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FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:15 PM Mar 2016

The civil rights LIE about Bernie was launched in preparation for South Carolina

as a way to take one of Bernie's great strengths and Karl Rove it into a weakness.

The auto bailout lie was launched in preparation for the Michigan primary and as a way to attack Bernie's strength in fighting for working families and unions and Karl Rove it into a weakness.

Here is what I think of people who spread Hiliary Clinton's slime:

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The civil rights LIE about Bernie was launched in preparation for South Carolina (Original Post) FlatBaroque Mar 2016 OP
+1000000 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #1
. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #20
quite fitting nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #22
What was the civil rights lie? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #2
John Lewis saying he never met Sanders during that era. kracer20 Mar 2016 #32
John Lewis already clarified his comments Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #33
Of course you would say that, as you already had your mind made up passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #40
Thank you, passiveporcupine, for the truth. nt Duval Mar 2016 #67
You got it, thanks. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #75
it's the details that tell the truth. pangaia Mar 2016 #79
How come the minute details of Hillary's Civil Rights lie are so important... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #45
wink wink, nod nod n/t passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #71
Her message was not that he voted against TARP Rilgin Mar 2016 #38
"He Was Against the Auto Bailout". ---> Hillary's Own Words gordyfl Mar 2016 #73
That woman just makes me want to throw up. pangaia Mar 2016 #82
Bernie voted against banks getting bailed out with taxpayer money RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #96
I'm a big believer in karma NWCorona Mar 2016 #3
Me too. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #6
Yup! NWCorona Mar 2016 #7
Yep. H2O Man Mar 2016 #44
so am I! eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #97
nt Gwhittey Mar 2016 #4
nt FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #8
I surmise all Hilary supporters absolutely LOVE these Karl Rove tactics because they are soo Hilary! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #5
It's the ends justifies the means type of thinking that NWCorona Mar 2016 #14
Winning by any means, at any cost. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #76
Strategically timed distortion bombs marions ghost Mar 2016 #81
If, for a moment, I thought she would use the same maneuvers against Republicans? MAYBE. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #89
That does seem to be the case marions ghost Mar 2016 #90
Nope Scootaloo Mar 2016 #92
That seems crystal clear to me marions ghost Mar 2016 #93
Here's how it goes. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #94
Ha ha yeah marions ghost Mar 2016 #95
and yet we will be expected to join ranks if she wins the nomination. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #15
What a horrible thing to do to Mr. Rogers! MineralMan Mar 2016 #9
Ha! Context matters! randome Mar 2016 #36
I like Mr. Rogers. He's a good, decent man who has MineralMan Mar 2016 #39
They swiftboated him on civil rights. Assholes one and all. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #10
Actually Bernie swiftboated himself. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #11
Bullshit. It was an orchestrated attack that started the day after he announced his candidacy. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #23
Truth. It still matters (to some). AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #26
I've always been fond of Run the Jewels. Svafa Mar 2016 #35
FYI he earned his nickname by 'killing' the microphone during rap battles [nt] Coincidence Mar 2016 #47
WOW !!!!!!!!!! That's all I can say.... pangaia Mar 2016 #83
Actually Bernie swiftboated himself. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #48
... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #12
Yep...I'm starting to wonder if that was staged as well passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #49
You have to admire their ability to orchestrate seemingly disparate events. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #84
