Maddow - Total sellout, no hope

[kcjohn1]

Just saw her use super delegate in her calculation for the weekend haul. She framed it as what each candidate won this weekend (Bernie actually won weekend with 1 or 2 delegate, but with super delegate he was down 10). She basically said he lost the delegate count and than showed graphic that included super delegates.

As everyone knows this is PURE PROPAGANDA. No other way to explain. Had she made mention of the fact super delegates have not voted yet and thus can change their vote, I would have given her a break. But she didn't. She lied to her viewers. The irony is she spent last week talking about the brokered convention in 1968 and how the super delegate system came about, and its implications for GOP if Trump were to lose despite gaining the most delegates.

I expect this on establishment rags and shows but not on Maddow's show. There is no need to lie to the public. Bernie is down huge already with the 200 delegates. No need to distort the facts. I'll be fair to her and say its mandate coming from corporate overlords, but that doesn't it make it any better. I rarely watch MSNBC anymore, and I literally shut it off after that. Not sure what else she said, but this is the last time I'm watching her.

[PowerToThePeople]

1. She took the money.

[ladjf]

53. Well , if she did. There is a very bad name they call people who

do that. I've thought she was wonderful for years. I'm very disappointed. Another hero has bitten the dust.

[litlbilly]

74. you people are actually the tea party, who the hell are you kidding here?

[PatrynXX]

91. couldn't believe that alert was sent out. Tea Party is the extremist right or left

and Bernie is no Socialist Any Socialist will tell you this. the Tea Party wing would naturally be Right wing so ahem Conservadem hence the term. Conservatives in the Democratic party of Liberals. smh Thats just Hate mail they are sending now It's low , it's gross , it's anti American and total BS

[JackRiddler]

76. Other than what she gets through her professional post?

I doubt it.

She drank the kool-aid.

[INdemo]

113. I'm keeping track

Last edited Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

For the MSNBC Hillary MVP

Rachel Maddow IV
Chuck Todd III
or Tweety XIV

[Matariki]

2. I've been trying to research this with little luck

Did past elections also always include super-delegates during the primaries? I sure don't remember this as being the standard before.

[kcjohn1]

8. I don't remember

But I doubt it.

Here is NYT page from 2008.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NY.html

They only include pledged delegates. Makes sense because until the convention unpledged delegates can't vote.

[KoKo]

21. Try these Two Links:

Scroll Down to Total Delegates Needed and it Follows with Super Delegates vs. Delegates at this site

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-total-delegate-count-democrats-republicans-2330885

----------------

Also Click on Bloomberg ...where you have to hit the States in the Map to get the Declared and Undeclared Delegates:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

[Matariki]

32. I'm not looking for this years results

which would not be difficult to find.

I'm asking about the way the media has reported the results in past elections. Did they include super-delegates in the count as a matter of course, or is this new to this election?

It's proving very difficult to search for that info.

[Pharaoh]

81. Anything to confuse the voters

Its corporate voter suppression.

The Nazis were also good at it.

“Think of the press as a great keyboard
on which the government can play.”
― Joseph Goebbels

[Kittycat]

30. More

RCP 2008 separated delegate counts, even in finals.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

I distinctly remember other sites doing the same or not including them in earlier counts. I'll see if I can find some news stories and edit/add.

[Matariki]

33. Thanks!

[jfern]

58. Starting with 1984 they did

You think they could have taken the hint from what a disaster the 1984 nominee was, but nope.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. In 2008 they tried

but stopped once the NYT called them on it

And now the NYT has done it AGAIN

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/20/opinion/superdelegates-clarify-your-role.html

It was less obvious.

[jillan]

3. I can't wait to see her ratings. Or the ratings of msnbc for that matter. Last nite

after the debate they had on THREE Hillary supporters discussing the debate. Not one Bernie supporter.

CNN is actually better. They have been having Ben Jealous on a lot to speak for Bernie.
So when I watch corporate media, I've been turning to them.

[restorefreedom]

19. you know whats really bad jillian?

fox is turning out to be better than both cnn and m$nbc combined.

we have gone through the looking glass....

