FactCheck.org CONFIRMS that Bernie infact DID vote FOR the auto bailout.

[jillan]

In fact, Sanders voiced support for a $15 billion package of aid to the auto industry after it passed the House Dec. 10, 2008, in the final days of the Bush administration. The measure was supported by President-elect Obama and an overwhelming majority of House Democrats, but died in the Senate when it failed to reach the floor for a vote.

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

From the Washington Post -
Sanders is actually on the record as supporting the auto bailout. He even voted for it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-debate-over-the-auto-bailout-explained/


For someone that was interrupting Bernie last nite and saying "Make sure you tell the whole story" & for someone who has problems with voters seeing her as honest... all I can do is shake my head. She knows exactly what happened, she was there!!

What Bernie voted against was TARP because as he explained last nite he was against the taxpayer bailout of Wall Street Banksters.
W attached the auto bailout to TARP.

[Renew Deal]

1. He also voted for No Child Left Behind

[jillan]

3. Did she say he didn't?

[highprincipleswork]

25. I lose track of what she says. It varies so much.

[Roland99]

120. Bazinga!

[ladjf]

101. All day yesterday and starting today, the Clinton campaign has

trumpeted the lie that Bernie didn't vote for the bailout. They know it's a lie but calculate that by the time Michiganders find out the truth,they will have already voted.

[scscholar]

11. Why would you expect him to vote against Ted Kennedy?

Well?

[merrily]

38. .

[senz]

106. LOL. Perfect!

Just perfect.

[merrily]

113. Kind, as always. Thank you.

And Bernie's a poopyhead, too!

[senz]

114. Every time I laugh at your jokes you call me

kind.

Call me AMUSED, dangit!

(And I do have a fondness for Zippy the pinhead.)

[merrily]

115. O.k. How are you today, Amused? (I'm sure you saw that one coming.) nt.

[senz]

116. No, I didn't. Perfect foil here.

Right now I'm about to take a nap. But nice to see ya, merrily.

[merrily]

117. You as well, always. Have a beautiful rest.

[merrily]

118. I blew it. "How are you today, Amused Dammit" would probably have been better.

[senz]

122. Sounds like you're perfecting your standup routine!

[merrily]

123. *Our* routine. I can't talk to myself!

Well, not in front of an audience, anyway.

[kstewart33]

91. ARE YOU KIDDING?

Geez, what a George W. Bush thing to do.

[Logical]

2. Yes, but the Hillary supporters believe 100% of what she says, no questions asked. nt

[Trajan]

4. They should be able to change their opinion based on correct information

If sincerity and honesty means anything

[panader0]

6. Sincerity and honesty are not traits of the Hill camp.

[Renew Deal]

7. The correct information is that he voted against releasing the money

What she said was true

[jillan]

9. Only when it was attached to the wall street bailout. But he did vote for the original bill.

What she said last nite was not the whole story.

Fact check and even WaPo agrees!!

[Renew Deal]

10. I agree too

Running as a legislator is tough.

[merrily]

40. Technically true, but a half truth and therefore deceptive.

Play all the Clintonesque games you want, it was deceptive and intentionally so.

[ladjf]

82. If this lie gets her a win tomorrow, it will be a major turning point

for the worse in American History. It will be "The lie of 2016 that sunk integrity in America".

We are in an extremely fragile situation. The last thing we need is for crooks to steal our Presidency.

[RoccoR5955]

51. They are not allowed to ask questions

they just heel to the pre-ordained queen, like the good serfs that they are.

[NHprogressive]

59. This is the biggest issue we're facing on 'our side'..

Based on what I'm seeing here, people are having a hell of a time getting them to really think claims like this through, despite evidence directly contradicting them

[EndElectoral]

5. If you throw enough crap at the fan some of it sticks. Really getting tired of the lies.

[Mufaddal]

8. You buried the lead!

From FactCheck:

It’s true as Clinton said that she voted to release the money, and Sanders voted to block it. And ultimately, the Obama administration disbursed nearly $80 billion to General Motors, Chrysler Corp. and others in the auto industry (all but $9.3 billion of which was eventually paid back).