K&R disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #13
And it worked SO WELL for her in '08! She would've gotten away with it too... AzDar Mar 2016 #17
And the fact that it's hard to swiftboat a black guy NWCorona Mar 2016 #21
As was the auto industry lie before the Michigan primary. FourScore Mar 2016 #18
And the 20 year old "super predator" story was recycled by oasis Mar 2016 #19
So a lie about Sanders and the truth about Hillary are equally bad. Well done. JoeyT Mar 2016 #37
When the gloves come off, anything goes. nt oasis Mar 2016 #46
When the gloves come off... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #50
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #53
And it's a distraction from her TRADE DEALS. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #24
DU Rec. SixString Mar 2016 #25
I would feel like a total sh*t if I had to lie my way into the WH. Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #27
THAT is what makes Bernie different. pangaia Mar 2016 #85
It's her main gig pinebox Mar 2016 #28
That's a keeper. CentralMass Mar 2016 #104
I'm getting pretty mad here. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #29
I am personally mad today about the new server reporting... grasswire Mar 2016 #31
OK, aside from the whole election thing going on, Karma13612 Mar 2016 #98
Well, credit where credit is due. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #99
Hmmmm, interesting! Thanks for this👍 Karma13612 Mar 2016 #103
Ironically I think the state eventually gets the message after the primary. PatrynXX Mar 2016 #30
What civil rights strength? frazzled Mar 2016 #34
Less than interesting deflection: C- FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #51
Oh, we're grading? frazzled Mar 2016 #52
I give him a D BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #62
Sanders as Mayor LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #54
What does any of that have to do with civil rights credibility? frazzled Mar 2016 #61
Like a good trooper, you keep changing the subject by deflecting from the issue - Hillary lying FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #63
Um, it seems to me you are the one deflecting frazzled Mar 2016 #66
How about Hillary's early civil rights cred when she fought ACORN who was fighting for poor blacks LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #68
Hillary Clinton and her surrogates set up a lie with their allies in the media FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #55
Well done! H2O Man Mar 2016 #41
Thanks FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #70
You have solid H2O Man Mar 2016 #72
What else is a candidate who stands for nothing supposed to do? fbc Mar 2016 #42
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #43
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! eom Enthusiast Mar 2016 #56
"Wolf, wolf......" Hill and her liars should remember that if jwirr Mar 2016 #57
That's it in a nutshell. Broward Mar 2016 #58
Most undemocratic. Octafish Mar 2016 #59
K&R. Hillary, if nominated, will trip on that slime in November. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #60
She is all those things, and I speak as a former, vigilant defender of the Clinton's. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #65
I would hope African American church leaders which have historically strong connections to Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #64
And all those low information voters were duped pdsimdars Mar 2016 #69
Roving a fellow Democrat. blackspade Mar 2016 #74
Feb 11 tblue Mar 2016 #77
When I think of John Lewis now, I think of him cricking his neck to the side FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #80
Won't...you be...my neighbor. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #78
I'm voting for the candidate with a conscience. pangaia Mar 2016 #86
Coincidence, I'm sure. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #87
The Nevada nonsense was in the leadup to Texas Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #88
They despise Sanders for ruining the coronation amborin Mar 2016 #91
Looks like the people of Michigan are rejecting the lies. tabasco Mar 2016 #100
^^^ booyah desmiller Mar 2016 #101
5 point lead!!! This is GREAT! FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #102
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. What was the civil rights lie?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