[jillan]

22. I still can't watch faux - but I did watch the debate & was pleasantly surprised. Even when

Bret Baier was asking Hillary about her emails he did it in a professional manner.

But O'Reilly, Hannity - I can't do it.

Shep Smith is okay. He's not full of hate & conspiracy theories like some of the others.

[restorefreedom]

25. love shep and baier is turning out to be good

agree about hannity and oreally...they are unwatchable

[kerry-is-my-prez]

106. Never thought I'd hear people here talking about Faux news & which shows they like best there.

Come back to the light!

[restorefreedom]

132. that is how bad msmbc and cnn have become

shep smith and bret baier, maybe even chris wallace, are MORE unbiased.

[Ned_Devine]

4. I miss Randy Rhodes

[PowerToThePeople]

6. Majority Report and Mike Malloy were my favs

of Air America.

[aidbo]

11. Uh, majority report is still going. Sam Seder by himself, but still great.

Find it at majority.fm

[Ned_Devine]

13. Yep. The Young Turks and Ring Of Fire are great too

[PowerToThePeople]

14. They are both still going.

I just recall fondly surfing DU while listening to Air America.

[choie]

47. Mike Malloy is still on

He's on 9-11p.m. at mikemalloy.com! He keeps me sane!!

Choie

[Mika]

102. Me too. Been listening to Mike from his earliest days.

[choie]

135. Me Too!

I've recently been listening to his shows from 2003 - those podcasts are great history and like a review of all of the Bush Crime Family's dastardly deeds. And Kathy Malloy's Laura "Pickes" Bush imitation!! As painful as it is to hear again what was going on, Mike is just hysterical!

Choie

[DiehardLiberal]

18. Me too. Did you know she has a Kickstarter fund to stream online beginning June?

Go to randirhodes.com for info.

[Ned_Devine]

23. Right on!

I'd heard something about that but didn't know the details. Thanks!

[jillan]

27. I miss Rachel. I miss the woman that would educate, would make me think.

It's heartbreaking to see what happened to her.

When Air America canceled her morning show, I literally cried. I loved waking up listening to her.
I was thrilled when msnbc hired her, but after a few years she changed. Instead of hard hitting news, she was repeating the same stories that I heard all day, but would take 20 minutes to tell one story.

I think Comcast destroyed msnbc.

[Red Knight]

108. Yeah--what happened?

I used to make sure to watch her show.

But it just got to be tedious, difficult to watch. After awhile I just didn't care anymore.

[Snotcicles]

29. Funny you should mention Randi Rhodes. She didn't like what Maddow did at AAR at all. nt

[Ned_Devine]

31. I know

[Kittycat]

36. Is t randy coming back on air somewhere?

[PWPippin]

60. Randi's coming back!

Wouldn't it be just desserts if she could help to be Hillary's undoing?

https://randirhodes.com

[Ned_Devine]

61. Indeed

Didn't Hillary do her part to have her fired back in 2008?

[PWPippin]

70. Randi got suspended and then fired from Air America for calling Hillary a whore.

Curious, that.

[bbgrunt]

89. ...ad that was not on air, but at a venue she did off-air.

[scottie55]

122. Sorry, Democrats Can't Use Language Like That

Just ask Grayson.

Republicans can spew names till they wet their pants, and the mouth breathers eat it up!!!

USA USA USA

[dana_b]

124. and Keith Olbermann

I know he wasn't on radio but I still miss him.

[PWPippin]

134. We miss Ed Schultz on MSNBC.

He spoke for all of us, but especially blue collar workers. And he spoke from his heart. I understand he had been a Republican and saw the light, thanks to his wife. He's a good caring man.

MSNBC threw away, bought out or subverted a lot of good people.

[NanceGreggs]

5. Poor Rachel.

She's been thrown under the bus - and then retrieved - and thrown under it yet again more times that I can count.

[kcjohn1]

12. This is the lady

That spends 12 minutes trying to provide all sorts of background.

How do you think she is informing her viewers by including super delegates? If she doesn't have time to explain, wouldn't it be easier just to use pledged delegates?

I'm anger is less to do with the difference in 10 +/- delegates. It's the propaganda. I'm pretty sure she knows better.

[NanceGreggs]

28. I don't watch Rachel ...

... because we don't get her channel here in Toronto.