But at the time of the vote, it was by no means clear that Obama would use more than one-fifth of the $350 billion for an auto bailout. And most of the money still went for the bank bailouts that Sanders opposed.

So Clinton’s claim that her Jan. 15, 2009, vote was “to save the auto industry” is — to be charitable — quite a stretch.

[kstewart33]

30. So he voted no when it counted. Okay, then.

No wonder he didn't say so in the debate. On the only vote that mattered, he voted nah.

[merrily]

42. What part of "by no means clear" and "attached to the Wall Street bail out" did you not get?

Please see also, Reply 40.

[kstewart33]

83. You know, I think I got that.

I also got the part where he voted no on the auto bailout. You know, the vote that counted.

Bernie can't have it both ways. I voted for it, but I voted against it. But the vote against it doesn't mean anything in principle because I had voted for it at another time.

It's kinda like I voted for Hillary in the primary. Then I voted for Bernie in the election. But I really voted for Hillary because I voted for her in the primary.

Please.

Bernie knows the problem with this. That's why he did not explain the 'by no means clear' part during the debate.

Bernie's vote is his vote. I think that Michigan voters will know the difference.

[merrily]

85. Actually, it doesn't seem you got either of those two concepts at all.

[kstewart33]

89. Oh, I think the Michigan voters will.

And their vote counts, doesn't it?

[fredamae]

103. Here-see for yourself-Public Record

US Senate Roll Call Votes.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/votes.htm

[SunSeeker]

50. Exactly! nt

[JDPriestly]

74. Bernie voted no on the Wall Street bailout, and I am happy about that.

[kstewart33]

90. I don't think the Michigan voters are.

I think tomorrow their reaction to Bernie's vote will be the one that counts, don't you think?

[CdnExtraNational]

99. Lies

There was nothing in the TARP bill about the auto bailout when Bernie Sanders voted against it

Presidemt Bush and President Elect Obama rerouted some of the bank bailout to the auto industry in January 2009.

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

[monicaangela]

102. THANK YOU!

[grasswire]

12. several MSM political pundits noted the pure SCHEMING of Clinton's attack.

It was blatant and underhanded politicking from her, and reveals yet again that she will stoop to anything to win.

Ugly stuff = ugly soul.

[jillan]

13. In the meantime she is running ads in MI with her accusation from the debate.

That's an ugly way to win.

[grasswire]

14. It will get worse, likely.

Low information voters will swallow.

Bernie's supporters would never allow him to utter that kind of half truth that disguises a shiv.

This is the kind of thing she did to Obama.

[jillan]

15. This could hurt. One thing for certain, Hillary & Co chose their artful smears very wisely.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't such a political junkie so I wouldn't have to know how truly deceptive she really is.

[grasswire]

16. what this means to me....

.....is that we the people have to be the counter weight, the antidote, the remedy to her ugly tricks. We have to produce a vote so overwhelming that nothing she does can stop it. We have to be loud, and bold, and not afraid to speak truth to power.

[jillan]

18. I agree - but she starting running this in MI today, they vote tomorrow.

She's relentless.

[840high]

22. Bernie needs to run counter ads.

[0rganism]

41. what counter ad could he possibly run?

no explanations allowed, explaining doesn't work in debates and it doesn't work much better in campaign ads. waste of $$$, could make things worse if voters think he's stretching the truth.

speaking of which, "Hillary lied" and any number of variants thereof: completely useless, everyone (including her supporters) knows she stretches the truth into amazing shapes, those who like her appreciate the twisting for the skill involved or at least believe that it's somehow necessary. nothing to be gained there, another waste of $$$, possible bridge burner.

the only counter ad i could see working is some kind of historical montage showing all the times Sen. Sanders supported the auto industry and workers therein (can stretch this of course, anything that benefits industrial workers or American workers generally fits the theme), set to some kind of catchy retro music.

one advantage Sanders has is lots of popular musicians do not object to using their music in his ads.

however, Sanders is in a hole on this topic, and he needs to be careful to avoid digging in further.

