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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:42 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton's Enthusiasm Peters Out On The Campaign Trail

The warm-up acts fluffed their lines. The microphone kept dropping out. At one point, the room went black when the lights unexpectedly cut.

Bill Clinton, the former US president, did the job he was sent for. He made the case to a gathering of students at Tarrant County College, Fort Worth - that his wife Hillary should be the Democratic nominee for president. But it was a battle. He sounded - and looked - tired and old.

He struggled to keep his sense of humour about that hopeless microphone. There was a hardcore of excited supporters, cheering his exhortation to get votes out of strangers on the street. But the rally felt altogether flat, especially when I compared it to the last time I saw Bill Clinton stumping for a candidate - Barack Obama - in 2012.

It's not really fair to compare Texas, a day before Super Tuesday, to the momentum behind Obama in Ohio (a vital swing state) days out from the last election. Texas is hardly inundated with enthusiastic Democrats, and picking the nominee is not the same as picking the president. But the differences between then and now are important.

Whereas Obama's 2012 campaign was able to excite a palpable and widespread sense of energy and excitement, Clinton's, so far, has not. There is a wild enthusiasm fuelling her sole rival in the Democratic race, Bernie Sanders. A fearsome anger powers the Donald Trump juggernaut. Hillary Clinton has … excellent organisation and first-class networks for funding and endorsements. Jeb Bush had those too.

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Hillary Clinton's Enthusiasm Peters Out On The Campaign Trail (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2016 OP
This was written about Texas? How did that turn out? Metric System Mar 2016 #1
Turned out Hillary is still a corporate Shill Perogie Mar 2016 #4
This response is very telling. Sounds like you put me on ignore simply because I support Hillary. Metric System Mar 2016 #7
Hillary won Texas in a blowout, okasha Mar 2016 #18
she will lose it in the general if she gets there. roguevalley Mar 2016 #32
Her chances here would be much enhanced by Julian Castro for VP. okasha Mar 2016 #33
LOL! Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #37
If one only read this forum, you'd never know that Hillary was ahead. grossproffit Mar 2016 #5
Lol vdogg Mar 2016 #8
Well, they are in New Zealand. Maybe it's still February there? grossproffit Mar 2016 #10
Clinton has a larger Delegate lead than Obama did in 2008 metroins Mar 2016 #2
Nope. At this point Clinton had the delegate lead in 2008. jeff47 Mar 2016 #11
What do you mean nope? metroins Mar 2016 #12
Your claim appeared to be about Obama's lead at this jeff47 Mar 2016 #29
No. My fact is" metroins Mar 2016 #35
Try reading the post more carefully next time. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #38
Votes tell a different story. grossproffit Mar 2016 #3
Trouble noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #6
If he was surprised, he mustn't be very politically active or aware. I doubt he even votes. Metric System Mar 2016 #9
Energy Booster button? metroins Mar 2016 #14
The Clintons never planned on having to seriously primary Hydra Mar 2016 #13
Catchup? metroins Mar 2016 #15
but not in enthusiasm generated demwing Mar 2016 #16
Isn't enthusiasm determined by the will of the public? metroins Mar 2016 #19
"the public" marions ghost Mar 2016 #30
Seems pretty cut and dry to me nt metroins Mar 2016 #34
That's the appearance marions ghost Mar 2016 #36
Sure, for right now Hydra Mar 2016 #17
Are you sure? metroins Mar 2016 #20
That's ok, keep watching Hydra Mar 2016 #21
I think she does need a boost of excitement metroins Mar 2016 #22
Thanks..I thought I was alone in thinking that... KoKo Mar 2016 #23
It sent absolutely the wrong message Hydra Mar 2016 #24
...! I hear ya! KoKo Mar 2016 #27
enthusiasm where it counts bigtree Mar 2016 #25
Clinton Fatigue. They're fatigued, and so are millions of us. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #26
"Clinton Fatigue"... marions ghost Mar 2016 #31
She is the least exciting Democratic candidate in my lifetime. tabasco Mar 2016 #28

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
7. This response is very telling. Sounds like you put me on ignore simply because I support Hillary.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

I don't care if you can't see this because others can, and it says more about you than me since we've never even interacted before.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
33. Her chances here would be much enhanced by Julian Castro for VP.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

Not ro mention Republican women and sane Republicans scared to death of a Trump presidency.

