type of desperate hope and denial
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

It's kind of sad, whatever it is.

But either way a) I'm bored and b) it's obvious he's got nothing. So yeah, I think we can head out to something a bit more interesting.

Response to Number23 (Reply #189)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
275. As late as you are to this thread and discussion, you'd think you'd be better able to read through
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

and stay on topic.

The conversation was CLEARLY about Hillary beating Sanders in California and New York. Why you are coming in a day late and dollar short with some polls that show the race between Clinton and Trump is ridiculous and incredibly hilarious.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
24. Along with some other states, as well.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

Keep an eye on this site:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

You can follow the pledged delegate count there, as well as the popular vote.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
32. Yes, those too.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

I haven't memorized the total number of delegates in each state, but when I do look, it's eye-opening.

Florida, Ohio and Illinois are monster states for delegates. Together, they swamp whole collections of other states, it seems.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
49. exactly
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

we are doing what we can in Illinois to defeat Her Corporateness, but you know with the Rahm machine she so loves Oh BTW Hillary is lucky I am not sponsoring commercials in Illinois I'd tie her to Rahm Emmanuel in every which way.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
254. downstate illinois here
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:25 PM
Mar 2016

this morning doing errands i saw several bernie yard signs and a few bumper stickers

not one hc yet

if chicago votes for her after the stuff rahm has pulled i will be surprised

i wish some young person would put together a commercial with the rahm info.....to spread on the net

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
35. Check out March 15
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:46 PM
Mar 2016

And the delegates available in the various states. It's hard to win the nomination when your victories are in low delegate states.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
38. Gotta take each week as it comes. After March 15 comes a GREAT stretch for Sanders and March 15 may
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

have some surprises for those Hillarians who insist on counting chickens before they have hatched.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
69. What surprise?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

Those states have demographics that favor Sanders. His campaign has explicitly said they are targeting caucus states because they think they do better with lower turnout. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137
They have been open about that for months.

But the fact is LA has the biggest delegate haul tomorrow, and Clinton is overwhelmingly favored. Depending on margins, it's possible Clinton could lose those three states yet still wil more delegates than Sanders tomorrow. Regardless, he won't be able to cut into her lead much.


It's unfortunate that you can't deal with something as simple as odds and delegate counts--from the very source your yourself site--without name calling.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
146. "they are targeting caucus states because they think they do better with lower turnout."
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016


From your link:

“Caucuses are very good for Bernie Sanders,” explained chief Sanders strategist Tad Devine, likening the 2016 strategy to the one he deployed as Mike Dukakis’ field director in 1988. “Caucuses tend to be in the much-lower turnout universe, and having people who intensely support you in events like that makes a huge difference. You saw that with President Obama in 2008, and you’re going to see it with Bernie Sanders."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137#ixzz41ymlFs3Q


Does that not say everything that needs to be fucking said or what??????? And Obama's appeal was, is and always has been significantly greater than Sanders' within the Dem party so them trying to do the "we're doing what Obama did in 2008" is surreal.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
98. Even California will come too late to save Bernie. He'd have to win by a HUGE margin...but he won't.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:46 PM
Mar 2016

The numbers just are there. Time is running out. The polls do not favor him. Just some small-delegate states (which he'll have to share/split the delegates with Hillary) and those states don't have enough to make up for the BIG wins that Hillary will have in some DELEGATE RICH states.

Go, Hillary! We love you!


iandhr

(6,852 posts)
42. If we follow the logic of some Sanders supporters Nebraska, Kansas don't matter.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

I heard all the time that Clinton's victories in red state primaries didn't matter. So Sanders don't either if we use the same standers.


I am of the opinion that they all matter. Both Clinton wins and potential Sanders wins.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
50. I consider Nebraska to be a shade of purple
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

because of Omaha. But Kansas suggests to me an electorate thats pissed at the anti government squad (Tea Party)

I don't know much about Maine except Stephen King is probably a fan

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
51. If we follow the logic of Clinton, she was dodging a barrage of sniper fire in this photo:
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016


Brian Williams was fired for less self aggrandizing "exaggeration" than this.
 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
214. Notice how she bravely kept her cool!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

And one has to remember that she can keep her cool when rising to the top because she was named after famed mountaineer, Sir Edmund Hillary.

