Planned Parenthood PAC may of endorsed the wrong feminist

[UglyGreed]

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. The PP endorsement was never about who was more pro-choice. nt

[UglyGreed]

3. Spot on

[PeaceNikki]

2. They picked the candidate who makes reproductive choice a priority, not an afterthought.

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

[Jefferson23]

5. When politically expedient, or do you feel her evolving is about something else?

2008 she was about abortions being rare, and only now is she willing
to fight against the Hyde amendment.

An after thought explains her quite well.

[PeaceNikki]

9. Yeah, I took great issue with "rare", review my journal of you doubt that.

Many here disagreed with me.

Yes, she has stated she'd fight against Hyde. And yeah, I think talk about any additional restrictions in any way is shit. But I think her comments are blown out of proportion and I have great respect and admiration for Cecile Richards and Ilyse Houge. I trust they've vetted her on reproductive choice which is, without question, my issue of passion.

[Jefferson23]

11. As long as she doesn't change back and that is where she loses me on trust, often acquiesing

to the right. Thank you for your response.

[PeaceNikki]

14. There's no doubt that politicians choose their words carefully to either pander

to their base or to not infuriate their most rabid foes. They're politicians, it's how they get elected. Her record on choice is strong and, to me, that carries more weight than a carefully worded response on FOX that was crafted to make her look like a baby murderer to their audience.

Notice she never said "ban" or even "restriction". She said "regulation". That's a politician and I don't fault her for being a good one.

[Jefferson23]

15. I understand that, but I am referring to her record going back to 2008. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

17. Me, too. Her *record* is strong. Her choice of words can sometimes be annoying.

[Jefferson23]

18. Comes down to trust and political will, that's where you and I differ about Clinton.

If she wins I hope she will succeed in doing the right thing for all women
at any stage of pregnancy.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. I always considered her "rare" remark to mean that

she favored preventing unwanted pregnancies, whenever possible, which would reduce the need for abortion services. I don't think she meant that choice should be limited or diminished. YMMV.

[leftynyc]

28. That's EXACTLY what she meant

and anyone implying otherwise is lying through their teeth.

[UglyGreed]

6. The PAC

possibly made a financially and political choice.......... the PAC not the organisation I just want to point that out since Hillary has not done so in the past....

[PeaceNikki]

10. Thanks. Many here are ignorant of that fact as well and wish to punish the clinics.

[UglyGreed]

21. Well Hillary herself

had a hand in it when she failed to mention that fact at the NV town hall.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. Thanks for the link. Very good analysis.

[BreakfastClub]

24. Exactly. Hillary is the clear choice. nt

[NCTraveler]

25. +1 nt

[Attorney in Texas]

42. They picked a candidate who hired the CEO's daughter (this is Clinton cronyism at its best)

[PeaceNikki]

43. It's great that strong and powerful women form strong alliances.

There's nothing you can dispute in their statement so you attempt to throw that shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

Good luck.

[Attorney in Texas]

48. The problem isn't the endorsement; it's the timing of the endorsement. When you are in a foxhole and

you are running low on ammunition and you are outnumbered by your enemies outside the foxhole, you don't spend a bullet shooting one of your allies inside your foxhole.

Planned Parenthood is dying in Texas. Alternative non-profits are springing up to offer women's health and reproductive services where Planned Parenthood used to meet that need. With Planned Parenthood on life support (in Texas, I don't know how it's doing in your state), you don't attack your allies and alienate a quarter of your financial supporters. In Texas, this mismanagement could tip the balance between survival and death for Planned Parenthood, which is horribly sad because Planned Parenthood provides desperately needed services.

[beam me up scottie]

4. #whatwouldtheydoifberniesaidthat

[UglyGreed]

7. I would not even

want to ponder such a thing

[liberal_at_heart]

26. Hillary can do no wrong. If Bernie said that they would rake him over the coals.

[itsrobert]

13. Plan Parenthood PAC under the Bernie Bus

n/t

[ibegurpard]

16. actually it appears to be going under the Hillary bus

n/t

[leftynyc]

29. Are you calling Cecile Richards

a moron who didn't do her homework on the issue?

[UglyGreed]

19. Looks like Bernie ended up under the bus...

Rating: Bernie Sanders was rated 100% by Planned Parenthood Action Fund (Positions (Lifetime))

[PeaceNikki]

20. He's a great ally. They went into great detail about that.

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

[UglyGreed]

22. I just get a bit

upset when some try to paint him as some sort of sexist that's all.