Also, the auto bailout thing wasn't a lie.

Bernie voted against TARP. Included in those funds were auto bailout funds.

kracer20

(199 posts)
32. John Lewis saying he never met Sanders during that era.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

Then ending it saying but I did meet Clinton when his own book said he didn't meet them until some time in the 80's I think.

Edited to add-->Also all the baloney about the person in the pictures not being Sanders.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
33. John Lewis already clarified his comments
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

The picture thing doesn't make a difference one way or another. Also, the Hillary campaign didn't mention anything about the pictures. Those were some columnists and people on the internet.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. Of course you would say that, as you already had your mind made up
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

but what about people who had not yet made up their minds and then were fed this info about Bernie not really being "real" on civil rights.

and the auto bailout thing is garbage. Nobody should have voted for the billions we threw away on the banks and wall street without any way to make sure it was used properly...and most of it wasn't. And that is what Bernie objected to...money from middle class Americans...tons of money being given to wall street with no accountability. Much of it was used to make the banks bigger and for CEO bonuses and or just sat in the bank, rather than being used to lend, which was it's purpose.

He was right in that vote and it had "NOTHING" to do with his support for the Auto industry. And it's disingenuous to pretend it did.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
45. How come the minute details of Hillary's Civil Rights lie are so important...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

.... but the details about the TARP vote aren't?

Rilgin

(787 posts)
38. Her message was not that he voted against TARP
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

TARP was the The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

It was about the financial industry with various riders. Many of us Democrats and a lot of the general public was against TARP because it was a financial bailout that didnt change anything about the financial industry.

Hillary's whole attack (conveniently made in Michigan) was that Bernie was against an automobile industry bailout. this was an outright lie, he was against the TARP bill. She and you know this and its a totally disingenuous and like most of Hillary's politics unforgivable except for people who like politics to be about lying about your opponent.

So please explain how you would respond to the same logic on Hillary and understand unlike your candidate this is an exercise in explanation. I do not believe it she was against increasing the federal minimum wage or Katrina but you could base a claim on the following vote the same way Hillary made her disgraceful attack on Bernie.

Hillary Clinton voted against HR 2206 - Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 - Key Vote. It contained appropriations for Katrina Aid and increased the Federal Minimum Wage as riders. I am sure she had reasons to vote against it but it included things she claims she is for and she voted "nay".

http://votesmart.org/bill/4163/12952/55463/emergency-departmental-supplemental-appropriations-bill-of-2007#12952

Like Tarp, the good things were the icing to try to get votes on something that was generally objectionable. So was Hillary against Katrina Aid and against an increase in the Minimum Wage or was she against the rest of the Bill? If we started an attack on Hillary which claimed she was against increasing the Minimum Wage and against Katrina would you not think this was disingenuous and a lie?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
82. That woman just makes me want to throw up.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016


I won't even ASK how a human being can stand there and lie and distort like that.
I know how.


 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
96. Bernie voted against banks getting bailed out with taxpayer money
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

The auto bailout came later.
As far as the civil rights lie, didn't someone say that they didn't see Bernie, but they did see Billy Ray Joe Bob Clinton, and Hillary Clinton? That was to imply that Bernie had nothing to do with civil rights in the 60s.
There are the lies!

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
14. It's the ends justifies the means type of thinking that
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

Permeates the Clinton campaign. Brock being chief example.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
89. If, for a moment, I thought she would use the same maneuvers against Republicans? MAYBE.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

But no. She's all about that "Warm Purple Space" with Republicans, while doing everything she possibly can to drive the left out of her own party.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
90. That does seem to be the case
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

---and they want Sanders supporters to come around to her at some point?.....?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
94. Here's how it goes.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016
Scenario one, Hillary is the nominee and loses: "God damn the left for not voting in droves for her! We need to move to the right to show them what!"

Scenario two, Hilalry is the nominee and wins: "Hah hah! Loser leftists, we dodn't need your asses anyway! We're moving to the right because it's what the party wants!"

Scenario three, Sanders is the nominee and loses: "Well, that's the end of the Left! we have to move back to the right!"

Scenario four, Sanders is the nominee and wins: "he would have never won without centrists like us, we need to move the party to the right to reflect this!"
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. Ha! Context matters!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
[/center][/font][hr]

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
39. I like Mr. Rogers. He's a good, decent man who has
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

helped kids in many ways. I hate to see his image used in this way. It was a brief moment in singing a song about fingers to small children who were just learning about their own fingers.

I wish people would never use that image in such an insulting way.

Just my opinion.

Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #16)

Svafa

(594 posts)
35. I've always been fond of Run the Jewels.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

They did a show here shortly after all of the Ferguson stuff, and they and the crowd broke out into chants of "Hands up/Don't shoot." It was very powerful. Regardless of one's stage name, I like it when artists become engaged and involved with justice movements and politics. I guess when it comes to music though, taste is subjective, but I quite enjoy alternative hip hop.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
48. Actually Bernie swiftboated himself.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
Mar 2016

No. You are 100% wrong.