Or, maybe not: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
52. If i followed the logic of hillary supporters
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

Corporate money and speeches don't matter, but hey that's a different topic isn't it? Support for bad trade deals don't matter. Support for regime change don't matter. Support for Monsanto don't matter. Wal-mart, ad infitum

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
46. Nebraska would surprise me slightly
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

more or less at one time one section of the state went Obama. Don't know what but in 2012 they counted the whole state so it went against Obama. Closet to Omaha the more blue things are.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
48. Rec, but I think that the "Deep-Red-Republican South" meme
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

Does a great disservice to the Black voters by minimizing their voices in this primary.
I don't like that they voted for Clinton, but that was their choice to make.
Using that choice as a cudgel in the way you're framing it only further alienates Black voters from Sanders and his message.

So can we as a group drop the "Deep-Red-Republican South" angle and work to be more inclusive even to people that, at this point, aren't feeling the Bern like the rest of us?

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
65. "Deep-Red-Republican South" issue is cultural, NOT racial. Ask yourself: has Sanders won the white
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

vote in the states of the SEC? Leaving aside the Hispanic vote and the African American vote and all other racial and ethnic minority votes, how are white voters in the states of the SEC responding to the progressive candidate in the race as compared to white voters outside of the SEC states?

Leaving all African Americans out of the equation, the Deep South isn't overly welcoming of Progressives, and is especially unwelcoming of Progressives from the Northeast (not to mention Jewish Progressives from the Northeast).

Ask yourself: When someone from one of the states of the SEC calls someone else a "Yankee," are you of the impression that they generally mean this as a positive compliment on their geographic home state? We're in agreement that the phrase "Damn Yankee" is more commonly heard in the South than the phrase "Beloved Yankee," right?

No one is disputing that there are Klansman outside of the states of the SEC, but isn't it an indisputable fact that the predominance of these Klansmen are in states of the SEC? Do you think it is the African Americans in the states of the SEC that have not socially ostracized such blatant racists because I don not subscribe to that view even one bit. There is a hostility to Progressivism in the Deep South that has nothing whatsoever to do with the African Americans in those states.

THIS IS NOT A RACIAL ISSUE, BUT IT IS NOT A SECRET THAT THE DEEP SOUTH IS LESS PROGRESSIVE THAN MOST OF THE US.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
80. What about all the people who haven't even voted yet?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

I think all these calls (from the media and from people like Kos) calling for him to drop out as early as the 15th do the same thing.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
226. Just South of Topeka.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

We caucus in Topeka. I just got home from eating in Lawrence. Lots of young people asking about the caucusing and how to do it, all very excited to go and all for Bernie. Of course it is Lawrence but.....only one I heard from who is probably going for Clinton but she was older like me.

One of my husbands cousins was in Lawrence yesterday when Bernie was in town. I don't think she knew he was there but she saw all this activity as she was driving down Mass street and when she stopped at the light she noticed that Bernie was standing right in front of her car, crossing of course but she was stunned. What a surprise that would have been!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. So we're counting "states" now? I thought it was DELEGATES. Interesting. Go figure!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016
Go, Hillary! We love you!




Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
78. You may be surprised to learn this, but neither polls nor betting markets are DELEGATE specific so
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

projecting a state win or loss is about as specific as you can reasonably project (and even polls and betting markets are not all that accurate).

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
81. This is why team Clinton is trying to hard to convince us to give up.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:28 PM
Mar 2016

She's been reduced to needing overseas fundraisers in order to get campaign cash, while our momentum is still rising.

They know she will lose if we don't give up.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
91. 85+% in Maine would be a good grab for Sanders
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016

Will be tough though to get over the threshold. Nebraska will not be close but only 25 delegates and Kansas will not give us a ton.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
162. those weren't polls, but betting percentages. Polls have Bernie up about 15 points in Maine
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

not 85.

I did a double-take when I saw those numbers, then re-read.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
100. Thanks. I was about to put something like this together to keep track of Bernie's progress
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

but you did it. Thanks again.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
103. My husband and I will caucus for Bernie on Sunday in Maine!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

We have never gone before so this is a first for us. Go Bernie!!!!

George II

(67,782 posts)
107. The Civil War is over, all states in the "Deep South" (i.e., "Dixie") were readmitted to the Union..
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:56 PM
Mar 2016

....about 150+ years ago.

Their citizens are Americans and have the right to vote, and each of their votes is just as important as the votes of people in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
112. So we agree that the Dixie vote is not to be valued to the exclusion of the MAJORITY of votes cast
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

after March 15?

We agree that it is offensive for someone to declare victory based on the Dixie vote before a majority of voters have had their say in the race?

I'm not disputing that the Deep South gets a vote in the nominating process; I'm disputing that a handful of the least progressive Republican states get to choose the Democratic nominee before a majority of Democratic states even get to cast their votes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
141. "We agree that it is offensive for someone to declare victory based on the Dixie vote"
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

No we don't "agree" - who said that or even implied that? Certainly not me.