So I can only go by what I see on DU - and what I've seen is that every time she says something pro-Bernie or anti-HRC, she's golden. And every time she says something pro-HRC (or anything that can be deemed as such), she's under that bus yet again.

Pointing out that HRC has pledged super-delegates is not propaganda - it's a fact. Just because it's a fact that you don't like doesn't make it any less factual.

[kcjohn1]

38. It is propaganda to mix the two

I have no issue if she says Clinton has won 10 pledged delegates and has support of 5 super delegates from state a for total of 15.

Combining the two is blatantly false because one is pledged (they have to vote for Clinton) while the other can change at anytime. it's like saying Clinton has won 100 delegates in states that that voted + she is expected to get 50% from the remaining states (based on polling) so I will say she has won 100+200 delegates for total of 300 delegates, but I will only tell the viewers she has won 300 delegates this weekend.

Just blatantly false. This is not an opinion. It's factual, and there is no need for deception. It aint like Bernie is only down 5-10 delegates. He is down 200 delegates. That is huge. My frustration is less about the coverage for Bernie, but how corporate media is blatantly pushing an agenda, that Maddow is carrying water for. I swear if she was on non corporate medium, there is no way she puts up that graphic.

[artislife]

40. She should go to Canada where she can go lick her wounds and have single payer. nt

[NanceGreggs]

43. I'm sure you had a point to make.

I have no idea what it was.

[artislife]

44. That isn't surprising, dear. nt

[NanceGreggs]

48. The fact that your "points" ...

... don't make any sense?

No, I agree - not surprising at all.

What does Rachel Maddow talking about super-delegates have to do with "going to Canada where she can go lick her wounds and have single payer"?

I'm sure there is a totally insightful connection there - why don't you explain it to everyone?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

82. Yep

[NurseJackie]

85. Cruel and unusual.

[Nyan]

7. That's how you keep your job on Comcast-MSNBC. nt

[onecaliberal]

9. I turned it when I saw the same thing, I can't even say what I think of her.

I hope these people get their just karma for selling out the most vulnerable.

[Samantha]

10. I have MSNBC on the Big Ignore

I watched this station for years, and there were many memorable events during that timeframe. MSNBC has had some truly great commentators, but nearly all of them are gone now. Most of the ones left are restrained from giving honest commentary and end up functioning as a propaganda machine.

MSNBC is truly one of the biggest losers of this election.

I really miss Lawrence O'Donnell.

Sam

[snowy owl]

128. Even Lawrence has sold out . . . he's a little softer about it

Tell me how often you've heard a positive word about Bernie on any MSNBC show? Granted, the worst are Tweety and Maddow. I guess she and Hillary are best friends now.

[Samantha]

129. I believe (but am not 100% sure) that Lawrence is a socialist

and he doesn't respect Bernie so much because he is just a Democratic Socialist and not the real thing! I don't know how he feels about Hillary....

Sam

[snowy owl]

130. You'd have to prove that to me.

I'd be interested in knowing...

[Samantha]

131. Check out this video of Lawrence discussing it

Sam

[snowy owl]

137. Just saw this and thanks but...

I think Lawrence, like a lot of MSNBC hosts and Hillary, are claiming the progressive label even though not. Even Lawrence. He was visibly angry when Thom Hartmann suggested progressives were unhappy with Obama. I watch him but have noticed he has phony streaks. Also, he was wrong about blue dogs. Glenn was absolutely on target. Obama supported blue dems already in congress over more progressive opponents even when the more progressive candidates were doing well in the race.

So today when I heard that Obama had endorsed John Barrow, the most reactionary Democrat in Congress, in a primary pitting him against Regina Thomas, a progressive state Senator, I wasn’t in the slightest bit surprised. No one who recalls Obama’s enthusiastic endorsement of Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont could possibly be surprised. Obama, like McCain and Clinton, is a professional politician. One of their basic tenets is the Incumbency Protection Racket. https://shadowproof.com/2008/06/19/obama-supports-blue-dog-barrow-over-progressive-in-georgia-primary-why/

I also recall a well-liked progressive atty general of one southern state running against an incumbent. The attorney general was doing well so Obama went down to campaign for the blue dog. I just can't remember the state. Give me a break. I didn't vote Obama in 2012. And I was such a fan in 2008. 2008 was an emotional election for me. I felt betrayed.

