2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Sanders Radio Ad Sets Record Straight on Clinton’s Dishonest Attack on Auto Industry Rescue
Sanders on Dec. 11, 2008, voted for a $14 billion auto rescue package. During a debate Monday in Flint, Michigan, Clinton falsely claimed he opposed the assistance for carmakers and auto workers.
The ad, which will be broadcast on radio stations across Michigan, says Sanders has always been on the side of Michigan workers and working families. He not only voted for the auto rescue package, hes the only candidate whos opposed the job-killing trade deals that have crushed manufacturing.
Clinton, the ad says, is trying to distort the truth about Bernies record.
The ad quotes an article in The Washington Post suggesting that Clinton was trying to deceive voters on the eve of Tuesdays Michigan primary election. The Post said Clinton glosses over a lot . . . including the fact that Sanders is actually on the record as supporting the auto bailout. He even voted for it. The Post also said of Clinton, it seems like shes willing to take the gamble that fact checkers may call her out for her tactic but that voters wont.
The ad concludes by saying that Michigan voters deserve better than typical Washington tactics. Hoping voters dont figure out what youre up to till its too late. Theres only one candidate who honestly tells it like it is and isnt afraid of standing up for Michigan workers and thats Bernie Sanders.
https://berniesanders.com/radio-ad-sets-record-straight/
Ad audio at link.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Turn it against her.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I would strongly recommend 97.1.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She supported more imports with China just to help her billionaire friends who own Walmart.
It's defensive. Bernie needs to attack not just defend.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Bernie Sanders has always been on the side of Michigan workers and working families.
Bernie voted for the auto rescue package and hes the only candidate whos opposed the job killing trade deals that have crushed manufacturing.
But, Washington has always had a funny relationship with the truth.
So its not surprising his opponent is out with a new radio ad trying to distort the truth about Bernies record.
The Washington Post spells things out pretty clearly, stating his opponents campaign quote glosses over a lot . . . including the fact that Sanders is actually on the record as supporting the auto bailout. He even voted for it. unquote.
The Post goes further claiming quote "it seems like she's willing to take the gamble that fact checkers may call her out for her tactic... but that voters wont. Unquote.
Michigan voters deserve better than typical Washington tactics: Hoping voters dont figure out what youre up to till its too late.
Theres only one candidate who honestly tells it like it is and isnt afraid of standing up for Michigan workers and thats Bernie Sanders.
BERNIE:
Im Bernie Sanders, candidate for President, and I approve this message.
ANNOUNCER:
Paid for by Bernie 2016.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Outright lying about your opponent's position is unacceptable and not a trait that displays leadership.
Segami
(14,923 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)It would be a shame to see Hillary win but know it was about her "skillfull" attack.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)GO BERNIE!
GO MICHIGAN!
(Go Blue!)
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Makes it better for rapid response.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I hope this damn lie comes back to bite her in the ass.
xocet
(3,871 posts)n/t
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Really? Tell that to the entire manufacturing industry employees.
Such lies and blatant distortion.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)to Mexico after NAFTA passed--
Whirlpool (Ft. Smith)
Emerson Electric (Rogers)
Guardian Industries (Rogers)
Levi's (Fayetteville and Harrison)
There are probably more.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)cattle prices here in the US.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)"He was against the Auto Bailout" she says...
peacebird
(14,195 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts)So Sanders tried unsuccessfully to offer up about 15% of the money needed in a bill he likely knew would fail a divided Congress. Meanwhile, when the more popular TARP was poised to pass with bipartisan favor he joined Mitt Romney in saying "let GM fail".
I was three months away from losing my GM pension when Obama announced he'd take $87bil from TARP to save the livelihood of thousands of UAW workers here near Lordstown OH where the award winning Cruze is proudly built to this day. I don't see how Bernie Sanders was implement in that happening.
This sounds like 100% damage control spin.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Against TARP, not the auto bailout. As a matter of fact he advocated for the bill that would bail out the auto industry, not for the CEO's or the corporations themselves, but for the workers. Check out C-span videos from the time, you can find many speeches that prove what I am saying.
JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts)Had the rest of Congress followed Sanders' lead it would absolutely have pushed the country into full blown economic depression. I can only assume Bernie knew his vote against TARP would be overridden by his peers and considered it a symbolic protest vote. Well, that principled stand came back to bite him in the ass.
The bottom line is that Sanders voted against the bill that would bail out the auto industry only because it included money for his bugaboo cause: big banks and Wall Street. If that's how he would govern from the White House it would reflect shortsightedness and immaturity to an alarming degree.
