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Intercept:Larry Fink & His BlackRock Team Poised to Take Over Hillary Clinton’s Treasury Department (Original Post) kgnu_fan Mar 2016 OP
We have to elect Bernie. Anything else is madness peacebird Mar 2016 #1
Why do so many Democrats not understand what is (and has been) going on??? I despair. bjo59 Mar 2016 #2
I find it difficult to call them "Democrats" anymore. senz Mar 2016 #9
Same here. kath Mar 2016 #10
and mess with Soc Sec amborin Mar 2016 #3
is intercept still fawning over Trump? bigtree Mar 2016 #4
DISHONEST! The Intercept rips trump to pieces! senz Mar 2016 #8
the article's dishonest on it's face bigtree Mar 2016 #12
Take over? As in a putsch? Hortensis Mar 2016 #5
Your sig should note that Hill's justices would be Wall Street friendly. senz Mar 2016 #11
like Ginsburg and Breyer? bigtree Mar 2016 #15
Before the Cllintons sold out 100% to Wall Street. senz Mar 2016 #16
weak bigtree Mar 2016 #17
Complete NONSENSE. (I can cap too. ) Hortensis Mar 2016 #18
Actually, Hortensis, senz Mar 2016 #19
Don't try deflection on me. Abandonment of an argument Hortensis Mar 2016 #20
Wow. I gave you solid gold senz Mar 2016 #23
Fink would privatize Social Security, mocks the idea of retiring at 65. senz Mar 2016 #6
Indeed.... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #7
LOL - more drama and baseless overwrought allegations? MaggieD Mar 2016 #13
#TheyreWithHer Mufaddal Mar 2016 #14
Wall St and Her Corporate Donors have made a HUGE investment...They're gonna want a HUGE return. AzDar Mar 2016 #21
So predictable. I don't understand why people can not see this obvious fact. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #22

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
2. Why do so many Democrats not understand what is (and has been) going on??? I despair.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

Sometimes I wonder if all those millions of Dems who won't vote for Bernie DO understand exactly Clinton's agenda and support it. What else is one to think at this point?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
8. DISHONEST! The Intercept rips trump to pieces!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

as your link shows.

You're trying to deflect with falsehoods because you don't want people to know THE TRUTH about your flawed and disastrous candidate.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. Your sig should note that Hill's justices would be Wall Street friendly.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

Corrupt as they come.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
15. like Ginsburg and Breyer?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

...both nominated by Pres. Clinton.

That's some phony stuff you're selling.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
17. weak
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

... that's why this phoney revolution is failing. Rank dishonesty.


Citizens United was a case about a PAC attack on Hillary...suggesting that she's against appointing justices to the Supreme Court opposed to the 'Citizens United' law is some novel horseshit.

Citizens United sued to air "Hillary: The Movie" right before the presidential election with the SC expanding their ruling to grant corporations, unions and politically active nonprofits the ability to raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to advocate for or against political candidates.

NYT:

Tad Devine, a senior adviser to Mr. Sanders, pointed to Mrs. Clinton’s support from a “super PAC” and her acceptance of donations from Wall Street executives.

“She cannot be trusted to appoint someone to the Supreme Court who will take the issue of campaign finance seriously,” he said.


Interestingly, the person most impacted by PAC money in this primary is Hillary Clinton. In addition to the money spent by Bernie supporters in the nursing union, there's unlimited cash directed against Hillary in this primary from conservative groups like American Crossroads.


Karl Rove's American Crossroads Super PAC Assist to Bernie Sanders in Nevada


What's significant is how little of the money Hillary's raised has been spent in this Dem primary against her Democratic opponents. Also significant is the way the Sanders campaign has benefited from the republican expenditures against Hillary which, in some cases, match Bernie's own attack narrative.

NYT:

Mr. Sander’s unlikely rise to super PAC pre-eminence is, in part, the story of an unusual alignment of strategies by different outside groups, including Republican ones eager to bloody Mrs. Clinton and lift Mr. Sanders, whom conservatives believe will be easier to defeat in a general election. While the nurses’ super PAC is the biggest left-leaning outside spender in the Democratic primary, conservative organizations have also spent at least $4.3 million attacking Mrs. Clinton in recent months.

One recent online ad from the Republican super PAC American Crossroads has assailed Mrs. Clinton for her Wall Street speaking fees — echoing an argument Mr. Sanders often makes against her...

