Bernie is staying in the race until the convention to force Hillary to stay

[JRLeft]

Progressive throughout the primary season. If he dropped out today or tomorrow, Hillary would pivot center right. Believe me that will happen July 29th.

Her goal is to pick off republicans whom hate Trump, a lot not all of the progressive campaigning will be abandoned.

I know why Bernie is staying in but he's only delaying the inevitable and I'm not talking about Hillary becoming the nominee, but Hillary running like every Democrat since Reagan began his reign of terror on this nation.

Hopefully when she's elected, she'll do some of the things she campaigned on but I won't hold my breath.

I'm talking about actually fighting to end private prisons, and immigration reform.

That is all I'm asking for because she will support the TPP the day after she's elected. I do not believe she will fight for real Wall Street reform, any reform will have loopholes to circumvent the law.

If she gives me those 2 I will complain 2% less.

Hopefully she won't start a ground war like she implied last summer. Under her presidency this country will move to the far right on foreign policy.

She has an Israel can do no wrong mentality. She's not alone. Far too many of our elected officials kiss the ring of the Don on this issue. It would be nice if we were actually neutral on middle eastern affairs, but appears that may not happen for a long time.

Hopefully Hillary will push for a few things.

[peacebird]

1. Hopefully we have Bernie as our nominee. Hillary WILL lose in the general election

[JRLeft]

5. What are the odds of Bernie pulling a major upset?

[pangaia]

63. Not great ...

But, neither were the odds good for Red Sox Nation in the 9th inning of game 4 of the 2004 ALCS.

[JRLeft]

65. Those odds were better than his, because the Redsox controlled its own destiny.

[pangaia]

69. No, baseball does not work like that.

Well,, there is a truth to what you say.

The corporatists...the .001%ers, TPTB, the banks, the media, GS....the DNC....DWS...... :&gt

I'll give you that one..

[JRLeft]

82. Eventually this country will elect someone like Bernie, because it will be proven

corporatism is a failure. I fully expect another economic collapse because the system is broken. We will continue to live in a bubble economy until the voters stop voting for more of the same.

[Optimism]

66. Hopefully much better

than the corporate media would like us to believe!

I hope tonight or tomorrow someone point blank asks Clinton is she will REFUSE to sign the TPP as President if it reaches her desk.

[JRLeft]

74. She won't do it because she supports it.

[Shadowflash]

2. You are correct, but she is going to, anyway.

She tells the people she is talking to, at the time, what she thinks they want to hear to get their vote.

That won't change and, as long as she has to compete with a true progressive, she will say what she thinks she needs to say to compete. As soon as he's gone, and the primary is over, who knows what she will say.

[JRLeft]

3. That's why I listed 2 issues.

I'm realistic, I expect a full corporatist agenda.

[KPN]

72. Yup.

IF she wins the nomination, she will immediately tack to the right.

[KoKo]

78. Well said...and exactly why Bernie is determined to stay in through the Convention.

And, he will have the money and support to do it. That's gotta be causing the DWS DNC a panic. Plus, who knows what will come out down the road about the Clinton Foundation. The Clintons may be being assured that the e-mail thing will blow over, but that doesn't mean the Repubs don't know more about the workings of "CF" that will be revealed later on that would cause Democrats to lose the election if she is the stand alone candidate.

[djean111]

4. I am glad Bernie is staying - because that means I am staying in - but it is ludicrous and laughable

to believe Hillary is even considering a tiny smidgen of a move to the left.

[JRLeft]

8. I only asked for 2, that's a crumb.

[djean111]

10. The rich do not let the rest of us have even a crumb.

The things you ask for affect profits, either directly or indirectly. That is the one and only criteria for "getting things done".

[JRLeft]

12. I'm saying she'll get those issues passed but if she fights for them,

and I'm mean actually use political capital.

[djean111]

16. She gets big money from private prison corporations.

She is the person who sent children back into Central America, to teach a lesson, to prove a point, and - they died.
You honestly think she is going to fight for your "crumbs". Those crumbs represent profits and a mindset to her.
The only type of immigration that will be encouraged and facilitated will be increased H-1B visas.

[JRLeft]

19. No she stopped taking money from them last summer.

[djean111]

22. Sorry, but I think that was just a cynical publicity move.

Not like she needed that money, or does not plan to get it later.

IMO she will do nothing that would adversely affect profits. Bottom line.

[JRLeft]

24. You may be right, but she's not taking it now. There's a sliver of hope.

[pangaia]

67. No there is not.

She is so out of this world cynical it ain't funny.

And so damn obvious.
She and Bill know all too well how stupid the American electorate is.