We are a minority-majority state, and the wind is shifting here.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
2. Clinton has a larger Delegate lead than Obama did in 2008
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

She must be doing something right...the American public is speaking and they are voting for Hillary.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. Nope. At this point Clinton had the delegate lead in 2008.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

Using 'distance from Super Tuesday' as the benchmark, since many states have moved their primary.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
12. What do you mean nope?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton right now has a larger delegate lead than Obama EVER did in 2008.

You literally just reaffirmed my stance by quoting she was leading then...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. Your claim appeared to be about Obama's lead at this
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

point in the 2008 primary. At this point in the 2008 primary, Clinton had the lead. And then the lead switched

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
6. Trouble
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016
Trump seems to have more or less done his job in exciting support for his campaign through to November. His task now is to keep up his outsized media presence and sustain the hype among his supporters while smoothing off some of his sharpest edges (the temporary ban on Muslims, for example, is already being de-emphasised).

Clinton's is to somehow find the energy booster button. She is already borrowing from both the Obama and Sanders playbooks for this. But whatever she tries, she will still be Hillary Clinton, former First Lady, former Senator, former Secretary of State. How can even liberals get excited about someone so familiar?

When my host in the New York borough of Brooklyn asked me who I thought would win the Democratic nomination, I told him it would be Clinton. He, an artist, seemed surprised and disappointed. If Clinton - the former New York senator whose last name adorns streets and underground stations in this city - can't get guys like him to care about her candidacy, she might be in trouble.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
14. Energy Booster button?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

More votes and More delegates for Clinton than Sanders.

I agree turnout is an issue, but Clinton has much higher turnout than Sanders.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
13. The Clintons never planned on having to seriously primary
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

It was all supposed to be over in Iowa, and Bill was never supposed to have to come out to stump.

You can see it all over in the campaign- they're constantly trying to play catchup, and can't seem to grasp opportunities presented. Hillary is irritated and Bill is tired. Team Hill pounds every talking point they can find and nothing is sticking.

It's just bad timing- the status quo is stale and getting moldy. No amount of marketing is going to sell that anymore.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
19. Isn't enthusiasm determined by the will of the public?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

And that public is overwhelmingly supporting Clinton.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
30. "the public"
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

--ie. low turnouts for Dems in a primary race, with wide regional divergence.

Not exactly "the will of the public"---

Long way to go.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
17. Sure, for right now
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

That wasn't the case going in to NV, and SC finally got some momentum going.

That doesn't change the primary forces involved. Hillary flubbed her third chance with BLM. Bill's behavior in MA was not only illegal, it was stupid. Team Hill is working overtime to shut the primary down early because of problems brewing we don't even know about yet.

I'm impressed how many hail marys Presidential hopeful Clinton has gotten recently, but she's needed every one just to stay in the race. Her wealthy donors want assurances on the return on their investment, not signs of greater risk.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
21. That's ok, keep watching
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

We've needed buckets of popcorn for this race- I never believed anything like it would ever happen. Her Majesty seems not to be enjoying all the excitement.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
22. I think she does need a boost of excitement
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

personally.

I think she also doesn't have a "stump speech" like Bernie does. Where she can repeat the same talking points over and over.

There's always room for more excitement.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
23. Thanks..I thought I was alone in thinking that...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

he has seemed weak on the Campaign Trail..but, that Bull Horn Incident where he stopped traffic and voters to vote in Massachusetts might have been his best "Come Back" moment. But, he made a mess of it and has many voters angry who watched the video and others who couldn't get into the polling places because of his Voter Intimidation with this outrageous act to show his Power Over the People. Like, that he can't get over that he's no longer President and he still wants that power, glory and manipulation to be "His Own Province" because he's GOTTA GET BACK into that White House?


Hydra

(14,459 posts)
24. It sent absolutely the wrong message
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

Thinking about it, I think our party power players have started to believe their own bull. The third way is based on the (incorrect) assumption that the entire US is really Republican but want a better marketed version of it.

Team Hillary seems to be campaigning as if they are talking to Republicans. If Trump had done the polling incident thing his supporters would have lapped it up.

If this is their motivation for all of the bad behavior...you can stick a fork in our party.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
25. enthusiasm where it counts
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

...blow-out victory at the polls in Texas.

Reads like a Sanders Duer wrote this.

They should realize that Hillary's margin of victory is far wider than Obama's was at this point in 2008.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
28. She is the least exciting Democratic candidate in my lifetime.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

Just a typical two-faced politician. I predict she will not be elected if she is the nominee. I will hold my nose and vote for her.

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