The GOP started it with the "VT is all white" smear last summer.

Naturally Hillary picked right up on it. Her surrogates lied about Sanders involvement in civil rights at the opportune moment.

And low-info...and uniformed voters voted against their own self interest.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
12. ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

The Huerta event happened right as Hillary was on her way in to campaign in Texas, with its high Latino demographic. No, I am really trying/have tried, but I don't believe in coincidences anymore. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
49. Yep...I'm starting to wonder if that was staged as well
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

But I don't want to believe it. I think it was just a result of her being pro Hillary, so she incorrectly perceived what she heard. The Hill camp sure jumped the shark with that one.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
17. And it worked SO WELL for her in '08! She would've gotten away with it too...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

If not for that pesky Democratic Socialist... (and his dog)

oasis

(49,326 posts)
19. And the 20 year old "super predator" story was recycled by
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's campaign. Politics ain't beanbags.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
50. When the gloves come off...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

....film of someone actually saying something they actually said is still not the same as lying about things and distortions about complicated bills and why they were voted on the way they were.

Try to understand the difference.

Response to AlbertCat (Reply #50)

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
24. And it's a distraction from her TRADE DEALS.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

People in that area know what those trade deals did to them.

They need to know that of course she will push to get the latest one passed. She'd do it just to get the pats on the back from her pals, the super-wealthy. But I'm sure some nice payoffs will go with it too.

Bernie has argued against these trade deals since the first one. He was right in everything he predicted about them, even though voters ignored him and elected those who used free trade to take their jobs away. Elections do have consequences, as those in Michigan and neighboring states should know.

If they don't know by now, they really are totally screwed this time.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
29. I'm getting pretty mad here.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

Did you know the Cook County Democratic Party omitted Bernie from their sample ballot??????

That's a maggoty bunch of partisan filth. Here's the website: http://www.cookcountydems.com/candidates.htm

The ROVIAN RATFUCKING continues.


grasswire

(50,130 posts)
31. I am personally mad today about the new server reporting...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

....showing how deeply in jeopardy Hillary is, despite all her posing and denials.

Karma13612

(4,541 posts)
98. OK, aside from the whole election thing going on,
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

that is one scary picture.

Seriously good detail.

Kudos to the artist....

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
30. Ironically I think the state eventually gets the message after the primary.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

Which if she gets it will offer her little in way of any votes. Really need something callled the New Liberal Democratic party

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
34. What civil rights strength?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

We know he did a few things as a college student: went to a fair housing march and went to the March on Washington. All well and good (though not out of the ordinary.) But then he went to Vermont for fifty years, where the most I've gotten from anyone is that a multicultural center supports him.

Compare that to a continued history of working across the years with and for organizations involved in continuing civil rights issues. People who have met you and/or know your efforts.

People are making their decisions of their own accord. I can assure you that 98.5% of Americans have never heard of the photo flap. It's entirely insignificant and hasn't swayed a thing. People's preferences should be respected. They're the people. And they don't always agree with you. But that's okay. Their opinions matter too.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
52. Oh, we're grading?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:26 PM
Mar 2016

Okay, I give your response a D- (maybe an F+).

Jayzus, people. This is not high school.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
54. Sanders as Mayor
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders was reelected three times, defeating both Democratic and Republican candidates. He received 53% of the vote in 1983 and 55% in 1985.[55] In his final run for mayor in 1987, Sanders defeated Paul Lafayette, a Democrat endorsed by both major parties.[56]

During his mayoralty, Sanders called himself a socialist and was so described in the press.[57][58] During his first term, his supporters, including the first Citizens Party City Councilor Terry Bouricius, formed the Progressive Coalition, the forerunner of the Vermont Progressive Party.[59] The Progressives never held more than six seats on the 13-member city council, but they had enough to keep the council from overriding Sanders's vetoes. Under Sanders, Burlington became the first city in the country to fund community-trust housing.[60]

