Official Democratic Debate Thread **PART TWO** for ALL YOU NICE PEOPLE (on CNN)

[bettyellen]

thread one link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511428992

Let's all be kind to each other while watching together! Knives down, popcorn and beers out, people.
May the best party win!

From Flint Michigan.

"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders go head-to-head Sunday in a CNN Democratic debate certain to focus on racial barriers and economic fairness but that will above all be defined by the toxic water crisis afflicting its host city, Flint, Michigan.

The former secretary of state and the Vermont senator, who are locked in a monthslong duel for the Democratic nomination, will use the debate starting at 8 p.m. ET to court minority and working-class voters ahead of Michigan's primary on Tuesday."

8-10 PM- It is on CNN and CNN International, as well as:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/democratic-debate-highlights/index.html

https://www.tytnetwork.com/live/

[Purveyor]

1. Just now noticed, Bernie's got big hands!!!

[bettyellen]

4. Thats.... nice. I think!

[Barack_America]

2. Clinton is killing herself with her gun argument.

Michigan is a state of avid sportsmen and hunters.

Please proceed, Hillary.

[vdogg]

8. I don't know about that.

Audience seemed very receptive to her argument. She didn't say anything about going after hunter's guns, she's simply for stricter control which most Democrats are for.

[Barack_America]

17. I don't think the audience is full of Independents.

Michigan is. And guns and hunting are an integral part of our social fabric. Not for me personally, but for virtually all of my friends, family, neighbors. And what they just heard was a grab on guns.

[cherokeeprogressive]

104. Do you think the audience is composed of a group that reflects voter makeup?

If not, their response means fuck-all.

[amborin]

115. did Bernie mention her upcoing fundraiser with the NRA?

[RichGirl]

10. No gun law would prevent hunters from hunting...

Gun laws are meant for people not to kill each other.

Totally different and hunters know that.

[RiverLover]

13. Her argument doesn't make sense either. I can't stand guns. But I also don't like it when cars

are driven by crazy people. If a loved one of mine gets killed by a bad crazy driver, is it right for me to sue the car manufacturer?
Because they have more money than the crazy bad driver?

[Hoyt]

113. How about if that manufacturer marketed their guns as an aid to one's manhood, as a tactical weapon,

uses a right wing racist organization to push for lax gun laws, etc. That's exactly what goes on in the gun industry.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. I've gotten 3 Hillary mailers in the last 3 days (not counting Sunday)

all of them about gun control.

I guess she has no other issue to push here in Detroit.

[dana_b]

3. thanks for the threads! Great debate!

[bettyellen]

6. Thank you Dana-B, good to see you here!

[TCJ70]

5. This whole gun debate is awful...

...I know people will feel strongly about getting rid of all guns and everything like that, but the fact is, we can't with the way our constitution is. I just wish there was a way to have a conversation with people being honest about what laws like the one Bernie voted for actually do. It's not blanket immunity at all. His position is also the only sensible one unless you want people to sue car manufacturers and dealerships if someone drives a car through a crowd of people.

[Luminous Animal]

7. Sanders did it, too is not an answer.

[TCJ70]

9. Kinda sounds like...

..."I'll release them if the Republicans do", doesn't it? Real leadership on display.

[bettyellen]

11. What experiences have enabled to to understand and value experiences of other cultures to (SBS)?

[bettyellen]

12. SBS Cites his sit in for segregation, arrest and MLK march..... and his summary on website.

[elleng]

14. Received applause for efforts to desegregate

U Chicago housing (including arrest.)

[bettyellen]

15. Hillary also saw MLK (in Chicago) worked with migrant workers, churches, investigated segregation

in schools for the CDF.

[dana_b]

20. Is that what helped her to change from being

a Goldwater girl to a Dem?

[bettyellen]

23. I thought the Goldwater thing was from her parents- since she was a minor then?

[vdogg]

32. Wasn't she likes 16-17 back then.

Good lord, if I were to be held responsible now for some of the stuff I said and did when I was 16...