I understand why Bernie people are running extreme damage control, this has left an undeniable mark on his campaign. It's going to take more than shouting people down and blaming Clinton to fix it.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)we wouldn't have been in the mess in the first place.
1991 savings and loan bailout:
2008 Bank bailout:
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Thanks for the vids.
And: Go, Bernie!!!!!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unfortunately once a lie is out there it's usually too late.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)Clinton charging Sanders with not supporting the auto industry bailout is a pretty clear example of cheap election-year tactics where you hope the talking point will resonate more loudly than the fact-checkers.
Sanders supported the auto industry rescue, but did not want it to be part of the TARP vote. And it was not known that TARP would be used for the auto rescue at the time of the vote.
JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts)First of all, his $14bil bill wasn't nearly enough to bring the companies out of failure. The final number needed was $87bil. Sanders had to know his anemic offer would not pass his Republican peers in Congress who desperately wanted GM and the UAW to fail.
Second, if Congress had followed Sanders' lead on TARP it would have plunged the country into full blown depression costing taxpayers much more than the $800bil final tab. I can assume Bernie cast what he thought was a protest vote that he knew would be overridden with bipartisan favor.
The bottom line is that Sanders voted against the money that saved GM because it funded a bail out of his prime bugaboo: big banks and Wall Street. If Bernie would govern the White House with such a narrow vision it shows a lack of maturity and ability to see the big picture.
I get that his supporters are running damage control on this, it's leaving a mark on his campaign. The bailout is personal to me, a GM retiree who is proud of the Chevy Cruze built near here in Lordstown Ohio. It's going to take more than shouting people down and blaming Clinton to fix this.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Ford never needed a bailout.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)"his anemic offer"
It wasn't Bernie's bill, it wasn't Bernie's "offer". Bernie voted on a bill drafted by Barney Frank.
Please, try to be a little bit honest here.
As far as the TARP bailout, please remember, the primary focus of that bill was the financial industry. And you can call it Bernie's "prime bugaboo", but the fact is that our representatives on both sides of the aisle were receiving input from their constituents that was running something like 100 to 1 against the TARP bailout. And while you are certainly right there were risks to not doing something, the real question is, why were the banks allowed to be made whole at 100 cents to the dollar, while all of us Little People were left twisting in the wind?
Well we all know why: because our government these days is of the oligarchs, by the oligarchs and for the oligarchs.
Bernie voted with the people on TARP. Bernie wants to get us a government that is of the people, by the people and for the people.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I know it has been said before, but I have to say it again, this woman will say or do anything to gain power. Lie, it is obvious she will do that to get the position. My question is, if she will lie to get the position is she lying about everything some people seem to think she will do once in office. What do I think. I believe you can bet your bottom dollar she will.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)The December bill was tabled. It went nowhere...the bill that became law was in January...and Bernie did in fact vote against it. He voted against it because it also helped the banks...now bailout were not popular, but I do believe Bernie's motivation was ideological. However, the result would be the same...autos gone. Now those in Michigan closely followed this and know what happened so this radio ad will not help him...hubs works in autos...I live in Ohio by the way.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)..."He voted against it because it also helped the banks".
That is some first-rate spin right there.
Also??? You have it backwards. The TARP bill was drafted as a bailout of the banks. Any other provisions that were added, those were the "also" parts.
Please. Try to be a little bit honest.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Clinton's Charge That Sanders Did Not Support Auto Rescue Is Wrong
by David kiley
In the world of Congressional votes, the truth is seldom seen, but much mischief can be made.
During the debate in Flint, Michigan, a visibly tired Sanders did a poor job of explaining the confusion. I am not a Sanders supporter, but the truth is always important.
Secretary Clinton is chastising Sanders in the Motor State for not voting for the bill that created the funding for an auto bailout. Except, it wasnt known that the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bill, designed to bail out Wall Street banks from their subprime mortgage loan debacle that was crashing the economy, would be used to rescue the auto industry at the time Senators Sanders and Clinton voted on it. Clinton voted yay. Sanders voted nay. It was President Bush who signed the bill into law.
Later, in December 2008, the Senate took up a separate bill that would have provided rescue funds specifically for the auto industry. That bill failed to get the 60-vote filibuster-proof minimum when Republicans balked at saving General Motors GM -2.06%, Ford and Chrysler, in large part because they wanted to use the occasion to try and destroy the United Auto Workers union, which stood to benefit from a bailout by having their healthcare fund and pensions protected, and its interests prioritized over bond holders. Both Clinton and Sanders voted for this bill.