During the 1980s, Sanders was a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy in Latin America.[61] In 1985, Burlington City Hall hosted a foreign policy speech by Noam Chomsky. In his introduction, Sanders praised Chomsky as "a very vocal and important voice in the wilderness of intellectual life in America" and said he was "delighted to welcome a person who I think we're all very proud of."[62][63]

Sanders's administration balanced the city budget and drew a minor league baseball team, the Vermont Reds, then the Double-A affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds, to Burlington.[12] Under his leadership, Burlington sued the local television cable franchise, winning reduced rates for customers.[12]

As mayor, Sanders led extensive downtown revitalization projects. One of his signature achievements was the improvement of Burlington's Lake Champlain waterfront.[12] In 1981, Sanders campaigned against the unpopular plans by Burlington developer Tony Pomerleau to convert the then-industrial[64] waterfront property owned by the Central Vermont Railway into expensive condominiums, hotels, and offices.[65] Sanders ran under the slogan "Burlington is not for sale" and successfully supported a plan that redeveloped the waterfront area into a mixed-use district featuring housing, parks, and public space.[65] Today, the waterfront area includes many parks and miles of public beach and bike paths, a boathouse, and a science center.[65]

Sanders hosted and produced a public-access television program, Bernie Speaks with the Community, from 1986 to 1988.[66][67] He collaborated with 30 Vermont musicians to record a folk album, We Shall Overcome, in 1987.[68][69]

In 1986, Sanders unsuccessfully challenged incumbent Governor Madeleine Kunin (D) in her run for reelection. Running as an Independent, Sanders finished in 3rd place with 14.4% of the vote. Kunin won with 47%, followed by Lt. Governor Peter P. Smith (R) with 38%.

In 1987, U.S. News & World Report ranked Sanders as one of America's best mayors.[70] Today, Burlington is regarded as one of the most livable cities in the nation.[71][72]

After serving four two-year terms, Sanders chose not to seek reelection in 1989. He briefly taught political science at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government that year and at Hamilton College in 1991.[73]

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
61. What does any of that have to do with civil rights credibility?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

I might also say that Burlington, VT does not even appear on the list of 297 US cities by population. It's a pretty tiny place, and tinier back then probably. So while I'm sure he was a good mayor, I don't see that as providing a lot of proof for running a diverse country of 300 million people. And it has zero to do with the civil rights issues we are discussing. Even today, Burlington has an African-American population of 3.8% and a Latino population of 2.8%. (Compare that to the city in which I live, which has 30% each of Black and Hispanic residents.)

I am just trying to explain why some voters, especially African American voters, were never buying into Sanders on the basis of his civil rights record, which is simply not broad enough to count.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
63. Like a good trooper, you keep changing the subject by deflecting from the issue - Hillary lying
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

You see it as an opportunity to continue to push fear, uncertainty and doubt. The ISSUE being discussed in this thread is how Hillary uses lies to smear an opponent, just like Ham Rove. What are your thought on THAT issue?

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
68. How about Hillary's early civil rights cred when she fought ACORN who was fighting for poor blacks
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

Arkansas ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), a membership organization of low and modern income families founded in Little Rock on June 18, 1970 had been leading the fights at the Public Service Commission to halt inflationary increases in utility costs for gas, telephone, and electricity that were hammering their members. ACORN had made some progress but much of their success had been in whittling down huge proposed increases, which even in “victory,” still meant higher bills for their members. Finally, they struck upon a strategy of advocating a “lifeline” rate that would freeze the costs for the first 400 kilowatts of electricity at a fixed level so that lower income families would always be able to afford basic utilities in their homes. By getting a valid number of signatures for an initiated petition ACORN could put the issue on the ballot and if the voters agreed, enact lifeline rates.

