2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWashington Post: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are winners while Bernie Sanders is a loser
Winners and losers from the 7th Democratic presidential debateDemocratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders clashed over the treatment of the auto industry and Wall Street banks, during the CNN Democratic debate in Flint, Mich. March 6. (CNN)
Winners
* Hillary Clinton: The former Secretary of State came ready to fight on Sunday night. She kept her hit on Sanders's opposition to the auto bailout well hidden in the run-up to the debate in order to get maximum impact when she dropped it on his head. Ditto her attack on him being the long Democrat to vote against the Export-Import bank. She is still not great when it comes to answering questions she doesn't want to answer. Her I'll-release-my-Wall-Street-speeches-when-everyone-else-does answer to a question on her high-paid speaking gigs was, still, not very good. And, she remains overly cautious as a candidate; when pressed whether people at the Environmental Protection Agency should lose their jobs over what happened in Flint, Clinton was unwilling to say they should -- a swing and a miss at a hanging curveball. Still, overall, this was a very solid showing by Clinton. On guns, on failing schools and on Flint, she was confident and effective.
* President Obama: It seemed as though no matter what Clinton was asked about in the debate, her answer wound back to a defense of the current occupant of the White House. Clinton even used Obama as a shield against Sanders as he bashed her on accepting money from Wall Street. Why? Because Clinton knows that among Democratic base voters -- particularly African Americans -- Obama remains hugely popular and, therefore, aligning yourself with him is a stone-cold winner.
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Losers
* Bernie Sanders: The Vermont Senator had effectively walked a fine line in the previous six debates when it came to attacking Clinton without coming across as either bullying or condescending. He tripped and fell while trying to execute that delicate dance on Sunday night. Sanders's "excuse me, I'm talking" rebuttal to Clinton hinted at the fact that he was losing his temper with her. His "can I finish please" retort ensured that his tone and his approach to someone trying to become the first female presidential nominee in either party would be THE story of the night.
Put aside the fact that Sanders misstepped on tone, he also did nothing to change the underlying dynamics of the race. If you think Wall Street is the problem for much of what ails the country, you were for Sanders before this debate and certainly for him after it too. But, as we know from the first 40 percent or so of states that have voted, there aren't enough of those people to make him the nominee. Sanders didn't knock Clinton off her game in any meaningful way, making the debate a loss for him. (Sidebar: His answer about white people not knowing what it is like to live in a ghetto or be poor would have been a massive gaffe if he was not as far behind in the delegate chase as he is.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/06/winners-and-losers-from-the-7th-democratic-presidential-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Why am I not surprised?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Washington Post was spot on here.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Thanks BigBearJohn
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)cause internet poll swarms can always be trusted. lol
kristopher
(29,798 posts)His own commenters are taking him to the woodshed.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Frankly, neither is very trustworthy.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)thanks
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Autumn
(44,754 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Wanna flesh that one out a little more?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Because the mainstream media sucks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)http://www.wmur.com/politics/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking/38375366
Sanders Tells Clinton: Excuse Me, Im Talking in Arguably Sexist Debate Exchange
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking.html
Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-flint-debate/81419952/
Sanders Snaps At Clinton Excuse Me, Im Talking
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-snaps-at-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking?utm_term=4ldqpia
Bernie Sanders feisty debate: Excuse me, Im talking!
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-feisty-debate-excuse-me-im-023738092.html
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)oasis
(49,151 posts)the debate with me. major points lost.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)There will be no shortage of people who think it was a perfectly acceptable response to Hillary's constant, graceless interruptions.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It's a thing.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...as those who are upset. It's staggeringly sexist to expect different treatment when you're gracelessly interrupting someone just because you happen to have a vagina.
This woman thinks Bernie let her off easy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Anyway, Bernie's supporters have long known msm is not with him. It's only the other side that denies it. Maybe so it make crap like this article seem like a big deal?
Overall, a yawn.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Weird.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)what a bunch of Bezos baloney.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Even lying through her teeth about Bernie and the auto bailout didn't save her.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... "white people not knowing what it is like to live in a ghetto or be poor" was particularly jaw-dropping.
On the one hand, he's the poor Jewish kid who grew up in a tiny apartment in Brooklyn in a poor Jewish neighbourhood - and on the other hand, he can't "know" what it's like to live in a ghetto or be poor, because only blacks have that experience.
Yeah, okay, what ev, Bernie.