2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwhen you tell people you don't want their votes
They're probably going to believe you.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)a minority we must be ignorant or have a mental disorder bc of our voting preference?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Not smart is it?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)be leaving to do so. They are one in the same.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Votes not wanted.
Carry on.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)of minority and are voting for Clinton, we are cool, right?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)It tends to affect enthusiasm.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Some of them arguing that we're a small portion of the Democratic Party. We're insignificant.
Judging from Hillary Clinton's far-right foreign policies and actions; as well as her entrenched Wall Street/corporate dalliances, I'm not surprised. She's not interested in the base of the Democratic Party.
Good of her supporters to carry that "we don't need you" message for her.
At least we all know where we stand.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)For blue collar working class voters to leave the party.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)so they can triangulate us into supporting another corporatist DLC Dem when we have an excellent publicly funded candidate who polls better against the Republican candidates.
Once that work is done, they can assume office and set about the work of passing more traitorous trade deals, use our military all over the planet to advance corporate access to natural resources and to cheap disempowered labor pools, and reducing this country's already pathetic social safety net, privatizing the parts they don't eliminate.
The DLC wing of our party is more invested in success of wealthy capitalists than they are in the success of the Democratic Party. As a result, many former Democrats are already disaffected and have left the party, lumped into the what is now, incredibly, the largest voting bloc in the country, independents who have figured out that both major parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Oligarchs Inc.
Here is where we stand:
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)"One might fear a growing, reactionary backlash among the white working class, young and old, as they find themselves contending with an increasingly diverse society. This is possible but data from a 2013 CAP/PolicyLink/Latino Decisions poll suggest that the white working class is far less resistant to diversity than generally supposed."
http://thedemocraticstrategist-roundtables.com/?page_id=60
The working class is not hostile to many so-called "social issues" but they are going to respond to those who acknowledge their disenfranchisement. Can Democrats win with only the coalitions they are banking on? Perhaps but as article states we are paying the price in off year elections.
oasis
(49,370 posts)Sivart
(325 posts)Seriously, what has happened to the people at this place??
(Its rhetorical)
oasis
(49,370 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You'll get the SCOTUS you're afraid of with that.
oasis
(49,370 posts)ordeal will be plopped on the doorstep of lefty malcontents who want to take their ball and go home.
Btw, with a GOP win in 2016, you can kiss any hope of any future "revolution" goodbye.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)As will I. And yet you continue to cheer on the exodus of the working class while the Republican vote grows exponentially with every primary.
Who's the elitist privileged one again?
oasis
(49,370 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)who prefers the right wing candidate, who care so little about the issues they espouse that they threaten out of spite to ensure that a megalomaniac billionaire become President because the majority of Americans refused to vote as they are told.
Clearly we have very different ideas of what constitutes leftism.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I'm talking about the white working class blue collar voters who are VOTING like hell while our primary turnout is anemic. You think that's something to sneer at? They lost us the House, the Senate, most state legislatures and governorships while the Obama coalition didn't show up. And here comes Hillary to drive a racial wedge right into the heart of the party to ensure her nomination. What's the path to victory in November? You think fear of Republicans is going to win the day this time? It has been an abject failure and it is NOT what won for Obama.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I will vote for the most progressive candidate on my ballot if Bernie loses.
I will not waste my vote on the "lesser of two evils" out of fear of Trump.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)People to vote for Sanders, or else people will elect Donald Trump. I don't know what you saw, but I can understand how someone might respond to that in anger. I frankly don't see the point of those threads or the ones insisting people fall in line behind Clinton. I mean, do the people insisting we better vote as they tell us actually think that people are going to change their votes because a minority of voters are angry that their candidate trails by 1.5 million votes? Even if some of the people reading those demands did change their votes, it wouldn't begin to enable Sanders to catch up.
I believe people are going to support who they support, whether in the primary or the general election. It would not surprise me to see some Sanders supporters back Trump, but I believe most Democrats and independents prefer a competent, non-bigot as president. For those that don't, they obviously have a very different set of values. Nothing I can do about that. I won't be telling people I don't want their votes, but nor will I be pleading with anyone. All I can do is present issues to undecided voters and work on getting supporters to the polls, the same as in any election.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)People don't like Hillary Clinton for reasons much less simplistic than misogyny and racism.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And make your decisions based on what they say...
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They know what's going on.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)That's pretty unfair.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And super delegates...
Doesn't that violate the principle of one person one vote?
They already get to vote in their primaries or caucuses.