[moondust]

15. She had a good run.

Always tried so hard to play it straight and went out of her way to make corrections. Too bad.

[oldandhappy]

16. Hooray for the young turks!!

have tossed MSNBC.

[Coincidence]

62. Unfortunately, Cenk uses TYT to spread his own propoganda. [nt]

[oldandhappy]

103. Grief! Name one anchor that does not do that. I would be glad to learn.

[Broward]

17. She got hers, screw everyone else.

She's fast becoming a hack.

[RobertEarl]

20. Let us remember

That old saying that was said again just recently about how there is special place in hell for a woman who doesn't support Mrs. Clinton.

Rachel got the message, loud an clear.

[pacalo]

24. Buh-bye, MSNBC.

I'm with you, kcjohn1.

I remember when the Clintons were raked over the coals 24/7 during his term, but things sure changed after The Foundation was well established. What do they do with all that money?

[MFM008]

26. Thats funny

Rachel has always favored Sanders. Do you think she has done the MATH, being a Rhodes scholar and all and stuff and such. Math, math and math. It adds up against Sanders, you cant win with just caucus states.

[kcjohn1]

35. She has not favored Bernie

But that is my opinion, and I can understand how people can view it differently. The strange thing is she has probably spend 70-80% of her time covering the GOP, & Trump. Probably mandate from her bosses for ratings, but also could be that is safe territory for her because she doesn't have to call out either Sanders or Clinton as much.

My issue is not with her "math". It's the deception. BTW only 25% of the pledged delegates have being distributed. Anything said at this point is just an opinion, and not "MATH".

[Gwhittey]

41. Nothing wrong with losing

It is just that all obvious attempts made by media and DNC to stifle the Sanders run is just too much for some. And this is not just sour grapes. The changing the debate rules and have less of them to limit Sanders exposure. We went from 26 to 6 that DNC scheduled. The first debate for DNC in 08 was April 26, 2007. First one we had this cycle was October 13, 2015. Why is there no voter drives going on setup by the DNC? I mean 2008 the college campuses where swarming with them. Low voter turn out helps the know candidate more.

[Kuot420]

34. Well the superdelegates are a part of the party.

Why is there so much bellyaching about this? Don't people read the fine print before leaping into a party?

[justiceischeap]

39. Stop talking sense!

It's like some people don't understand how elections work and just want to ignore the fact that HRC is holding the super delegates in her favor right now. That doesn't mean it can't or won't change but it is a fact at this point in time.

What I appreciate about Maddow is she understands how politics work.

[kcjohn1]

42. This is not about the super delegates

We can debate that in another topic.

The issue is misleading the public about who won pledged delegates this weekend. Technically both Clinton/Sanders only picked up pledged delegates this week, not super delegates. Those superdelegates did not vote this weekend. They are not pledged. Their vote will only become relevant during the convention which is 5 months away.

[SusanCalvin]

46. The superdelegates do not matter at this point. Period.

Except for propaganda.

If they don't follow the popular vote in the end, all hell will break loose.

[Gwhittey]

56. Because it is not way things are ever done.

You never over report anything for a election. 2000 ring a bell. A lot of issues with the election aside Bush inc stealing it, was that news networks called FL way to early. It is just ethical Journalism. Maybe the deceptive super delegates would not effect the polls but there is the chance and that is why they are doing it. People love a big winner and yes Clinton is ahead but it is close race really. But adding the super delegates who in no way shape are even counted yet at all is dishonest and manipulative to sway people. Why else do you think they do it? Do think that they are so stupid that they don't know that the SD do not vote until the convention?

I worked closely with Ad Director at paper I was IT/web dude for News paper I worked at back in 2005. One day I asked why do Auto dealers keep having Ads every paper when cars is not a impulse buy. He explained to me that doing that is planting the name into their minds so next time the buy a ad they will go to that dealer and not even realize it. That crap works. That is why we saw over and over Hilary this Hilary this etc.
God how can so many people be complacent.

