2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders mimics Koch Bros. opposing reauthorizing Ex-Im Bank
Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrichEvery Democrat in the Senate voted to reauthorize the Ex-Im Bank
Bernie channeled the Koch brothers: #DemDebate
Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
Ex-Im was never controversial until Koch bros tried to kill it. Bernie was only D who joined their fight #DemDebate
Eric Bradner @ericbradner
Never thought I'd say this, but on Ex-Im, @BernieSanders' rhetoric exactly matches Koch-funded conservative groups. http://cnn.it/1RNeAoO
Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
90% of Ex-Im transactions directly support small businesses.
#DemDebate
Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
@RepDebDingell & @RepTimRyan hit @BernieSanders for voting with Tea Party Rs to kill the Export-Import bank:
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts)What do the Kochs, Ted Cruz, and Bernie Sanders have in common? #DemDebate
Human101948
(3,457 posts)It's akin to the Keystone Pipeline PR that counts things like dog walkers and ballet teachers as jobs created by more building the pipeline.
Many proponents, like TransCanada CEO Russ Girling, say the project will create 42,000 jobs. Girling said these jobs would be "ongoing, enduring," and we rated that claim False.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/09/3-key-keystone-xl-questions-answered/
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Your argument is as dumb as saying that because Hitler and Sanders both support animal welfare laws for the sake of animal welfare, Sanders is a Nazi and we should eliminate animal welfare laws.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)we not discuss his votes?
Shall we not discuss who benefits from the vote? Who has a vested interest?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But silly guilt-by-association arguments should be called out.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)The ex-im bank is a subsidy to business. He is a socialist, not a liberal, and has consistently opposed subsidies to business. This happens to agree with a free-market position -- free-market advocates, some of whom are quite liberal on many other issues, also consistently oppose subsidies to business, but on different grounds.
It is the liberals (and on this score, include me) who are inconsistent on subsidies to business.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Transactions vs funding
Intent to deceive is present since the statement they are trying to refute from Sanders was consistent with the chart. He over stated it by 5% in fact.
From the Congressional Research Service doc, page 11:
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43581.pdf
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)For over 20 years I have reported on the mostly unnoted role played by the Democratic Leadership Council dismantling the Democratic Party, disconnecting it from its New Deal and Great Society past and turning it into Republican Lite. For example, in a 1992 book on Clinton, I wrote:
In 1988, the 1992 play was already being cast. Conservative Democrats were holding strategy meetings at the home of party fund-raiser Pamela Harriman. The meetings eventually nearly a hundred of them were aimed at ending years of populist insurrection within the party. They were regularly moderated by Clark Clifford and Robert Strauss, the Mr. Fixits of the Democratic mainstream. Democratic donors paid $1000 to take part in the sessions and by the time it was all over, Mrs. Harriman had raised about $12 million for her kind of Democrats.
The play was also being cast by a group that called itself the Democratic Leadership Council. Although lacking any official role in the Democratic Party (and often appearing more a Democratic Abandon Ship Council), the DLC claimed it was the voice of mainstream party thought. In fact, it was primarily a lobby for the views of southern and other conservative Democrats, yet so successful was its media manipulation that it managed with impunity to call its think tank the Progressive Policy Institute.
https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Disgusting.
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts).
Man, what a lame OP.
The issue isn't whether there is one or two commonalities, but whether there are dozens upon dozens.
But, that goes to the other candidate. I mean, really. Cherry pick a few issues, and drop the Koch's name on it.
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bigtree
(85,986 posts)Here's the full list of Democratic Senators who voted to kill the Export-Import Bank in 2015:
Bernie Sanders
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts).
Must meet the narrative du jour.
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Go Vols
(5,902 posts)doesn't know Bernie is an Indy Senator.What else is he clueless on?
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...he's just pretending to be a Democrat in this primary.
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts).
Check out the link...
Fracking, KXL, If election, would she do a Chris Christie and let ExxonMobile out of a Climate Change/Pollution settlement?
Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests
http://grist.org/climate-energy/hillary-clinton-rakes-in-money-from-fossil-fuel-interests/
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AzDar
(14,023 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts)...you should make that your campaign slogan.