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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:30 AM Mar 2016

Sanders mimics Koch Bros. opposing reauthorizing Ex-Im Bank

Jesse Lehrich ‏@JesseLehrich

Every Democrat in the Senate voted to reauthorize the Ex-Im Bank
Bernie channeled the Koch brothers:
#DemDebate



Jesse Lehrich ‏@JesseLehrich
Ex-Im was never controversial until Koch bros tried to kill it. Bernie was only D who joined their fight #DemDebate




Eric Bradner ‏@ericbradner
Never thought I'd say this, but on Ex-Im, @BernieSanders' rhetoric exactly matches Koch-funded conservative groups. http://cnn.it/1RNeAoO

Jesse Lehrich ‏@JesseLehrich
90% of Ex-Im transactions directly support small businesses.
#DemDebate


Jesse Lehrich ‏@JesseLehrich
@RepDebDingell & @RepTimRyan hit @BernieSanders for voting with Tea Party Rs to kill the Export-Import bank:


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Sanders mimics Koch Bros. opposing reauthorizing Ex-Im Bank (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2016 OP
DU rec...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #1
Interesting political bedfellows. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #2
What do the Kochs, Ted Cruz, and Bernie Sanders have in common? bigtree Mar 2016 #3
That's a questionable figure... Human101948 Mar 2016 #8
So we are sinking this low? Vattel Mar 2016 #4
I call Godwin!!!! But seriously.....this is a rather specific policy and vote. Shall msanthrope Mar 2016 #7
We should discuss whether his vote was a good one. Vattel Mar 2016 #9
While I disagree with Bernie on this one, rogerashton Mar 2016 #5
Typical Clinton spin - "90% of IMEX transactions directly support small business." kristopher Mar 2016 #6
How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party UglyGreed Mar 2016 #10
» bigtree Mar 2016 #11
Sanders agrees with Ted Cruz MaggieD Mar 2016 #12
OPs like these are so funny! It's like there isn't commonality on one or two issues between parties. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #13
full list of Democratic Senators bigtree Mar 2016 #15
And Obama thinks it's corporate welfare too. But, I guess that doesn't count either. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #16
I guess Jesse Lehrich Go Vols Mar 2016 #19
that's right bigtree Mar 2016 #21
Gotta love those Democrats with cosy inbred oil (Koch/BP) relationships, like Hillary's Podesta. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #14
K&R mcar Mar 2016 #17
Obama also agrees with the Koch Bros. and Senator Sanders... And THEY are RIGHT!! Hillary is WRONG. AzDar Mar 2016 #18
+1 Go Vols Mar 2016 #20
'Koch Bros. are right' bigtree Mar 2016 #22

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
3. What do the Kochs, Ted Cruz, and Bernie Sanders have in common?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:47 AM
Mar 2016
The Briefing ‏@TheBriefing2016
What do the Kochs, Ted Cruz, and Bernie Sanders have in common? #DemDebate


 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
8. That's a questionable figure...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:32 AM
Mar 2016

It's akin to the Keystone Pipeline PR that counts things like dog walkers and ballet teachers as jobs created by more building the pipeline.

Many proponents, like TransCanada CEO Russ Girling, say the project will create 42,000 jobs. Girling said these jobs would be "ongoing, enduring," and we rated that claim False.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/09/3-key-keystone-xl-questions-answered/
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
4. So we are sinking this low?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:01 AM
Mar 2016

Your argument is as dumb as saying that because Hitler and Sanders both support animal welfare laws for the sake of animal welfare, Sanders is a Nazi and we should eliminate animal welfare laws.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
7. I call Godwin!!!! But seriously.....this is a rather specific policy and vote. Shall
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:25 AM
Mar 2016

we not discuss his votes?

Shall we not discuss who benefits from the vote? Who has a vested interest?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
9. We should discuss whether his vote was a good one.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

But silly guilt-by-association arguments should be called out.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
5. While I disagree with Bernie on this one,
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:10 AM
Mar 2016

The ex-im bank is a subsidy to business. He is a socialist, not a liberal, and has consistently opposed subsidies to business. This happens to agree with a free-market position -- free-market advocates, some of whom are quite liberal on many other issues, also consistently oppose subsidies to business, but on different grounds.