[PeaceNikki]

23. To do that is utterly ridiculous.

But it's equally ridiculous to act as though Clinton would ban or further restrict abortion.

They are both strong allies.

[Lizzie Poppet]

47. That's why my feminism isn't part of my primary decision.

Both candidates are superb choices for carrying on the fight in the face of Republican efforts to roll back the calendar. It's also why, on the very off chance my state actually ends up in play, I am willing to vote for Hillary in November, despite my adamant opposition to her in the primary (for economic justice/reform reasons) and huge questions about her character. Republican control of two out of three branches of government (and the chance to take over the third) would present a grave danger to all the progress we've made on abortion rights and more. Hillary may be too ready to take the center-right side on a lot of issues for me, but she'd never do anything but fight against anti-feminism with everything she has.

[leftynyc]

27. So now it's feminists

who are too stupid and uninformed to realize how Bernie is the bestest thing ever? Is there anyone the Bernie supporters wont stoop to insulting with bullshit like this?

[earthside]

30. 'Feminism' has nothing to do with it.

Sanders is undoubtedly a better feminist than Hillary Clinton.

He has been remarkably consistence on these kinds of issues during his Congressional tenure.

The PP Action Fund played a political game and let itself be turned into a hack political group because of elite connections and "good l'boy" influence peddling. (Ironic, isn't it?)

Hillary Clinton has for decades shown how she will flip-flop, say anything, trim her sails, do what it takes to advance her own political interests. Only the naive will believe that reproductive rights wouldn't be negotiated by her if she thought it was good for her advancement.

My giving to PPFund ceased when it decided a fraction of my money would go to promoting a candidate I heartily oppose. And I may not resume if this is the direction in which they are going to proceed.

[leftynyc]

32. Yawn

I consider your entire screed nothing but sour grapes bullshit. Hillary has been fighting the choice issue for decades and I'm proud to be a monthly contributor to planned parenthood. And yes, you're only calling that disagrees with you stupid and uninformed. Good luck with that.

[UglyGreed]

39. leftynyc

must be tired or in denial...one or the other

[earthside]

46. Typical anymore.

Some of the more exercised Hillarians like to be provocative and argumentative, but once challenged they become immediately dismissive and churlish.

Sad thing is I see this in the real, non-cyber world as well.

Clinton is going to have a very tough time if (heaven forbid) she gets the nomination ... the fall campaign will devolve into a huge screaming maelstrom between Clintonians and Trumpians and voter turnout will plummet. And that probably means the election of Donald.

[UglyGreed]

31. I wrote

the PAC who I believe may have a connection to the Hillary camp may of picked the wrong feminist your outrage is noted though

[leftynyc]

33. And who runs the PAC?

That would be Cecile Richards who you obviously think is a moron. But coming from someone who thinks emoticons are a substitute for real facts only makes me yawn louder.

[UglyGreed]

35. Go ahead put words

in my mouth and not take Hillary's own words to heart.............

[leftynyc]

37. I do love the ignore button

It makes it easier to converse with the adults.

[UglyGreed]

38. Oh

[Svafa]

45. This picture made me yawn.

[auntpurl]

34. Just as a side note...

it's "may have picked", not "may of picked". Not trying to insult you, just for information!

[UglyGreed]

36. Oops

[Attorney in Texas]

40. Planned Parenthood PAC is the 2016 ACORN. Injured by a false right-wing meme; killed by mismanagent

in the wake of the fraudulent right-wing slander.

Texas is in the process of finding ways to shift the woman's health services that Planned Parent provides to new organizations that do not use the words "Planned" or "Parenthood" in the title and are not affiliated with Planned Parenthood PAC. See http://www.utexas.edu/cola/txpep/_files/pdf/TxPEP-ResearchBrief-SurveyofReproductiveHealthClinics.pdf

This is a very sad development. For more background, see http://www.utexas.edu/cola/txpep/fact-sheets.php

Cecile Richards has been busy campaigning for Hillary while Planned Parenthood is dying in Texas.

[liberal_at_heart]

41. PP leadership is more interested in personal gain than women's health.

They don't really care if PP dies as long as they get something out of it. Why else would they purposefully alienate half of the Democrats who donate to them?

[Attorney in Texas]

44. Planned Parenthood lost the fight in Texas and now they are just picking plunder off the battlefield