What will DNC do when MSNBC and others start doing this crap in GE for the GOP? Going to be hard to complain about deceptive media bias of MSNBC if they stood by during the primaries. It going to suck when Trump is getting 4 times more media coverage than the Dem candidate. And don't think MSNBC will not they love ratings, They had camera on Trump's empty podium the entire time Clinton was giving her LA speech. (See I can notice it when they do it to someone I don't want to win) HRC filter glasses need to come off on many people

[TM99]

59. And superdelegates were not given this much importance

in 2000, 2004, and 2008. Only pledged delegate counts were given.

That is why this is meaningful now because the way it is being used is propaganda. It is shaping a message and given agenda instead of reporting what actually happened this weekend which was that Sanders walked way winning 3 states and a few more delegates than Clinton.

[Kuot420]

67. Doesnt matter; this is how the party is structured

You don't get to join, then complain that you don't like the rules after it has started.

[TM99]

72. Duh!

Everyone knows this is how it is structured but thanks for explaining it to me.

We can and are complaining that the use of these SD's in the current election is non-standard.

Get it?

[Kuot420]

77. That you are ignorant of how it worked in the past

is not a concern of mine.

[TM99]

79. And a new poster full of arrogance

and snark is of no concern to me.

Enjoy your stay!

[ebayfool]

92. And again, we have a frivolous alert ...

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Someone's newness and the fact that this poster does not agree with the new member does not mean that the newcomer is a troll.

This is a call out and bullying that's intended to intimidate and discourage new members.

We're better than this, or we ought to be.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:12 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And sometimes a goblin is just a goblin. Poster is just returning new person's bullying snark. Looks like a shit-stirrer to me. Respond on the thread if you feel they need to be defended, instead of jumping on the alert button on the down-low.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid alert... Never did call them a troll, FFS. Get over yourself.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[TM99]

99. Thanks for sharing.

I am sure it was a member of my fan club put forth the alert.

[ebayfool]

104. No prob - I firmly believe that when a DUer is alerted on they should be notified to that.

It just seems backhanded to have this system with no way to know if they are being, perhaps, targeted or something. I wish we could change that, a right to know when they are 'charged' with an accusation even if the alerter is left anonymous. Seems only fair.

notice to jurors: Not meta, just an opinion.
And it's a shame to have to even have to be concerned enough to have to include that disclaimer - but in the current environment? Yeah.

[MrMickeysMom]

93. Results of your jury...

Looks like people are just a teensy bit hot under their baby collars, here...

On Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And a new poster full of arrogance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1440384

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Someone's newness and the fact that this poster does not agree with the new member does not mean that the newcomer is a troll.

This is a call out and bullying that's intended to intimidate and discourage new members.

We're better than this, or we ought to be.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:12 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And sometimes a goblin is just a goblin. Poster is just returning new person's bullying snark. Looks like a shit-stirrer to me. Respond on the thread if you feel they need to be defended, instead of jumping on the alert button on the down-low.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid alert... Never did call them a troll, FFS. Get over yourself.

[NRaleighLiberal]

86. wow, you are a real peach. how to win new friends....not.

[liberal_at_heart]

123. And that is exactly why people are leaving the party in droves. 40% of Americans

are Independents now.

[jillan]

125. Actually the rules changed after I joined the party. They really began in 1984 & at

that time they were only 14% of the party. And they could only be state party chairs and vice chairs.

Since I first registered to vote as a Democrat in 1976 so I could cast my first vote for Jimmy Carter the rules changed after I joined.

Not only that, they keep changing. Superdelegates are now more than 14% of the party and they are Senators, Congressmen, Mayors, Governors, and who knows what else.

So please check your facts before telling us about the rules.
To many of us we joined and then the rules were changed.

[rjsquirrel]

37. On the other hand

she single-handedly made Flint into a national story, and her show is virtually the only major cable news show to regularly cover reproductive rights issues.

I just wish she wouldn't repeat every point three or four times. It feels either like filler or like she's talking to halfwitted viewers sometimes.

I personally do not detect a pro-Clinton bias from Rachel herself, whereas I think MSNBC is in the bag for Trump otherwise.

MSNBC cannot be long for this world in any case and it's unclear to me where any of their talent would go.