It is the liberals (and on this score, include me) who are inconsistent on subsidies to business.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. Typical Clinton spin - "90% of IMEX transactions directly support small business."
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:11 AM
Mar 2016

Transactions vs funding

Intent to deceive is present since the statement they are trying to refute from Sanders was consistent with the chart. He over stated it by 5% in fact.



From the Congressional Research Service doc, page 11:
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43581.pdf

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
10. How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

For over 20 years I have reported on the mostly unnoted role played by the Democratic Leadership Council dismantling the Democratic Party, disconnecting it from its New Deal and Great Society past and turning it into Republican Lite. For example, in a 1992 book on Clinton, I wrote:

In 1988, the 1992 play was already being cast. Conservative Democrats were holding strategy meetings at the home of party fund-raiser Pamela Harriman. The meetings — eventually nearly a hundred of them — were aimed at ending years of populist insurrection within the party. They were regularly moderated by Clark Clifford and Robert Strauss, the Mr. Fixits of the Democratic mainstream. Democratic donors paid $1000 to take part in the sessions and by the time it was all over, Mrs. Harriman had raised about $12 million for her kind of Democrats.

The play was also being cast by a group that called itself the Democratic Leadership Council. Although lacking any official role in the Democratic Party (and often appearing more a Democratic Abandon Ship Council), the DLC claimed it was the voice of mainstream party thought. In fact, it was primarily a lobby for the views of southern and other conservative Democrats, yet so successful was its media manipulation that it managed with impunity to call its think tank the Progressive Policy Institute.

https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
13. OPs like these are so funny! It's like there isn't commonality on one or two issues between parties.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

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Man, what a lame OP.


The issue isn't whether there is one or two commonalities, but whether there are dozens upon dozens.


But, that goes to the other candidate. I mean, really. Cherry pick a few issues, and drop the Koch's name on it.


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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
15. full list of Democratic Senators
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016
Jesse Lehrich ‏@JesseLehrich 17h17 hours ago

Here's the full list of Democratic Senators who voted to kill the Export-Import Bank in 2015:

Bernie Sanders

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
16. And Obama thinks it's corporate welfare too. But, I guess that doesn't count either.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

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Must meet the narrative du jour.


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TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
14. Gotta love those Democrats with cosy inbred oil (Koch/BP) relationships, like Hillary's Podesta.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

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Check out the link...

Fracking, KXL, If election, would she do a Chris Christie and let ExxonMobile out of a Climate Change/Pollution settlement?



Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests


Here’s just a partial list of the fossil fuel–friendly bundlers who raised money for Clinton from April through June:


http://grist.org/climate-energy/hillary-clinton-rakes-in-money-from-fossil-fuel-interests/


Heather Podesta and Tony Podesta have raised $31,150 and $74,575, respectively. The power ex-couple are big-shot Democratic lobbyists. Tony’s brother John is Clinton’s campaign chair and former White House chief of staff to Bill Clinton. Even though John Podesta is considered a climate hawk, Tony and his ex-wife Heather represent fossil fuel companies. Heather’s recent past clients include Marathon Oil and Bill Koch’s Oxbow Carbon, a coal giant, and from 2004 to 2006 she lobbied for Koch Industries. Tony lobbied for BP in the wake of its disastrous Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion, and through last year he represented Golden Pass, a company co-owned by ExxonMobil and Qatar Petroleum that wants to export liquefied natural gas. To be fair, they also work on behalf of renewable fuel companies — Tony represents SolarReserve, a solar power company, and Heather lobbies for the ethanol industry. You might call the Podestas the very embodiment of the Obama/Clinton “all of the above” energy policy.



But the contrast between her and her opponents is clear, and it’s indicative of real policy differences. O’Malley has laid out a set of strong, detailed proposals to combat climate change. These include not just measures Obama has begun taking, like regulating carbon emissions under the Clean Air Act, but ones he hasn’t, like adopting zero-tolerance regulation for methane leaks from oil and gas wells and denying new offshore oil leasing permits. Clinton has not endorsed any stances beyond Obama’s except for charging more for coal leases.



“Hillary Clinton’s position is stuck in the past,” says Jamie Henn, a spokesperson for 350 Action. “We have the tools to transition away from fossil fuels. What about all the jobs lost because of climate impacts? We need a president who is willing to make tough decisions about how to transition our economy in the face of climate risk.”




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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
18. Obama also agrees with the Koch Bros. and Senator Sanders... And THEY are RIGHT!! Hillary is WRONG.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016




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