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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:42 PM Mar 2016

How can anyone support a big-time habitual and dishonest liar for President? Hillary.


“I voted to save the auto industry,” Clinton said during the debate. “He voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry.”

Left unmentioned was an earlier Sanders vote in favor of the bailout. The vote that Clinton referenced was on legislation to release funds for a Wall Street bailout, some of which were instead used to help auto manufacturers.

“What I did not vote for was a middle-class bailout for the crooks on Wall Street,” Sanders told his audience there.


But Hilary didn't have a hard time voting to bailout her pals and funders on Wall Street
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How can anyone support a big-time habitual and dishonest liar for President? Hillary. (Original Post) imagine2015 Mar 2016 OP
I didn't...I voted for Bernie. Punkingal Mar 2016 #1
The bigger the lie the more people will believe it WDIM Mar 2016 #2
The answer is simple Mufaddal Mar 2016 #3
That's what happens when someone is "inflexible" and can't make difficult decisions or ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4
Difficult decisions lke supporting job destroying trade agreements and handouts to Wall Street? imagine2015 Mar 2016 #19
What may seem to be the "obvious" choice to some isn't necessarily the best or wisest choice. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #20
It's simply mind-boggling. n/t laruemtt Mar 2016 #5
Maybe she was grazed Shadowflash Mar 2016 #6
So you won't be voting for Hillary in the GE? rock Mar 2016 #7
Are you fearful that your beloved candidate is too crooked for people? n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #10
So you won't be voting for Hillary in the GE? rock Mar 2016 #11
I will be. Herman4747 Mar 2016 #13
I congratulate you rock Mar 2016 #14
I won't. I'll write Bernie in. The primary's not over, so pffft on your loyalty pledge. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #24
Here, I'd better make a note so I don't forget rock Mar 2016 #27
Yep. +1 for Bernie. PonyUp Mar 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author rock Mar 2016 #39
So I take you don't have a problem voting for an habitual liar and dishonest politician. imagine2015 Mar 2016 #17
You assume way too many "facts" that are not in evidence rock Mar 2016 #22
I take it you won't be voting for Bernie in the GE? Kittycat Mar 2016 #28
If he wins the primary election I certainly will (without the slightest pause) rock Mar 2016 #31
Hillary is a Democrat in name only. nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #38
A much better case can be made that Bernie is not a Democrat rock Mar 2016 #40
So what she said was exactly TRUE. There is a load of dishonesty in this OP but Clinton is not Persondem Mar 2016 #8
It depends on what the definition of "is" is. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #15
Nice try at deflection. Her quote was accurate. Persondem Mar 2016 #33
So was Bill's. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #35
Which has ZERO to do with the issue at hand. Persondem Mar 2016 #36
You Mean Donald Trump Right? Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #9
This vid should really be updated to reflect her near-daily additions... AzDar Mar 2016 #12
Thom Hartmann referred to that Clinton statement as classic David Brock "oppo research" BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #16
Fear. I'm convinced that's what is driving most who condone Hillary's horrid behavior. Avalux Mar 2016 #18
Fear. The gateway drug to conservatism. Kittycat Mar 2016 #29
Because a Cruz or Rubio would be far, far worse. PeteSelman Mar 2016 #21
I'm voting Bernie. 840high Mar 2016 #23
I think the most objective view on what Clinton said is that it's kinda-sorta true. randome Mar 2016 #25
One shouldn't be a patsy for opposition politicians Onlooker Mar 2016 #26
Easy, she is the most qualified candidate running for president. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #30
Since I don't agree with the premise of your post, I will vote for Hillary joyfully. Beacool Mar 2016 #32
I will be voting for Bernie. (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #34

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
2. The bigger the lie the more people will believe it
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

That is exactly what the Bankster bailout was a huge lie to steal from the tax payers

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. That's what happens when someone is "inflexible" and can't make difficult decisions or ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

... take hard choices for the sake of ideological purity. "Purity above all" is no way to govern effectively.

(But it's great for soap.)