[SusanCalvin]

45. NO ONE

Should be counting/reporting superdelegates at this point. Period.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. CBS Nightly news keeps including super delegates, too.

[questionseverything]

55. ap is doing the same

in years past they were never talked about so much

tptb want to make it look like she has already won...which drives down turn out....which helps hc


manufactured consent it is called

[andrewv1]

50. Main Stream News Boosting Clinton

Of course with the Comcast Thugs that own them now, watch after November how they morph into a full
blown Fox News Competitor....

[Snotcicles]

51. A Paragon of Virtue she is not. Now Cenk Uygur, he's a bird of a different feather. nt

[Skwmom]

52. Ms. Selective Outrage loves her money. n/t

[MaggieD]

54. Under the bus, Maddow

Because, um, reality is just too hard for Bernie supporters.

When history writes the story of this election, DU will not look good. LOL. IMO.

[PowerToThePeople]

57. When history writes the story of the Democratic party,

Third way will not look good.

[MaggieD]

65. Third way my ass

It will be about the extremist who accomplish NOTHING versus the actual Dems who make progress. You're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

[Hydra]

66. Lol, they don't look good now

And apparently haven't looked in a mirror lately. Smug fury mixed with existential terror is not a good look.

[SusanCalvin]

63. Reality is elected delegates.

Propaganda is superdelegates.

[jalan48]

64. She knows what side her biscuit is buttered on.

She's a got a good gig that pays a lot of money. She's not going to be like Cenk and just appear online. She's a star!

[postatomic]

69. "Dean Leads Superdelegate Count" (2004)

Heading into the Iowa caucuses on Monday, January 19, Howard Dean leads in the CBS News count of Democratic superdelegates -- the members of Congress and party officials who are automatic delegates to the national convention, and are not pledged to one candidate by virtue of a caucus or primary.

There are 801 superdelegates, about one-sixth of the 4,321 total delegates who will participate in this year's nominating convention in Boston in July.

CBS News and The New York Times conducted a telephone survey of superdelegates from Jan. 7 to Jan. 16.

Dean leads the pack with 137 superdelegate votes pledged to or leaning his way. Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri follows with 74 super D's, and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts has 64.
Retired Gen. Wesley Clark commands the support of 40 superdelegate votes, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina takes 28, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut rounds out the front-runners with 27.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dean-leads-superdelegate-count/

Of course, things didn't work out too well for Dean. Including the Superdelegate numbers is very relevant considering that the opponent of Hillary has been critical of the Democratic Party for years. Not exactly the formula for getting all warm and fuzzy with the superdelegates. He knew what the game was. He just chose not to play. His loss.

There are no instructions from Corporate Overlords, whatever the fuck they are. But, if this makes you feel better to blame a corporation...... go for it.

[TM99]

75. Yay, you found one example.

Now show us a pervasive pattern like there is today. We'll wait.

[postatomic]

97. I was responding more to the curiousty of previous primaries

2004 was nothing like today. Then there were 9 or 10 people running on the Democratic side.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

87. It's a bit later than January 19 FYI

Just saying.

[postatomic]

101. Yes. It is.

But look at how many superdelegates had made picks before even having one caucus/primary. Given the highly abrasive nature of this years primary I suspect they have been slow to back Hillary. Otherwise I think we would have seen an all out support of Hillary by now.

This is 2016. I can't explain what is going on.

[JohnnyRingo]

71. Did she suddenly change?

Or is she just not telling you what you want to hear?

I watched her show tonight and didn't see any bias. I wasn't hanging on every word when she talked about Sanders, but I was surprised to see a post about it. She doesn't work for his campaign.

[Peregrine Took]

73. No more Chris M or H and no more Rachel.

We do watch Lawrence - but have "watch" On him, too.

[Gene Debs]

78. Just because your corporate overlords tell you to mislead and propagandize doesn't

mean you have to do it. You can always quit. I would.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

80. Another thrown under the Bernie bus

[7wo7rees]

83. Maddow stayed when Keith left. He was her mentor.

She said see ya, thanks, bye.

