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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:56 AM Mar 2016

Anyone who likes and respect President Obama, believes he's done a good job with the economy,

agrees with the vast majority of his policies and basically wants someone who is going to more or less continue them, should be supporting Hillary in the primaries. Agree?

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Anyone who likes and respect President Obama, believes he's done a good job with the economy, (Original Post) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 OP
And anyone that thinks we can and must do even better should vote for Bernie! nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #1
Those are different things Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #2
Only if you think what we have is the absolute best that can ever be done Scootaloo Mar 2016 #3
Hilary's no Obama. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #4
Admittedly she is more ambivalent about free trade agreements and the TPP than President Obama is. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #6
Yay, more free trade, deregulation, and a lot more mega death in the middle east. JRLeft Mar 2016 #17
It takes a child to raze a village Baobab Mar 2016 #23
Yeah, sure she is. Kall Mar 2016 #30
I'm a Sanders supporter and I agree with that, yes. Marr Mar 2016 #5
Oh Goodie noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #7
Nothing wrong with opposing some of Obama's policies. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #10
Are you a juridicial person? Baobab Mar 2016 #14
Not for you noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Baobab Mar 2016 #11
More or less of the same. Yes, support Hillary for that. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #8
Sorry, I disagree. The Aminjistrations secret trade deals are worse than Baobab Mar 2016 #9
Bubba bashes Obama's 'pretty picture' economy, says millions left behind ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #12
Read this story - Start with "A Cautionary Tale" on Page 8 Baobab Mar 2016 #18
Woah! TY for the link, it's very good. ebayfool Mar 2016 #21
It's all spelled out right there... CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #35
This OP is a massive fail. vintx Mar 2016 #43
No. I meet those criteria but I do not agree. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #13
President Clinton just called President Obama's economy an illusion Prism Mar 2016 #15
I think President Obama has done a great job given the crap he has had to put up with davidpdx Mar 2016 #16
Absolutely Not. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #19
Do you support Obama's policies on free trade agreements? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #38
Nope. I once voted for Dick Gephardt because he was against NAFTA Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #46
That is a very tactful way of putting it. ucrdem Mar 2016 #22
No. I meet those criteria and do not agree. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #24
No, he has done nothing about the core problems. He did some good things but still mostly litlbilly Mar 2016 #25
and also, i phone banked for Obama in 08 and 12 litlbilly Mar 2016 #27
No. H2O Man Mar 2016 #26
I think Obama saved our economy gwheezie Mar 2016 #28
That's a really difficult to make in some areas loyalsister Mar 2016 #29
46.4 million living in poverty, up about ~9 million over the last 8 yeras. CentralMass Mar 2016 #31
Neither am I. 840high Mar 2016 #33
charter schools ibegurpard Mar 2016 #32
Nope Kalidurga Mar 2016 #34
no - i like and respect him PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #36
I don't see Sanders as a threat to any Obama policy except the TPP. I don't see any virtue Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #37
No, I have to disagree there Recursion Mar 2016 #39
Will he sign as many free trade agreements as President Obama has? Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #40
I think so, yeah: he's an FDR democrat Recursion Mar 2016 #42
Big problem with that is that Obama ran against Hillary, she is not an extension of him, she is the Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #41
If-then fallacy; affirming the consequent. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #44
No. Obama stopped the implosion. Now the repair needs to be done. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #45
Nope, not me democrattotheend Mar 2016 #47
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Only if you think what we have is the absolute best that can ever be done
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

Me, I think that Obama's achievements can be built on, improved, expanded. That's how progress works, last I heard. That's one reason I support Sanders - he's a better option for getting progress on top of what's already built.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Admittedly she is more ambivalent about free trade agreements and the TPP than President Obama is.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:06 AM
Mar 2016

And being a strong supporter of free trade, I see that as a negative. However, I think she is the candidate who will be the closest to continuing Obama's current policies.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
5. I'm a Sanders supporter and I agree with that, yes.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary's policies and priorities are pretty much the same as Obama's.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
7. Oh Goodie
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:06 AM
Mar 2016

Another one of those threads where if you disagree in any way they accuse you of being anti-Obama or even worse racist. Are some of the Clinton supporters so desperate to win that they have to post threads every day to try to divide people? I feel so sorry for them that they have such little faith in their candidate that they feel the need to do this over and over and over.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Nothing wrong with opposing some of Obama's policies.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:10 AM
Mar 2016

I personally oppose his support of the death penalty, so in that respect I am proudly "anti-Obama". And I know that many DUers (not me) dislike the fact that he has signed several free trade agreements during his presidency. And I find it a little confusing that you are injecting the word "racist" into this; does opposing Obama's policy on the death penalty make me a racist?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
20. Not for you
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:24 AM
Mar 2016

It only seems to apply to Sanders supporters. By the way nice touch trying to turn it around on me but it's par for the course on these type of threads. I've seen it done so many times already which is why I posted what I did. You have a nice night.

