2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFound in released emails--Bernie to SOS Clinton
On KXL.....
THIS is why I support Bernie! Integrity like a boss!
But....there's nothing in those damn emails. Bwahahahahah!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)The interest being to destroy a little more the environment for the money it will make a few people.
Wonder what the response was. Wonder even if there was one.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)
and find out there is a YouTube video or a written record of something from 5, 10, or 20 years ago and your first reaction isn't to cringe about whether it might be something embarrassing?
renate
(13,776 posts)It's wonderful!
JudyM
(29,192 posts)If more people don't get off their duffs and vote in these primary states we will all be doing a lot of cringing in the GE.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)IT IS FANTASTIC!!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hillary was SOS. She was overseeing the policies of her President and boss. Keystone was NOT approved under Hillary's tenure as SOS. The real point of this letter is to point out the conflict of interest of the contractor performing the environmental analysis. You should not pretend that this proves anything except that member of Congress and the Senate had a problem with the conflict of interest. And since you produced no follow-up response we only have half of that picture.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)And here is what an excerpt from an article says about that very thing:
According to documents obtained by the Sierra Club via Freedom of Information Act requests, TransCanada actually recommended ERM to conduct the study, and claimed, falsely, that the two companies had not worked together before.
Friends of the Earth president Erich Pica did not mince words in his reaction to the State Department's new report, telling the National Journal, The State Department's environmental review of the Keystone XL pipeline is a farce. Since the beginning of the assessment, the oil industry has had a direct pipeline into the agency.
Link to the article:
http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/01/31/keystone-xl-final-environmental-impact-statement-released-still-flawed
Almost forgot..here is a link to the final study given out by keystone itself:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjllISLna_LAhVKnoMKHT3UAywQFggjMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkeystonepipeline-xl.state.gov%2Farchive%2Fdos_docs%2Ffeis%2F&usg=AFQjCNHnJ6J-sU3oCoOSf0HpzEjhSJ2ueQ&sig2=6N1BhX0C49hTwXCHzYYH8w
CdnExtraNational
(105 posts)Hillary is greasing the rails to try to make it happen.
Consider Honduras, Libya and the TPP for object lessons.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)or she wasn't leading her department while there on this. How could she NOT be aware of who was consulting on this very important issue? Activists were handcuffing themselves to the White House gates, pipelines, marching, writing letters. The interest in this was extremely high.
What I would have preferred, and what I think most would have expected from a SOS was that this study be based on the facts of the issue, not the financial rewards for a the industry.
This issue is when I finally came to terms with and realized that the Hillary Clinton that I had admired in the 90s really did not exist.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Bernie should bring this email up tonight.
ellennelle
(614 posts)heh.
do you have a link, please?
thx so much.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not. For. Sale.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Thanks for the thread, pinebox.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
of a bulldog at times. This kind of thing is something he should say briefly in debates.
He seems to think that "corporate greed" hurting the environment is enough to say. It isn't. This example of what HRC did behind the scenes really matters and is a good specific example of her corporate allegiance and hypocrisy on almost all progressive issues except choice.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:49 AM - Edit history (1)
abortion, even choice isn't a sure thing with her, I fear
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Wrote this before the FOX town hall.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)to compomise on choice:
Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511316086
She said long before tonight that she would consider constitutional restrictions on choice.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Living and learning. Thanks.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Uhh, guess not.
They would probably say he's attacking or mocking her.
senz
(11,945 posts)dchill
(38,442 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)to screw the environment for the sake of the GREEDY BASTARDS...CIBC and TD, 2 Canadian Banks, paid her hundreds of thousands of US dollars for several "speeches"...They also have financial connections with TransCanada, the company building Keystone XL pipeline...
Must be just an inconvenient coincident...
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Goes to reinforce what we've clung to all along. INTEGRITY
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)druidity33
(6,445 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Leahy, Sanders, and Wyden raised a very valid and important point. This letter should have had scores of co-signatories.
OK, I suppose it's possible that these three Senators wanted to get it out quickly and didn't take the time to solicit more sign-ons. My money is on cowardice on the part of other legislators, though.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Though it doesn't surprise me at all. He's been fighting for the environment all his life.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Optimism
(142 posts)This ultimately makes me respect Obama just a bit more for nixing it (though in large part that was likely primarily due to the bottoming out of oil prices).
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Thanks for the post!
Link to the PDF of the de-classified letter--> https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/Waterfall/193727.pdf
Link to the October 2011 NYT article --> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/science/earth/08pipeline.html
Link to Nation's article from March 2013: State Department Report Paves the Way for Keystone Approval / http://www.thenation.com/article/state-department-report-paves-way-keystone-approval/
...This is the key paragraph:
Based on information and analysis about the North American crude transport infrastructure (particularly the proven ability of rail to transport substantial quantities of crude oil profitably under current market conditions, and to add capacity relatively rapidly) and the global crude oil market, the draft Supplemental EIS concludes that approval or denial of the proposed Project is unlikely to have a substantial impact on the rate of development in the oil sands, or on the amount of heavy crude oil refined in the Gulf Coast area.
In other words, the State Department believes the Keystone pipeline wont have any real effect on how much tar sands oil is ultimately refined and brought to market, and thus, that it will have no substantial impact on climate change. Specifically, the report says blocking the pipeline would only lessen emissions by 0.07 to 5.3 million metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2030. For context, in 2010 the United States emitted 6,821.8 million metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2010.
March 2013 SOS 'Reassessment' (favorable) for the Keystone --> http://keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/draftseis/index.htm
Secy Clinton is NOT the one to lead on Climate. Her ties to the Fossil Fuel Industry run deep, she is beholden to them. Even if it's 'Business as Usual' our climate, our planet is cooked under this kind of leadership.