[emsimon33]

84. I have virtually stopped watching MSNBC as they have become little better than FOx

[zentrum]

88. Randi Rhodes

...used to say that Maddow wasn't what she seemed, but I never believed her...

I can't stand when our public progressives turn out to not really mean it.

This is why Bernie is so remarkable in these days.

[PatrynXX]

90. I actually sent her an email

showing my dismay and showing this link and I hadn't read it fully and I'd used the word Overlords ... Like minds think alike

Melissa had some backbone Maddow used to have it. Keith will always have it, even if he rubs up against Gore from time to time. She's lost her dignity if she doesn't follow this up with one of her famous corrections.

[Kip Humphrey]

94. Maddow has never been the same since the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage. Its almost as if

Rachel was liberal & progressive until gay marriage became legal then, with a well fought fight won (and definite congrats too!), she no longer had to be liberal & progressive nor quite as tolerant of liberal & progressive positions. Of course, it could just be that yuuuuge salary and accompanying conditions that swayed her.

[Capt.Rocky300]

100. Bingo!

[dchill]

95. Regretfully recced.

[fbc]

96. She's a good corporate soldier.

She knows who signs her paychecks.

[Arugula Latte]

105. Yep. She's a shameless Hill Shill.

[Gothmog]

107. Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole

Super delegates are part of the process and you can not pretend that these super delegates will play a role in the selection of the nominee. Super delegates get to vote. If Sanders wants to appeal to Super delegates, he needs to do things like show that he can help in down ballot races and that he cares about the party.

[redstateblues]

110. Ironically, Tad Devine created the super delegate system

[Nanjeanne]

121. How did Devine create Superdelegates?

The superdelegate system was instituted over the spring and summer of 1982 by the Commission on Presidential Nominations (CPN), a special committee of the DNC that was chaired by then North Carolina governor James B. Hunt.

Tad Devine was a law clerk in the RI Supreme Court until 1983.

I keep seeing this said on DU but other than linking to statements saying this, I've never seen how he is the "creator" of the Superdelegates system. Can anyone give me details?

[jillan]

126. Buzz! Wrong! Unless he was on the Hunt commission?

[relayerbob]

111. I call bullshit

Best read your history books some more

[SoapBox]

112. That super delagate crap was also on the CBS Nightly News.

They had a chart that made it look like a landslide for Camp Weathervane...totally DISHONEST.

They also "quoted" an unidentified expert that said that there were "negligible" job losses due to NAFTA. WTF!

[SoapBox]

114. If you do Twitter, give her an earful.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaddowBlog

Interesting that she infrequently posts on her show account.

I have lost ALL respect for her.

[beveeheart]

115. I don't watch Rachel anymore either

or anyone else on MSNBC. Stayed for a while after Keith O had to leave, but that was the beginning of the end for me.

[scottie55]

116. I Just Watched This On Rachel

I was pissed too.

Rachel, Hillary lost pledged delegates.

Maybe you should have said it.

Sellout is right.

F-You Rachel

[PFunk1]

117. So Rachael has gone corporate-crap.

And another icon gets tarnished. Seems to the an often occurring trend this election cycle. I'm now glad that the millennials have just tuned out MSNBC the MSM all together like I now do. I now think TYT are right on this one as in were seeing the end of MSNBC within 5-10 years and I guess she wants to cash in before it happens.

Point is where does Ms Maddow goes afterwards?

[closeupready]

118. People change. Sometimes for the better; with Maddow, not.

I've seen it, too, sadly, but it's just how it goes sometimes.

[madamesilverspurs]

119. Not only that,

I heard that she parts her hair in a secret signal to frustrated commie aliens!!!!. Clearly, we need a bigger bus with more room underneath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oilwellian]

120. I wonder what scholars will write of American Pravda

and its propaganda ministers. Break the spell of their cheesy corporate theater and free your mind.

[chillfactor]

127. oh come on.....

you Bernie supporters are really grasping at straws....stop the nonsense already,,,,

[lebkuchen]

133. agreed

this is not the time to create one's own little island

[Impedimentus]

136. She's Worshipping At the Altar of the Almighty Dollar

Another "journalist" sells out to the corporations.

[CreekDog]

138. prove it

without proof, your words are hollow and meaningless.