[Arazi]

41. She campaigned for Goldwater while in college eom

[bettyellen]

50. Do tell!

[unc70]

106. She had her conversion while at GOP 68 convention

[bettyellen]

107. HA- I wanted VDogg to tell about some stupid things he did a s a teenager!

[bettyellen]

18. What racial blindspots do you have?

Hillary knows she has never had a lot of the experiences many others have. Parents of color- having to have "the talk"
about how kid should behave around LEO.
Wil do best to understand, and tear down barriers in justice, education, workplace, and healthcare.

[bettyellen]

21. SBS relates story about POC not getting a cab.... Then a BLM member explained about LEO bullying....

he agrees w/ Hillary that we don't know how it feels. End institutional racism, reform criminal justice system.

[Motown_Johnny]

19. Will Hillary not answer this question?

She seems to have ducked it twice now.

[restorefreedom]

22. cute tweet from a bernie supporter

John Iadarola – ‏@jiadarola

Little known fact: when you hit 74, if you don't wag your fingers occasionally they lose blood flow and fall off. #DemDebate
5:47 PM - 6 Mar 2016
76 RETWEETS266 LIKES

[Motown_Johnny]

25. I'm 52 and my right thumb is like that.

Of course it was injured in a car accident decades ago, but still... it is true.

[restorefreedom]

28. so he has to do it

for medical reasons....

[Motown_Johnny]

30. Sure he does...

[restorefreedom]

34. lol nt

[bettyellen]

36. *puts band-aid on your thumb*

because this is the NICE THREAD, GODDAMIT!!!

[Motown_Johnny]

38. Thanks but it is an internal injury.

Nothing really helps but I appreciate the thought.

[bettyellen]

43. *massages it aggressively*

How's that?

[Lucinda]

45. Way off topic - but if it is painful

Hemp Seed Oil is amazing for pain...massaged in. I get mine from Amazon.
I have severe issues in both hips and knees, and it helps in ways my prescription stuff doesn't.
Also loving MSM for pain issues too.

/offtopic

[bettyellen]

47. Not off topic- because you're being NICE!! Well done, Lucinda. Thank you!

[Lucinda]

67. :)

Ive had severe pain for several years now...If I owned stock in Nutiva Hemp Seed Oil, I'd be a wealthy woman! I'm always singing it's praises.

[OxQQme]

108. Google Rick Simpson Oil, Lucinda

Actually, here it is ---> http://phoenixtears.ca/

snip< I wanted to share my experiences with you, concerning all the difficulties I encountered, after discovered that extracts from cannabis hemp plant can cure cancer, and also cure or control a wide variety of other serious medical problems as well. I also described the medical miracles, many patients have experienced, with the use of these extracts.>

Make your own --> http://phoenixtears.ca/faq-about-rso/

It's not about getting high.
It's about getting better.

[Lucinda]

112. Can't do it in my state. And my doc drug tests twice a year.

If my cancer ever returns I probably will do it anyway though. I am a big believer in the oil.
My problems are from surgical complications in one part, and then the degenerative cartilage damage on the other.

[Motown_Johnny]

48. Thanks

I may just try that.


It is only painful if I write for an extended period, or some other such thing. Mostly it is fine or just stiffens up a bit.

[Lucinda]

64. MSM would be good for the stiffness then

and they both work really well with pain, when it does occur.

[tblue37]

110. Here, swallow this bandaid:

?w=640

[Motown_Johnny]

111. At least you didn't have me insert it somewhere ...

I appreciate that you went with oral method.

[tblue37]

121. You're funnier than I am. I surrender. nt

[tblue37]

109. Now, now, bettyellen--BE NICE. Softly murmur, "Gosh darn it!" Don't yell, "GODDAMIT!!" nt

[bettyellen]

24. Hillary talks about the need to support the kids welfare and health in Flint and poor communities.

[Land of Enchantment]

26. Answers are becoming speeches by one of the candidates...

why doesn't the moderator take control and enforce the time limitations?

[bettyellen]

29. They are both going off on scripted tangents, LOL. This 90's thing is.... I dunno. LOL.

[bettyellen]

27. Hillary" If you want to talk about the 90's- let's talk about 23 million more jobs !!"

[Luminous Animal]

46. Most of those jobs were low paying service and temp jobs that replaced stable industry jobs.

And yes, income increased for many citizens but that increase was largely due to short term low pay jobs for those who were previously on assistance.

