Uh Oh! Senators & Hillary supporters going after Hillary on her false statement on auto bailout vote

[jillan]

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-senators-take-issue-hillary-clintons-portrayal-bailout-vote-2332552
excerpts - more at link

Democratic Senators Take Issue With Hillary Clinton’s Portrayal Of Bailout Vote

Heading into crucial primaries in auto industry states such as Michigan and Ohio, Hillary Clinton in recent days has argued that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ 2009 vote to block the release of Wall Street bailout money proves he “was against the auto bailout” and that he voted “against the money that ended up saving the auto industry.” But other Democratic lawmakers who voted the same way as Sanders are challenging Clinton’s portrayal of that vote.

In interviews with International Business Times, two former Democratic senators took issue with the notion promoted by the former secretary of state that their vote to block Wall Street bailout money somehow put them at odds with the auto industry. Another Democratic senator’s office told IBT that the vote was about reining in the financial industry — not about opposing help for autoworkers.

However, former North Dakota Sen. Byron Dorgan told IBT that the vote in question “was viewed by most as here’s what needs to be done to address the Wall Street issue” and that therefore he voted to block the money because “my view of it was if you don’t add some restrictions now, you’ll never add them, and so for the next year and a half Wall Street was able to work their will on a range of things that should have been done but were never done.”

A similar sentiment was expressed by Indiana’s former Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh — who also voted with Sanders to block the TARP money. He told IBT that while he did not recall the specific 2009 vote that Clinton is citing, his state is home to a large contingent of autoworkers and that he therefore does not believe he cast a vote that was designed to deny help to the auto industry.

“My state, Indiana, is a big auto state, and I was always very strongly in favor of helping the auto companies, and I’m glad we did,” said Bayh, who has endorsed Clinton’s presidential bid. “So I would find it to be very unlikely that I cast something that at the time was perceived to be an anti-auto vote.”

[tk2kewl]

1. .

[Herman4747]

2. Hillary, do you have not a shred of decency? n/t

[tk2kewl]

4. .

[Oilwellian]

6. Is that an untouched photo? n/t

[tk2kewl]

8. may be cropped from original, but otherwise untouched

as far as I know

[Oilwellian]

10. Yeah, you can see the beginning of a "Y" at the end

It's awesome if it's real!

[daleanime]

23. And a bit of the base...

of the second 'L'.

[whatchamacallit]

9. Brill!

[Carolina]

14. Perfect camera angle

eom

[Enthusiast]

21. Perfect picture.

[Waiting For Everyman]

24. Lol! So perfect!

I still say she's going to spontaneously combust, nobody should stand too close to her.

[Jefferson23]

62. lol

[Unknown Beatle]

65. You can't spell Hillary without Liar.

[Fast Walker 52]

79. good one.... that may well stick too

[Jarqui]

81. That made me laugh. Thanks

[Betty Karlson]

30. No. Because ... if she had kept her decency then 9/11 and also ovaries.

Now just get in line and vote for her, because you willgo to Hell if you don't (if you are a woman) and you are sexist if you dont (if you are a man) and socialism is a bad word because it was in the 20th century. As DINO-Debbie is wont to say: "You complacent millennial!"

[lsewpershad]

50. Apparently not

[snowy owl]

67. None.

No

[sammythecat]

71. There is no slander, no lie, that is beneath her.

Hillary Clinton is a liar. It is just that simple. There was a time when I was 100% for Hillary, but I've since learned so much more about her and now I find her sickening, and all the more so because she's using her slimy dishonest tactics to stand in the way of Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders wants to help us, while Hillary Clinton just wants to be President.

[Dont call me Shirley]

19. Kitchen sink boomerang....

[Helen Borg]

49. Boomerang sink!

[merrily]

74. I am so stealing that.

[Katashi_itto]

3. K&R

[AzDar]

5. Hillary Clinton is a corrupt liar. She will be a disaster if she sleazes her way to the Nomination..

[jillan]

7. Right?! It's pretty pathetic when you have to blatantly lie to win.

[Duval]

32. I find it sickening.

[Jitter65]

11. They are just covering their asses too. nt

[cyberswede]

18. Yep. nt

[WillyT]

12. K & R !!!

[Oilwellian]

13. The Photo lie was placed right before Super Tuesday

and now this lie was placed right before the Michigan primary. Who wants a president that will brazenly lie to your face?

[passiveporcupine]

34. what has me a little alarmed

is that she has been known to do this, so why is his campaign not on top of looking for this and prepping him to have a quick response to rebut her every time she pulls this (ah, but look how he voted) crap. They need to look at his vote history for everything he voted for/against and how it relates to the state he will be campaigning in just prior to votes.

she's done it twice already. Civil rights photo and auto bailout. Now she will be looking for any other opportunity she can "sound bite" her way into using. She will do this again.