[polly7]

25. LOL. nt.

[pangaia]

64. Yup. That's our Hillary, sure as shootin'.

Oh, that makes everything okay, then.

I can not believe you actually wrote that, true as it may be.

[JRLeft]

68. It's true she stopped taking money from the PP industry. She has her a lot reasons not

to support her actually an avalanche, but I won't lie about her.

Do I believe she will do much? No I don't.

[FarPoint]

14. Real change can only happen with a Democratic Congress...

Otherwise, the GOP Obstructionist will continue.

[djean111]

18. I would bet quite a lot that Hillary and a GOP Congress would happily find common ground

on dismantling social programs and war. Just for a start. And we would be expected to swoon because she "got something done".

[FarPoint]

23. I totally disagree...

Hillary would build Social Programs and/ or return services previously dismantled.

[djean111]

36. Well, I am hoping we won't have to find out.

I think she will start means-testing, and just redistribute the social security payouts, and not raise the cap. And the partially privatize it. I think she will use the "hands are tied" excuse on restoring dismantled services.
There is nothing about her that indicates she won't just implement the Third Way agenda.

[FarPoint]

39. She will be very much like President Obama...

I actually believe her hard line will be directed at the GOP Obstructionist group. She will handle them with a stern hand.

[djean111]

45. That would accomplish nothing but a bunch of sound bites and clips of Hillary looking and

sounding stern. And then they would all go out to dinner. She would not actually "handle" them. It would be a kabuki play, is all.
Her only "hard line" is against progressives and liberals.

[FarPoint]

49. We do need a Democratic Congress...

Hillary has an unspoken agenda to end the GOP Obstructionist. First and foremost goal.

[djean111]

54. She just wants to get her Third Way and fracking and TPP and war objectives accomplished.

I am betting the GOP will be happy to accommodate her on those, and then Democrats will be expected to see that as really great "getting stuff done".

I don't believe in any "unspoken agendas", either. She may have one, but I bet a liberal or progressive would be appalled. And a Democratic Congress stuffed with DINOs is not a Democratic Congress. I see how the DINOs from Florida vote - they vote with the GOP. No more votes or support from me, for them. That's all.

[JRLeft]

56. How to get passed a democratic congress that owes the very interests we despise?

[FarPoint]

58. This is where Progressives need to build...

It can be done! Look at how the Tea Party infiltrated the GOP...

[JRLeft]

60. When has the democratic party ever listened to progressives,

since Reagan? I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's unlikely.

[KPN]

75. Lol!

Really? And you trumpet about HRC?! Strikes me as somewhat delusional frankly.

[FarPoint]

85. How make no point...

You make no sense....????

[Optimism]

61. Made up of the same Super Delegates

...who will continue to push their corporate agenda?! The kind that will authorize another war like Iraq? THAT kind of Congress?

[KPN]

73. Oh, she'll be stern about social issues -- no question ...

as long as they don't disrupt corporate interests (like privatized prisons). On economic issues like TPP, yeah she'll be very much like Obama -- and make the same arrogant excuse he did/does -- "That horse already left the barn."

[Broward]

50. Yep, Hillary and her ideological brethren from the other party will accomplish a lot together.

[JRLeft]

21. Not when it's bought and paid for.

[FarPoint]

28. Tomorrow is a new day....

If we can garner a Democratic Congress, we can rebuild lost public services...I am not one to be a defeatist....

[djean111]

42. It is not "defeatist" to refuse to cheer-lead for something I do not believe will happen.

That would be delusional. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz will be packing Congress with DINOs. The New Democrat Coalition, advised by the Third Way, is really looking forward to eschewing that old Democratic ideology, and working across the aisle to achieve Third Way aims. You know, that Third Way who snipped that Liz Warren is "getting out of hand" in the WSJ.

I prefer to look at things with clear eyes. I don't believe in easily changed rhetorical bullshit from Hillary. IMO she only has money at her core. 'bye.

[KPN]

77. +1

[JRLeft]

47. You must live in a different world than I, because a congress bought by corporations, usually

work for corporations. The democratic party have been as destructive as the GOP on a variety of issues not all but a lot, why because both parties are bundled by the same interests.

It's why congressional figures become lobbyists. It's been 4 decades since the democratic party have been for the people.

[Skwmom]

6. She will deliver for the 1% with the help of the Corporate Republicans and bemoan doing NOTHING for

the little guy (except for programs that deliver little to the people but HUGE $$$$$ to her backers).

[JRLeft]

11. There's a chance, she could deliver on private prison reform

and immigration reform. She stopped taking money from the pp industry in the summer.