It is like this, a woman receiving assistance is churned off and is required to find a job. She get hired as a temp for ToyRUs (and gets a tax break from the govt. for doing so) and is "laid off" just at the point where she is vested to be hired permanently and receive benefits.

Another woman takes her place. Rinse and repeat.

This happened massively across the U.S. It was a shell game to prop up "welfare reform". When the actual living lives of actual human beings were no longer held political advantage, the tax breaks disappeared and these poor women were no longer hired and, at some point, no longer eligible for assistance. Their children went starving and continue to starve to this day.

For all of us who worked with poor people, this was 100% predicted. That is why 3 people resigned over welfare reform and why Edelson had a political following out with the Clintons.

[dinkytron]

31. Why does Hillary hate the 90's?

[bettyellen]

33. Between this and Fuller House, I'm not sure what decade it is anymore. LOL.

[TCJ70]

35. For real...

...One of them needs to commit to working against omnibus bills and we could just put it behind us.

[bettyellen]

37. Yay- we agree!

Anything is possible here!

[Kittycat]

84. #thatstheotherhillary

[bettyellen]

39. Q About horrible school conditions (vermin, debris, no tools) how to repair this now?

Sander applauds her for standing up and fighting for this!

[bettyellen]

40. "society sold be judged by how we treat the least of us"

[bettyellen]

42. "need to change national priorities to include crumbling schools" "end tax breaks"

[bettyellen]

44. Hillary says to end the emergency managers in education, and create an educational "swat team"

[dchill]

49. I'll look into it. again.

[bettyellen]

52. Welcome!

[Matariki]

51. Hillary has a great answer about teachers

and addresses the union question pretty well.

[snacker]

53. Yes!

[bettyellen]

55. Hey Matariki! Good to see you! Am proud of both candidates. They have both had some

really good moments. It is a great year to be a Dem!

:cheers:

[Matariki]

74. It's great to see the issues discussed with seriousness

And the questions are good. Not a private-part reference all night.

[bettyellen]

75. They both sound like Einstein and Albert Schwiezer combined compared to the GOP. HA HA.

I think it's going to be an ugly autumn for the GOP. Idiot City.

[dana_b]

92. I do agree that she

knows her stuff about schools and also that Detroit is being robbed by this whole emergency management system.

[tblue37]

124. +1. nt

[noretreatnosurrender]

54. Uh Oh

Is she going to put a banker in charge of that infrastructure bank?

[Motown_Johnny]

56. Hillary wants to leverage money for our infrastructure?!?!?!?

WTF is that?


Does she think she is back speaking on Wall Street again?

[bettyellen]

57. Oh no fraking. Stop it Hillary. Ugh.

[Motown_Johnny]

58. She is pro fracking but trying to deny it.

Sad

[bettyellen]

63. pisses me off! Bernie KILLED that one. WOW.

[Gregorian]

59. Bravo! Bernie makes Hillaries convoluted yes/no into a yes.

[bettyellen]

60. Bernie wins the fraking part of the debate. Boom. Expounds on climate change, passionately!

Well done. Crowd loved it too.

[bettyellen]

62. Bernie emphatically states fracking can never be safe! Global warming is a CRISIS.

[Arazi]

73. Finally!!! Global warming makes it into a debate

Way overdue

[bettyellen]

76. That was amazing to hear them BOTH talk about it with intelligence and a sense of urgency!!

Giving Sanders major props for that roll he got on. Loved it!

[Gregorian]

61. Double bravo! He weaves fracking in with the establishment.

[bettyellen]

65. I think that was some of his best stuff. well done! and now- fossil fuel industry.

[lostnfound]

66. God our debates are better than the GOP..

Substantive and our candidates are both grown ups.

[bettyellen]

71. Yes!!! GROUP HUG PEOPLE !!! I LOVE OUR CANDIDATES !!!

[JudyM]

77. bring it in!