And you're also ignoring the fact that in those "handful of the least progressive states", those who voted were Democrats voting in Democratic primaries. You're acting like they were republicans.

The way it works is that Democrats get to choose the Democratic nominee, regardless of what state they live in.

I didn't see anyone complaining when Sanders was "ahead" after only two states, with very small constituencies that were atypical of American demographics, voted.

George II

(67,782 posts)
244. "Dates of southern states readmitted to the U.S."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:43 AM
Mar 2016
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/dates-of-southern-states-readmitted-to-the-u-s-and-local-rule-reestablished.19808/

South Carolina:
-Seceded: Dec. 20, 1860
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb. 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: July 9, 1868
-Local rule reestablished: Nov. 28, 1876

Mississippi:
-Seceded: Jan. 9, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb. 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: Beg. 23, 1870
-Local rule reestablished: Jan. 4, 1876

Florida:
-Seceded: Jan 10, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb. 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: June 25, 1868
-Local rule reestablished: Jan 2, 1877

Alabama:
-Seceded: Jan. 11, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb. 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: July 14, 1868
-Local rule reestablished: Nov. 16, 1874

Georgia:
-Seceded: Jan. 19, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: July 15, 1870
-Local rule reestablished: Nov. 1, 1871

Louisiana:
-Seceded Jan. 26, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Feb. 4, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: June 25, 1868 or July 9, 1868
-Local rule reestablished: Jan. 2, 1877

Texas:
-Seceded: Feb. 1, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: Mar. 2, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: Mar. 30, 1870
-Local rule reestablished: Jan. 14, 1873

Virginia:
-Seceded: April 17, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: May 7, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: Jan. 26, 1870
-Local rule reestablished: Oct. 5, 1869

Arkansas:
-Seceded: May 6, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: May 18, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: June 22, 1868
-Local rule reestablished: Nov. 10, 1874

Tennessee:
-Seceded: May 6, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: May 16, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: July 24, 1866
-Local rule reestablished: Oct. 4, 1869

North Carolina:
-Seceded: May 21, 1861
-Admitted into C.S.: May 16, 1861
-Readmitted into U.S.: July 4, 1868
-Local rule reestablished Nov. 28, 1876
 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
124. Wait until he hits the left coast states.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

I t could be ugly. You may want to send the kiddies to bed early.

We will see what we will see.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
126. The race is for delegates, not states
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

and Hillary is way ahead in delegates awarded in the primaries/caucuses. That is the reality.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
166. The reality is that Bernie needed Super Tuesday to be within 150 delegates to remain viable. He beat
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

that number handily.

The map turns increasingly in his favor as time goes on.

And Hillary is not way ahead *unless* you are prematurely counting Superdelegates, which is a farce. They are not cast in stone, they can and do change their mind, and they vote against the will of the people at their own peril.

Any number of things can happen between now and the convention. That is the reality.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
128. Go Bernie! Go Bernie!!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

I wonder what those at the Daily Kos will write about then... how great it was that their candidate came in second?? How the SDs put her over the edge??

Bernie ALL THE WAY!!!

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
211. And Dixie won't help her in the least come November
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

The South loathes Hillary, and yet they're some of the only states with enough hardcore right wing "Dixiecrats" to give her delegates. There simply aren't enough of them to get her even halfway to a general election win. If her fans were even a little bit honest with themselves they would see this, and realize that we're not going to "fall in line" if her buddies at the DNC crown her the candidate.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
138. Good news for Bernie and all of us as progressives
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

because Bernie wins enough to keep the primary season going. But he doesn't win enough big, important statewide primaries to seriously threaten Clinton's nomination.

This allows both candidates to continue to reach voters and gives Hillary the chance to continue to fine tune her campaign for the GE.

Bernie Sanders is a protest candidate. And I am very happy he has moved our eventual nominee left. I also like long primary seasons. It makes candidates better for the GE. This is why this scenario is good for Hillary.