[merrily]

45. Smears of a few simply words take a paragraph of hard to follow technical info to rebut. Meanwhile,

Mr. And Ms. Six Pack doze off.

[Fast Walker 52]

64. yeah, it really sucks. And worse, it will backfire when people learn the truth.

[passiveporcupine]

73. It won't backfire

Because most people will never know the truth.

[Fast Walker 52]

97. sadly yes... or if they do find out, they will enter into denial or rationalizations

[billhicks76]

17. Clinton Fatigue Of Clinton Lies

She can't inspire people to register to vote...thus, hands over victory to Trump.

[dflprincess]

56. And when she loses

"the left" will be blamed for her defeat (even though it is liberals who are more consistent about showing up to vote).

It will never, never be her own fault.

[billhicks76]

70. Clinton Campaigners Shameful And Terrible

They dont care if we all lose and they are too blind and deaf to see thats what Clinton offers...a loss.

[Bubzer]

19. She a liar. We knew this.

[iandhr]

20. Why didn't he say so yesterday? He pivoted to his talking points.

He had many chances to correct the record but he didn't

[SunSeeker]

29. Because he did in fact vote No.

The OP is very misleading. It cuts out the conclusion Factcheck.org inescapably had to reach because it is a FACT:

It’s true as Clinton said that she voted to release the money, and Sanders voted to block it. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

[jillan]

32. That was on tarp! He voted for the auto bailout &

Against the wall street bailout. They were two separate bills. he explained that last night as well.

[SunSeeker]

36. The auto bailout money was part of the TARP bill that Bernie voted No on.

The links in the OP confirm that. It is an indisputable fact that Sanders voted No on the TARP bill containing the auto bailout money. That is why Sanders did not correct Hillary but deflected with the irrelevant assertion that he "supported" the auto bailout. "Supporting" is not the same as voting Yes. Fortunately, it passed even with Bernie voting No.


The OP is very misleading.

[jillan]

37. There were 2 bills. Do you understand that?

Bernie voted for the auto bailout bill. It didn't pass because of GOP lead senate. W attached it to tarp which was the wallstreet bailout. Bernie explained that last night and factcheck Plus Washington Post confirmed that with Bernie said last night was correct.

[SunSeeker]

47. Yes, I understand that.

Bernie voted yes on a bill that was not viable because no Republicans wanted to vote yes on an "auto bailout only" bill. It died. So the auto bailout money was slipped into the TARP bill. The TARP bill was Detroit's only chance to get that money, since some of the GOP did support the TARP bill. Yet Sanders voted No. He placed his purity above the needs of Detroit.

[noiretextatique]

96. You mean he principles, I agree

And, I hope the voters of Michigan respect that about him too.

[merrily]

48. No, Hillary's smear was very misleading and she knew it. See Replies 40 and 42.

[SunSeeker]

57. He indisputably voted No on the only viable bill to save Detroit.

See Replies 36 and 47. He put his precious purity above the needs of Detroit. He refuses to compromise, much like Republicans. Compromise is how things get done in a democracy. That is why he has so few accomplishments to show for his decades in Congress.

[merrily]

58. Not his precious purity. Taxpayer dollars. She was deceptive, period.

He doesn't refuse to compromise. He got laws and amendment that he wrote passed by working across the aisle. She got nothing passed that she wrote other than purely ceremonial bills. She couldn't even get her unconstitutional flag burning bills passed--and Republicans introduce one of those just about every session.

[SunSeeker]

92. If everyone would have voted No like Bernie, we would have been in a Great Depression.

A LOT more "taxpayer dollars" would have been spent and a lot more misery would have been inflicted on the American people. It was a stupid vote on his part.

Other than naming post offices and getting a noncontraversial veteran's bill passed that was co-sponsored by John McCain, he has done little else. Hillary got SCHIP passed, which covered over 6 million kids. She got $32 Bllion for New York to recover from 9/11. She fought for women's rights around the world. Your hate for her makes no sense.