[mrdmk]

84. My experience with people of this nature is they will say anything to get a upper hand

Which means, a person on the receiving end needs to ready for anything, at any moment and do the best that they can. This includes doing it in front of millions of viewers in real time. It is an exasperating experience for the receiver having to deal with a play on facts, especially a person who believes in the greater good.

The real discussion needs to be, what kind of leader do we want?

[sabrina 1]

77. I believe it was deliberate, a tactic. She surrounds herself with Rovian smearmongers and this is

how they do things. They had a good run before people learned about them and their tactics. The problem for her is that she is generally viewed as dishonest so when someone is generally viewed as one of the most honest politicians, says 'you're wrong Hillary' who are people going to believe?

Strategically placed lies. She thinks we are still living in the 'nineties when people were not aware of this despicable tactic that is destroying our democratic processes.

[olddots]

15. cue up the theme from Evita

[EndElectoral]

16. The word mischaracterization is too kind for HRC's lies on this.

[SusanCalvin]

59. It's a bald-faced lie. nt

[MisterP]

17. they lie because it works: it makes enough voters quail or hesitate or confirm

the myths the Clinton campaign spread with its other arm

and by the time it's exposed the vote's over, no backsies

[KoKo]

20. K&R!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Poor Hillary. She had to make more room in her overstuffed baggage car.

[TIME TO PANIC]

25. K & R!

[dsc]

26. they voted no on a bill that contained the money for the bailout

that is opposing it. Now they may have had reasons, you may like those reasons, but the fact is that there was money and they voted not to spend the money. plain and simple.

[JDPriestly]

48. Have you noticed that the two very popular challengers, both Bernie and Trump, in this

election are tougher deal-makers and are running on their deal-making abilities.

Bernei says what he thinks. In the House he was known as the King of Amendments.

He makes deals. He has always been on the leftish outside in all his offices from Mayor of Burlington to the Senate.

I suggest you read the book Outsider in the White House which tells the story of Bernie's negotiations and deals and his incredible political sense.

Bernie stands up for people. Bernie will win this election because he stands up for people.

[JackRiddler]

88. For which bailout? The Wall Street bailout!

Some of that money was then used for GM and Chrysler, after Obama came in. But that was not specified when they voted - it was a TARP release vote.

[highprincipleswork]

27. Another attack based on the hope people will not educate themselves enough - feels rotten.

[zentrum]

28. Hope this is enough but

……will it reach the people in Michigan with enough time for them to digest it?

Michigan is the first real industrial area vote of the season I think. The dying auto industry was devastating.

[billhicks76]

29. Hillary Campaign Hits Another Low

They think they can just get away with this repulsive behavior? If she gets the nod there will definitely be low turnout in Nov. They can whine all they want about whose fault it will be but it still won't change that fact. This will probably mean a President Cruz in my opinion.

[restorefreedom]

35. and they will own it lock, stock, and barrel nt

[vintx]

31. So not all of her supporters think lying is "artful" and a positive thing?

Good to know.

[Ford_Prefect]

33. In her own words: "People should and do trust me". July 2015

Imagine.......



http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/politics/hillary-clinton-iowa-first-interview/index.html

[AlbertCat]

38. "People should and do trust me".

Notice "should" comes 1st.

Ever her syntax is condescending.

[Ford_Prefect]

41. Yeah. Imagine that... A progressive for the people, don't you know?

[SunSeeker]

36. Dorgan and Bayh are just trying to spin why they voted No. They are not denying they voted No.

Nor are they denying the TARP bill that they voted No on contained the money for the auto bailout.

Maybe there is a reason Evan Bayh is Indiana's FORMER senator.

[AlbertCat]

40. Dorgan and Bayh are just trying to spin why they voted No.

In your opinion. Maybe, maybe not

But we know Hillary is lying.... because Sanders isn't spinning why he voted.

[SunSeeker]

46. LA Times: Bernie Sanders was for the auto industry bailout before he was against it

Sanders' campaign pointed out Monday that he had voted in favor of the $14-billion "aid package." The campaign went on to say, "When that bill ran a Senate Republican roadblock, the White House turned to a separate Wall Street bailout fund for loans to the auto industry." (See what they did there? The proposed auto industry measure was an "aid package," which is good, right? The other was a "bailout," which is obviously evil.)

What the campaign failed to mention was that Sanders voted the following month with Republicans in a failed effort to cancel the second half of TARP's funding, which would have stopped the Obama administration from using $350 billion in bailout dollars. That sum had $4 billion earmarked for the auto bailout, but arguably included most of the $80 billion that ultimately was lent to the industry.

So in other words, Sanders was following in the footsteps of Kerry, who famously tried to hold himself out as an opponent of the Iraq War by noting that he'd voted against a bill to fund it -- after previously voting for the measure.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-sanders-auto-bailout-20160307-story.html

[DefenseLawyer]

53. Evan Bayh is a tool

but he's only a FORMER Senator because he chose not to seek another term. He was never in fear of losing re-election, so I'm not sure what you're implying with your capital letters.