In fact, more super PAC money has been spent so far in express support of Mr. Sanders than for either of his Democratic rivals, including Hillary Clinton, according to Federal Election Commission records.


more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-is-democrats-top-beneficiary-of-outside-spending-like-it-or-not.html?_r=3

The Sanders campaign needs to focus on promoting their candidate and directing their political attacks to the republican opposition.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Complete NONSENSE. (I can cap too. )
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:21 PM
Mar 2016

I feel sure you've spent cumulative weeks in complaining about all the money that accrues to people on the top tier of the speaker-fee gold mine. Well it does. Speaking fees for both of them, book royalties for both of them, investment returns have now brought in so much that they're permanently on the plus side of that institutionalized giant sucking sound, even if still downright poor by billionaire standards. No one owns either of them but themselves.

What Hillary brought to this race is herself and her demonstrated potential to rise to tremendous power. As insurance in case she does, what business bought is the right to have their calls returned and their pitches listened to. That's all, and they know it, which is why by far most of their money is invested in electing conservatives to state and national congresses -- remember, the Party of Business?

What many Hillary Haters have compartmentalized, into some dusty, never-to-be-opened back closets in their minds, is that our system being corrupt does not mean all Americans are. Many of Hillary's wealthy donors are investing in electing a competent liberal progressive who shares their progressive philosophy. Just like me, in fact. They are as corrupt or as high-minded as all the others doing the same thing with just $2 or $20 to Hillary and Bernie.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Actually, Hortensis,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:32 PM
Mar 2016

I do not object to wealth in candidates and office-holders, so you can toss that canard out the window with the other false assumptions y'all throw our way.

FDR and the Kennedys were incredibly wealthy, but their politics and their behavior upheld a commitment and loyalty to "the common man" and woman that is not the least bit visible in the Clintons when they're not running for office.

Nor do I consider "all Americans" corrupt; quite the contrary. I'm with the 99%.

However, since you seem reasonably intelligent, you must be aware that Reaganomics opened the door for the corporate/plutocratic takeover of our government. Right? You knew that?

And you must be aware that Bill Clinton -- with NAFTA, repeal of Glass-Steagall, GATT/WTO, and the 1996 Telecomm Act -- made a significant contribution to Reagan's corruption of our government. Surely you know this, how can you not?

Those, like you, who think that "Hillary's wealthy donors are investing in electing a competent liberal progressive who shares their progressive philosophy," have not been paying attention.

I think you have a nice little mental image of the Clintons based on what they try to project, not what they actually do, and this image is cozy and comfortable for you, so you want to believe it, and this is why you have disregarded all evidence to the contrary that has been posted steadily on this site since last spring.

Those who don't want to crawl out of their comfort zone simply shut their eyes and plug up their ears.

But you know something, Hortensis? The fate of this country and of millions of struggling Americans who deserve a fair chance, who should not have to work full time and still live in poverty -- and of the world (climate change, remember?) hangs in the balance. There really is something more important at stake than your comfort zone.

Now, to get back to the thread topic and the comment of mine that prompted your reply. Yes, the Clintons are owned by Wall Street. Here are a few short, easy-to-read articles to start your long road back to reality:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/hillary-clintons-goldman-sachs-problem

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/inside-clintons-cozy-relationship-big-banks

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-17/hillary-clinton-grooming-former-goldman-banker-become-americas-next-treasury-secreta

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Don't try deflection on me. Abandonment of an argument
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

because it is indefensible is only to be expected of someone who'd ridiculously claim Hillary Clinton would appoint conservative Supreme Court justices. Unbelievable! Who do you hope you're talking to? Illiterates? Five-year-olds? Twelve-year-olds wouldn't swallow this nonsense, so why bother casting for fools here at an adult political website?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. Wow. I gave you solid gold
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

and you threw back bubble gum.

Thanks. For a few minutes I thought there could be a small pocket of intelligence and good faith in the Hill campaign.

Adios, baby!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
6. Fink would privatize Social Security, mocks the idea of retiring at 65.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

A Hillary Clinton presidency would be a disaster for the American people.

Bernie is the only candidate running who holds traditional Democratic values.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
21. Wall St and Her Corporate Donors have made a HUGE investment...They're gonna want a HUGE return.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:55 PM
Mar 2016
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