It s a win/win for all of us.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
151. that's how i see it as well
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

i like that bernie's moving everything left.
i hope he stays in til the convention and while i expect hillary
to have it mostly nailed down by april i'll vote for however our eventual nominee is.

edbermac

(15,933 posts)
160. Jury results.
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Mar 2016

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Beacool

(30,247 posts)
175. Hillary is predicted to win the following states.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016
March 5
Kansas - No recent polling - 33 Delegates
Louisiana - Hillary +40.5 - 51 Delegates
Nebraska - No recent polling - 25 Delegates

March 6
Maine - No recent polling - 25 Delegates

March 8
Michigan - Hillary +19.2 - Predicted to win by the 538 - 130 Delegates
Mississippi - Hillary +34 - 36 Delegates

March 15
Florida - Hillary +29 - Predicted to win by the 538 - 214 Delegates
Illinois - Hillary +19 - Predicted to win by the 538 - 156 Delegates
Missouri - No recent polling - 71 Delegates
North Carolina - Hillary +18.6 - Predicted to win by the 538 - 107 Delegates
Ohio - Hillary +15 - Predicted to win by the 538 - 143 Delegates

Even if Sanders does well in KS, NE and ME, Hillary will rack up more delegates in the primary states.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
186. LA has more delegates and is more representative of the Dem electorate.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

Even if Sanders wins 3 of 4 this weekend, he may not walk away with more delegates. People like to refer to "Dixie" and "Deep South" and even "Confederacy" without acknowledging that the Democratic electorate in those southern states are more representative of the overall Democratic electorate than the Democratic electorate in places like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Maine, Vermont and so on.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
190. LOL, it's not Republicans in the South who vote for Hillary.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

And it's not Republicans who will elect her in November.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
194. Probably will inspire more donations, though the campaign's supporters have already been amazing
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

Sometimes miracles do happen.



lol at the loose change comment, reminded me of Larry David's impression on SNL.



 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
203. My question is
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

Which one of these states will Billy Ray Joe Bob Clinton show up in to do some more electioneering?
If he got away with it in Mass, he will definitely try to get away with it elsewhere.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
206. He leads in pretty much every State a Dem can win in a general election
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

A vote for Bernie is a vote for a Left of Center Democratic President Sanders! A vote for Hillary is a vote for a Fascist Authoritarian egomaniac named President Drumpf, er, "Trump". That should be crystal clear to everyone by now!

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
227. The wife and I are caucusng for Bernie in NE tomorrow with a 2 year old.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:42 AM
Mar 2016

Hopefully our little kiddo will not be too much trouble. Maybe someone will have a bernie sticker for her. She likes stickers.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
231. Winning states is nice but winning delegates is better and Bernie needs to win a delegate rich state
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

I understand the need to project some positivity into things; but the reality is he will likely lose ground in the delegate race despite winning three states this weekend.

Turin_C3PO

(13,909 posts)
232. I hope he does!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

I want this race to stay competitive until the convention. I'll be happy to vote for Hillary in the GE against whichever clown the GOP runs, but I still have faith Bernie can pull this off!

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
237. Bernie does well in caucus states
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:21 AM
Mar 2016

People with a lot of energy and free time show up.

I salute those of you who take part! That's true dedication!

George II

(67,782 posts)
246. Since you raised the issue of "Deep South" and "Dixie", I thought it might be useful.....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

....for people to see the demographics of the three states voting today the three voting tomorrow or Tuesday (and delegates to be chosen):

Saturday:

Kansas White 83%, Black 5%, Hispanic 10%, Asian 2% (33)
Nebraska White 86%, Black 4%, Hispanic 9%, Asian 1% (26)
Louisiana White 62%, Black 32%, Hispanic 4%, Asian 1% (54)

Sunday:

Maine White 95%, Black 1%, Hispanic 1%, Asian 1% (25)

Tuesday:

Michigan White 78%, Black 14%, Hispanic 4%, Asian 2% (133)
Mississippi White 59%, Black 37%, Hispanic 2%, Asian <1% (36)

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
247. The number of states don't matter. The number of delegates do.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:13 AM
Mar 2016

By the end of the day, Clinton's win in Louisiana will negate Bernie's gains.

If the KNM states mattered, she would have campaigned hard there. She didn't.

Winning delegates is all that counts.

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
255. Number of delegates?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

How many delegates would Sanders get out of those three states?

I'm starting to lose hope for Bernie. The consensus outside Democratic Underground seems to be that he is already done for. I hope not, of course, but I'm starting to feel that we are clutching at straws.

Response to 21st Century Poet (Reply #255)

George II

(67,782 posts)
262. You do realize that...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

...Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma are conservative Red States and Massachusetts and Virginia are liberal Blue States.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
271. Bernie has the progressive, Independent, Feminist, gaining rapidly in the progressive minority
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

vote while Hillary only has the Third Way vote.

She will win the Blue Dog dems, so few of them left anyhow as progressive Dems threw them out in the last two mid terms.

Bernie is going to win this election.

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