[Agschmid]

98. Not prepared for it?

[silvershadow]

21. of course they did. Just the facts . nt

[Kalidurga]

23. Well I forgive him.

The bailout didn't go far enough IMO. It should have included some things like higher tariffs on imports, penalties for moving auto plants of building auto plants in places where wages are low to avoid paying workers what they need to live on, and a hard look at NAFTA and tweaking it so it doesn't hurt American workers.

[Yallow]

61. Just Look At What Delphi Did With The Money

Please don't hurt anyone.

I mean it.

Free cash $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the oligarchs.

Here, have a couple pennies for the workers.....

What really happened is maddening.

Hillary sure wouldn't go there.

Too many of her owners made out like the bandits they are.

[Kalidurga]

62. I don't know Delphi so I am going to go out on a limb and say

they either relocated to a place where labor is very cheap and/or they outsourced a lot of labor.

[dchill]

24. K&R

[chillfactor]

26. that is not what I heard on TV today n/t

[Bread and Circus]

27. Oh man....it's like the Republicans...when you shoot one lie down, they got another.

[kstewart33]

28. If he did, don't you think he would have said so in the debate? nt

[jillan]

31. He did. Go back and listen

[merrily]

49. See Reply 45.

[Logical]

33. Hillary does not really care. Facts don't matter. nt

[SunSeeker]

34. Voicing support is not the same as voting. Both of your links confirm he voted NO.

It’s true as Clinton said that she voted to release the money, and Sanders voted to block it. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

Clinton is technically correct that Sanders voted against releasing the money that went to the auto bailout, but Sanders can also correctly argue that he supported the auto bailout when it wasn't tied to the Wall Street one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-debate-over-the-auto-bailout-explained/

Words or voiced support is nice, but it's VOTES that pass legislation, and Sanders indisputably voted NO. Hillary did not lie about his No vote. Your OP is shamefully misleading.

[calguy]

35. Too bad Bernie didn't say that last might

That's when people were watching. Bernie lacks Hillary's debating skills. She was factually correct and Bernie blew it.

[Land of Enchantment]

43. It's a matter of perspective and

individual perceptions. A fine line to walk. Yes, she is very skilled until something she never anticipated comes up. Remember her wandering out to Bin Laden when she was asked a tough question? Scripted, good memory, yes. Bernie gets more points for being so direct. She evades, he answers honestly.

[Broward]

44. She said he was against the auto bailout. That was a lie.

Par for the course for her. She's as dishonest as they come.

[Logical]

55. LOL, ok. Nice try! nt

[whatchamacallit]

39. Facts have no place in this campaign

Haven't you noticed?

[Broward]

46. Yep, and she has an army of supporters that mimic her every lie.

[Jitter65]

52. The only vote that counted toward the auto bailout was TARP. Bernie voted against it. nt

[ladjf]

65. That particular piece of the TARP was a 10 or 11 million dollar loan

to the Auto Industry. Yes. Ten to eleven million dollars. That is chump change and had zero effect on the outcome. Please,anyone that saw the political show right after Rachel, help me out. I don't remember the name of the dishonest shill Michigan Senator that did everything in his power to make it appear that Hillary and Obama alone saved the auto industry and that Bernie by voting against the pocket change 11 million would have doomed the industry.

Anybody else see that show? Help out here.

[JGug1]

53. Bernie Voted For Bailout?

Odd that he didn't deny that he had opposed the vote. I did hear that exchange between the two of them though I missed the debate, having attended an Aaron Neville concert but I heard that part on Democracy Now. If he really did vote to support the bail out of the auto companies, I don't understand why he didn't deny opposing it.

[SunSeeker]

60. Because he did in fact vote No.

Read what is actually stated at the links in the OP, not the OP's misleading description of what is said.

BTW-- Aaron Neville is great! Saw him in New Orleans back in the 1970s.

[ladjf]

71. I can tell from the tone of your post that you are convinced that Bernie

voted against the 15 billion dollar bailout.