[bettyellen]

78. Yo Judy!!! ***stretches arms across the aisle***

[bettyellen]

68. Hillary is being a time hog, LOL. But I think they have been extending SBS's time too.

[bettyellen]

69. Ahh, she just put a bear hug on Bernie..... and they are both dissing the GOP now..!

[bettyellen]

70. Fossil fuel, drugs and what? He is on fire tonight.

[Luminous Animal]

72. When asked about her fracking fund raiser. Hillary, "I…. I… I…"

bit lie to follow. The big lie, she didn't know about that.

[bettyellen]

79. oops, I hurt my cat's tail. Hilary is taking light and accurate jabs at Trump.

[bettyellen]

80. I don't know what has gotten into SBS' tonight, but I think he has never seemed so comfortable....

and confident. Well done.

[dana_b]

98. I think it's practice n/t

[bettyellen]

100. He got better as it went on, too. He seemed like he was having a happy day- VT?!?!

[bettyellen]

81. I half expect Hillary to applaud Bernie. Or voce versa. It is going to happen.

[MSMITH33156]

86. Yes

Despite the tone around here, the candidates seem to like each other and generally agree on a lot of issues.

[bettyellen]

87. these last two spiritual questions bother me, but I think they are both doing well with it.

OMG, she prays a few times a day? WHAT?

[Arazi]

90. Agreed. There's a lot of mutual respect between them eom

[bettyellen]

105. True! Thank you for dropping in! ;-D

[bettyellen]

82. Asking if SBS is intentionally keeping his Jewish faith in the background.

He says nope, he understands the

[tblue37]

120. Understands the what ? nt

[bettyellen]

122. Im so sorry- I hurt my cat and had to jump up and deal with it- missed the answer. ;-(

Sorry!!

[tblue37]

123. Oh, poor kitteh. Is he/she OK? nt

[bettyellen]

126. Yes, it was just his skinny like tail! Ha ha. But you know- they HOWL.

[bettyellen]

83. UGH, a prayer question?!? Poor Hillary.

[Matariki]

85. Aargh, stupid religion questions should be personal.

[restorefreedom]

91. yes. good grief. both of them should be able to keep that private

there were audible groans on the young turks at the questions

[JudyM]

93. exactly.

[bettyellen]

95. So true.

[Barack_America]

88. I'm confused, does Hillary KNOW this questioner?

The prayer question.

[bettyellen]

94. apparently she is a minister or something? she gave me the CREEPS.

*skeevedout*

[MSMITH33156]

89. This question is inappropriate

Who cares about their religion? This isn't a Republican debate.

[bettyellen]

96. Hillary promises not to "get in the gutter" with the GOP or anyone. Go Hillary.

[LittleBlue]

97. Hey guys, Hillary sees inequality every day

From the balcony of her mansion.

[Motown_Johnny]

99. and out the window of her limo n/t

[JohnnyLib2]

101. THANKS, BettyEllen and all the participants.

[bettyellen]

102. Thank YOU, MrLib2!

[JudyM]

103. Big Ditto! Thanks for the big share.

[bettyellen]

114. THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING!!!!

[ecstatic]

116. Sanders: White people don't know what it's like to live in the ghetto or to be poor?

I'm a little behind (viewing from DVR).

In response to the question about what racial biases he may have, Sanders said: "When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in the ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor..."

Someone (maybe killer Mike?) should inform him that all black people don't live in ghettos. The poverty rate for black Americans is around 25%, which is unacceptably high, but it also means 75% are not poor (by legal definition).

Second, even though poor white communities aren't usually referred to as ghettos, they exist. The poverty rate for non-Hispanic whites is around 10%.

[bettyellen]

118. That is a bit of a gaffe, yep. He did similar at the black church leading with welfare and

incarceration. Wealth inequality was downplayed for that. It was a little weird.

[lovemydog]

117. Great thread and debate!

Sanders & Clinton debated vigorously and fairly. They identified the challenges ahead and spoke specifically about how to address them. I believe they would both be an excellent nominee and do a great job.

Thanks for hosting Notorious BE. Thanks to all the nice people who participated.

[bettyellen]

119. thanks! We missed you here- maybe for the next debate?

[lovemydog]

127. Thanks!

I love joining on these threads when I'm not watching with friends.

[tblue37]

125. Oops! Almost forgot to give you a rec! nt