[PatrickforO]

37. She's a LIAR.

She does not deserve to be my president.

[jillan]

39. More and more people coming out and calling it a lie....

David Shuster ‏@DavidShuster 18h18 hours ago
.@BernieSanders supported auto bailout. @HillaryClinton claim he did not is a LIE, as noted by EVERY #factcheck group. #MichiganPrimary

[Babel_17]

58. Thanks! Googling it now ... (nt)

[MissDeeds]

45. +1000000

She doesn't deserve to be mine either, and I will do anything I can, as one solitary voter, to prevent that from happening.

[senz]

63. +1000

[jwirr]

42. Good for them. Truth.

[FailureToCommunicate]

43. Too late for todays voting, alas.

[INdemo]

44. This shows that she wants this at all costs.

She will say anything do anything to be President that she has wanted this for 30 years.
Hillary has assembled a campaign staff that will lie,cheat and even steal to get this for her..Her campaign staff including former right wing advisers and managers.

[Uncle Joe]

47. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, jillan.

[redstateblues]

51. In BSS world up is down, the truth is a lie

Bernie voted against the bill that saved the auto industry

[blackspade]

52. Triangulation oops!

When, in an attempt to smear your opponent, you smear your friends.

[demwing]

83. New Word - "Striangulation"

when you strangle yourself on your own triangulation

[Babel_17]

54. Great news, and on two levels

Besides it being good news for Senator Sanders, it's great to see at least part of the press doing its job. And along with that, I'm grateful for speaking up, with the truth.

[pat_k]

55. Kick'n'rec (nt)

[Babel_17]

56. "That's what they offered" (she didn't ask for the talking point lie smearing Sanders)

It's just what her people handed her. It was very Brockian of them.

Can then be a new word, please? Though maybe the lie came directly from Brock himself. A fair question for the press to ask, imo. And please, let them remember to include mention of Anita Hill's treatment in the following article. Heck, straight up ask Brock if he's up to his old tricks.

[amborin]

57. K&R

[kgnu_fan]

60. they should.

[senz]

61. So glad she's getting the attention she deserves for this.

People need to know exactly what kind of person she is and what she's capable of.

[brooklynite]

64. You know there's a difference between Senators and FORMER Senators?

[Scootaloo]

75. Excellent rebuttal.

You really showed us, Brooklynite. Gosh.

[dflprincess]

66. I can hear the spin now

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant"

[billhicks76]

68. Haven't Been This Disgusted With A Democrat Since Joe Leiberman

Im curious if people think we should vote for Joe if he was the nominee????????

[Scootaloo]

76. At least he had the decency to fuck off to form the Joe Lieberman party.

[Bubzer]

69. Alert results

I'm sure this'll come as no surprise:

On Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1445071

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Not just over the top, WAY over the top. Posting a picture of Hillary with "LIAR" behind her is behavior one would expect on free republic, NOT on DU. Hillary does NOT deserve to be treated this way, and more importantly she will soon be our nominee. Jury, please hide, and Moderators, this poster would be a goon one to include in our purge.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What next, porn mockups?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[billhicks76]

78. "Our Purge"

Last edited Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Who the hell is this so called person? Decent human beings don't conduct "purges". I'm sure makes a lot of friends in real life. Get over it. When someone lies a lot in politics and especially when they crave the most powerful throne in the world then they should have to put up with the people speaking truth to power. Censoring and silencing average citizens for speaking their minds is fascist. Take it somewhere else.

[rhett o rick]

80. Purge is one of the top priorities over at the so-called "Think Tank." nm

[billhicks76]

85. So They Are Going To Purge Bernie Supporters?

That's a crime in itself.

[rhett o rick]

86. Lock, hide and ban. That's the strategy coming directly from the Clinton Cave. nm

[billhicks76]

87. Karma Sux And Is Real

Her and her advisors will pay for all of this.

[ozone_man]

70. Her lies will catch up to her. n/t

[Logical]

72. Kick

[southerncrone]

73. Ooops!

[Arizona Roadrunner]

82. want to know why her "do you trust her" has such high negatives?

Bernie has pointed out Clinton's statements of support for the companies in India bringing contract H-1b employees to the USA and Michigan. He also should say this is why we need to see what she told Goldman-Sachs for the $675,000. How much support did she give them? After all, Goldman-Sachs probably tax deducted the "expense" and therefore we have standing to ask what did we get for either paying more taxes or getting less services as a result of the deduction.

Also, she is "currently" against TPP. However the US Chamber of Commerce has put out a message to it's membership that after the election, they are sure she will find reasons to be "currently" in favor of TPP

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-chief-tom-donohue.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

By the way, have you noticed most of Hillary's "wins" are in states that the Democrats have no hope of winning in the general election.