I heard tonight on Chris Hayes show that it was a small portion of a 350 million dollar loan.
The entire amount that would have gone to the auto industry,according to what hayes said was,"ten or eleven million dollars" . The visiting Michigan Senator disregarded what Chris said and continued with his spiel that Bernie have voted against the 15 billion (or 12) bailout. That was untrue.

I'm trying to find a tape of that show that was on earlier tonight so I can verify what I remember hearing.

If you are a strong Hillary supporter, I doubt that you would be enthused about researching this point. On the other hand, if you are a very honest person you might look into it.

Bernie said that he didn't vote against the bailout. I believed him.
Hillary said he did. You believe her.

What we need is some incontrovertible truth.

[SunSeeker]

93. I understand there were two bills. See post 36 & 47.

[elleng]

54. But don't confuse the voters with FACTS, jillan.

[ladjf]

63. A Michigan Senator was on the political talk show that follows Rachel.

He flat out lied and distorted the real situation about the auto money.

I'm sorry that I can't remember his name name.

They had been discussing the 15 billion dollar bail out package.

The host tried to correct the Senator by pointing out the total amount of the particular payment to the auto industry was 10 or 11 million dollars. 10 or 11 million, not 15 billion. But the senator talked right over him and profusely praised Hillary and Obama for saving the auto industry by approving 11 million dollar payment.

Please,someone the saw the show, fill in the details that I missed.

The Senator was an obvious out and out sell out to the Clinton Machine. I've seen lots of dirty sturr but this incident , right before the Michigan election, with Bernie moving with a tie, was the absolute worst example of dishonest behavior by a U.S. Senator I've ever seen. (Go ahead and hide my post. I'm expecting it.)

been nice being on DU for so many years.

[moondust]

66. Tonight? On Chris Hayes?

If that's who you mean it was Sen. Gary Peters of MI who is a HRC supporter. He just rolled right over any attempt to get at the truth.

[ladjf]

67. Yes. Did you hear Chris attempt to correct him by saying the

Againstpayment to the auto industry for the particular TARP as 10 or 11 million dollars.

Think about that.10 or 11 million dollars divided between two Auto giants. The Senator insisted that that payment saved the auto industry from going out of business.

Perhaps Chris was wrong. But, he looked very troubled while the Senator did a major hatchet job on the truth. Does anyone have a recording of that show?

I have found some clarification. Not exactly what I said above but here it is.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/clinton-sanders-bailout-brawl/

"We agree with the Sanders campaign that Clinton went too far in the debate when she claimed Sanders was “against the auto bailout.” In fact, as we pointed out, Sanders voted to advance a bill that would have provided $15 billion for the industry. He explained at the time that he supported the auto bailout bill because “it would be a terrible idea to add millions more to the unemployment rolls.”

Here is the chris hayes program

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/was-sanders-against-the-auto-bailout-639088707929

notice down around 6.45 minutes.

Notice that Chris said the amount for the auto industry 10 or 11 million. Sen. Peters said
"no it was more than that" "It was more than that".

How much was the auto part. It certainly was not up in the billions and certainly would not have been the amount sufficient to much difference either way.

Hillary flat out lied when she categorically stated that Bernie voted against the auto bailout.

She has a long history for this type of political tactics.

[moondust]

75. Here's a link.

The M$NBC website is dreadfully slowwwww, almost unusable, but for anyone who is really patient: http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/was-sanders-against-the-auto-bailout-639088707929

Incidentally, you may have seen the earlier segment with Soledad O'Brien on pushing the meme that "Bernie just doesn't know how to talk to African Americans." Um, do they not speak English or something?

[ladjf]

79. Thank you so much for the link.

I also found information from a research company that said the Bernie did vote for the bailout and that the Clinton overstepped by claiming that the didn't.

Trouble is , Michigan votes tomorrow. By the time the truth comes out, the election will be over.

This is awful.

We've got Hillary on one hand, Trump and Cruz on the other. It's a horror show. I've never been this
worried about out Country as I am now. Bernie was our only hope to start cleaning up out Gov.