[notadmblnd]

7. I was reading the other day, they want Sanders out so she can move right

She wants to appeal to Republicans by launching a campaign for those that want none of what their party is offering.

[JRLeft]

9. I'm not surprised, where did you read the article?

[notadmblnd]

13. it was posted here

I'm not good at searching for stuff on this site, but I did read it here. Last night, I believe.

[JRLeft]

20. It doesn't surprise me at all I implied in my op.

[notadmblnd]

27. I hope he does stay in all the way to the finish because I still think he can

can win it.

[JRLeft]

31. I hope he pulls out, what would be equivalent to a hail Mary TD.

[MgtPA]

17. I read it here yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511422132

[notadmblnd]

44. thanks for finding it.

nt

[MgtPA]

46. ..

[Vinca]

29. That's probably true.

Given the low voter turnout this election season, she'll have to run as half a Republican to win enough Republican votes to beat whichever RW nut she's up against. It shouldn't be a stretch for her. LOL.

[JRLeft]

35. She would run as herself.

[RDANGELO]

15. Listen to this.

Hillary is 70 years old. She is under investigation by the FBI for the e-mails and the Clinton Foundation. What this adds up to is that, if she gets the nomination, there is a good chance that she will not Finnish her term or will not be able to run for a second. If she does get the nomination, The stronger Bernie can run the more pressure it will put on her to unite the party by selecting a real progressive for VP. Who could take over or run in 2010.

[JRLeft]

26. Hillary isn't going to prison, come on now.

[RDANGELO]

33. I didn't say she was going to prisin. Richard Nixon never whent to prisin. n/t

[JRLeft]

40. I thought you implied it my bad. Hillary won't be indicted either as matter of fact

she won't be in trouble because she hasn't done anything different from Rice or Powell.

[metroins]

81. Why bring up her age? nt

[RDANGELO]

83. It's a fact.

[0rganism]

84. there are many facts. only some are relevant.

how is HRC's age relevant?

[cantbeserious]

30. IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General

Once nominated, HRC will renege on all the supposed genuine progressive statements and continue on carrying water for the Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.

[JRLeft]

32. I'm voting for Bernie.

[cantbeserious]

37. Roger That

eom

[tritsofme]

34. Once he is mathematically eliminated, Hillary will move on to the GE, and if Sanders chooses to be

obstinate and continue a doomed campaign, no one will much care, and the media will not cover him.

[JRLeft]

38. No, but if she pivots too soon she risks alienating Bernie supporters.

She has to keep the facade for a few more months.

[NurseJackie]

52. Reality called and wanted me to say "thank you".

[JRLeft]

59. Hillary is going to be the nominee I've said that for weeks.

[riderinthestorm]

80. The media isn't covering him now but that hasn't slowed his train

HRC needs his supporters. Pissing off his supporters definitely loses them with a very slim chance of attracting any Rethugs

[pinebox]

41. She's a rattle snake who can't be trusted

and the very minute if she should win the office, we will see her approve TPP and what? Fight for her $8.95 minimum wage that everyone can live happy on because she isn't going to get $10, that's her high number, she will have to negotiate. Awesome! Whoooohoooo! More people slaving away working 2 jobs who can't get by.

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. While she'll (obviously) flip back to center-right for the GE...

...that's still a valuable service, since it will both keep those issues in the limelight a bit longer AND expose her lack of firm principles when the lurch rightward happens.

[djean111]

48. You think her lack of firm principles bothers her?

I don't. Once in office, why would she give a rat's ass? She will not.

[Lizzie Poppet]

53. Bothers her? Nope.

To be bothered by a lack of character requires character.

Bothers the shit out of me, though...

[djean111]

57. Yup. All the crap about "approval ratings". Like they really care.

They got the votes, they got the money. That's all they care about.

[JRLeft]

51. It doesn't take a clairvoyant to know that's coming.

[FreakinDJ]

55. Rec for Truthfulness

[Sunlei]

62. We'll still have 'Senator' Sanders & a whole bunch of informed American voters, a HuGe :), positive.

[JRLeft]

71. We'll have Bernie, Elizabeth, and Donna Edwards.

[Red Knight]

70. I did hear her mention the "sensible center" the other night

Code word for "republican lite".

That's, of course, how she will really govern. She's already started that move toward the center for the general election.

I expect to hear more of that as she increases her delegate lead.

Bernie may hold her to the progressive language for a while yet--which I like--but she'll discard it when needed.

[KPN]

79. You are absolutely right ...

and its so friggin' nauseating!

[oldandhappy]

76. agree with you

sigh