2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Opens Up Huge Lead in Michigan (66-29)
EAST LANSING, Michigan --- In a poll conducted Sunday afternoon and evening before the start
of their CNN debate in Flint, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has opened up a huge lead
over Vermont U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders among Democratic Party Presidential Primary voters
in Michigan. Clinton leads Sanders 66%-29%, up from 55%-37% on Thursday night. Only 6% of
the voters remain undecided.
The IVR (Interactive Voice Response) automated survey of 475 likely March 2016 Michigan
Democratic Presidential Primary voters was conducted by Mitchell Research & Communications
Sunday afternoon and evening, March 6, 2016. The poll has a Margin of Error of + or 4.5% at
the 95% level of confidence.
Hillary Clinton (66%), fueled by strong support from women and African-Americans, has a
tremendous lead over Bernie Sanders (29%), Clinton is seems poised to win convincingly in
Michigan on Tuesday. She came into the state earlier than Sanders and she really made the
Flint water crisis her issue, adding to her already strong support among African-Americans, who
could make up a quarter of all voters, Steve Mitchell, CEO of Mitchell Research &
Communications said
Click on the link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Wow, I was stunned by how bad Bernie did.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)It's like we watched two different debates.
I thought that he was OK, but he did seem to be more spluttery, hand-waving and lecture finger-pointing than usual. Can you imagine this in an international context?
The Bernie supporters I know in real life are friends as well as family members. One of my grandsons has even been passionately phone-banking for him. The difference between real life and DU is that while we prefer different candidates, we can discuss why without my being called names such as "Third Way Dem" or "corporate sellout" or any of the B***S*** that passes for political discussion among too many of the more strident Bernie supporters on DU. Those strident ones - who miss NO opportunity whatsoever to trash Hillary or us, by association - are nothing like those Bernie supporters I know.
I do NOT believe that this strident minority of DUers represents the majority of Bernie's supporters and am comforted by that. The irony is that these strident ones will throw Bernie himself UTB the minute that he has to behave in some way that offends their own purist definition. Either that, or they will "suddenly" discover that those actions are forgivable because ... you know ... Bernie did them.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)As are many other Clinton supporters. Habitually rude and just mean to other people while presenting right wing views. So you two harping about the sinners you see all around you is stunningly lacking in self awareness.
Also, and of course, Bernie won Michigan. All this hubris and all the personal attacks did not help but rather hurt Hillary Clinton.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the 538 delegate tracker shows that Bernie needs to win Michigan.
They've got the needed delegate split at:
Clinton - 63
Sanders - 67
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
Sanders is going to go way, way below target, if the actual results are anything like this poll.
Sid
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)What I find interesting and what makes Bernie's LT outlook look poor, are the totals of pledged delegates on versus the target goals so far.
Even though Clinton has missed her target goals in OK, CO and the three most recent caucus states, Clinton's total delegate count far exceeds the target total. She has 677 pledged delegates, thus 119 over target. Sanders has 448 pledged delegates and is 81 under target.
Based on Bernie's target goals as shown in the chart, as well as the current polls for MI, MS, FL, IL, MO, NC and OH, he will likely fall further behind even if the races tighten up. Even if he meets those targets in every case, which looks highly unlikely, he will still be behind Hillary by the same margin as he is today.
Hillary's target goals seem to have factored in potential losses in AZ, ID, UT, AK, HI, WA, WI, WY, NY, CT, PA, RI, IN, KY, WV, OR, MT, NM, ND and SD as a worst case scenario already. In some of these states, however, Hillary is favored to win and thus should exceed her target goals - in some cases substantially. If so, Bernie will not make his goals in those states and is not likely to get additional delegates from Hillary's losses in states where he wins, where she is still likely to make her target goals despite the losses.
I did not include states where Hillay's target goals factor in a win for her. In at least some of those states, she is even likely to win by significant margins and exceed her target goals.
While I am not ready to say, "Stick a fork ...." just yet, I really don't see the situation improving for Bernie so as to lead to a GE nomination.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,286 posts)where Bernie knocked it out of the park on every issue.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)critical comments about Bernie's debate performance, too. Besides even if he had a good night it will hardly close a gap that big significantly.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...throughout the election, and always skewing strongly for Clinton.
The other 2 recent polls, which actually use modern polling methodology (I.e. Live calls to landlines) have her lead at 11%-17%.
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This is the pure stuff right here.
casperthegm
(643 posts)People are getting the message. They are seeing the stark contrast between candidates with it comes to judgement and character.