[jillan]

84. It was a carefully crafted lie. She knows he voted for the auto bailout. She did too.

She knows why that bill didn't get passed. She was there.

She knows why he voted against TARP.
And she knows how hard it is when good things are added onto horrible bills and vice versa. AC even pointed that out when they were talking about the crime bill!

It's a mind game she plays. And she is a master at it.
And the stupid media goes a long with it.

[ladjf]

86. This lie could cost Bernie the Michigan election. I heard Mathews spewing tonight.

What a shame that would be. One of the most extraordinary politicians we've ever had, to be done in by a cheap, easily proven wrong, bald face lie. But, I'm afraid it will take a couple of days to get the truth out,if ever.

Bernie just might win this thing tomorrow.

[jillan]

87. Bernie had a great chance of winning. I don't know now. But I'll tell you what -

if he does win, I am cracking open a bottle of champagne.

Every day I say I don't think I could lose more respect than I have already lost for Hillary.
And every day she proves me wrong.

[ladjf]

88. We are on the same page. If Bernie wins tomorrow , he will win the Presidency.

If he loses tomorrow, he still might win, but it will be a tough ride.

[Jitter65]

68. So, then he did in fact vote against the only viable legislation that bailed out the auto industry.

Just say'in

[Historic NY]

69. Hillary was very clear which vote it was. in 2009 after Obama was elected,

Clinton: He was against the auto bailout. In January of 2009, President-elect Obama asked everybody in the Congress to vote for the bailout.

… I voted to save the auto industry. He voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. I think that is a pretty big difference.


After the Senate failed to act, President Bush decided to help automakers by tapping the Wall Street bailout package that Sanders had opposed and then Sen. Clinton had supported on Oct. 1, 2008. Specifically, Bush agreed to provide $13.4 billion to GM and Chrysler in Troubled Assets Relief Program funds, as explained in a January 2009 report by the Congressional Research Service.


Dec. 19, 2008: After Congress failed to agree on funds for the auto industry, President Bush announces that he will use the TARP funds to help bail out the auto industry. He said “allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action.” He authorizes using $13.4 billion of TARP funds for the auto industry immediately, and promises an additional $4 billion in February — pending congressional approval of “the final tranche of TARP funds,” a reference to the second half of Bush’s proposed $700 billion bailout plan.

Jan. 15, 2009: The Senate fails to pass a resolution that would have blocked the second installment of TARP funds. Sanders voted to block the release of the $350 billion, which as we said included $4 billion for the auto industry. On the Senate floor, Michigan Sen. Carl Levin urged his Senate colleagues to vote against the resolution and to provide the remaining $4 billion for the auto industry. “We must complete the job started in December and ensure that the additional funding necessary for the financial health of this critical U.S. industry is provided in a timely manner,” Levin said.

We asked the Sanders campaign about the senator’s claim that there was only “one vote in the United States Senate on whether or not to support the auto bailout.” Warren Gunnels, a policy director for the Sanders campaign, said the senator’s remarks were “based on your fact check.” But our fact-check mentioned two Senate votes that were designed to provide funding for the auto industry — not just the one that Sanders now cites as the only vote.


Gunnels also said Sanders “never believed that the [TARP] money would be used for the auto industry.” Gunnels can safely say that about the first TARP vote in October 2008, and he can also safely say that Sanders could not envision that ultimately Bush and Obama combined would use about $80 billion of TARP funds for the auto industry. But Gunnels cannot plausibly say that Sanders did not know that the second vote in January 2009 did not contain funding for the auto industry. As we said, Levin spoke on the Senate floor about the auto industry, saying “this additional $4 billion must come from the second $350 billion.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/clinton-sanders-bailout-brawl/

[Major Hogwash]

72. Hillary has lied at all the debates just before a primary was held.

Before Nevada's primary, before South Carolina's primary, and now before Michigan's primary.

It's not a coincidence, it's her campaign strategy.