Response to noretreatnosurrender (Reply #7)

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
9. Sorry, I disagree. The Aminjistrations secret trade deals are worse than
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

any other policy I've ever seen. They attempt to gut democracy and make it into a shell that has no real power to change important things like health care, banking, education and services, by attempting to give corporations from around the world a level playing field to globally pillage the country. Vote for HRC if you dont want an more new Deals, want to pay top dollar for drugs, want to stop single payer health care by lying about it, and want privatization of public education, not just here, but in lots of other countries, like India. (the most recent casualty of 'progressive liberalisation') Vote for HRC if you want to see US jobs bid out to the lowest qualified bidding corporation from anywhere in the WTO or RGFS, who will get to pay their highly skilled workers minimum wage.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
12. Bubba bashes Obama's 'pretty picture' economy, says millions left behind ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bill-clinton-millions-and-millions-and-millions-and-millions-left-out-of-obama-recovery/article/2585134

Do you agree with Bill?

snip/

Former President Bill Clinton rapped President Obama's "pretty picture" of economic recovery, claiming in a campaign stop for his wife Monday that millions of Americans have been left behind.

He referred to Obama's State of the Union address and his claims of economic prosperity as a "pretty picture" most haven't experienced.

"Millions and millions and millions and millions of people look at that pretty picture of America he painted and they cannot find themselves in it to save their lives," he said in Raleigh, N.C.

"Hillary is running for president to put every single American in the picture President Obama painted," he added.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
18. Read this story - Start with "A Cautionary Tale" on Page 8
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:22 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/nafta.pdf

It will introduce you to a bunch of important terrifying 21st century concepts in just one concise, informative page.
 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
35. It's all spelled out right there...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:18 AM
Mar 2016

The whole agenda.

How did the Bush policies become Democratic policies?

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
15. President Clinton just called President Obama's economy an illusion
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:15 AM
Mar 2016

So, your viewpoint is kind of interesting in light of that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. I think President Obama has done a great job given the crap he has had to put up with
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:19 AM
Mar 2016

There are a few instances where I disagree with him mainly TPP. That doesn't mean I agree with HC's stances.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
46. Nope. I once voted for Dick Gephardt because he was against NAFTA
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

and my views on trade have not changed.


 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
25. No, he has done nothing about the core problems. He did some good things but still mostly
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

centrist crap. Nothing for the middle class or poor. Its time to move on from the conservadem crap and fix this shit.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. I think Obama saved our economy
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:42 AM
Mar 2016

Inspite of the GOP and some bluedog dems. I'm grateful he was president after the Bush disaster.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
29. That's a really difficult to make in some areas
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:53 AM
Mar 2016

Here, we have 3% unemployment. Sounds good until you hear that we also have a 20% poverty level. People who are living the nightmare of working more than one job and still unable to afford the heallth insurance they are required to buy do not see the kind of economic improvement or the benefits of the ACA in their daily life. Worse, they have no hope that things will be better for their kids.

There is more progress to be made and for the sake of the people who have not benefitted but keep hearing how great things are, I think we need someone who is willing to be bold and say that there is a better, more inclusive way to do things.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
31. 46.4 million living in poverty, up about ~9 million over the last 8 yeras.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:07 AM
Mar 2016

National debt of $19 trillion it was $9.8 trillion 8 years ago. Record high corporate profits while wages as a share of the GDP haven't been this low since 1929.

He kept a slightly modified version of Dubya''s fiscal policies.

So no I am no fan of his fiscal policies. .

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
32. charter schools
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:10 AM
Mar 2016

Taxpayer giveaways to health insurance companies instead of actual healthcare, strengthening of the surveillance state, corporate trade policy that undermines the working class...what's not to love?

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
36. no - i like and respect him
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:37 AM
Mar 2016

But I disagree with many of his ppolicies (if not most) and think it's too little too late ad regards climate change.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
37. I don't see Sanders as a threat to any Obama policy except the TPP. I don't see any virtue
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:49 AM
Mar 2016

in any of Hillary's corporate dealings.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
40. Will he sign as many free trade agreements as President Obama has?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:35 AM
Mar 2016

Because I support Obama's stance on free trade.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
41. Big problem with that is that Obama ran against Hillary, she is not an extension of him, she is the
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:47 AM
Mar 2016

key opponent to him, they spent a year in detailed description of the vast differences between them. Was that all a big fake? Both candidates feigning rivalry when in reality they were in full accord? That does not make me prone to like either of them....
This problem with your thinking is very much highlighted by the fact that on DU most of Hillary's current supporters were invective spitting Hillary opponents in 08, they saw no good in her and had no problem saying so in very strong and fully certain terms.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
45. No. Obama stopped the implosion. Now the repair needs to be done.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:43 AM
Mar 2016

As demonstrated by her policies from 1992 on, she doesn't understand the importance of the working classes and their financial health to the economy.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
47. Nope, not me
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

I think Obama has done a great job as president but I don't think Hillary is as progressive as he is on some issues, and I would prefer someone who is even a little bit more progressive than President Obama. I also prefer Sanders because I find him more trustworthy than Hillary, and this was one of the factors that led me to support Obama over Hillary in 2008. I think Obama has made some significant progressive accomplishments as president, but I would like the next president to be someone who seeks to expand on the progress he has made rather than simply continuing his policies.

I think it is fair to say that anyone who wants to continue President Obama's policies should be committed to supporting whichever of our two candidates becomes the nominee. I think we can all agree that a President Trump or President Cruz would not do a good job of continuing the vast majority of President Obama's policies.

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