Similar petitions were filed by ACORN members in Fayetteville, Fort Smith, Hot Springs, and Pine Bluff, but due to legal challenges and adverse court decisions blocking the vote, only the Little Rock measure was approved for the ballot. ACORN waged an extensive campaign for approval that involved going door-to-door throughout eastern, central and southwestern Little Rock. In the last few weeks of the campaign, the utility company, particularly Arkansas Power & Light (AP&L), now Entergy, dumped tens of thousands of dollars in advertisements on television and radio in an effort to have voters reject the initiative. Despite everything, ACORN won the election with voters approving lifeline rates by a significant majority. Later court challenges by AP&L and a rural electric cooperative claimed that the cooperative had some dozen or so customers within Little Rock city limits and no large customers, whose rates would increase to compensate for the equalizing of rates which established lifeline rates, thereby making it confiscatory. The case for the utilities was famously handled by Webb Hubbell, who later became Mayor of Little Rock, and Hilary Rodham, who later as Hilary Rodham Clinton, became a United States Senator from New York, Secretary of State, and a candidate for President in addition to being First Lady while Bill Clinton was President of the United States.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
55. Hillary Clinton and her surrogates set up a lie with their allies in the media
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

by claiming that Bernie was lying about his involvement and that photographic evidence was invalid. A bona fide ratfucking maneuver. And you come back with "he moved to Vermont". So quit complaining or you might get your C- lowered.

You know who knows Hillary and has worked with her, Marion Wright Edelman. Ask her what she thinks.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
70. Thanks
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

I appreciate your comment. I get so fed with our side doing this stuff against ourselves. Hope all is well with you Mr. Waterman.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
72. You have solid
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

communication skills .....something I am confident that you've heard before. I admire your direct approach. And I am hoping that you put those skills to use beyond this forum ....because it is people like yourself that can breath new life into our party.

(I'm doing pretty okay for a man my age, I think. I still check the obits daily, to make sure I'm still above ground, though!)

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
42. What else is a candidate who stands for nothing supposed to do?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

Corporate money and dirty campaigning is all she really has.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
57. "Wolf, wolf......" Hill and her liars should remember that if
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

you lie too often people start expecting everything you say to be a lie. But then she may already be too late.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
60. K&R. Hillary, if nominated, will trip on that slime in November.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

Not voting for Gore in 2000 was kind of incomprehensible to me. He seemed like he would make a decent, honest president at the time.

The same cannot be said of Hillary and her crew. They spread lies.

I will vote for all the other Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary should she be the nominee. I do not trust her.

She does not play fair.

She is vindictive.

Democrats should not lie and should not stretch the truth.

Democrats should negotiate fiercely for ordinary Americans and not give in so easily to the wealthy and powerful.

Uncle Joe

(58,282 posts)
64. I would hope African American church leaders which have historically strong connections to
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

the Clintons would take note of the these slanders against Bernie and recognize the Clintons for what they are.

Thanks for the thread, FlatBaroque.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
69. And all those low information voters were duped
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

by those smears.
I wonder how long it will take for other people to know smears and lies when they see them and look just a bit below the surface.
Fooled again.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
77. Feb 11
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

Capehart, Lewis, CBCPAC

Yes it was all planned by the HC campaign. I'll never forget that day. I literally cried.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
80. When I think of John Lewis now, I think of him cricking his neck to the side
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

and say "I never met him". He ruined his legacy for many, many people. How many more good people will lose their honor in service of Clinton, Inc.?

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
87. Coincidence, I'm sure.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

I guess this is what happens when only one of the two candidates says they intend to avoid running a negative campaign. It does put Bernie at a disadvantage.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
88. The Nevada nonsense was in the leadup to Texas
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

You have Bill campaigning in polling stations in MA

Can't wait to see what steaming turds are about to be slung for Florida and New York.

Does her campaign think that this shit isn't going to hamper turnout if she ends up buying the nomination?

 

tabasco

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100. Looks like the people of Michigan are rejecting the lies.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

The people of South Carolina need to wise up -- a LOT.

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