[PatrynXX]

76. confusing TARP for the auto bailout is just as bad as saying

Iraq had something to do with 9/11 (puke)

[Octafish]

77. Thank you, jillan!

Hillary has been on the radio in Michigan calling Bernie a guy who voted against auto workers and Michigan. She did not mention Bernie wanted a bill where the Banksters who robbed trillions were held responsible.

[99th_Monkey]

78. KnR for truth. nt

[ladjf]

80. Despite this proof, Chris Mathews and other Clinton shills

continue to spread the tactical lie that Bernie voted against the bailout.

This lie, of course, is strategically flaunted on the eve of perhaps the most important vote yet, that is the vote in Michigan.

Without a doubt, the Clinton campaign has be the slimiest operation I"ve ever seen in American politics other than the Bush operation to get us to invade Iraq.

If she is elected , it will be America's loss.

[YOHABLO]

81. You know that's really low of her to use that .. I hope it comes back to haunt her.

I hope Bernie continues to push to release the transcripts to those speeches.

[SDJay]

94. Did DWS Send Her Goons

to kick the shit out of the staff at factcheck.org for their unruly behavior?

Since that's how democracy works in the DWS Democratic Party, right?

[southerncrone]

95. K & R

[DCBob]

100. You left out the key part..

However, Sanders’ claim that there was only “one vote” in the Senate “to support the auto bailout” ignores another Senate vote on Jan. 15, 2009. Sanders voted for a resolution on that day that would have blocked the release of an additional $350 billion for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (a.k.a., the Wall Street bailout). A small part of that $350 billion — $4 billion — was earmarked for the auto industry.

[Demsrule86]

104. Quite true

However, a month later, Obama asked for the Congress to free the money to keep GM alive in order for them to survive until inaugeration day...the GOP tacked the bill onto a larger bill that bailed out banks...Bernie voted against this bill...willing to allow thousands of auto workers to lose their jobs and our country the an entire industry...to vote against the banks which was popular at the time. Those who voted for the bill were attacked actually. Thus is was not a courageous stand. My hubs worked in autos; I followed it closely watched both votes the entire time...hubs was laid off most of the year...we barely survived...considered driving off a bridge so at least our kids would be provided for (life insurance). The auto loans added jobs and helped save the economy in my opinion:certainly it saved Ohio, and saved my family. Hillary held her nose and voted for saving autos because voting for bailouts was now toxic...Bernie did not. Americans were mostly against bailouts -included autos- Pres Obama and Secretary Clinton both risked political capital in order to save the autos. That is a fact. One I will never forget.

[Jitter65]

105. But he voted "NO" on the bill that actually bailed them out. eom

[senz]

107. ooo yeh...

[randome]

108. Apparently this is what Clinton should have said:

"Senator Sanders voted against the TARP bill that would have rescued the auto industry in addition to the banking industry. Now, I fully understand why he did this and I fully support his decision. After all, my distinguished opponent is nothing but ethics personified and if it wasn't for him setting a sterling example for the rest of us during his 150 years of service, I shudder to think where we would be today. I mean, look at him. Is this the face of a man who wanted to see pain and misery inflicted on a truly American industry? I think not. So my distinguished, ethical, magical pixie-elf of an opponent should not suffer the consequences of his ultimate vote. Rather the American people should be on their knees thanking him for his sense of proportion. Thank you for the opportunity to talk about Senator Sanders."
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[kcr]

119. I'm surprised that factcheck.org is so flat out wrong on this.

I thought they were usually pretty reliable? But you're right. He voted no on the bill that actually bailed them out. Hillary did not lie and Bernie supporters who are claiming this are simply wrong.

[madfloridian]

109. Kick

[Zorra]

110. ^

[marew]

111. Hillary was just doing what Hillary does!

Twist the truth, manipulate. etc. Hey, she has worked hard towards becoming one of the least trusted candidates around!

[olddots]

112. her owners are just warming up

these parasites wii fight to the death for their castles made of sand .

[Babel_17]

121. At the next debate, if she hasn't already apologized, it could be a moderator's question

If she's smart she'll defuse it between primaries. If not, Sanders has even greater license to challenge her truthfulness, and even honesty and integrity.