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
19. Difficult decisions lke supporting job destroying trade agreements and handouts to Wall Street?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

Those would not be a difficult decisions for Bernie Sanders. He'd voted NO!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. What may seem to be the "obvious" choice to some isn't necessarily the best or wisest choice.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

It's very difficult to be an ideologue and practical and wise at the same time. It's also not a very realistic, practical or expedient way to accomplish much of anything. I prefer having a candidate that can look forward and who can anticipate the consequences and who's not afraid to make difficult decisions. Being inflexible and myopic is not a virtue.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
6. Maybe she was grazed
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

by a bullet while evading sniper fire and didn't come out as unscathed as she figured?

I don't think she would LIE about anything.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
13. I will be.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:21 PM
Mar 2016

As should all voters living in toss-up, battleground states. Still, though...



...either way I lose.

rock

(13,218 posts)
27. Here, I'd better make a note so I don't forget
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

If Hillary is the Dem candidate, mark +1 for Bernie.

Response to PonyUp (Reply #37)

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
17. So I take you don't have a problem voting for an habitual liar and dishonest politician.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

Did I get that right?

In fact, you'd rather vote for a dishonest politician than an honest and truthful candidate like Bernie.

Did I also get that right?

rock

(13,218 posts)
22. You assume way too many "facts" that are not in evidence
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

So your question does not have sufficient footing. And of course I'm still interested: you won't be voting for Hillary in the GE?

rock

(13,218 posts)
31. If he wins the primary election I certainly will (without the slightest pause)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:46 PM
Mar 2016

Any Democrat (even a temporary one) is much better than any Republican.

rock

(13,218 posts)
40. A much better case can be made that Bernie is not a Democrat
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

He readily admits he's a Socialist, but tags Democratic onto it and runs under that label. I personally don't pay any attention to the labels (unless they're Republicans who always run true to form) but to their actions, plans, and stances on issues.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
8. So what she said was exactly TRUE. There is a load of dishonesty in this OP but Clinton is not
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

responsible for it.

From the OP - "The vote that Clinton referenced was on legislation to release funds for a Wall Street bailout, some of which were instead used to help auto manufacturers."

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
36. Which has ZERO to do with the issue at hand.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

.. and mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy. So there.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
16. Thom Hartmann referred to that Clinton statement as classic David Brock "oppo research"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016

that she had ready to dump on Bernie in the debate. Hartmann and his two panelists said it was a lie but Bernie is too polite to call her a liar.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
18. Fear. I'm convinced that's what is driving most who condone Hillary's horrid behavior.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

They are terrified of a Republican becoming president and see her as the only viable option.

I read posts by some Hillary supporters who see absolutely nothing wrong with her ties to big money, her pro-fracking stance, her decidely neocon tendencies.

It's mind-boggling.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
21. Because a Cruz or Rubio would be far, far worse.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:20 PM
Mar 2016

Not a ringing endorsement for sure but it is practical.

I'm voting Bernie in the primary.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. I think the most objective view on what Clinton said is that it's kinda-sorta true.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:33 PM
Mar 2016

To call it a 'lie' is just as much a stretch as to say that Sanders didn't care about the auto industry.

This is a campaign. If Sanders and his supporters can't handle this mild level of back-and-forth, they won't last a day with the GOP.
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Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
26. One shouldn't be a patsy for opposition politicians
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

It's important to evaluate claims and charges on their own merits. Whether accusing Bernie of being soft on gun control, of having no role in the various civil rights movements because he spent most of his life in an all-white all-liberal state, whether voting against the bill that would lead to the bailout of the auto industry, whether having sympathy for Soviet communism, or something else, we have to take it into account that those claims come from those who oppose him.

The same goes for Hillary. Up until now, Hillary was regarded as a reliable, liberal politician (not as liberal as Bernie, but nonetheless liberal). We should be intelligent enough to know that the accusations against her by her opponents are very biased in their presentation.

It takes a little bit of intelligence to look at information through an independent lens, but I bet you can do it. That's what Einstein did with all his amazing work.

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